"And please cut the fanboy crap. AMD makes good CPUs in their price points. They don't play with Intel at the high end in the desktop but then I don't know many people that pay $1000+ for a desktop CPU." I simply said that they make good CPUs at their price points and they do. The new APUs combine a good graphics chip with the CPU. The I3 and I5 are better CPUs with a pretty crummy GPU. Also that chart is only CPU performance and doesn't take into account the GPU. At this point when looking at systems I feel that one should look at CPU and GPU together. Today we do not often benchmark integer and floating point separately it doesn't make a lot of sense to just look at the CPU alone.
They do need help but EM is not their problem. These people are really sick but it is not EMR causing it. Nobody tell her but she is getting hit by much higher levels of EMR from those lamps and the sun than Wifi would ever exposer her too. What is worse is she is getting hit with a lot more ionzing radiation there in WV with all that Granite around her. At some point it is just so sad for these poor people.
Well on a modern system that should be off-loaded to the GPU. Even then I would bet that a Sandy-Bridge i3 or i5 would be more than good enough for that task. You sure don't need a quad core i7 for that.
Get an SSD and more ram. Even then unless you are writing giant modules which are you are not supposed to do you will not need to wait more than a minute to compile. After all you only compile the module you are working on. I use a Core2 and my compile times are well under a minute. Now if I do a clean and build it is longer but no one does that often.
Umm... Just about any CPU will run for 5 plus years. Depending on what you are using your PC for just about any CPU you get from Intel or AMD will do that for. And if this CPU will handle this level of abuse odds are that it will last for a very long time on your desktop system.
Okay excluding the L33T gamers, super heavy CAD users, HD video producers, Movie F/X houses, and research labs no one needs the power of Intel's high end desktop chips. Frankly some of those users like the video and science users do most of their stuff on the server CPUs anyway.
Impractical... Well yes today but I thought the same thing when I heard about Intel running a cpu at 100 mhz with ln2 cooling back in the 80s. Of course that was when we thought an 8 Mhz system was fast. They where getting 5 mhz on air so that is of interest to the normal enthusiast community. What this really shows is that the new core is both fast and has a lot of head room built in. The old record was held by an Intel CedarMill core. It does look as if the Bulldozer will be interesting. And please cut the fanboy crap. AMD makes good CPUs in their price points. They don't play with Intel at the high end in the desktop but then I don't know many people that pay $1000+ for a desktop CPU.
Ahh no. The FPU was integrated in the 486DX you could get a cheap 486SX that didn't have an FPU because heck who needed one except for CAD users. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87 For the history of the x87 family. 10 years? Naw I give it five max. Once APUs can play games at 1080p with all the eye candy almost no one will buy a separate GPU. They day that they can driver two 1080p displays at that level it will be all over.
As I said reactors do not scale down as well. The Topaz reactor that the USSR flew does a bit better. The GPHS-RTG that Cassini uses makes around 500W for a mass of 57Kg. Topaz made 5KW or ten times the power for a mass of 370Kg So with Topaz one you have a better power output to weight than with the GPHS-RTG. So if you need more power but for a short period of time a reactor is a better solution at about 5KW of output. As I said reactors do not scale down well and RTGs do not scale up very well. Oh and SNAP-10a is early 1960s tech, Topaz is 1980s tech. I have no idea what the specks on a modern system wold be like.
Is it built in at the board level or is it still an add in card. When you think about it such a device would be painfully simple. just take any microcontroller on the marketed and have it emulate a UART, VGA, and PS/2 ports and then add a network port. If you set it up to use POE then the BMC would run even if the server didn't have power and could at least sound an alarm about a power fault for that machine.
You already can. The ice cream and strawberries are available at any camping supply store often including Walmart. I am willing to bet at least a good bit of the space food is just camping food. If you want to eat like an Astronaut just got to the camping section of your local Walmart.
You can have KVM over IP or serial over LAN for a server. You could even use a good old fashioned UART which would be as convenient as a USB port and and video port. Truth is that the average sever should have as much use for a video system as a submarine has for a screen door.
As to why not just a processor, ram and Gig-e ports? Simple computers are not that simple anymore. A modern X86 cpu needs and chipset to interface that ram and network adaptor and the rest is economics. If you are going to make a chip set you might as well have it support PCI-e, USB, and SATA so it can be used in as many configurations as possible. The more you make the less they cost and the more profit you make. They often include at least one UART, Parallel port, and often PS/2 ports. Those ports of often included just because they take next to no space on the chipset. Now just because those features on there doesn't mean you have to use them. Now for a google or facebook they may go as far as creating custom motherboards but I bet that they will use standard chipsets.
Chipsets don't have high end raid on them they have a software raid and if you are lucky a little but of help with XOR. The simple answer is because that is what is on the chip set and using a custom chip set with less will cost more. A lot of this stripping down is using desktop CPUs and chip sets instead of the server parts because they are cheaper . LSI cards? Nope they want two Giga-E ports. They don't use local disks they use SANs. I am sure at some point someone will come up with a server that just has a SD slot in the front for you to put the boot image on at some point.
ummm no. With P-238 you are using the radioactive decay, alpha I believe to create heat that you convert to electricity using a thermocouple. With a reactor you are actually fissioning uranium and are making a lot more power. The problem is that reactors do not scale down well. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/08/29/1337258/Developing-Nuclear-Power-Plant-Tech-For-the-Moon-and-Mars Is a link about using space based reactors. The US also flew some during the 60s as part of the SNAP project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_for_Nuclear_Auxiliary_Power You can not make a reactor that is as small as an RTG but as the power out put goes up their mass to power increases and beats an RTG.
You are correct it is just we have had more problems with versioning issues with TAPI and MAPI than I want to think about. I do agree with you about binary compatibility and that is a real issue with Linux IMHO but ARM will offer zero binary computability. In many ways Windows and Intel are really trapped by that backward compatibility. Windows won because it ran DOS programs well. Windows 95 won because it ran DOS and Windows Programs well. Nobody wanted to throw out their old software and start from scratch. Yes the majority of users did end up buy WIndows95+ software but they could pick and choose when to migrate. Every now and then we get calls from people using our DOS software even today looking for support. That is their trap. If windows breaks much software people will scream bloddy murder. They have to keep all that legacy junk for a very long time. Intel has the same issue. The Atom must support every x86 cpu back to the 8088! Heck I bet that you can run 286 code on it even though that cpu's ISA was terrible and just about no one used it as anything but a fast 8086! Intel might have a good mobile chip if they could just support the 64 bit mode and microsoft would have a really light and fast OS if they dropped all the old APIs they have stuck on it over the years. The problem is then they would have to compete with the established software bases of IOS, Android, and OS/X.
Okay how about this. Solar panels could kill Billions as a headline. Hey if we made enough of them and dropped them from a good height on to people they could. Let's always post what could happen in every headline shall we. France could attack Russia, hey it happened before. Nazis could take power in the next German elections. Or better yet Obama could order nation wide martial law and suspends elections.
Their is as much evidence of those happening as their was for a leak at that facility.
It is hard to tell if what Kevin Mitnick did in the past was harmless pranks or not. In his case from these replies he seems to have paid the price and is now acting like a responsible person. I do not think anybody needs to give him a hard time about the past anymore.
Frankly that is part of the LInux's problems. Two many APIs. The Kernel can scale well. Frankly modern mobile devices as super powerful. They are much more powerful than say a VAX11/780 that supported many people and ran VMS. The Linux/Unix/NT Kernel will run just fine on any mobile device. Where things go down hill are the API frameworks. Linux has API stacked on top of API. You have X windows, QT, GTK, OpenStep, and on and on. Android and WebOS took Linux and put their GUI/API on it and dumped all the rest of them. Those seem to work well. Windows is in much the same boat. The Windows API is a a huge mess of overlapping and redundant services. MAPI, TAPI, and now.net on top. That is the real strength of OS/X they do not have all that kuft. Yes you can install X if you must and you can use QT and or GTK but you do not have to. You can write really good apps with the native API with little pain. They took a sub set of the API and added some calls to make the IOS and that also works.
There is probably no kernel that can not be run on a mobile device today including VMS, OS/2, BeOS, Linux, Qnix, and or CTOS. The problem is getting a good API/UI on them and a good development system for them. Today the Kernels are almost trivial. There are a lot of good ones out there. It is the GUI and the API frameworks that really count. Oh and yes I know that Kernels do include some API calls and some of them like Windows incude large amounts of the UI however some like OS/X and Unixish OSs seem to divide them up.
"Rather a healthy skepticism about the words of a tarnished industry than a collective head in the sand blindly accepting the word of PR as truth. Sheesh. You're just as bad as those who insist on claiming the sky is falling all the time."
So make it up? Really? This is not skepticism this is out and out fabrication. No where in the linked article did it say that there was any risk of a leak. Everything said that there was no leak. The explosion was in an oven used to burn old coveralls and their are no reactors on the site! Sure be skeptical but do not make crap up.
Yes I am. This level of crap makes me crazy. Not to mention that Slashdot was my favorite site. While not perfect the community was actually much better behaved and reasonable than most other communities plus it was News For Nerds and did't have the crap spin that other sites had. Samzenpus who posted this should be let go for allowing such garbage on the front page. It isn't a human error but an intentional lie that was posted on the front page of Slashdot.
A no they didn't and by no they don't pollute. That power plant has not been run in probably more than a decade but it is still manned and just sits there. It is a running joke.
Freak, an oven exploded killing a working in the plant. There IS NO LEAK. THEY EXPECT NO LEAK. THEY DO NOT EXPECT A LEAK! FREAKING HECK PEOPLE!!!!! If this was a Lego factory no one would care. We had two workers die at my local power plant. They where putting giant snow flakes on the smoke stacks for Christmas! Really this is just to the point of being shameful. HOW BAD IS THIS TITLE! From the link in the story!!!!!!!!!! "There was no risk of a radioactive leak after the blast, caused by a fire near a furnace in the Centraco radioactive waste storage site, said officials." REALLY JUST SHUT DOWN SLASHDOT your are killing it with your abuse!
Yea because this airplane is soooo scary http://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.html#http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/images/arl_ARL.jpg||| There are some missions that you can not do with with a spy sat. The US at one time used converted bombers for this type of mission like the RB-29, RB-50, and RB-47. They later decided that a converted bomber was both scary and kind of cramped and start to use converted transports so that they would be less threatening. That is also why they are never armed. There is no real reason to get bent over these aircraft because they really are not threatening.
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"And please cut the fanboy crap. AMD makes good CPUs in their price points. They don't play with Intel at the high end in the desktop but then I don't know many people that pay $1000+ for a desktop CPU."
I simply said that they make good CPUs at their price points and they do. The new APUs combine a good graphics chip with the CPU. The I3 and I5 are better CPUs with a pretty crummy GPU.
Also that chart is only CPU performance and doesn't take into account the GPU. At this point when looking at systems I feel that one should look at CPU and GPU together. Today we do not often benchmark integer and floating point separately it doesn't make a lot of sense to just look at the CPU alone.
They do need help but EM is not their problem. These people are really sick but it is not EMR causing it.
Nobody tell her but she is getting hit by much higher levels of EMR from those lamps and the sun than Wifi would ever exposer her too. What is worse is she is getting hit with a lot more ionzing radiation there in WV with all that Granite around her.
At some point it is just so sad for these poor people.
Well on a modern system that should be off-loaded to the GPU. Even then I would bet that a Sandy-Bridge i3 or i5 would be more than good enough for that task. You sure don't need a quad core i7 for that.
Get an SSD and more ram.
Even then unless you are writing giant modules which are you are not supposed to do you will not need to wait more than a minute to compile. After all you only compile the module you are working on.
I use a Core2 and my compile times are well under a minute. Now if I do a clean and build it is longer but no one does that often.
Umm... Just about any CPU will run for 5 plus years. Depending on what you are using your PC for just about any CPU you get from Intel or AMD will do that for.
And if this CPU will handle this level of abuse odds are that it will last for a very long time on your desktop system.
Okay excluding the L33T gamers, super heavy CAD users, HD video producers, Movie F/X houses, and research labs no one needs the power of Intel's high end desktop chips. Frankly some of those users like the video and science users do most of their stuff on the server CPUs anyway.
Impractical... Well yes today but I thought the same thing when I heard about Intel running a cpu at 100 mhz with ln2 cooling back in the 80s. Of course that was when we thought an 8 Mhz system was fast. They where getting 5 mhz on air so that is of interest to the normal enthusiast community. What this really shows is that the new core is both fast and has a lot of head room built in. The old record was held by an Intel CedarMill core. It does look as if the Bulldozer will be interesting.
And please cut the fanboy crap. AMD makes good CPUs in their price points. They don't play with Intel at the high end in the desktop but then I don't know many people that pay $1000+ for a desktop CPU.
Ahh no.
The FPU was integrated in the 486DX you could get a cheap 486SX that didn't have an FPU because heck who needed one except for CAD users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X87
For the history of the x87 family.
10 years? Naw I give it five max. Once APUs can play games at 1080p with all the eye candy almost no one will buy a separate GPU. They day that they can driver two 1080p displays at that level it will be all over.
As I said reactors do not scale down as well.
The Topaz reactor that the USSR flew does a bit better.
The GPHS-RTG that Cassini uses makes around 500W for a mass of 57Kg.
Topaz made 5KW or ten times the power for a mass of 370Kg
So with Topaz one you have a better power output to weight than with the GPHS-RTG.
So if you need more power but for a short period of time a reactor is a better solution at about 5KW of output.
As I said reactors do not scale down well and RTGs do not scale up very well.
Oh and SNAP-10a is early 1960s tech, Topaz is 1980s tech. I have no idea what the specks on a modern system wold be like.
Is it built in at the board level or is it still an add in card. When you think about it such a device would be painfully simple. just take any microcontroller on the marketed and have it emulate a UART, VGA, and PS/2 ports and then add a network port. If you set it up to use POE then the BMC would run even if the server didn't have power and could at least sound an alarm about a power fault for that machine.
You already can. The ice cream and strawberries are available at any camping supply store often including Walmart. I am willing to bet at least a good bit of the space food is just camping food. If you want to eat like an Astronaut just got to the camping section of your local Walmart.
Good point about PXE. I don't think you are going to see a good sized x86 server that will run over POE anytime soon but it would be nice.
You can have KVM over IP or serial over LAN for a server. You could even use a good old fashioned UART which would be as convenient as a USB port and and video port. Truth is that the average sever should have as much use for a video system as a submarine has for a screen door.
As to why not just a processor, ram and Gig-e ports? Simple computers are not that simple anymore. A modern X86 cpu needs and chipset to interface that ram and network adaptor and the rest is economics.
If you are going to make a chip set you might as well have it support PCI-e, USB, and SATA so it can be used in as many configurations as possible. The more you make the less they cost and the more profit you make.
They often include at least one UART, Parallel port, and often PS/2 ports. Those ports of often included just because they take next to no space on the chipset. Now just because those features on there doesn't mean you have to use them. Now for a google or facebook they may go as far as creating custom motherboards but I bet that they will use standard chipsets.
Chipsets don't have high end raid on them they have a software raid and if you are lucky a little but of help with XOR.
The simple answer is because that is what is on the chip set and using a custom chip set with less will cost more.
A lot of this stripping down is using desktop CPUs and chip sets instead of the server parts because they are cheaper . LSI cards? Nope they want two Giga-E ports. They don't use local disks they use SANs.
I am sure at some point someone will come up with a server that just has a SD slot in the front for you to put the boot image on at some point.
Your are right. You can make RTGs the size of a coin. But the you can make reactors pretty dang small. The Snap-10a was only 600+ pounds.
ummm no.
With P-238 you are using the radioactive decay, alpha I believe to create heat that you convert to electricity using a thermocouple.
With a reactor you are actually fissioning uranium and are making a lot more power. The problem is that reactors do not scale down well. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/08/29/1337258/Developing-Nuclear-Power-Plant-Tech-For-the-Moon-and-Mars
Is a link about using space based reactors.
The US also flew some during the 60s as part of the SNAP project.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_for_Nuclear_Auxiliary_Power
You can not make a reactor that is as small as an RTG but as the power out put goes up their mass to power increases and beats an RTG.
You are correct it is just we have had more problems with versioning issues with TAPI and MAPI than I want to think about.
I do agree with you about binary compatibility and that is a real issue with Linux IMHO but ARM will offer zero binary computability.
In many ways Windows and Intel are really trapped by that backward compatibility. Windows won because it ran DOS programs well. Windows 95 won because it ran DOS and Windows Programs well. Nobody wanted to throw out their old software and start from scratch. Yes the majority of users did end up buy WIndows95+ software but they could pick and choose when to migrate. Every now and then we get calls from people using our DOS software even today looking for support.
That is their trap.
If windows breaks much software people will scream bloddy murder. They have to keep all that legacy junk for a very long time.
Intel has the same issue. The Atom must support every x86 cpu back to the 8088! Heck I bet that you can run 286 code on it even though that cpu's ISA was terrible and just about no one used it as anything but a fast 8086!
Intel might have a good mobile chip if they could just support the 64 bit mode and microsoft would have a really light and fast OS if they dropped all the old APIs they have stuck on it over the years.
The problem is then they would have to compete with the established software bases of IOS, Android, and OS/X.
Okay how about this. Solar panels could kill Billions as a headline.
Hey if we made enough of them and dropped them from a good height on to people they could. Let's always post what could happen in every headline shall we. France could attack Russia, hey it happened before. Nazis could take power in the next German elections. Or better yet Obama could order nation wide martial law and suspends elections.
Their is as much evidence of those happening as their was for a leak at that facility.
Well they edited the headline which is good. Now the question is will they learn from this or just do it again.
It is hard to tell if what Kevin Mitnick did in the past was harmless pranks or not. In his case from these replies he seems to have paid the price and is now acting like a responsible person. I do not think anybody needs to give him a hard time about the past anymore.
Frankly that is part of the LInux's problems. Two many APIs. .net on top.
The Kernel can scale well. Frankly modern mobile devices as super powerful. They are much more powerful than say a VAX11/780 that supported many people and ran VMS. The Linux/Unix/NT Kernel will run just fine on any mobile device. Where things go down hill are the API frameworks. Linux has API stacked on top of API. You have X windows, QT, GTK, OpenStep, and on and on. Android and WebOS took Linux and put their GUI/API on it and dumped all the rest of them. Those seem to work well.
Windows is in much the same boat. The Windows API is a a huge mess of overlapping and redundant services. MAPI, TAPI, and now
That is the real strength of OS/X they do not have all that kuft. Yes you can install X if you must and you can use QT and or GTK but you do not have to. You can write really good apps with the native API with little pain. They took a sub set of the API and added some calls to make the IOS and that also works.
There is probably no kernel that can not be run on a mobile device today including VMS, OS/2, BeOS, Linux, Qnix, and or CTOS. The problem is getting a good API/UI on them and a good development system for them.
Today the Kernels are almost trivial. There are a lot of good ones out there. It is the GUI and the API frameworks that really count.
Oh and yes I know that Kernels do include some API calls and some of them like Windows incude large amounts of the UI however some like OS/X and Unixish OSs seem to divide them up.
"Rather a healthy skepticism about the words of a tarnished industry than a collective head in the sand blindly accepting the word of PR as truth. Sheesh. You're just as bad as those who insist on claiming the sky is falling all the time."
So make it up?
Really?
This is not skepticism this is out and out fabrication. No where in the linked article did it say that there was any risk of a leak. Everything said that there was no leak.
The explosion was in an oven used to burn old coveralls and their are no reactors on the site!
Sure be skeptical but do not make crap up.
Yes I am. This level of crap makes me crazy. Not to mention that Slashdot was my favorite site. While not perfect the community was actually much better behaved and reasonable than most other communities plus it was News For Nerds and did't have the crap spin that other sites had.
Samzenpus who posted this should be let go for allowing such garbage on the front page. It isn't a human error but an intentional lie that was posted on the front page of Slashdot.
A no they didn't and by no they don't pollute.
That power plant has not been run in probably more than a decade but it is still manned and just sits there. It is a running joke.
Freak, an oven exploded killing a working in the plant. There IS NO LEAK. THEY EXPECT NO LEAK. THEY DO NOT EXPECT A LEAK!
FREAKING HECK PEOPLE!!!!!
If this was a Lego factory no one would care.
We had two workers die at my local power plant. They where putting giant snow flakes on the smoke stacks for Christmas! Really this is just to the point of being shameful.
HOW BAD IS THIS TITLE!
From the link in the story!!!!!!!!!!
"There was no risk of a radioactive leak after the blast, caused by a fire near a furnace in the Centraco radioactive waste storage site, said officials."
REALLY JUST SHUT DOWN SLASHDOT your are killing it with your abuse!
Yea because this airplane is soooo scary http://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml/jframe.html#http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/images/arl_ARL.jpg|||
There are some missions that you can not do with with a spy sat. The US at one time used converted bombers for this type of mission like the RB-29, RB-50, and RB-47. They later decided that a converted bomber was both scary and kind of cramped and start to use converted transports so that they would be less threatening. That is also why they are never armed. There is no real reason to get bent over these aircraft because they really are not threatening.