That is just it. To have a real revolution you must have some hope of victory and frankly living to see it. People in the west and even slightly free nations really do not get it. If you see masses of people being killed you will not join them. Look at the very limited resistance in European nations durring WWII. The movies really over blow the size of the resistance. The French resistance was actually pretty minnor until liberation was near at hand. AKA they thought they had chance to live to see victory. The Warsaw uprising was when Russian troops where near btw that was a shameful thing the USSR did letting them die. The nation that did the best at resisting was Norway. The reason that did so well. Hitler gave them the most freedom and thought that they would actually fall in line because they where Nordic. BTW I am not saying this to take anything away from the Norwegian resistance. On the contrary they pretty much invited a brutal occupation because they took a moral stand. IMHO Norway was the unsung hero of WWII. But all this brave talk on Slashdot means nothing. Most of us are really clueless to how good we have it and how free and safe we really are. When push comes to shove almost no one here would stand in front of tank that just ran over another protester. It goes counter to the basic will to live.
Well one solution would be only to allow FOSS programs to charge that have a foundation like OpenBSD, Mozilla, and so on. They would then could use the money how they see fit. Of course since it is FOSS I am sure that it will also be available for free as well so paying for it would be an option.
I wouldn't bet on that. You sure do not hear about any protests in North Korea. I fear that the dictators of the world have learned well from this. If you are going to be a dictator be a brutal ruthless dictator. Watch the news and will see that now when protesters show up tanks will too and not a show of force but as brutal force. It is easy to talk about an uncrushable human spirit when you do not have a tank crushing your, your wife's, and or you children's bodies. Yep the old guard has learned well. No half measures anymore. If you are going to rule then rule with a brutal iron fist. Welcome to the world of unintended consequences. The results of the Internet revolution may be getting ride of the just moderately bad dictators but creating more really brutal ones. BTW just to be clear I REALLY HOPE I TURN OUT TO BE WRONG.
Well I do consider multitasking to be a huge feature. It was one of the things that I really didn't like about IOS and that they have now only kind of fixed. I do not have a Microsoft phone so I can only go by the reviews that say the Gmail integration is not as good as Android's. It is just IMAP level from the reviews. The interface is not bad but again no multitasking, no custom ring tones, no cut and paste, no enterprise level integration with exchange, and no CDMA support. I will say that interface was fast and snappy when I played with on at the store and Zune Pass I feel is a great feature. The thing is that for Microsoft to come out with this half finished OS is just flat out a disgrace. They know it is lacking features because they are adding most of what I listed in future updates. Thing is that my list of lacking features will not be addressed until at least October! By then we will the IPhone 5 and probably IPhone 6 rumors. Will have released the Android 3.1 or 3.2. and there will be many dual and maybe even a quad core or two Android phone on the market. Both Android and IOS will have NFC and probably gyros for gaming "IOS already does". Blackberry will QNX tablets and phones on the market and even WebOS phones may have exciting new features. And WP7 will be getting multitasking...... Really? Microsoft you should really be ashamed of this performance. I mean really if any other company had brought out WP7 they would have been laughed at. Now Nokia says they will release their first WP7 phone after October? Wow they are so in deep trouble. The have basically told everybody that if you buy one of our current phones you are buying a dead end. If you develop for your current phones you are spending time on a dead platform. They have shot themselves in the freaking head by saying that QT will not be supported on WP7! If they had supported QT they could at least told their developers "If you use QT your software will port to WP7." I guess they have enough cash to coast for about a year while their developers and customers all flock to Android, IOS, RIM, and WebOS. And until I see activation numbers of WP7 I will have to go with this data point. http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/lg-exec-admits-wp7-sales-weak That combined with the fact that AT&T has slashed several of the high end WP7 phones to $99 points to WP7 being a sales fizzle if not a complete flop. Or as the CNET writer Molly Wood said on Buzz Out Loud yesterday, "Nokia needs to fire that Microsoft fanboy and release some Android phones today!" Or get MeeGo off the ground. Or maybe even make a deal with HP for WebOS which would rock!
I wonder why no one has produced or if they have publicized Synaptic for Windows. Of course there is already an app store for Windows. Steam! Maybe Valve would like to open it up to none game apps. "If they have not already". They could even open it up for FOSS programs. It might even offer a source of revenue up for the projects them. I would be glad to pay say $1.99 for Gimp on Windows, or LibreOffice, or any number of other FOSS programs I use on Windows. Truth is that I don't use windows much at home anymore but I always thought that a good app store combined with a good repository like system could work really well for Windows and even Linux. Selling FOSS software is completely approved of in the GPL and an easy way to buy it may actually encourage people to pay for it and encourage people to write it.
resistance movement... Gang of thugs. Historically the resistance movements often tend to be as bad or worse than the government they replace. Not all mind you but a lot of them.
"'Im pretty sure that anonymous does the things it does as retaliation for what it perceives as attacks on it and internet freedom." And the KKK lynched Black men that raped white women. The Nazi's attacked communist that where a threat to the German way of life and their freedom. Every group is justified in their actions to themselves. Judge actions not motivations because you can never really know anyones real motivation.
And as far as nations with nicer laws than the US you are pretty clueless on that one. Most European nations have much less legal protection on freedom of speech than the US does when it comes to unpopular and even ugly political speech. Asia? You have got to be kidding. Africa? South America? Yes in all of those you are free to be as critical as you want of the US. Just trying publishing stuff they don't like! Sure most are fine with porn but political speech and what they consider hate speech is strictly regulated. Hey that is their choice and in many nations the restrictions I feel are completely understandable from a historical point of view. But do not fool yourself that they have more freedom of speech than the US does.
Where the Black Panthers good? Did MLK ever call them good or support them?
To go back to Nazi Germany the Nazis where often fighting the communists and anarchistics which where violent criminal groups that where out to destroy Germany's fledgling democracy. They where just as bad in a lot of ways as the Nazis where at the time. The KKK got support and grew during reconstruction after the Civil War. After Lincolns death reconstruction took an ugly turn and some northern groups where bent on punishing the south. People in the South saw the KKK as a group that stood up for their rights and fought the carpet baggers. BTW thee was no need for the KKK to work to keep the African Americans down. Even after the war they where still treated unfairly in every state of the Union. To not call out anon or even worse to call them good when they use evil tactics is to be on the side of Evil. Those tactics are not needed and should not be put up with much less called good!
I am all free speech but the actions of anon are anti free speech. Think about the holocaust denying books and speakers. Is it better to allow the books to be published and the speakers speak and then legaly counter them with the the truth or calling a bomb threat to get their speaking engagements canceled or threated the companies that publish their books and or the stores that carry them? That is the choice pick your side because it is good verses evil and that is my case that the tactics and actions of anon are evil.
What government official made a death threat? Remember that a to be an official they must be an official not a former one which makes them just so guy. Plus let's us our brains. If the US government wanted him dead then they would say nothing. That is just dumb. They would even say positive things and then Mr Assange would have a tragic accident. Maybe food poisoning or a bad oyster.
I swear you people thing this US government is this all powerful evil entity that can do just about anything and at the same time make them as stupid as a Bond villain. Yes Mr Assange I will kill you. But first I will make very public threats and then let you run around telling people that we threatened you.... Please at least cook up a good set of unreasonable fears.
Yes the people in the brown shirts could have been stopped by peaceful action. The people in the white sheets have been pushed to the fringes and are for the most part despised and powerless because of peaceful speeches. Thing is that anon are the guys in white sheets and brown shirts. They think they are above the law. You know that reasonably fair court system we fought for so hard. Anyone that for any reason thinks they are above the law is no longer on the side team good. Please they are bullies and thugs. They attack those that they do not like. Maybe they will go after me because I dared to poke them and say what I think of them. In that case are they still team good? No sir. Do not fall for that. Trust me a lot of good people supported the Nazis because the Nazis where on team good because they where fighting the communists and others that where trying to destroy Germany. I am sure that many said the same thing that while they didn't like them they where better than the communists and the anarchists. And yes someone will claim Goodwin but in this case several parallels are clear and those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. As long as we have laws and a legal system that works reasonably well anyone that acts as a thug to shout people down and hides their face is not on team good. Only laws that unfair should be broken and they need to be broken in public and in a way for the people to see they are wrong. Look at MLK and Gandhi as examples. Or in this case judge Anon by there tactics not by your dislike of who they are fighting.
Yep and they don't get it. You should see the post that anon if they went to war would start blowing up stuff and taking out infrastructure. They fans live in a fantasy world.
It does. You do know that the NSA has ties into every backbone carrier in the US right? You do know that they can tap the data at will right?
Only a fool would think that the US couldn't take down not just the US internet but probably a good percentage of all the internet if need be. if the data is already flowing through those devices then only a fool would believe that those devices couldn't shut off that flow. This kill switch is to allow the isolation of segments of the internet. Laws are already in place that allow the president to shut of connections with the rest of the world and have been since the 1930s.
What boggles my mind is the very idea that if the US government was at the point of rolling out tanks to stop protests in the street that a law would stop them from shutting off the Internet.
Anonymous good? Is making death threats because you do not like someone is going to say at a conference good? Is heckling and yelling them down good? Funny but I have seen those actions in old news reels from the 30s and from old news stories from the 60s. The folks using those tactics where the ones in the brown shirts and the white sheets. I don't think MLK or Gandhi ever made any death threats to people or hecked them when they presented papers at conferences. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure about that.
Since when is when someone says something you do agree with you make death threats been a sign of being good? Anonymous is a gang of bullies. People often see bullies and thugs as heroes if they themselves do not ones being bullied. There are people that think the KKK are a bunch of brave freedom fighters.
Anonymous is no differn't right down to hiding their faces. And their fans do not like they people they are abusing. Anonymous are those peoples brave Knights in white sheets.
Want to mess with the NSA, DOD, CIA, and FBI? People talk about when dealing with Anonymous that you shouldn't "poke the bear". In this case if they want to go to war it would be wise to take a good look at the bears that Anonymous is poking. So this is war... The problem is they are starting a war with people that fight wars for a living and have real guns. Across the world thousands of basements will soon be going dark.
Wow so Windows Phone 7 doesn't iwork as well with their own email and calendaring system as RIM's? And Microsoft isn't ashamed of this and firing people left right and sideways because?
"1. lagging in features "multitasking, cut and paste, and custom ring tones."
those have been announced at MWC yesterday." With multitasking not coming until October. If it hasn't shipped it isn't real
For office intergeneration it may be nice but I just can not see using my phone to deal with a word document. For syncing notes and such I find Evernote to be extremely useful. You may or may not find the Office integration useful but frankly that is what a notebook is for.
No this is NOT Microsoft's first attempt at this market. The market is the Mobile market. the iPhone was Apples first attempt at the mobile phone market they did have the Newton PDA but that was a while ago. Microsoft produced WinCE/Windows Mobile as you put it a decade ago. They kept producing new versions of it and then Apple out of the blue came out and beat them. There reaction was first Windows Mobile 6 and them Windows Mobile 6.5. So not is a new versions of their attempt to do something in the mobile space. They have more experience than in the mobile space than Apple and Android. Only Palm has more than Microsoft. They where in the market for years when Apple just came out with a much better product and blew them away. They have had as long to adapt as Android and Palm and yet their response is still at best lack luster. Microsoft might still do well because they will just keep throwing money at the market but they may also decide that this isn't a "Core" market and drop it or just let it limp along. As it is WP7 is really behind because the next thing in mobile is already here. Tablets look like they are going to be huge. Apple, Google, Blackberry and HP/Palm have all shown, or shipping, or are shipping tablets. Well in the case of Google there OS is shipping on tablets. And again Microsoft was playing with and pushing tablets for at least a decade with no real uptake. It is really just your classic case of Microsoft playing follow the leader again! They came out with the Zune which was at best an also ran to the iPod then when Apple came out with the iPod Touch and iPhone Microsoft shipped the ZuneHD which was a good competitor to the iPod but the market had moved on. Now Microsoft ships a Phone OS would have been a good competitor to IOS V1 and maybe V2 but now is lagging them all. Microsoft needs to produce a mobile OS that isn't as good as what it's competitors used to ship. At this point it can not even be given credit for a product as good as IOS, Android, and WebOS. As the largest software company in the world and after being in the Mobile market for more than 10 years anything less than the best is shameful. And as it stands they should be ashamed.
"The iPhone cost way more then 200-300 AND didn't come with CDMA at the start. Nokia also got plenty of cheap phones and that is in fact an area they do very well in being the top seller in poorer areas." Not in the US.
"The N900 shipped with Maemo which is half the origin of Meego. So yes they shipped a phone and it sold very well indeed spending a lot of time being sold out." It wasn't MeeGo was it? and how many did they sell? Really you are one of the most OCD fanboi's I have ever seen. Nokia blew it because they didn't keep focus on Maemo or MeeGo or Symbian. They had not plan or focus that anybody could see. They also have next to no presence in the US market. That is just dumb because it is a super profitable market to be in. The US has almost as many people as the EU. It has a very large GNP. It has one language. It has four major carriers. And yes since I was just talking about software all of Nokia's competitors are from North America and Android, IOS, and Blackberry have all done very well in the rest of the world as well. Really I really want a good MeeGo phone on my carrier and at the same price as my HTC Evo. I love Linux but Nokia has been running around like a blind drunken sailor.
"Indeed, so that makes HTC, LG and Samsung you mention yourself North American companies?
I think their owners will be very suprised. So that is how Taiwan (HTC) is going for independence from China, they are going to be the 51st state, oh wait that is canada. So that is how WW3 is going to start. Good to know." Those are just hardware makers. If you bothered to read I mentioned the products I was referencing. IOS, Android, WebOS, and RIM's OS. The actual hardware is pretty interchangeable at this point. Snapdragon at around 1 Ghz, big screen, and so on. Nokia makes very good hardware but hardware without software is useless.
Really? Why? What does Microsoft bring to the table for a smartphone OS? The only strengths I see are XBox Live integration and the Zune Pass. The weaknesses are 1. lagging in features "multitasking, cut and paste, and custom ring tones." 2. Small library of applications. Heck I bet WebOS still has more. 3. Limited carriers in the US. Even the IPhone now beats it on that score. So why would anybody buy a WP7 device? Mobile Office? Do you really think you will use office on your phone? For me the lack of good gmail integration is a big loss but then if someone lives and dies by Exchange then WP7 will go head to head with Blackberry and I am not sure that it is better than a Blackberry in that space. I just do not see it as a contender at all. It looks like at this point in time to be an also ran at best and very feature incomplete. Thing is people are pretending that this is Microsoft's first OS in the Mobile space. It isn't called WP7 for nothing folks.
Really how much stock do they control? Why do they think they can "fix" Nokia? Nokia is in trouble and is loosing market share. They are just about absent in the US and while the US isn't the whole world it is a very big and very rich market. Add in that Nokia just can not seem to come up with a plan. Symbian? It was/is a good OS but the UI has really lagged. MeeGo? Well where is it? Maybe it will really rock but they have not shipped a phone with it yet have they? Nokia needs a really good phone with a really good OS and they need to ship it to the world including the US even if that means going CDMA. They need to have a hero device and it needs to be available from a US carrier and it needs to cost between $200 and $300 in the US to get traction here. They also need good lower cost devices that can be down at the $100 to free range in the US. I am in the US so that is the market I know the best. WP7 is so not on the radar in the US right now. It is really lagging in uptake and I do not see that changing. Then you have the fact that with WP7 Nokia will have the same OS and look and feel as phones from HTC, LG, and Samsung. Also the Nokia developer community will be forced to become part of the Microsoft Developers community. Nokia will become nothing but a shadow of it's self. Yea I think this is a disaster but I am not sure Nokia can be saved from it's self. They really seemed to have just flat out abandoned the US market and then lost any sense of direction. And yes you can say all that you want about how the US isn't the world but take a hard look. All of Nokia's competitors in the smartphone space come from North America and most of them from the US. Android, WebOS, IOS, and WP7 are all from the US. RIM is from Canada. It is a mess but I doubt that going back to the same old same old will fix anything. Plus we do not know what deals have already been made. It may be impossible to undo.
Thanks for the info. Frankly I fear that WP7+Nokia is going to be a disaster. I would love to see a $199 Nokia MeeGo phone on Sprint in the US. Right now I use an HTC Evo 4G which I do really like but Nokia traditonaly builds good phones IE good call quality and has always been very interesting. I was tempted by the E71 but in the US it was on AT&T and I didn't want to jump on AT&T. I think that is part of the problem in the US. Nokia doesn't want to deal with CDMA so it is locked out of the number one and number three carrier in the US. AT&T was all about the iPhone and TMobile is all about Android. You can not even buy many low end Nokia phones through US carriers. Add in the US carriers really don't offer you any break for not having a subsidized phone and you can see the problem.
But I fear that WP7 will be a case of Nokia jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
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That is just it. To have a real revolution you must have some hope of victory and frankly living to see it. People in the west and even slightly free nations really do not get it.
If you see masses of people being killed you will not join them. Look at the very limited resistance in European nations durring WWII. The movies really over blow the size of the resistance. The French resistance was actually pretty minnor until liberation was near at hand. AKA they thought they had chance to live to see victory. The Warsaw uprising was when Russian troops where near btw that was a shameful thing the USSR did letting them die.
The nation that did the best at resisting was Norway. The reason that did so well. Hitler gave them the most freedom and thought that they would actually fall in line because they where Nordic. BTW I am not saying this to take anything away from the Norwegian resistance. On the contrary they pretty much invited a brutal occupation because they took a moral stand. IMHO Norway was the unsung hero of WWII.
But all this brave talk on Slashdot means nothing. Most of us are really clueless to how good we have it and how free and safe we really are. When push comes to shove almost no one here would stand in front of tank that just ran over another protester. It goes counter to the basic will to live.
Well one solution would be only to allow FOSS programs to charge that have a foundation like OpenBSD, Mozilla, and so on. They would then could use the money how they see fit.
Of course since it is FOSS I am sure that it will also be available for free as well so paying for it would be an option.
I wouldn't bet on that. You sure do not hear about any protests in North Korea.
I fear that the dictators of the world have learned well from this. If you are going to be a dictator be a brutal ruthless dictator. Watch the news and will see that now when protesters show up tanks will too and not a show of force but as brutal force.
It is easy to talk about an uncrushable human spirit when you do not have a tank crushing your, your wife's, and or you children's bodies. Yep the old guard has learned well. No half measures anymore. If you are going to rule then rule with a brutal iron fist. Welcome to the world of unintended consequences. The results of the Internet revolution may be getting ride of the just moderately bad dictators but creating more really brutal ones.
BTW just to be clear I REALLY HOPE I TURN OUT TO BE WRONG.
Well I do consider multitasking to be a huge feature. It was one of the things that I really didn't like about IOS and that they have now only kind of fixed.
I do not have a Microsoft phone so I can only go by the reviews that say the Gmail integration is not as good as Android's. It is just IMAP level from the reviews. The interface is not bad but again no multitasking, no custom ring tones, no cut and paste, no enterprise level integration with exchange, and no CDMA support. I will say that interface was fast and snappy when I played with on at the store and Zune Pass I feel is a great feature. The thing is that for Microsoft to come out with this half finished OS is just flat out a disgrace. They know it is lacking features because they are adding most of what I listed in future updates. Thing is that my list of lacking features will not be addressed until at least October! By then we will the IPhone 5 and probably IPhone 6 rumors. Will have released the Android 3.1 or 3.2. and there will be many dual and maybe even a quad core or two Android phone on the market. Both Android and IOS will have NFC and probably gyros for gaming "IOS already does". Blackberry will QNX tablets and phones on the market and even WebOS phones may have exciting new features. And WP7 will be getting multitasking...... Really? Microsoft you should really be ashamed of this performance. I mean really if any other company had brought out WP7 they would have been laughed at. Now Nokia says they will release their first WP7 phone after October? Wow they are so in deep trouble. The have basically told everybody that if you buy one of our current phones you are buying a dead end. If you develop for your current phones you are spending time on a dead platform. They have shot themselves in the freaking head by saying that QT will not be supported on WP7! If they had supported QT they could at least told their developers "If you use QT your software will port to WP7."
I guess they have enough cash to coast for about a year while their developers and customers all flock to Android, IOS, RIM, and WebOS.
And until I see activation numbers of WP7 I will have to go with this data point. http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/lg-exec-admits-wp7-sales-weak
That combined with the fact that AT&T has slashed several of the high end WP7 phones to $99 points to WP7 being a sales fizzle if not a complete flop.
Or as the CNET writer Molly Wood said on Buzz Out Loud yesterday, "Nokia needs to fire that Microsoft fanboy and release some Android phones today!"
Or get MeeGo off the ground. Or maybe even make a deal with HP for WebOS which would rock!
I wonder why no one has produced or if they have publicized Synaptic for Windows.
Of course there is already an app store for Windows. Steam! Maybe Valve would like to open it up to none game apps. "If they have not already". They could even open it up for FOSS programs. It might even offer a source of revenue up for the projects them. I would be glad to pay say $1.99 for Gimp on Windows, or LibreOffice, or any number of other FOSS programs I use on Windows.
Truth is that I don't use windows much at home anymore but I always thought that a good app store combined with a good repository like system could work really well for Windows and even Linux. Selling FOSS software is completely approved of in the GPL and an easy way to buy it may actually encourage people to pay for it and encourage people to write it.
resistance movement... Gang of thugs. Historically the resistance movements often tend to be as bad or worse than the government they replace. Not all mind you but a lot of them.
ha ha ha. Anon the people that couldn't take down Amazon? They are a bunch of script kiddies people.
But in this case the guys with the guns are the FBI, CIA, NSA, and DOD.
Maybe in this case we should say that bar shouldn't poke the hunting party.
"'Im pretty sure that anonymous does the things it does as retaliation for what it perceives as attacks on it and internet freedom."
And the KKK lynched Black men that raped white women. The Nazi's attacked communist that where a threat to the German way of life and their freedom.
Every group is justified in their actions to themselves. Judge actions not motivations because you can never really know anyones real motivation.
And as far as nations with nicer laws than the US you are pretty clueless on that one. Most European nations have much less legal protection on freedom of speech than the US does when it comes to unpopular and even ugly political speech. Asia? You have got to be kidding. Africa? South America?
Yes in all of those you are free to be as critical as you want of the US. Just trying publishing stuff they don't like! Sure most are fine with porn but political speech and what they consider hate speech is strictly regulated.
Hey that is their choice and in many nations the restrictions I feel are completely understandable from a historical point of view. But do not fool yourself that they have more freedom of speech than the US does.
Where the Black Panthers good? Did MLK ever call them good or support them?
To go back to Nazi Germany the Nazis where often fighting the communists and anarchistics which where violent criminal groups that where out to destroy Germany's fledgling democracy. They where just as bad in a lot of ways as the Nazis where at the time.
The KKK got support and grew during reconstruction after the Civil War. After Lincolns death reconstruction took an ugly turn and some northern groups where bent on punishing the south. People in the South saw the KKK as a group that stood up for their rights and fought the carpet baggers. BTW thee was no need for the KKK to work to keep the African Americans down. Even after the war they where still treated unfairly in every state of the Union.
To not call out anon or even worse to call them good when they use evil tactics is to be on the side of Evil. Those tactics are not needed and should not be put up with much less called good!
I am all free speech but the actions of anon are anti free speech.
Think about the holocaust denying books and speakers. Is it better to allow the books to be published and the speakers speak and then legaly counter them with the the truth or calling a bomb threat to get their speaking engagements canceled or threated the companies that publish their books and or the stores that carry them?
That is the choice pick your side because it is good verses evil and that is my case that the tactics and actions of anon are evil.
What government official made a death threat? Remember that a to be an official they must be an official not a former one which makes them just so guy.
Plus let's us our brains. If the US government wanted him dead then they would say nothing. That is just dumb. They would even say positive things and then Mr Assange would have a tragic accident. Maybe food poisoning or a bad oyster.
I swear you people thing this US government is this all powerful evil entity that can do just about anything and at the same time make them as stupid as a Bond villain.
Yes Mr Assange I will kill you. But first I will make very public threats and then let you run around telling people that we threatened you....
Please at least cook up a good set of unreasonable fears.
Yes the people in the brown shirts could have been stopped by peaceful action. The people in the white sheets have been pushed to the fringes and are for the most part despised and powerless because of peaceful speeches.
Thing is that anon are the guys in white sheets and brown shirts. They think they are above the law. You know that reasonably fair court system we fought for so hard. Anyone that for any reason thinks they are above the law is no longer on the side team good.
Please they are bullies and thugs. They attack those that they do not like. Maybe they will go after me because I dared to poke them and say what I think of them. In that case are they still team good?
No sir. Do not fall for that. Trust me a lot of good people supported the Nazis because the Nazis where on team good because they where fighting the communists and others that where trying to destroy Germany. I am sure that many said the same thing that while they didn't like them they where better than the communists and the anarchists.
And yes someone will claim Goodwin but in this case several parallels are clear and those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
As long as we have laws and a legal system that works reasonably well anyone that acts as a thug to shout people down and hides their face is not on team good.
Only laws that unfair should be broken and they need to be broken in public and in a way for the people to see they are wrong. Look at MLK and Gandhi as examples. Or in this case judge Anon by there tactics not by your dislike of who they are fighting.
Yep and they don't get it. You should see the post that anon if they went to war would start blowing up stuff and taking out infrastructure. They fans live in a fantasy world.
It does.
You do know that the NSA has ties into every backbone carrier in the US right?
You do know that they can tap the data at will right?
Only a fool would think that the US couldn't take down not just the US internet but probably a good percentage of all the internet if need be. if the data is already flowing through those devices then only a fool would believe that those devices couldn't shut off that flow.
This kill switch is to allow the isolation of segments of the internet. Laws are already in place that allow the president to shut of connections with the rest of the world and have been since the 1930s.
What boggles my mind is the very idea that if the US government was at the point of rolling out tanks to stop protests in the street that a law would stop them from shutting off the Internet.
Anonymous good?
Is making death threats because you do not like someone is going to say at a conference good? Is heckling and yelling them down good? Funny but I have seen those actions in old news reels from the 30s and from old news stories from the 60s. The folks using those tactics where the ones in the brown shirts and the white sheets.
I don't think MLK or Gandhi ever made any death threats to people or hecked them when they presented papers at conferences. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure about that.
Since when is when someone says something you do agree with you make death threats been a sign of being good?
Anonymous is a gang of bullies. People often see bullies and thugs as heroes if they themselves do not ones being bullied. There are people that think the KKK are a bunch of brave freedom fighters.
Anonymous is no differn't right down to hiding their faces. And their fans do not like they people they are abusing.
Anonymous are those peoples brave Knights in white sheets.
Want to mess with the NSA, DOD, CIA, and FBI? People talk about when dealing with Anonymous that you shouldn't "poke the bear".
In this case if they want to go to war it would be wise to take a good look at the bears that Anonymous is poking. So this is war... The problem is they are starting a war with people that fight wars for a living and have real guns.
Across the world thousands of basements will soon be going dark.
Wow so Windows Phone 7 doesn't iwork as well with their own email and calendaring system as RIM's?
And Microsoft isn't ashamed of this and firing people left right and sideways because?
"1. lagging in features "multitasking, cut and paste, and custom ring tones."
those have been announced at MWC yesterday."
With multitasking not coming until October.
If it hasn't shipped it isn't real
For office intergeneration it may be nice but I just can not see using my phone to deal with a word document. For syncing notes and such I find Evernote to be extremely useful. You may or may not find the Office integration useful but frankly that is what a notebook is for.
No this is NOT Microsoft's first attempt at this market. The market is the Mobile market. the iPhone was Apples first attempt at the mobile phone market they did have the Newton PDA but that was a while ago. Microsoft produced WinCE/Windows Mobile as you put it a decade ago. They kept producing new versions of it and then Apple out of the blue came out and beat them. There reaction was first Windows Mobile 6 and them Windows Mobile 6.5. So not is a new versions of their attempt to do something in the mobile space. They have more experience than in the mobile space than Apple and Android. Only Palm has more than Microsoft. They where in the market for years when Apple just came out with a much better product and blew them away. They have had as long to adapt as Android and Palm and yet their response is still at best lack luster.
Microsoft might still do well because they will just keep throwing money at the market but they may also decide that this isn't a "Core" market and drop it or just let it limp along. As it is WP7 is really behind because the next thing in mobile is already here. Tablets look like they are going to be huge. Apple, Google, Blackberry and HP/Palm have all shown, or shipping, or are shipping tablets. Well in the case of Google there OS is shipping on tablets. And again Microsoft was playing with and pushing tablets for at least a decade with no real uptake. It is really just your classic case of Microsoft playing follow the leader again! They came out with the Zune which was at best an also ran to the iPod then when Apple came out with the iPod Touch and iPhone Microsoft shipped the ZuneHD which was a good competitor to the iPod but the market had moved on.
Now Microsoft ships a Phone OS would have been a good competitor to IOS V1 and maybe V2 but now is lagging them all.
Microsoft needs to produce a mobile OS that isn't as good as what it's competitors used to ship. At this point it can not even be given credit for a product as good as IOS, Android, and WebOS. As the largest software company in the world and after being in the Mobile market for more than 10 years anything less than the best is shameful. And as it stands they should be ashamed.
How was it better?
I am an android user myself and the lack of multitasking alone is enough to kill it for me.
Really what is better about it?
"The iPhone cost way more then 200-300 AND didn't come with CDMA at the start. Nokia also got plenty of cheap phones and that is in fact an area they do very well in being the top seller in poorer areas."
Not in the US.
"The N900 shipped with Maemo which is half the origin of Meego. So yes they shipped a phone and it sold very well indeed spending a lot of time being sold out."
It wasn't MeeGo was it? and how many did they sell? Really you are one of the most OCD fanboi's I have ever seen.
Nokia blew it because they didn't keep focus on Maemo or MeeGo or Symbian. They had not plan or focus that anybody could see.
They also have next to no presence in the US market. That is just dumb because it is a super profitable market to be in.
The US has almost as many people as the EU. It has a very large GNP. It has one language. It has four major carriers.
And yes since I was just talking about software all of Nokia's competitors are from North America and Android, IOS, and Blackberry have all done very well in the rest of the world as well.
Really I really want a good MeeGo phone on my carrier and at the same price as my HTC Evo. I love Linux but Nokia has been running around like a blind drunken sailor.
"Indeed, so that makes HTC, LG and Samsung you mention yourself North American companies?
I think their owners will be very suprised. So that is how Taiwan (HTC) is going for independence from China, they are going to be the 51st state, oh wait that is canada. So that is how WW3 is going to start. Good to know."
Those are just hardware makers. If you bothered to read I mentioned the products I was referencing. IOS, Android, WebOS, and RIM's OS. The actual hardware is pretty interchangeable at this point. Snapdragon at around 1 Ghz, big screen, and so on.
Nokia makes very good hardware but hardware without software is useless.
Really? Why?
What does Microsoft bring to the table for a smartphone OS?
The only strengths I see are XBox Live integration and the Zune Pass.
The weaknesses are
1. lagging in features "multitasking, cut and paste, and custom ring tones."
2. Small library of applications. Heck I bet WebOS still has more.
3. Limited carriers in the US. Even the IPhone now beats it on that score.
So why would anybody buy a WP7 device? Mobile Office? Do you really think you will use office on your phone?
For me the lack of good gmail integration is a big loss but then if someone lives and dies by Exchange then WP7 will go head to head with Blackberry and I am not sure that it is better than a Blackberry in that space.
I just do not see it as a contender at all. It looks like at this point in time to be an also ran at best and very feature incomplete.
Thing is people are pretending that this is Microsoft's first OS in the Mobile space. It isn't called WP7 for nothing folks.
Really how much stock do they control? Why do they think they can "fix" Nokia?
Nokia is in trouble and is loosing market share. They are just about absent in the US and while the US isn't the whole world it is a very big and very rich market.
Add in that Nokia just can not seem to come up with a plan. Symbian? It was/is a good OS but the UI has really lagged. MeeGo? Well where is it? Maybe it will really rock but they have not shipped a phone with it yet have they?
Nokia needs a really good phone with a really good OS and they need to ship it to the world including the US even if that means going CDMA. They need to have a hero device and it needs to be available from a US carrier and it needs to cost between $200 and $300 in the US to get traction here.
They also need good lower cost devices that can be down at the $100 to free range in the US. I am in the US so that is the market I know the best.
WP7 is so not on the radar in the US right now. It is really lagging in uptake and I do not see that changing. Then you have the fact that with WP7 Nokia will have the same OS and look and feel as phones from HTC, LG, and Samsung. Also the Nokia developer community will be forced to become part of the Microsoft Developers community. Nokia will become nothing but a shadow of it's self.
Yea I think this is a disaster but I am not sure Nokia can be saved from it's self. They really seemed to have just flat out abandoned the US market and then lost any sense of direction.
And yes you can say all that you want about how the US isn't the world but take a hard look. All of Nokia's competitors in the smartphone space come from North America and most of them from the US. Android, WebOS, IOS, and WP7 are all from the US. RIM is from Canada.
It is a mess but I doubt that going back to the same old same old will fix anything. Plus we do not know what deals have already been made. It may be impossible to undo.
Thanks for the info. Frankly I fear that WP7+Nokia is going to be a disaster. I would love to see a $199 Nokia MeeGo phone on Sprint in the US. Right now I use an HTC Evo 4G which I do really like but Nokia traditonaly builds good phones IE good call quality and has always been very interesting. I was tempted by the E71 but in the US it was on AT&T and I didn't want to jump on AT&T.
I think that is part of the problem in the US. Nokia doesn't want to deal with CDMA so it is locked out of the number one and number three carrier in the US. AT&T was all about the iPhone and TMobile is all about Android.
You can not even buy many low end Nokia phones through US carriers. Add in the US carriers really don't offer you any break for not having a subsidized phone and you can see the problem.
But I fear that WP7 will be a case of Nokia jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
No do they require root and what are they called?