Yes but it doesn't specify a time. For instance if I upload a new version of the binary before I upload the new version of the source then is someone in violation? Honestly this is right now just a tempest in a teapot. Are the CoreWebkit devs upset? The FSF? RMS? So far not that I have seen. This is a blogger stirring the pot to bet clicks and so many on Slashdot have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
So you hate Apple and have are at the level of personal insults. So do you own a Mac or IOS devices? Are you using Safari? If not you actually do not have the right to the source code. The GPL says you must release the code to those that you distribute the binary to and you are allowed to charge a reasonable amount for shipping.
Get over the hate. Apple has contributed a lot to Webkit and other FOSS projects over the years. Just because someone doesn't get all hyped up over a blog post doesn't make them a mindless fanboi. And really what are you in still in jr high that you must descend to comments like that during what should be a civil discussion over a how fast someone publishes the source for a GPL project? If the Core Webkit developers and FSF get upset then I will take notice. Some blogger on ITWorld just stirring up trouble to get hits? I suggest you just take a deep breath and cut back on the Bawls.
I suggest you read more of that history book. The Boston Tea party was just one small act. The real work change only came from people writing and acting publicly during the revolutionary war. Had the Boston tea party never happened the revolution would have gone on just the same. After all the words "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" where not attributed to Anonymous. And just a few? All the freedom marchers that followed King are a few? All the people in India that followed Gandhi? You use the word few in a way I would not.
I am no dope. "We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us" Yea that doesn't sound like a group of vigilantes to me. And lets not forget their attacks on free speech as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)#No_Cussing_Club "No Cussing Club In January 2009 members of Anonymous targeted California teen McKay Hatch who runs the No Cussing Club, a website against profanity.[65][66] As Hatch's home address, phone number, and other personal information were leaked on-line, his family has received a lot of hate mail, lots of obscene phone calls, and even bogus pizza and pornography deliveries.[67]" Hey I guess that if they don't like what you are saying then they have the write to publish all your personal info. Oh and this little stunt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)#Epilepsy_Foundation_forum_invasion
And you don't even have the nerve to post with your handle.
" I would guess that most of the people that are up in arms on Slashdot are young and without a family. Not all of you but a big chunk. When you are young and do not have a family to worry about causes and principle seem more important."
I said not all. It is very difficult to say all about anyone. It has more to do with trends. Funny thing is that I actually agree with the people that don't like this warrant less tracking and do want it to not happen. I do not fear a tyrannical police state yet. I feel that is a long way down the road. But honestly I will bet that privately you have more in common with the senate than you suspect. You see that is the rub. Those that may want the tyrannical state you fear so much will use the same tool that tyrants always use. Vilification. Once vilification starts communication ends. Both sides will stop listening when the yelling and name calling starts. IMHO is to try and understand more. You and I may disagree on a subject but the second that I just dismiss you as a fool then I no longer have the ability to educate you to my point of view. I just feel that the best course is to ask myself why I might feel the way someone that I disagree with feels that way. If I understand that then maybe I can explain to them why I feel the way I do so that they understand. Of course I am only human. Got into a big fight of Obama not wanting to show the Osama pictures. Someone tried to tell me that a picture on TV was proof to which I replied "Ever seen Forest Gump and Apollo 13?" Who knew that Tom Hanks got to meet President Johnson and flew too the moon! That ended up as a no win I fear.
"It's like the open source community is deliberately trying to alienate a large corporate supporter. Curious indeed." Community well probably not. Have we heard anything from the core webkit developers? My guess is that it is Brian Proffitt trying to stir the pot and drive eyes to his blog in itworld. But that is just a guess. Oh and Cmdr Taco doing much the same with Slashdot. Nothing gets people talking like someone to attack.
One of the big issues companies have with FOSS is software patients. It falls under the if you didn't see it it didn't happen category. Your code may not infringe but the lawyer sees something and says before you release that let me double check that.
Seems like jumping the gun a bit. There other FOSS code dumps are current and it is only the beginning of may. For all we know they are searching the source to make sure they don't have any patent issues with the code. Which is just wrong but if I was Apple I would triple check it just to be sure.
"The second you try to make this a partisan issue is the second you've proven you're drank the kool-aid. " I agree but did you say the same thing when the other party was in power? Silence is consent.
That being said "To track or to wire-tape should require a warrant". I do not feel that is extreme at all. I will even go slight more permissive and say that international communications could be legally tapped without a warrant. After all there is no requirement of a warrant to search anything at a boarder crossing so that seems to fall in the same category. But really just get a warrant from a judge people.
Honestly I doubt that most of them are scumbags at all. Not really anymore than the general population. The problem is that to get past the primary you must play to the base which tends to be extreme. Only the real fanatics are willing to go out and beat the bushes and they are the majority that vote in the primary. And then you have the population as a whole. The majority of people care most about their family. It is human nature after all. So that in large means caring about their job so they provide for them and caring about their safety. They do not care that the government is going to plant a GPS tracking device on some Muslim that they don't know because he did some things that looked suspicious. They might even think that is a good thing after all what harm did come to him? The senate in this case does reflect the will and fears of the people. I would guess that most of the people that are up in arms on Slashdot are young and without a family. Not all of you but a big chunk. When you are young and do not have a family to worry about causes and principle seem more important.
Stealth always compromises performance in someway. But that is just a normal part of life because like everything else it is just one more compromise. You want good radar? Well that adds weight and lowers some performance. You an aircraft to be maneuverable? Well it will be slower and a shorter range. A stealth aircraft will be more expensive and probably be slower and have a shorter range and or less payload than if you built the same aircraft without making it stealth. So yes there is a price to be paid. Did it cause the crash? I have no idea and frankly anything that we say is a pure guess. If say the aircraft did have a lose of life problem from air deflection then it makes some sense that it might have come down hard in the court yard and the tail boom broke on the wall. Or it could have been landing and the tail boom struck the wall. Or it could have had an engine problem or something I am not thinking of. But to answer you question Stealth adds weight and increases drag as does noise reduction but that may or may not have caused the problem.
So they should be hunted down like they destructive and disruptive force that they are to make the world a better place? Yea I want want a bunch of script kiddies running around spreading chaos and revenge...
Please. Comparing Anon to the suffragettes is just going way over the edge. Anon is nothing more or less than a street gang. They use intimidation and threats to exert power. Yeah it would be a real shame if something bad happened to your network. When you have people afraid to make statements critical of them they are no longer just protesters they are a threat to peoples freedoms. Like the freedom of speech. They also become a boogie man for more restrictive anti hacking laws. And by hacking I mean things like modding devices that YOU OWN! And what everybody that confuses this vigilantly gang like activity with civil disobedience, forgets is that Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Susan B Anthony where not anonymous. Now the KKK the rode out and lynched folks that did things that they didn't like, that terrorized people into silence they where anonymous. You are drawing the wrong parallel from history. Of course the Klan saw and still sees themselves as heroes just like Anonymous does.
Funny but you do know standard gauge is not a metric standard. So when is Europe going to finish it's move to metric and change all their rail road tracks to some metric standard?
You will see many people say that Sony is more to blame. Or that it is Sony's fault. And that is what I do not agree with. I also really want to see what the hack was and how long the vulnerably was known and patched. In a production server you don't just put the latest version of Apache up until you test it. Patch could have been being tested or worse Sony may have been using a custom version of Apache and had to port the patch. There is honestly too many questions to lay the blame on Sony. And the defense of the cyber gang Anon does irk me. When people have to fear critical of a group that group is a treat to all of society. Frankly the actions of that group hurt freedom. They scare the crap out of average people and will help strengthen things like the DMCA and anti-console modding laws. I will say that I doubt that the majority of that group had anything to do with stealing the cards but what does it take to be a member? Someone left their calling card on the hacked server and is calling yourself a member enough to make you a member? If the group is as loose as they claim it is then no one and everyone is a member.
Or a new design. That tail rotor is not from any know US or even NATO Helicopter. How much was compromised? Maybe some materials It will depend on if Pakistan gives it back or not. They will probably pass some parts onto China since they are working with them on new aircraft. Or we will sell them some more F16s cheap if they give back to US.
Actually I was thinking why not build this in the same form factor as the Arduino? It has GPIO and I am sure it as SPI you need to some A2D channels but that should be too hard to add. Now you have super Arduino running Linux and if you want even more IO. You could even port the Arduino programing language to Linux and have a full debugger and everything running on the board.
If it can decode h.264 then I see a product idea based on it. A new type of portable media player. put some flash on it just drag your media to it over the USB while it charges. Take it to your TV and plug it into your HDMI and hit play.
scot4875 accused me of being nothing but a sony fanboi. You replyed to my reply to him. I never said that Sony was with out fault. I said that Sony was not as guilty or frankly guilty at on in this case. I am just sick of people shifting the blame from people committing criminal acts to those that they happen to feel didn't have as good of defense as they should. But there is so much Sony hate that people are just looking to dump all the blame on them.
Microsoft Word for DOS was okay but it was SLOW. It used graphics for everything and worked with a mouse. Frankly nobody wanted it. I know because the computer store I worked at had several copies of it and the owner gave me one because nobody was ever going to use it. We actually sold a lot more systems with Wordstar on them but that was when WordPerfect was just starting to get traction. Back then there was a lot of compitions. PerfectWriter, XYWrite, Word, Wordstar, WordPerfect, QnA "Loved that program" and many others I don't remember. Good times.
Of course Sony should have updated. You should lock your car, you should have dead bolts on your front door. But if your care gets stolen because you forgot to lock it or your house gets robbed because didn't put on a dead bolt does not make as much to blame as the criminal. I will skip your tasteless example. Do you really lack the understand of the difference in responsibility between the failure to take precautions and committing a premeditated criminal act? The fact that people are SO FREAKING STUPID to think that this has anything to do with being a fan of any company drivers me NUTs. If Sony was so careless then I am sure that they well end up paying out a lot of money. But that is a civil case and not a criminal case. But to call me a fanboi is just stupid. No this is about truth and justice. Frankly one of the reasons I don't own a PS/3 is all the evil stuff that Sony has done in the past. I really wanted one when I could put Linux on it because I really wanted to do some development using the cell and it was the cheapest platform I could get. I am glad I didn't now. But just because they have done evil things and frankly still do I will not lie and say that they are equally to blame for some commuting a criminal act targeting them. And I will not allow others to do the same with out speaking out.
Actually I am not a Sony fanboi at all. I think Sony was wrong for taking out the Other OS support, going after jailbreakers and console modders, and that root kit thing was just criminal. The only Sony console I own is a PS/2 and that is because they came out with Tourist TrophyTT and I am a motorcycle fan. I am a justice fanboi. It is DISGUSTING to blame the target of a crime just because they didn't protect themselves well enough. Of course Sony should have patched their servers but they are not more to blame or even as much to blame as the criminal that broke into there system. That is the same kind of thinking that says a pretty woman is to blame if she gets raped or a victim of a bully is to blame because they didn't stand up to the Bully! Or even the victims of phishing attacks because they should have known better. That kind of thinking is disgusting and frankly arrogant. Should Sony have updated their software and have had better security? probably but I would love to have some facts like what version they where running and what does no firewall really mean before I make judgement on that. Is Sony as responsible for being attacked as the person or group that made the attack? HELL NO!
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Yes but it doesn't specify a time.
For instance if I upload a new version of the binary before I upload the new version of the source then is someone in violation?
Honestly this is right now just a tempest in a teapot. Are the CoreWebkit devs upset? The FSF? RMS?
So far not that I have seen. This is a blogger stirring the pot to bet clicks and so many on Slashdot have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
So you hate Apple and have are at the level of personal insults.
So do you own a Mac or IOS devices?
Are you using Safari?
If not you actually do not have the right to the source code. The GPL says you must release the code to those that you distribute the binary to and you are allowed to charge a reasonable amount for shipping.
Get over the hate. Apple has contributed a lot to Webkit and other FOSS projects over the years. Just because someone doesn't get all hyped up over a blog post doesn't make them a mindless fanboi. And really what are you in still in jr high that you must descend to comments like that during what should be a civil discussion over a how fast someone publishes the source for a GPL project?
If the Core Webkit developers and FSF get upset then I will take notice. Some blogger on ITWorld just stirring up trouble to get hits? I suggest you just take a deep breath and cut back on the Bawls.
I suggest you read more of that history book. The Boston Tea party was just one small act. The real work change only came from people writing and acting publicly during the revolutionary war. Had the Boston tea party never happened the revolution would have gone on just the same.
After all the words "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" where not attributed to Anonymous.
And just a few? All the freedom marchers that followed King are a few? All the people in India that followed Gandhi? You use the word few in a way I would not.
I am no dope. "We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us"
Yea that doesn't sound like a group of vigilantes to me. And lets not forget their attacks on free speech as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)#No_Cussing_Club
"No Cussing Club
In January 2009 members of Anonymous targeted California teen McKay Hatch who runs the No Cussing Club, a website against profanity.[65][66] As Hatch's home address, phone number, and other personal information were leaked on-line, his family has received a lot of hate mail, lots of obscene phone calls, and even bogus pizza and pornography deliveries.[67]"
Hey I guess that if they don't like what you are saying then they have the write to publish all your personal info.
Oh and this little stunt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)#Epilepsy_Foundation_forum_invasion
And you don't even have the nerve to post with your handle.
" I would guess that most of the people that are up in arms on Slashdot are young and without a family. Not all of you but a big chunk. When you are young and do not have a family to worry about causes and principle seem more important."
I said not all. It is very difficult to say all about anyone. It has more to do with trends. Funny thing is that I actually agree with the people that don't like this warrant less tracking and do want it to not happen.
I do not fear a tyrannical police state yet. I feel that is a long way down the road. But honestly I will bet that privately you have more in common with the senate than you suspect. You see that is the rub. Those that may want the tyrannical state you fear so much will use the same tool that tyrants always use.
Vilification. Once vilification starts communication ends. Both sides will stop listening when the yelling and name calling starts. IMHO is to try and understand more. You and I may disagree on a subject but the second that I just dismiss you as a fool then I no longer have the ability to educate you to my point of view. I just feel that the best course is to ask myself why I might feel the way someone that I disagree with feels that way. If I understand that then maybe I can explain to them why I feel the way I do so that they understand.
Of course I am only human. Got into a big fight of Obama not wanting to show the Osama pictures. Someone tried to tell me that a picture on TV was proof to which I replied "Ever seen Forest Gump and Apollo 13?" Who knew that Tom Hanks got to meet President Johnson and flew too the moon!
That ended up as a no win I fear.
"It's like the open source community is deliberately trying to alienate a large corporate supporter. Curious indeed."
Community well probably not. Have we heard anything from the core webkit developers?
My guess is that it is Brian Proffitt trying to stir the pot and drive eyes to his blog in itworld.
But that is just a guess.
Oh and Cmdr Taco doing much the same with Slashdot. Nothing gets people talking like someone to attack.
That is why I said that this is jumping the gun. Apple does say on the website that is is coming soon.
One of the big issues companies have with FOSS is software patients. It falls under the if you didn't see it it didn't happen category. Your code may not infringe but the lawyer sees something and says before you release that let me double check that.
Seems like jumping the gun a bit. There other FOSS code dumps are current and it is only the beginning of may. For all we know they are searching the source to make sure they don't have any patent issues with the code. Which is just wrong but if I was Apple I would triple check it just to be sure.
"The second you try to make this a partisan issue is the second you've proven you're drank the kool-aid. "
I agree but did you say the same thing when the other party was in power? Silence is consent.
That being said "To track or to wire-tape should require a warrant". I do not feel that is extreme at all. I will even go slight more permissive and say that international communications could be legally tapped without a warrant. After all there is no requirement of a warrant to search anything at a boarder crossing so that seems to fall in the same category. But really just get a warrant from a judge people.
Honestly I doubt that most of them are scumbags at all. Not really anymore than the general population. The problem is that to get past the primary you must play to the base which tends to be extreme. Only the real fanatics are willing to go out and beat the bushes and they are the majority that vote in the primary.
And then you have the population as a whole. The majority of people care most about their family. It is human nature after all. So that in large means caring about their job so they provide for them and caring about their safety. They do not care that the government is going to plant a GPS tracking device on some Muslim that they don't know because he did some things that looked suspicious. They might even think that is a good thing after all what harm did come to him? The senate in this case does reflect the will and fears of the people. I would guess that most of the people that are up in arms on Slashdot are young and without a family. Not all of you but a big chunk. When you are young and do not have a family to worry about causes and principle seem more important.
Stealth always compromises performance in someway. But that is just a normal part of life because like everything else it is just one more compromise. You want good radar? Well that adds weight and lowers some performance. You an aircraft to be maneuverable? Well it will be slower and a shorter range. A stealth aircraft will be more expensive and probably be slower and have a shorter range and or less payload than if you built the same aircraft without making it stealth. So yes there is a price to be paid. Did it cause the crash? I have no idea and frankly anything that we say is a pure guess. If say the aircraft did have a lose of life problem from air deflection then it makes some sense that it might have come down hard in the court yard and the tail boom broke on the wall.
Or it could have been landing and the tail boom struck the wall.
Or it could have had an engine problem or something I am not thinking of.
But to answer you question Stealth adds weight and increases drag as does noise reduction but that may or may not have caused the problem.
So they should be hunted down like they destructive and disruptive force that they are to make the world a better place?
Yea I want want a bunch of script kiddies running around spreading chaos and revenge...
Please. Comparing Anon to the suffragettes is just going way over the edge. Anon is nothing more or less than a street gang. They use intimidation and threats to exert power. Yeah it would be a real shame if something bad happened to your network. When you have people afraid to make statements critical of them they are no longer just protesters they are a threat to peoples freedoms. Like the freedom of speech.
They also become a boogie man for more restrictive anti hacking laws. And by hacking I mean things like modding devices that YOU OWN! And what everybody that confuses this vigilantly gang like activity with civil disobedience, forgets is that Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Susan B Anthony where not anonymous. Now the KKK the rode out and lynched folks that did things that they didn't like, that terrorized people into silence they where anonymous. You are drawing the wrong parallel from history. Of course the Klan saw and still sees themselves as heroes just like Anonymous does.
Funny but you do know standard gauge is not a metric standard. So when is Europe going to finish it's move to metric and change all their rail road tracks to some metric standard?
No I know every unclassified military helicopter in US and Nato service. That is how I know that it must be modified or a new design.
You will see many people say that Sony is more to blame. Or that it is Sony's fault. And that is what I do not agree with. I also really want to see what the hack was and how long the vulnerably was known and patched. In a production server you don't just put the latest version of Apache up until you test it. Patch could have been being tested or worse Sony may have been using a custom version of Apache and had to port the patch. There is honestly too many questions to lay the blame on Sony.
And the defense of the cyber gang Anon does irk me. When people have to fear critical of a group that group is a treat to all of society. Frankly the actions of that group hurt freedom. They scare the crap out of average people and will help strengthen things like the DMCA and anti-console modding laws. I will say that I doubt that the majority of that group had anything to do with stealing the cards but what does it take to be a member? Someone left their calling card on the hacked server and is calling yourself a member enough to make you a member? If the group is as loose as they claim it is then no one and everyone is a member.
Or a new design. That tail rotor is not from any know US or even NATO Helicopter. How much was compromised? Maybe some materials It will depend on if Pakistan gives it back or not. They will probably pass some parts onto China since they are working with them on new aircraft. Or we will sell them some more F16s cheap if they give back to US.
Actually I was thinking why not build this in the same form factor as the Arduino? It has GPIO and I am sure it as SPI you need to some A2D channels but that should be too hard to add. Now you have super Arduino running Linux and if you want even more IO. You could even port the Arduino programing language to Linux and have a full debugger and everything running on the board.
The new Lano? Fusion from AMD would be nice.
If it can decode h.264 then I see a product idea based on it.
A new type of portable media player. put some flash on it just drag your media to it over the USB while it charges. Take it to your TV and plug it into your HDMI and hit play.
scot4875 accused me of being nothing but a sony fanboi. You replyed to my reply to him.
I never said that Sony was with out fault. I said that Sony was not as guilty or frankly guilty at on in this case. I am just sick of people shifting the blame from people committing criminal acts to those that they happen to feel didn't have as good of defense as they should. But there is so much Sony hate that people are just looking to dump all the blame on them.
Yep but it took WordPerfect a while to get a good GUI. I had WordPerfect on my Amiga as well.
Microsoft Word for DOS was okay but it was SLOW. It used graphics for everything and worked with a mouse. Frankly nobody wanted it. I know because the computer store I worked at had several copies of it and the owner gave me one because nobody was ever going to use it.
We actually sold a lot more systems with Wordstar on them but that was when WordPerfect was just starting to get traction. Back then there was a lot of compitions. PerfectWriter, XYWrite, Word, Wordstar, WordPerfect, QnA "Loved that program" and many others I don't remember. Good times.
Of course Sony should have updated. You should lock your car, you should have dead bolts on your front door.
But if your care gets stolen because you forgot to lock it or your house gets robbed because didn't put on a dead bolt does not make as much to blame as the criminal.
I will skip your tasteless example.
Do you really lack the understand of the difference in responsibility between the failure to take precautions and committing a premeditated criminal act?
The fact that people are SO FREAKING STUPID to think that this has anything to do with being a fan of any company drivers me NUTs. If Sony was so careless then I am sure that they well end up paying out a lot of money. But that is a civil case and not a criminal case. But to call me a fanboi is just stupid. No this is about truth and justice. Frankly one of the reasons I don't own a PS/3 is all the evil stuff that Sony has done in the past. I really wanted one when I could put Linux on it because I really wanted to do some development using the cell and it was the cheapest platform I could get. I am glad I didn't now. But just because they have done evil things and frankly still do I will not lie and say that they are equally to blame for some commuting a criminal act targeting them. And I will not allow others to do the same with out speaking out.
Actually I am not a Sony fanboi at all. I think Sony was wrong for taking out the Other OS support, going after jailbreakers and console modders, and that root kit thing was just criminal. The only Sony console I own is a PS/2 and that is because they came out with Tourist TrophyTT and I am a motorcycle fan.
I am a justice fanboi. It is DISGUSTING to blame the target of a crime just because they didn't protect themselves well enough.
Of course Sony should have patched their servers but they are not more to blame or even as much to blame as the criminal that broke into there system.
That is the same kind of thinking that says a pretty woman is to blame if she gets raped or a victim of a bully is to blame because they didn't stand up to the Bully! Or even the victims of phishing attacks because they should have known better.
That kind of thinking is disgusting and frankly arrogant.
Should Sony have updated their software and have had better security? probably but I would love to have some facts like what version they where running and what does no firewall really mean before I make judgement on that.
Is Sony as responsible for being attacked as the person or group that made the attack? HELL NO!