"Native executables is the only good way to go." Not really. 1..net using a VM with JIT compiler and seems to offer good performance. 2. Fat binaries. When you compile your code you have an option of making a fat binary. Microsoft could then make a smart installer that would strip the unneeded binary from the install. 3. Install time translation. You compile to a "perfect" ISA like.net and then when you install the code it compiles that to your ISA. IBM used that trick with the System 38, AS400, what ever they replaced the AS400 with. 4. VM with JIT compiler and cacheing. As the JIT compiler converts the VM ISA you cache it in a fork of the file next time you run it you use navtive code. 5. Partial compilation. Compile the code to the step before code generation. Do code generation at install. So you can see there are a number of ways Microsoft could have avoided messing this up. The fat binaries with a smart install is probably the one I would pick for end users. The code segments of most programs are small. It tends to be the data segments that take up all the space. Yes it will take a little longer to download the program or install it from the CD but once you do you get full speed and not take the extra space.
What is stopping it is that I do not think that Microsoft wants ARM to take over on the desktop as well as mobile. It gets hard to sell an $80 OS to run on a $200 device. It is even more difficult to sell a $300 Office package to run on an $199 device.
So you contribute green house gasses stop it! Do I really need to explain just how childish the statement just stop producing green house gasses is? I guess I do again. 1. To build solar, wind, nuclear, geo thermal, and I hope Polywell reactors to replace all the coal and natural gas fired plants will take decades. 2. To build a grid that can support even a good percentage of electric cars will also take at least a decade or two. 3. To developer electric cars that can be affordable and offer the range an recharge times that would be needed for at least 60% and to replace at least 60% of the population will take at least a decade or two. 4. China and India are not going to cut there output of greenhouse gasses anytime soon. Every cut the US and the EU make will be used up by new output from China and India for a good long time to come. We can not "just stop making them" for decades to come. So yes I made a joke reply to a childish comment. The sad thing is that most people didn't get the joke and didn't see just how childish and overly simplistic the "just stop making them" comment really was. I also skipped the details of how it really is the coal fired power plants that are the big problem vs cars which is what everyone targets. Natural gas fired plants are actually pretty frugal when you look at the carbon vs power but then you have the argument over fracking. So on and so on. In the end I stick with my original comment, of "you first". Yes if you have a huge bleeding wound the solution is to not cut yourself. If you are already bleeding then it is time for a bandage.
Really? Hey maybe he is right but over all I find the application of logic in the editorialization of Slashdot submissions to be lacking at best. "Mica is the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman and receives classified briefings on TSA. Perhaps we should trust him more than most people on this topic." And if he as all for keeping the TSA would you also say you should trust him more because of his insider info? I doubt it, I am sure that we would hear screams of "who is paying him off" or the Republicans want to take away your freedoms even more and so on. It is a dangerous thing when the test for trust is being told what you want to hear. It is an even more dangerous thing when you are sure that isn't happening.
Actually I do think that this is a good thing. The restrictions are too great, as is the innocence. The attacks that have been stopped have been stopped by people on the plane and good intelligence work.
Dude the early 80s called and wants it's prejudice back. The Evolution, Revolution, and Twin Cam engines are all good motors and really very oil tight from the factory. All of them use rubber motor mounts now and the big twins have used them for a long time. They even make on that I would like the XR1200 is actually a fun and cool bike and the touring bikes are also a good choice if one doesn't want the two wheel car called the Goldwing. I would have to check but I think that every Harley now comes with fuel injection now. The AMF Harleys sucked. A lot of Harley riders are just annoying. The bikes are actually pretty solid. I have no use for the people that like to play dress up but that isn't the bikes fault.
"The plot has parallels to events reported in news stories from April 1959, concerning a missing experimental CORONA satellite capsule (Discoverer II) that inadvertently landed near Spitsbergen, situated in the Arctic Ocean on April 13, which was believed to have been recovered by Soviet agents." The book was published in 1963 the first KH-7 was launched in July of 1963 so the math doesn't add up for the Gambit to be the satellite in the book.
Yes but the orignal poster probably did contribute green house gases with his post. Even if some of his power comes from renewables some of that power on the grid was not. So his using the power meant that someone else had to use power that made greenhouse gasses. My comment was meant to be a light hearted joke to what really was the 4th grade comment of "Just stop making them". I had in error made the assumption that people would understand that "just stop making them" is a childish oversimplification of the problem but I was wrong. 1. To build solar, wind, nuclear, geo thermal, and I hope Polywell reactors to replace all the coal and natural gas fired plants will take decades. 2. To build a grid that can support even a good percentage of electric cars will also take at least a decade or two. 3. To developer electric cars that can be affordable and offer the range an recharge times that would be needed for at least 60% of the population will take at least a decade or two. 4. China and India are not going to cut there output of greenhouse gasses anytime soon. Every cut the US and the EU make will be used up by new output from China and India for a good long time to come. We can not "just stop making them" for decades to come. So yes I made a joke reply to a childish comment. The sad thing is that most people didn't get the joke and didn't see just how childish and overly simplistic the "just stop making them" comment really was. I also skipped the details of how it really is the coal fired power plants that are the big problem vs cars which is what everyone targets. Natural gas fired plants are actually pretty frugal when you look at the carbon vs power but then you have the argument over fracking. So on and so on. In the end I stick with my original comment, of "you first".
I was thinking if it scales well it could be good for ships and subs. Convert vibrations into electricity vs heat. If they where good enough coat subs with them and have them harvest any sonar pings.
Yea I know they are probably not that good but it is fun to think about it.
Funny but do you realize that for road use an CBR1000RR, ZX10x, R1, or GSR1000 are actually less logical than a lot of Harley's. Harley's tend to be more comfortable and get better fuel milage than sports bikes. And in the US at least for street use the Harley is fast enough to get tossed in jail.
I am not a Harley riders btw I am more of a Sport touring, adventure touring, standard kinda rider.
Holly crap. Well what could possibly go wrong. Good heavens what a mess if you use IE this one on this machine it supports x if you use it that way on the same machine it doesn't freaking great consistent experience.
Yes it does but we have mature OSs that run current software. I have no problem with Linux or BSD but please not yet another Unix or Windows. As someone pointed out drivers are an issue and will be for a long time. They still are for Linux for that matter. Plan 9 is interesting as in Menuet but that is in Asm so it will be so none portable. Even Minix is interesting because of it's goal of self healing. As to "Its hard to write a mature OS" well that didn't stop Linux did it?
Let's seem some real risk taking and some PR for those that take the risks.
Naw just a sense of humor over a statement made by a person using a computer whose very creation involved making green house gasses, that uses power that is probably from a grid that produces green house gasses.
Many monitors now come with HDMI and just about every HDTV does. Maybe the will make a version with RGB in the future but for now HDMI is the correct choice IMHO. Composite means that any of those old TVs and or monitors will work just fine so you do have a source of old cheap displays to work with not to mention projectors and cheap LCD displays that are used in cars. Over all I think this will rock. IMHO it is in fact a modern Commodore 64 but even better.
Not really a modern saturn V would have been better. Why don't they use the F-1a upgraded engines they built and tested in the late 60s with a modern LiAl structure for the first stage? Get ride of the SRBs unless you want an even higher lift version. Heck you could even later develop a fly back first stage at some point in the future.
"And those are hard numbers, not NASA will go over-budget numbers." It hasn't flown yet so no those are not hard numbers. They may make those numbers but until it happens it is still just an estimate. A problem with all government projects is feature creep. Since no one really has to pay this group or that adds "Wouldn't it be nice ifs" all over the place. Sort of like software development.
The composite tank did fail but they came up with a lighter aluminum tank that did work. They killed the program anyway. Really it is called RnD. Research and Development. Sometimes things work some times they do not but you always are learning.
This is really just so dull. Okay we now have Linux, BSD filling in the free Unix and Unix like OS space. We have OS/X as the consumer Unix with a really nice UI+API added, and now we have Windows and maybe a Windows clone getting some traction. We are down to Unix and Windows still in the Os space. This just so dull. Why not support something different or new. Maybe an OS build on VMS with a good UI and graphics layer? Why not the haiku? Why not something new instead of let's make a clone of X.
I really want to believe that you are correct but I have dealt with government IT people before. This could be on the up and up, good lord help us all.
This has got to be a troll. I mean really setting up a cluster and you have no idea about the interconnects or GPUs? Not to mention cooling or power. I picture this being put together in a spare back room and walls of plastic shelving and APC UPSs from Best Buy. Who would fund such a thing. Here is the best of all suggestions if this is not a troll. FIND A VENDOR. http://www.linuxclusters.com/vendors.html
Good enough. I do not deal with big time servers much so thanks for the education. Now you are making want to add some remote management to my home servers. maybe when this comes out http://www.raspberrypi.org/ I can use it to do a little bit of home-brew server management With SPI, I2C, a UART, and a little GPIO I could tie in the reset switch, serial port, power switch and some sensors. Unless the bios supports redirecting the bios over serial it will be limited but for home use it should be a fun project and massive over kill.
Wow it is amazing some times what people read. "Yeah, because no-one will find a use for all the extra power that a discrete GPU would give you." I never said that at all. I said almost no one will buy a separate GPU. Notice that the word "almost" which means that some people still will. This issue here are economies of scale. Even today the majority of systems probably use integrated graphics. Most systems sold today are notebooks and most notebooks use IG. Throw in all the corporate desktops, school machines, and the average home users and I am willing to bet that most users already are using IG today. Now as you said most modern games are console ports. Do you see that changing? I sure don't anytime soon because that is where the money is right now. The game makers will all jump for joy once the average desktop and notebook can do good HD graphics. The can then have a good sized market on the PC to target. The end result will be as IG gets better and better the market for desecrate GPUs will get smaller and smaller. As the market gets smaller and smaller the costs will go up faster and faster for less and less gain. You will have the same situation that you have with audio today where a few people spend the money for a high end sound card but most people are very happy with the sound buit into the motherboard.
Really? Are you just nuts or kidding. Humans can not sense EM in the that range except by heating and that follows the inverse square law. I dare you to overlay a high bandwidth dissonance signal over a far ir source in the milliwatt range and have any human detect the difference!
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"Native executables is the only good way to go." .net using a VM with JIT compiler and seems to offer good performance. .net and then when you install the code it compiles that to your ISA. IBM used that trick with the System 38, AS400, what ever they replaced the AS400 with.
Not really.
1.
2. Fat binaries. When you compile your code you have an option of making a fat binary. Microsoft could then make a smart installer that would strip the unneeded binary from the install.
3. Install time translation. You compile to a "perfect" ISA like
4. VM with JIT compiler and cacheing. As the JIT compiler converts the VM ISA you cache it in a fork of the file next time you run it you use navtive code.
5. Partial compilation. Compile the code to the step before code generation. Do code generation at install.
So you can see there are a number of ways Microsoft could have avoided messing this up. The fat binaries with a smart install is probably the one I would pick for end users. The code segments of most programs are small. It tends to be the data segments that take up all the space. Yes it will take a little longer to download the program or install it from the CD but once you do you get full speed and not take the extra space.
What is stopping it is that I do not think that Microsoft wants ARM to take over on the desktop as well as mobile. It gets hard to sell an $80 OS to run on a $200 device. It is even more difficult to sell a $300 Office package to run on an $199 device.
So you contribute green house gasses stop it!
Do I really need to explain just how childish the statement just stop producing green house gasses is? I guess I do again.
1. To build solar, wind, nuclear, geo thermal, and I hope Polywell reactors to replace all the coal and natural gas fired plants will take decades.
2. To build a grid that can support even a good percentage of electric cars will also take at least a decade or two.
3. To developer electric cars that can be affordable and offer the range an recharge times that would be needed for at least 60% and to replace at least 60% of the population will take at least a decade or two.
4. China and India are not going to cut there output of greenhouse gasses anytime soon. Every cut the US and the EU make will be used up by new output from China and India for a good long time to come.
We can not "just stop making them" for decades to come.
So yes I made a joke reply to a childish comment. The sad thing is that most people didn't get the joke and didn't see just how childish and overly simplistic the "just stop making them" comment really was.
I also skipped the details of how it really is the coal fired power plants that are the big problem vs cars which is what everyone targets. Natural gas fired plants are actually pretty frugal when you look at the carbon vs power but then you have the argument over fracking. So on and so on.
In the end I stick with my original comment, of "you first".
Yes if you have a huge bleeding wound the solution is to not cut yourself. If you are already bleeding then it is time for a bandage.
Really? Hey maybe he is right but over all I find the application of logic in the editorialization of Slashdot submissions to be lacking at best.
"Mica is the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman and receives classified briefings on TSA. Perhaps we should trust him more than most people on this topic."
And if he as all for keeping the TSA would you also say you should trust him more because of his insider info? I doubt it, I am sure that we would hear screams of "who is paying him off" or the Republicans want to take away your freedoms even more and so on.
It is a dangerous thing when the test for trust is being told what you want to hear. It is an even more dangerous thing when you are sure that isn't happening.
Actually I do think that this is a good thing. The restrictions are too great, as is the innocence. The attacks that have been stopped have been stopped by people on the plane and good intelligence work.
Dude the early 80s called and wants it's prejudice back.
The Evolution, Revolution, and Twin Cam engines are all good motors and really very oil tight from the factory. All of them use rubber motor mounts now and the big twins have used them for a long time.
They even make on that I would like the XR1200 is actually a fun and cool bike and the touring bikes are also a good choice if one doesn't want the two wheel car called the Goldwing. I would have to check but I think that every Harley now comes with fuel injection now.
The AMF Harleys sucked. A lot of Harley riders are just annoying. The bikes are actually pretty solid. I have no use for the people that like to play dress up but that isn't the bikes fault.
"The plot has parallels to events reported in news stories from April 1959, concerning a missing experimental CORONA satellite capsule (Discoverer II) that inadvertently landed near Spitsbergen, situated in the Arctic Ocean on April 13, which was believed to have been recovered by Soviet agents."
The book was published in 1963 the first KH-7 was launched in July of 1963 so the math doesn't add up for the Gambit to be the satellite in the book.
Dude you can not take reason with the an unquestioning true believer.
You do not have to support end users. The same people that can not send a small file in email, or use the lost password function on a website.
Yes but the orignal poster probably did contribute green house gases with his post. Even if some of his power comes from renewables some of that power on the grid was not. So his using the power meant that someone else had to use power that made greenhouse gasses.
My comment was meant to be a light hearted joke to what really was the 4th grade comment of "Just stop making them".
I had in error made the assumption that people would understand that "just stop making them" is a childish oversimplification of the problem but I was wrong.
1. To build solar, wind, nuclear, geo thermal, and I hope Polywell reactors to replace all the coal and natural gas fired plants will take decades.
2. To build a grid that can support even a good percentage of electric cars will also take at least a decade or two.
3. To developer electric cars that can be affordable and offer the range an recharge times that would be needed for at least 60% of the population will take at least a decade or two.
4. China and India are not going to cut there output of greenhouse gasses anytime soon. Every cut the US and the EU make will be used up by new output from China and India for a good long time to come.
We can not "just stop making them" for decades to come.
So yes I made a joke reply to a childish comment. The sad thing is that most people didn't get the joke and didn't see just how childish and overly simplistic the "just stop making them" comment really was.
I also skipped the details of how it really is the coal fired power plants that are the big problem vs cars which is what everyone targets. Natural gas fired plants are actually pretty frugal when you look at the carbon vs power but then you have the argument over fracking. So on and so on.
In the end I stick with my original comment, of "you first".
I was thinking if it scales well it could be good for ships and subs. Convert vibrations into electricity vs heat. If they where good enough coat subs with them and have them harvest any sonar pings.
Yea I know they are probably not that good but it is fun to think about it.
Funny but do you realize that for road use an CBR1000RR, ZX10x, R1, or GSR1000 are actually less logical than a lot of Harley's.
Harley's tend to be more comfortable and get better fuel milage than sports bikes. And in the US at least for street use the Harley is fast enough to get tossed in jail.
I am not a Harley riders btw I am more of a Sport touring, adventure touring, standard kinda rider.
Holly crap. Well what could possibly go wrong. Good heavens what a mess if you use IE this one on this machine it supports x if you use it that way on the same machine it doesn't freaking great consistent experience.
Yes it does but we have mature OSs that run current software. I have no problem with Linux or BSD but please not yet another Unix or Windows.
As someone pointed out drivers are an issue and will be for a long time. They still are for Linux for that matter.
Plan 9 is interesting as in Menuet but that is in Asm so it will be so none portable. Even Minix is interesting because of it's goal of self healing.
As to "Its hard to write a mature OS" well that didn't stop Linux did it?
Let's seem some real risk taking and some PR for those that take the risks.
Naw it is inexpensive. The BBC micro was not. Very good machine mind you and I wanted one at the time but a little pricy compared to the C64
Naw just a sense of humor over a statement made by a person using a computer whose very creation involved making green house gasses, that uses power that is probably from a grid that produces green house gasses.
"The solution to greenhouse gas is to STOP PRODUCING THE STUFF."
You first.
Many monitors now come with HDMI and just about every HDTV does. Maybe the will make a version with RGB in the future but for now HDMI is the correct choice IMHO.
Composite means that any of those old TVs and or monitors will work just fine so you do have a source of old cheap displays to work with not to mention projectors and cheap LCD displays that are used in cars.
Over all I think this will rock. IMHO it is in fact a modern Commodore 64 but even better.
Not really a modern saturn V would have been better.
Why don't they use the F-1a upgraded engines they built and tested in the late 60s with a modern LiAl structure for the first stage? Get ride of the SRBs unless you want an even higher lift version. Heck you could even later develop a fly back first stage at some point in the future.
"And those are hard numbers, not NASA will go over-budget numbers."
It hasn't flown yet so no those are not hard numbers. They may make those numbers but until it happens it is still just an estimate. A problem with all government projects is feature creep. Since no one really has to pay this group or that adds "Wouldn't it be nice ifs" all over the place. Sort of like software development.
The composite tank did fail but they came up with a lighter aluminum tank that did work. They killed the program anyway. Really it is called RnD. Research and Development. Sometimes things work some times they do not but you always are learning.
This is really just so dull. Okay we now have Linux, BSD filling in the free Unix and Unix like OS space. We have OS/X as the consumer Unix with a really nice UI+API added, and now we have Windows and maybe a Windows clone getting some traction.
We are down to Unix and Windows still in the Os space.
This just so dull. Why not support something different or new. Maybe an OS build on VMS with a good UI and graphics layer? Why not the haiku?
Why not something new instead of let's make a clone of X.
I really want to believe that you are correct but I have dealt with government IT people before. This could be on the up and up, good lord help us all.
This has got to be a troll. I mean really setting up a cluster and you have no idea about the interconnects or GPUs? Not to mention cooling or power. I picture this being put together in a spare back room and walls of plastic shelving and APC UPSs from Best Buy.
Who would fund such a thing.
Here is the best of all suggestions if this is not a troll. FIND A VENDOR. http://www.linuxclusters.com/vendors.html
Good enough. I do not deal with big time servers much so thanks for the education.
Now you are making want to add some remote management to my home servers.
maybe when this comes out http://www.raspberrypi.org/ I can use it to do a little bit of home-brew server management With SPI, I2C, a UART, and a little GPIO I could tie in the reset switch, serial port, power switch and some sensors. Unless the bios supports redirecting the bios over serial it will be limited but for home use it should be a fun project and massive over kill.
Wow it is amazing some times what people read.
"Yeah, because no-one will find a use for all the extra power that a discrete GPU would give you."
I never said that at all. I said almost no one will buy a separate GPU. Notice that the word "almost" which means that some people still will.
This issue here are economies of scale. Even today the majority of systems probably use integrated graphics. Most systems sold today are notebooks and most notebooks use IG. Throw in all the corporate desktops, school machines, and the average home users and I am willing to bet that most users already are using IG today.
Now as you said most modern games are console ports. Do you see that changing? I sure don't anytime soon because that is where the money is right now. The game makers will all jump for joy once the average desktop and notebook can do good HD graphics. The can then have a good sized market on the PC to target.
The end result will be as IG gets better and better the market for desecrate GPUs will get smaller and smaller. As the market gets smaller and smaller the costs will go up faster and faster for less and less gain. You will have the same situation that you have with audio today where a few people spend the money for a high end sound card but most people are very happy with the sound buit into the motherboard.
Really? Are you just nuts or kidding. Humans can not sense EM in the that range except by heating and that follows the inverse square law. I dare you to overlay a high bandwidth dissonance signal over a far ir source in the milliwatt range and have any human detect the difference!