True but when you are at a friends house you are in public. You do not have a legal expectation of privacy. But as you said you do not have the same expectation of privacy when you have a guest over and even less if you have a party. In legal terms you are in a private residence but you are not in private. There is no law saying that must keep what you see and hear when you are a guest private. AKA you have no legal protection from revelation from a guest.
'Buy a Nissan Leaf (like my own), and you may have to borrow a gas car or ride with a friend once in a while" Bingo. And that is the problem. Buy a brand new $30 and then have to rent a car or get a ride. That is a trade off most people are not willing to make.
EVs have many of the same wear items. AC compressors, wheel bearings, brake rotors, ball joints. Yes you do not have the transmission or engine issues but you still many other parts that will have to replaced over time. And yes you even have a cooling system for the battery to worry about.
Price, Range, Infrastructure. Even when Tesla has built out their superchargers you will only have a few in many states. I mean well under 10. You have to hunt down the charging stations. Even with the superchargers you have to take 20 minutes to charge your car. Only the Tesla is capable of being anything but a city car. As far as owners loving them. That is about the single most useless data point on the planet. This is a self selecting group of enthusiast. Lamborghini owners love there Lamborghinis but the average user would hate them. They are not roomy, not comfortable, many have terrible visibility, and so on. The people that buy electric cars really want electric cars. They accept the limited range and charging issues and are willing to pay a premium. AKA they are enthusiast.
The real issue is that drones like nukes where going to be developed. Once you reach a certain level in physics you know how an atomic bomb can work. Once you reach a certain level in computers a drone becomes possible. The simple truth is that a drone is just a cruise missile that drops the bomb and flies home to land.
"That could be considered libel, defamation, and/or blackmail if they're making a demand in exchange for not sending the pictures" If you make no demand and it is true it is not libel or defamation because it is true. Well if you have people over are you in private? If you are at someone else's home are you in private? You are at the mercy of judgment of others at that point so yes you are in public. A party is a classic example because their will be people you do not know and should not trust them. That is just the reality of the situation. If you are with people that are not your close family or close trusted friends you are in public.
So without the internet someone just mails pictures to your boss. You're in public so the act never was private. Let's just move from pot to crack. You smoke crack at a party. You know that it is illegal so you know that you could get into trouble by doing it. This is not a new idea or event.
Sweden's culture is also a good part of it. Over 3/4s of the population is Swedish. I mean Swedish going back centuries. The largest immigrant community is Finnish. A stable cultural base tends to make for among other things less crime. You can even see it in US. Areas with long term stable populations tend to have lower rates of crime. North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire all have very low rates of crime per population. This is not even about immigrants from other counties but move-ins from other states. You will find that on the whole crime is lower and education is better in the states where people do not tend to move in a lot or move out a lot. It would seem that a common sense of community identity reduces social problems. The problem is you can not really just create that.
Really just about anything you do in public is public. That is the way it has been for a long time. What the Internet has done is made the planet a small town. Smoke a joint at a party? You are doing it in public. This is not new. There was always a chance that someone would tell your boss, wife, or parents you where doing something that they would not approve of. The difference is it is just more likely.
For Apple 4.4 million is nothing. Yes it is going to increase it's tax burden but it's tax burden is still less than many small companies in the city. Think of it this way. How valuable would the PR be for Apple if they said," when Apple was not doing well the city helped us with tax breaks, we are doing great now so we are giving them back to the city."
"Under the new agreement, that rebate has been reduced to 35 percent, which based on 2012 tax revenues would mean the residents of Cupertino will pay Apple -- which recorded net sales of $156.5 billion during the last fiscal year, and has a cash hoard estimated at $100 billion -- only $4.4 million to stick around. It would have been $6.2 million under the old agreement. That's an extra $1.8 million for Cupertino, a city with only $51.4 million in projected general fund revenues this year, according to figures reported in the Los Angeles Times."
Really Apple Cupertino gave you a tax break when things where not going well for you. Now you are doing well you are still getting a 4.4 million dollar kickback! Come one and just pay your taxes. You would increase the general fund by around 8%. AKA just do the right thing.
The catch here is they are not talking about military drones. From the article. "You can walk all over [the Parrot AR Drone] with frequency-hopping spread spectrum... you can fly a radio plane near an AR drone and it will very quickly get packet loss," MacIntosh said." You can interfere with a toy.... And Slashdot tumbles farther down the FUD hole.
First of all this article is not even talking about Military drones! From the article. ""You can walk all over [the Parrot AR Drone] with frequency-hopping spread spectrum... you can fly a radio plane near an AR drone and it will very quickly get packet loss," MacIntosh said."
eww you can jam a toy.... Really Slashdot you are now the National Enquire.
Because no one has ever stopped spying. People are greedy, feel cheated, or feel they know better than there government what is right and wrong. Once you compromise someone then you have control. The US is more into technical means. AKA sigint, comint, and photoint. Why do Germany and Brazil not stop it? They really do not want to. They get intel from the US when we see fit to share with them. If they get too nasty we shut off the tap. People need to just understand that this is just business as usual. Even back to the 1900s if you sent a cable overseas it would be tapped by the government. Back in the day even companies used code to send cables because you never knew who else the operator was working for. Does no one in the world read history? Do you really think that the UK only started to try and decode German messages after the war started? Or that the US only started to decode Japanese messages after Pearl Harbor? Do you not think that the UK listened in on US, French, Italian, and Spanish communications whenever it could? What gets me is that people somehow thought that things had changed.
They could but it would not be as accurate in the US. Yea I do not see any need for this. They could just send us the equipment and the US could send the corrections to them. I am sure Raytheon would be glad to do it for a fee. Yea and as far as repairing relations with Putian? Ahhh no.
Enviro means environment. statists means unchanging. It means someone that has the mistaken idea that the environment should not change. An environmentalist is someone that believes that one should do as little harm to the environment as possible. An enviro statist would not want controlled burns and would want any fires fought. There are people like that. They also want to ban airplanes from overflying national parks even at altitude or using a helicopter to bring in say building supplies for maintenance at nation parks. An environmentalist does not want people leaving trash in national parks or building roads through wetlands. As to being obese what does that have to do with my statement true or otherwise? The moron part well since your comment has nothing of value and is noise I suggest that you might reframe from commenting until you have something to say of value and are willing to put your nick up with it.
If they have time to work on Loon please tell them. To fix maps. I really want to have the option to search along a route. Send a route that I hand edit to my phone from the Web. And use GPX files with navigator. Stop pretending you do not own Motorola. The MotoX is a great phone but you need to really put a top notch screen on it and the battery from the razor. And a really good camera. Apple has one and WP8 has one. Put KitKat on my Galaxy Nexus... Yes I know it has OMAP but that was your choice. More Google Fiber please. Come on Google. A Google TV that also plays console games. The Ouya done right with the full play store. Include USB 3.0 ports so you can use it as a NAS and or for home automation. Mainly for home automation but having the option of it being a NAS is cool. Why USB 3 for home automation? So you can add a ZWave, Zigbee, or what ever else comes along. Oh and Google how about this Google+ Craigslist. Seems like a great idea to add classifieds to Google+ I hate searching through Craigs list and I know Google could do a better job. Think of getting up and using Google Now by saying. Show me all the garage sales that have tools near me? And open an office in Tradition Florida's research park and hire me.:)
Actually you are over reacting and not reading what he said. He said nothing about environmentalists. Here is what he said, "Enviro-statists suck; stop voting for them." I also think he is a bit off. There is a problem with people fighting controlled burns an a much bigger one in the past. People like lush green forests and hate to see them burn. To set them on fire really drives a lot of people nuts. That being said controlled burns are used and with good effect in many areas. The problems with controlled burns are in the very areas you mentioned. Near cities. Fire is scary and controlled burns do not always stay controlled. People that live on the edge of cities do not like black burned forests because they are ugly.
As to Australia and there firestorms and fires? So what? I mean it is Australia and everything in the country is trying to kill you anyway. You know that even the imported bunny rabbits will eventually evolve into a venomous animal. Just kidding but yes you guys have some real problems with fires.
Please stop using the Tea Party as judas goat for everything that you do not agree with. No I am not a Tea Party fan but I know people that are. They are nice people with kids that work hard and feel they are getting shafted by the government. They are not all stupid or evil and none of them I know want to ban controlled burns or want to destroy the environment. The worst way to have a dialog is making a villain out of those that disagree with you. You will get a lot of likes on Slashdot buy invoking the Tea Party but you will not change anyones mind or even get them to look at your point of view. \
I think towers can work because well they do. Walk outside with your smartphone and you will see that it does. The range issue will be limited with towers to the power of the remote device. If you do not target cell phone level devices and go with fixed sites then you can get much larger coverage area from a tower. "My point: The Project Loon team knows a lot more about this than either of us, and their take is that it might be impossible, but so far it actually looks like it will work."
I do not like the don't question, trust us route. They probably do know a lot more than us. That does not mean that they might let their excitement over the potential carry them away.
The overflight problem well be an issue. Not just for "hostile" nations but for every nation. Now do they know that the loons are not sigint systems for the US? It could be mapping every radar location in a nation. The US will not like them overflying some bases like Groom Lake or China Lake. They will also have to have transponders so they can be tracked for space launches. Can you imagine the grief if a launch has to scrubbed because of a Loon overflight? A person that grew up reading Popular Science I have to say that this looks like one of those cover stories that end up never happening.
I am glad that they know that it may be impractical. Loon may make for much better weather balloons and even help with emergency communications during natural disasters. It could even be used for Earth Sensing missions. I can also the military using it but for bringing internet to the 3rd world? I guess I am with Bill Gates on this, water, food, medicine, roads, power, and schools all are more important that the internet people living in those conditions. Loon is a valid research project but I doubt I will see it ever in wide spread use. That being said it is a valid research project and I could be wrong. I would bet that I am right but still stranger things could happen.
"But you need to land to put the tower on, plus a 120m tower is a lot more expensive than a balloon." Yes but the cost of land in the third world is low and yes a ballon is less expansive but one day?
"And then you also have to worry about hardening the package against weather, keeping the towers from being hit by airplanes, etc. Extreme-altitude balloons avoid all of that." Again I am talking about the 3rd world. 120m is not a very tall tower and aircraft rarely fly that low except to take off and land. In aviation there is an old saying, speed is life, altitude is life. Also you just put a strobe on it. And yes you will have to worry about weather and aircraft with the loons. As for aircraft the loons can not just magically go to high altitude. It will have to rise through the level where aircraft and weather are very common.
Don't forget the cost of the ground stations, the staff to launch and recover the loons, the liability if you drop a card table sized solar panel on someones head, and so on. You will need a lot of those loons to cover an area because they move. The on problem with the towers you did not mention is the human issue. Security. How do you keep people from tearing them up. Maybe it will work but I think it is a grand plan that will not see the light of day. There is a company that does the same thing in the midwest but cover a smaller area and are highly specialized and serve the oil industry. I am still shocked that they are cheaper than an iridium modem or satellite internet.
Wow... So stop using all google products.. Sorry but Google provides good services and pays for them with advertising. It is no different than radio or Television was before they started the government mandated double dipping with the cable companies. Truth is that I do not think we will ever see those loons in service. The costs will be way too high for it work to bring internet to the masses. For one thing the transmitters are to low power. They say that each of them can cover a 40km diameter area. The life of site range for a transmitter at 20km the line of site range is over 500km! So you are being limited by the power available. You only need an altitude of around 120 meters to cover the same area and that is a not all that large tower. A mesh of large towers would probably be cheaper in the long term and provide better coverage. Plus what about the recovery of the electronics packages? Not all of them will land where they want it to. Add in the costs of He unless they go to Hydrogen to fill them. This is interesting but unlikely to be more than a pipe dream. The start up costs will be less but the long term costs will be more.
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You do realize that most people that drive an ev own them don't you?
True but when you are at a friends house you are in public. You do not have a legal expectation of privacy. But as you said you do not have the same expectation of privacy when you have a guest over and even less if you have a party. In legal terms you are in a private residence but you are not in private. There is no law saying that must keep what you see and hear when you are a guest private. AKA you have no legal protection from revelation from a guest.
'Buy a Nissan Leaf (like my own), and you may have to borrow a gas car or ride with a friend once in a while"
Bingo. And that is the problem. Buy a brand new $30 and then have to rent a car or get a ride. That is a trade off most people are not willing to make.
EVs have many of the same wear items. AC compressors, wheel bearings, brake rotors, ball joints. Yes you do not have the transmission or engine issues but you still many other parts that will have to replaced over time. And yes you even have a cooling system for the battery to worry about.
Price, Range, Infrastructure. Even when Tesla has built out their superchargers you will only have a few in many states. I mean well under 10. You have to hunt down the charging stations. Even with the superchargers you have to take 20 minutes to charge your car. Only the Tesla is capable of being anything but a city car.
As far as owners loving them. That is about the single most useless data point on the planet. This is a self selecting group of enthusiast. Lamborghini owners love there Lamborghinis but the average user would hate them. They are not roomy, not comfortable, many have terrible visibility, and so on. The people that buy electric cars really want electric cars. They accept the limited range and charging issues and are willing to pay a premium. AKA they are enthusiast.
The real issue is that drones like nukes where going to be developed. Once you reach a certain level in physics you know how an atomic bomb can work. Once you reach a certain level in computers a drone becomes possible. The simple truth is that a drone is just a cruise missile that drops the bomb and flies home to land.
"That could be considered libel, defamation, and/or blackmail if they're making a demand in exchange for not sending the pictures" If you make no demand and it is true it is not libel or defamation because it is true.
Well if you have people over are you in private? If you are at someone else's home are you in private? You are at the mercy of judgment of others at that point so yes you are in public. A party is a classic example because their will be people you do not know and should not trust them. That is just the reality of the situation. If you are with people that are not your close family or close trusted friends you are in public.
So without the internet someone just mails pictures to your boss. You're in public so the act never was private. Let's just move from pot to crack. You smoke crack at a party. You know that it is illegal so you know that you could get into trouble by doing it. This is not a new idea or event.
Sweden's culture is also a good part of it. Over 3/4s of the population is Swedish. I mean Swedish going back centuries. The largest immigrant community is Finnish. A stable cultural base tends to make for among other things less crime. You can even see it in US. Areas with long term stable populations tend to have lower rates of crime. North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire all have very low rates of crime per population.
This is not even about immigrants from other counties but move-ins from other states. You will find that on the whole crime is lower and education is better in the states where people do not tend to move in a lot or move out a lot. It would seem that a common sense of community identity reduces social problems.
The problem is you can not really just create that.
Really just about anything you do in public is public. That is the way it has been for a long time. What the Internet has done is made the planet a small town.
Smoke a joint at a party? You are doing it in public. This is not new. There was always a chance that someone would tell your boss, wife, or parents you where doing something that they would not approve of. The difference is it is just more likely.
I have to wonder why AOL bought ICQ and WinAMP. Did any of ICQ end up in AIM?
For Apple 4.4 million is nothing. Yes it is going to increase it's tax burden but it's tax burden is still less than many small companies in the city. Think of it this way. How valuable would the PR be for Apple if they said," when Apple was not doing well the city helped us with tax breaks, we are doing great now so we are giving them back to the city."
"Under the new agreement, that rebate has been reduced to 35 percent, which based on 2012 tax revenues would mean the residents of Cupertino will pay Apple -- which recorded net sales of $156.5 billion during the last fiscal year, and has a cash hoard estimated at $100 billion -- only $4.4 million to stick around. It would have been $6.2 million under the old agreement. That's an extra $1.8 million for Cupertino, a city with only $51.4 million in projected general fund revenues this year, according to figures reported in the Los Angeles Times."
Really Apple Cupertino gave you a tax break when things where not going well for you. Now you are doing well you are still getting a 4.4 million dollar kickback! Come one and just pay your taxes. You would increase the general fund by around 8%.
AKA just do the right thing.
The catch here is they are not talking about military drones. ... you can fly a radio plane near an AR drone and it will very quickly get packet loss," MacIntosh said."
From the article.
"You can walk all over [the Parrot AR Drone] with frequency-hopping spread spectrum
You can interfere with a toy.... And Slashdot tumbles farther down the FUD hole.
First of all this article is not even talking about Military drones! ... you can fly a radio plane near an AR drone and it will very quickly get packet loss," MacIntosh said."
From the article.
""You can walk all over [the Parrot AR Drone] with frequency-hopping spread spectrum
eww you can jam a toy.... Really Slashdot you are now the National Enquire.
Because no one has ever stopped spying. People are greedy, feel cheated, or feel they know better than there government what is right and wrong. Once you compromise someone then you have control.
The US is more into technical means. AKA sigint, comint, and photoint. Why do Germany and Brazil not stop it? They really do not want to. They get intel from the US when we see fit to share with them. If they get too nasty we shut off the tap. People need to just understand that this is just business as usual. Even back to the 1900s if you sent a cable overseas it would be tapped by the government. Back in the day even companies used code to send cables because you never knew who else the operator was working for.
Does no one in the world read history? Do you really think that the UK only started to try and decode German messages after the war started? Or that the US only started to decode Japanese messages after Pearl Harbor? Do you not think that the UK listened in on US, French, Italian, and Spanish communications whenever it could?
What gets me is that people somehow thought that things had changed.
They could but it would not be as accurate in the US. Yea I do not see any need for this. They could just send us the equipment and the US could send the corrections to them. I am sure Raytheon would be glad to do it for a fee.
Yea and as far as repairing relations with Putian? Ahhh no.
Enviro means environment. statists means unchanging. It means someone that has the mistaken idea that the environment should not change. An environmentalist is someone that believes that one should do as little harm to the environment as possible.
An enviro statist would not want controlled burns and would want any fires fought. There are people like that. They also want to ban airplanes from overflying national parks even at altitude or using a helicopter to bring in say building supplies for maintenance at nation parks.
An environmentalist does not want people leaving trash in national parks or building roads through wetlands.
As to being obese what does that have to do with my statement true or otherwise? The moron part well since your comment has nothing of value and is noise I suggest that you might reframe from commenting until you have something to say of value and are willing to put your nick up with it.
If they have time to work on Loon please tell them. :)
To fix maps. I really want to have the option to search along a route. Send a route that I hand edit to my phone from the Web. And use GPX files with navigator.
Stop pretending you do not own Motorola. The MotoX is a great phone but you need to really put a top notch screen on it and the battery from the razor. And a really good camera. Apple has one and WP8 has one.
Put KitKat on my Galaxy Nexus... Yes I know it has OMAP but that was your choice.
More Google Fiber please.
Come on Google. A Google TV that also plays console games. The Ouya done right with the full play store. Include USB 3.0 ports so you can use it as a NAS and or for home automation. Mainly for home automation but having the option of it being a NAS is cool. Why USB 3 for home automation? So you can add a ZWave, Zigbee, or what ever else comes along.
Oh and Google how about this Google+ Craigslist. Seems like a great idea to add classifieds to Google+ I hate searching through Craigs list and I know Google could do a better job. Think of getting up and using Google Now by saying. Show me all the garage sales that have tools near me?
And open an office in Tradition Florida's research park and hire me.
What could it hurt? Maybe it would mutate them in cuddly safe critters that sing every sunrise and sunset.
Actually you are over reacting and not reading what he said. He said nothing about environmentalists.
Here is what he said, "Enviro-statists suck; stop voting for them."
I also think he is a bit off. There is a problem with people fighting controlled burns an a much bigger one in the past. People like lush green forests and hate to see them burn. To set them on fire really drives a lot of people nuts. That being said controlled burns are used and with good effect in many areas. The problems with controlled burns are in the very areas you mentioned. Near cities. Fire is scary and controlled burns do not always stay controlled. People that live on the edge of cities do not like black burned forests because they are ugly.
As to Australia and there firestorms and fires? So what? I mean it is Australia and everything in the country is trying to kill you anyway. You know that even the imported bunny rabbits will eventually evolve into a venomous animal. Just kidding but yes you guys have some real problems with fires.
Please stop using the Tea Party as judas goat for everything that you do not agree with. No I am not a Tea Party fan but I know people that are. They are nice people with kids that work hard and feel they are getting shafted by the government. They are not all stupid or evil and none of them I know want to ban controlled burns or want to destroy the environment. The worst way to have a dialog is making a villain out of those that disagree with you. You will get a lot of likes on Slashdot buy invoking the Tea Party but you will not change anyones mind or even get them to look at your point of view. \
I think towers can work because well they do. Walk outside with your smartphone and you will see that it does. The range issue will be limited with towers to the power of the remote device. If you do not target cell phone level devices and go with fixed sites then you can get much larger coverage area from a tower.
"My point: The Project Loon team knows a lot more about this than either of us, and their take is that it might be impossible, but so far it actually looks like it will work."
I do not like the don't question, trust us route. They probably do know a lot more than us. That does not mean that they might let their excitement over the potential carry them away.
The overflight problem well be an issue. Not just for "hostile" nations but for every nation. Now do they know that the loons are not sigint systems for the US? It could be mapping every radar location in a nation. The US will not like them overflying some bases like Groom Lake or China Lake. They will also have to have transponders so they can be tracked for space launches. Can you imagine the grief if a launch has to scrubbed because of a Loon overflight? A person that grew up reading Popular Science I have to say that this looks like one of those cover stories that end up never happening.
I am glad that they know that it may be impractical. Loon may make for much better weather balloons and even help with emergency communications during natural disasters. It could even be used for Earth Sensing missions. I can also the military using it but for bringing internet to the 3rd world? I guess I am with Bill Gates on this, water, food, medicine, roads, power, and schools all are more important that the internet people living in those conditions.
Loon is a valid research project but I doubt I will see it ever in wide spread use. That being said it is a valid research project and I could be wrong. I would bet that I am right but still stranger things could happen.
Actually per capita the US is like number 3 and China is much lower. How come Australia never gets the guilt trip?
"But you need to land to put the tower on, plus a 120m tower is a lot more expensive than a balloon."
Yes but the cost of land in the third world is low and yes a ballon is less expansive but one day?
"And then you also have to worry about hardening the package against weather, keeping the towers from being hit by airplanes, etc. Extreme-altitude balloons avoid all of that."
Again I am talking about the 3rd world. 120m is not a very tall tower and aircraft rarely fly that low except to take off and land. In aviation there is an old saying, speed is life, altitude is life. Also you just put a strobe on it. And yes you will have to worry about weather and aircraft with the loons. As for aircraft the loons can not just magically go to high altitude. It will have to rise through the level where aircraft and weather are very common.
Don't forget the cost of the ground stations, the staff to launch and recover the loons, the liability if you drop a card table sized solar panel on someones head, and so on. You will need a lot of those loons to cover an area because they move.
The on problem with the towers you did not mention is the human issue. Security. How do you keep people from tearing them up.
Maybe it will work but I think it is a grand plan that will not see the light of day. There is a company that does the same thing in the midwest but cover a smaller area and are highly specialized and serve the oil industry. I am still shocked that they are cheaper than an iridium modem or satellite internet.
Wow... So stop using all google products..
Sorry but Google provides good services and pays for them with advertising. It is no different than radio or Television was before they started the government mandated double dipping with the cable companies.
Truth is that I do not think we will ever see those loons in service. The costs will be way too high for it work to bring internet to the masses. For one thing the transmitters are to low power. They say that each of them can cover a 40km diameter area. The life of site range for a transmitter at 20km the line of site range is over 500km! So you are being limited by the power available. You only need an altitude of around 120 meters to cover the same area and that is a not all that large tower. A mesh of large towers would probably be cheaper in the long term and provide better coverage.
Plus what about the recovery of the electronics packages? Not all of them will land where they want it to. Add in the costs of He unless they go to Hydrogen to fill them. This is interesting but unlikely to be more than a pipe dream. The start up costs will be less but the long term costs will be more.