Exactly. Your focus should be on commercial. That is why we have government agencies. Let them do the hack back, criminal investigation or whatever they deem appropriate. You still will need to provide the logs, just like you would need to provide the video surveillance if they broke into your business.
People buy locks to deter people from walking into their house uninvited. People buy fences to keep people out of their property. This is why we have have authentication challenges on the internet. Its not a hack unless they break in. I'm glad your authentication scheme works. It sounds like you may need to think about your log files if they are filling up. Large log files is one of the costs of doing business on the internet.
No legal challenge is free.
This is exactly why this should be left to the FBI when it comes to hacking back.
-- "Tonight the Great Pumpkin will rise out of the pumpkin patch. He flies through the air and brings toys to all the children of the world." - Linus
What you are describing is a DDOS attack, and that is not being hacked. Cloudflare may be able to help you with some of this.
Here are multiple definitions of "hacking", as it refers to a computer: Cyber Law DefinitionComputer hacking refers to the practice of modifying or altering computer software and hardware to accomplish a goal that is considered to be outside of the creator's original objective. Those individuals who engage in computer hacking activities are typically referred to as “hackers.” Wikipedia Definition...someone who breaches defenses in a computer system...
You are right. The FBI is not going to take a 3GB log file and do the work for you. You need to point them to the relative data. If you don't want to do the work, you can hire someone to work through it with you. You should be redacting your data before you give it to anyone; you should never just turn over 3GB of logs to anyone.
I think you have made the case as to why this needs to be left up to an agency tasked with this type of work.
-- "I'm just a cricket singing my way from hearth to hearth, but let me tell you what made me change my mind" - Jiminy Cricket
Half of the country thinks safe spaces are for the other guy. There are a whole lot of folks that don't seem to get creeped out by the rest of the world all up in their lives. I am going to leave them an entire porch to leave packages on myself.
Any time a foreign adversary attacks our interests in a way meant to disrupt our society, that is an act of war. It may be a propaganda war, but its war. They have installed a Russian firewall similar to the Chinese firewall so as to not have the same thing done to them.
Free speech is a right we give ourselves in the constitution. The Constitution does not apply to other countries. They have zero right to free speech in our country when it originates on their soil.
Piracy levels the forces of regulation in any industry. Anyone that sells products that can be pirated or knocked off, knows this well. Its not a fun market force to play against as a business. The reality is that the market will always win. Netflix and HULU are products of these market forces playing out.
You aren't part of the investigation, and its not over so there is no conclusion.
The Russians taking out ads to target divisions in our society is an attack. It happened on our Cyber infrastructure. It can therefore be said it was a "Cyber Attack."
Voting machines not online... are you suggesting they can't be attacked? I've found offline machines are usually more susceptible to a coordinated attack.
The investigation is not about left or the right. The investigation into Russia started in early 2016. It doesn't matter who is president, the FBI investigates. The only difference is that you would have folks on the other side jumping on the bandwagon and having their news organization play it 24/7.
We don't rush any investigations for the sake of the peanut gallery. Learning how propaganda affected our institutions is not a waste of our time.
Just because you don't like whats on your news, doesn't mean the news is partisan. If you have a strong reaction to it, it may mean you are.
The KGB and Kremlin have been doing this forever. For the most part, we took control of the media in the sense that no foreign adversaries were able to poke through on a large scale.
With the advent of the internet, all the walls were dropped and they were able to ramp up.
Nothing has changed about their strategy other then its now digital.
Propaganda changes people's minds and votes all the time by it's very nature. The best part about using it is the first and only response by many is "It's a farce." The super best part is your targets will argue that point for you.
Seems like smart would have been to either obtain the quiz questions OR to change your grades only once every semester. Attacking both sides of the system makes way too much noise.
I clearly said Russian troll talking point. It appears you are saying/. posters are spewing the propaganda. Hmm... It appears you are thinking now, just slightly. Good Morning America!
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Exactly. Your focus should be on commercial. That is why we have government agencies. Let them do the hack back, criminal investigation or whatever they deem appropriate. You still will need to provide the logs, just like you would need to provide the video surveillance if they broke into your business.
People buy locks to deter people from walking into their house uninvited. People buy fences to keep people out of their property. This is why we have have authentication challenges on the internet. Its not a hack unless they break in. I'm glad your authentication scheme works. It sounds like you may need to think about your log files if they are filling up. Large log files is one of the costs of doing business on the internet.
No legal challenge is free.
This is exactly why this should be left to the FBI when it comes to hacking back.
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"Tonight the Great Pumpkin will rise out of the pumpkin patch. He flies through the air and brings toys to all the children of the world." - Linus
What you are describing is a DDOS attack, and that is not being hacked. Cloudflare may be able to help you with some of this.
Here are multiple definitions of "hacking", as it refers to a computer:
Cyber Law DefinitionComputer hacking refers to the practice of modifying or altering computer software and hardware to accomplish a goal that is considered to be outside of the creator's original objective. Those individuals who engage in computer hacking activities are typically referred to as “hackers.”
Wikipedia Definition...someone who breaches defenses in a computer system...
You are right. The FBI is not going to take a 3GB log file and do the work for you. You need to point them to the relative data. If you don't want to do the work, you can hire someone to work through it with you. You should be redacting your data before you give it to anyone; you should never just turn over 3GB of logs to anyone.
I think you have made the case as to why this needs to be left up to an agency tasked with this type of work.
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"I'm just a cricket singing my way from hearth to hearth, but let me tell you what made me change my mind" - Jiminy Cricket
Regular people can start a corporation in most states in the U.S. in less than 10 minutes.
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"Would you like them in a tree?" - Sam-I-Am
You call the FBI.
You're not being "hacked" 1000 times a day because someone tried a new ID/PW combo, or ran a script of known vulnerabilities, or changed a URL.
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"I will not like them Sam-I-Am" - Unknown
Interesting conundrum. Thanks for the link.
We're seeing it happen, and its been great. Small business is back, and folks know where the dairy farm is now.
I don't want the Amazon delivery person doing anything more than dropping the package off and running.
"I'm late, I'm late" - White Rabbit
Its not different. Many people don't care about anything unless it affects them directly.
Half of the country thinks safe spaces are for the other guy. There are a whole lot of folks that don't seem to get creeped out by the rest of the world all up in their lives. I am going to leave them an entire porch to leave packages on myself.
Interesting point. Is this the beginning of have it delivered in your home, or we don't wan't to hear about your stolen goods?
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"Smithers" - M. Burns
By your logic, Facebook shouldn't even have an office.
Any time a foreign adversary attacks our interests in a way meant to disrupt our society, that is an act of war. It may be a propaganda war, but its war. They have installed a Russian firewall similar to the Chinese firewall so as to not have the same thing done to them.
Free speech is a right we give ourselves in the constitution. The Constitution does not apply to other countries. They have zero right to free speech in our country when it originates on their soil.
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"No Branch!" - Poppi, Trolls
Piracy levels the forces of regulation in any industry. Anyone that sells products that can be pirated or knocked off, knows this well. Its not a fun market force to play against as a business. The reality is that the market will always win. Netflix and HULU are products of these market forces playing out.
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"Beam me up Scotty" - Captain Kirk
You aren't part of the investigation, and its not over so there is no conclusion.
The Russians taking out ads to target divisions in our society is an attack. It happened on our Cyber infrastructure. It can therefore be said it was a "Cyber Attack."
Voting machines not online... are you suggesting they can't be attacked? I've found offline machines are usually more susceptible to a coordinated attack.
The investigation is not about left or the right. The investigation into Russia started in early 2016. It doesn't matter who is president, the FBI investigates. The only difference is that you would have folks on the other side jumping on the bandwagon and having their news organization play it 24/7.
We don't rush any investigations for the sake of the peanut gallery. Learning how propaganda affected our institutions is not a waste of our time.
Just because you don't like whats on your news, doesn't mean the news is partisan. If you have a strong reaction to it, it may mean you are.
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"No Branch!" - Poppi, Trolls
The KGB and Kremlin have been doing this forever. For the most part, we took control of the media in the sense that no foreign adversaries were able to poke through on a large scale.
With the advent of the internet, all the walls were dropped and they were able to ramp up.
Nothing has changed about their strategy other then its now digital.
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"Those Silly Russians" - Eric Kotara
Yup. We would still investigate, only the other partisans would join in and put it on their news channel.
Propaganda changes people's minds and votes all the time by it's very nature. The best part about using it is the first and only response by many is "It's a farce." The super best part is your targets will argue that point for you.
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"It's raining and it's cold" - El Perro
If the plan was to not advertise it, and sell it to the "savvy" customer, it worked apparently.
Seems like smart would have been to either obtain the quiz questions OR to change your grades only once every semester. Attacking both sides of the system makes way too much noise.
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"What's up doc?!" - B. Bunny
I clearly said Russian troll talking point. It appears you are saying /. posters are spewing the propaganda. Hmm... It appears you are thinking now, just slightly. Good Morning America!
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"No Branch" - Poppi, Trolls
Daylight Savings has a bit of twang to it, as in, "Wez iz savings sum daylight"
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"Time Out!" - Mom
Once this is easy and cheap, governments around the world will be using this en masse.
Completely scary that mind reading is about to become mainstream. Lie detector tests are going to seem quaint very soon.
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"A lie that is half-truth is the darkest of all lies.” -- Google, Aphroism's about lies
Looking through these comments, I think every single Russian misinformation point has now been posted by some AC.
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"No Branch" - Poppi, Trolls
The US has done this all over the world. Talk with Iran. Talk with Grenada. Talk with Guatemala. The list goes on.
Russia won't allow any of this in their country. They've banned this stuff on Facebook internally because of this.
This is one of the main reasons the Chinese have "The Chinese Firewall."