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Most Amazon Prime Subscribers Say They Don't Want To Buy the Amazon Key That Lets Delivery People Into Their Homes (recode.net)
A reader shares a report: Next week, Amazon will start delivering packages straight into Americans' homes, using a smart lock and camera device called Amazon Key. But will anyone bother paying for what seems like an invasive service? Most wouldn't. About 58 percent of people who have Amazon Prime definitely would not buy Amazon Key, according to a SurveyMonkey poll done on behalf of Recode. That's only slightly less than the 61 percent of all U.S. adults who wouldn't buy the product, suggesting it's broadly unattractive, regardless of whether people are Amazon customers. Among Prime subscribers, only 5 percent said they would definitely buy Amazon Key. Of all U.S. shoppers, even less -- 4 percent -- said they would. Nearly 60 percent of the respondents have Prime subscriptions.
Just wait until this fucking thing is cracked. Amazon stock will drop 150 points in a day.
We got two Amazon stories back to back. Can we get a third Amazon story to go with these two?
I mean, they're not generally stupid.....Do all the people at Amazon working on this "solution" freely admit strangers into their homes when they are away?
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I am surprised it is only 58%. I'd have expected higher. I know that as a Prime customer I'd never consider. Hell, I'm selling my house right now and despite that they are bonded and there are huge fines for misuse I don't like the lock box with my house key in it. Not a direct comparison, I know, since almost all of my stuff is gone and I've already bought a new home. Still, I'm surprised that 42% are okay with a delivery person having even one time access to their home.
I'll bet that most people thinking this haven't even looked at how Amazon has set this up.
Camera records everything.
Deliveryman doesn't have key & can't get in any time he wants.
Customer gets a really nice wifi & phone controlled lock.
If someone really wants to break into your house, they'll just use a fucking brick. Off camera as well.
The service is setup so Amazon unlocks the doors, the delivery person puts your package down just inside the door, and he closes the door. All on camera. If he goes off camera, he's fired. It's really that simple.
Amazon has done a pretty good job of thinking this through. I know I shouldn't be surprised when people comment about shit without reading about it first, but I still am.
If people don't want it, they won't buy it. If they want to try it (like everything all the Slashdot Luddites gnash teeth about), then they will, regardless of what you say.
I like to think Amazon isn't entering into this stupidly, and has done some research about the safety. Either way, people leave keys out for dog walkers and home cleaners ALL THE TIME, this is just a tech version of that. But honestly, the market will decide on this one, and no one is making you do anything.
Those aren't my drugs, they were stashed there by a rogue Amazon employee.
But I could see this actually being a big advantage for some people. What if you live in a place where packages get stolen from your door step, or apartments where you might have a similar situation.
Should the only thing a company sells be something that most people buy? Kiss all those niche market items goodbye, then.
I have no interest letting a delivery person into my private space.
Even if there were serious controls around the reliability and safety of these individuals, there's a big difference even between letting a virtual stranger drive me somewhere and allowing them into my potentially unsecured personal possessions. As it is I don't trust unregulated ride sharing companies, why would I trust deliveries from Amazon to access my property?
How is Amazon going to prevent these delivery personnel from taking five-finger discounts of my stuff, poisoning my cat, or sleeping in my bed on a break?
Put in a keyed "doggie door" to push the package through. Or use a locked front porch.
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And if the package is lost, I am not responsible for it. Best of both worlds and no need for the Amazon key.
With Amazon's 80+ million Prime subscribers in the US, if the 5% that said they would "definitely buy" Amazon Key did, that's still 4 million users. Not a bad start...
If 42% of customers are considering it then it'll be a bigger success than I would've guessed. I'm weirded out enough by the idea of the Echo without having Amazon let people into my house, but I guess this appears to have more value than I'd have guessed. Maybe urban folks would find it useful since packages might grow legs more easily?
Remember when the police were paying Best Buy employees to inform on Geek Squad customers? I think that history shows there is no way you can grant low-lever worker bees unfettered ability to invade your privacy. Even NSA contractors who are relatively well paid, vetted, and know they're monitored can't resist the urge to abuse their power for personal benefit even when it's as petty as a few cheap laughs.
You have your laptop lying around and rush off to work. You come home and it's gone.
You call the cops....etc .....etc .... and accusations....and denials.....
What are you going to do? You have no proof and you did GIVE access to Amazon. You think your insurance company is gonna pay?
Let's say the Amazon employee/contractor admits to taking the laptop. Now what?
This is one big can worms that I would NEVER open.
With all the consumer products that have little back doors and 'oopsies' in regards to security, how on Earth did they ever think this would work? I'm not a security researcher, but I'm willing to bet that these will be cracked open in days by various white or black hat hackers. And you know that government agencies will be prying into them in no time.
So at a price of $250, and a camera for another $120, this is a 370% 'no' item. And I get EVERYTHING on Amazon.
If it was free, AND I had some kind of room at the front of my house with another, stronger locked door on the inside, I'd consider it.
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I've never locked my front door. I didn't even have a proper key for some of the places I've lived. Other than raccoons opening the back door I've never had any unwanted guests. What percentage of slashdot users live in neighbourhoods so unsafe you have to lock your house?
I wonder if Amazon will change the default admin username/password for the system before giving it to the home user. If there's one thing we should have learned by now, the end user definitely doesn't follow best security practices.
It was marketed backwards. It should have been sold as an Amazon branded security system first and then as a way to deliver packages second. $250 for a smart lock front door and a security camera is a bit high but not too bad. Paying $250 so Amazon can drop off packages inside your home, not so much.
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Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaally? Do they really not? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Btw seriously one dog gets let out or attacks the delivery person's hand and you've got legal issues, Amazon.
You obviously didn't order a video camera using Alexa or you would have proof on camera.
Yes, office security for being an Amazon customer. Maybe a security guard to oversee what the Amazon guy is doing.
If I can install a lockbox or chest that could be remotely unlocked, I'd be all for it. Why do they need to enter my home if all they want is to securely drop off package?
where you'd leave your wet cloths after walking in from the rain/snow. There were two doors, one to get into the foyer and another to get into the house. I'm assuming that's the sort of folks this would be for.
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I am cheering this as a failure. I wouldn't trust a complete stranger in my home, especially while I am not there.
Just ship me a nice sturdy box that I can anchor to the ground or to my driveway, and the Amazon delivery person can use their code to drop the packages off in that.
I might do it.
Granted I would build a mud/package room that would be a front door before my front door - think of it as an airlock. Someone else is talking about doing this also, was it Walmart? I would put a fridge out there too so they could stock that, but they wouldn't get in my house, they would get into my mud room. Worth they could steal would be well worn boots or the six pack delivered by the OTHER service.
The fun thing - building "OR Gate" locks so that Amazon, Walmart, whoever else has this service so that unlocking any one lock opens the door, but it's still locked when they close it back.
Look, at one point I lived in an old apartment building in Seattle which had these little cupboards next to each door, about 3 foot by 2 foot, with another door only the apartment dweller could open.
Found out they were icebox doors so the ice wagon could deliver ice to each house but not open them. Before that, I used to deliver papers as a boy and some houses had these boxes next to the front door you could put papers in, and then close (but not open again). These were for newspapers.
Why doesn't Amazon do the same thing?
It's the "have a key to let you in" that freaks people out. Amazon just needs to allow people to put stuff and then LOCK IT after stuff is put in, and the homeowner is the only one to unlock it. Not a key to your door.
(caveat: any decently trained person can hack your doors, they're called locksmiths, and those windows you love won't stop squat)
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Put your unsold lock stock on steel boxes in a size slightly larger than your large delivery box, with bolt wings to bolt onto the side of the house. They'll fly off the shelves, with all the worries about doorstep package theft.
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let's see, you let Amazon do the following: Record what is in your home Record when you are home Unlock your door And remember folks, if amazon can access it, so can any hacker from ANYWHERE in the world. The "unbreakable" system is simple an invitation for some smart dude to break it. And if enough people's eggs are in the one basket, then it because a target for HUNDREDS of smart people looking to break it. No one who values the safety of their home (especially homes with children) would allow this. I consider Amazon a bit irresponsible for even offering this. I guess when anyone gets too big, profit overrides public responsibility. If someone is going to spy on me or steal from me, I'm at least going to make them come to my home, leave the evidence of the crime and be recorded by MY cameras to be used later in court. Not have POSSIBLE data record and when withheld when it doesn't serve a 3rd parties interests. (Like the body cams for police, how often has the footage get released by police when charges of police excessive force come into play. Hint: virtually never, contrary to public expectations)
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I don't want the Amazon delivery person doing anything more than dropping the package off and running.
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All on camera. If he goes off camera, he's fired. It's really that simple.
Not good enough. My '63 Fender Telecaster that I bought for $28,000 disappears at the same time, is Amazon gonna replace it?!
I don't think so.
In many homes and apartments in many countries (Venezuela and the USoA included), the main door does not lead right into the house. Instead, the main door leads to a small space (zaguan, salita de estar, pasillo, sort of a small hallway). If I can put an interior door separating this space from the rest of the house, and if I used amazon a lot, then I would gladly go for this Amazon service.
the guy opens the main door, enters, drops the packet, leaves. All on camera
He can not see inside the house (because of the extra door), if he tries to enter the house, he has to force the extra door, and gets recorded on camera...
If, on the other hand, the main door leads right into the house, with no way to separate a small area from the rest, no fucking way I would go for this. Not only for the risk of being robed and what not, but also, for the invasion of privacy (i do not want the delivery guy seing the mess of my house, or what paintings I have on the walls), or getting frinedly with my rottwiler ;-)
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The Opposite works for me. I get a key to the Amazon warehouse. I drive in, take what I ordered, and leave. Amazon should trust its customers. Customers should not trust Amazon. I'm sure if they use the Amazon camera, and Amazon Alexa, nothing could go wrong.
It should be a model for all companies to follow.
Fully trust your users.
For example, Microsoft should trust that I will only use features that I paid for , and will not lock me out of software.
I remember when users had control of their software.
Microsoft should allow 100% access to the code.
Amazon should allow 100% access to the warehouse.
I've had a package go missing once at my current address. It was replaced at no cost to me. I have absolutely no motivation to have packages delivered inside my house since I know that if a package fails to show up, I can have it replaced without losing any money.
If packages were frequently disappearing from my house, giving someone (or some company) access to my house would definitely not be a step in the right direction to solving the problem.
As most people have commented, this appears rather stupid. Why would I ever want this?
But particularly in urban areas where people have had consistent problems with packages being stolen between delivery and when they get home, this addresses a real problem. In those cases, this would potentially be a great product.
This will probably only be for shipments delivered by Amazon. I suppose they could eventually partner with other shipping companies and let them use it, too, but that would let you use it for non-Amazon shipments, and I'm not sure they want this.
So this may be another signal that Amazon is ramping up their delivery network to eliminate UPS and other vendors. Not a good time to invest in UPS.
What they need is an "artic entrance", a door that opens into a small entryway, with another door into the rest of the house (most houses in Alaska have these to conserve heat in the winter). Just give the Amazon driver the key to the first door, he drops off the package where nobody else can steal it but doesn't have access to the rest of your house! My prediction is that in a few years people will be designing houses with provisions for secure delivery (could also just use a lockbox outside the house, but the entryway would have more room and it would be obvious to anyone entering or leaving that there was something ther).
Instead of all this camera tech, one time keys etc. why not simply provide a locker box outside the house? Could be used for regular mail as well.
FWIW, I don't really think this is going to be the problem it looks like from the outside. There are a couple of factors reducing your risk.
1. Most of the big name delivery drivers are paid a living wage. They have a reduced incentive to go rogue (I didn't say NO incentive). I assume this will continue to apply to whoever winds up with these delivery permissions.
2. Anybody who gets burgled after having a keyed delivery is likely to immediately blame Amazon, so the police are going to wind up looking hard at the drivers after the first Amazon-burglary. There will be some, but I think it will be a self-correcting problem.
3. How much of the 'good stuff' is visible from the front door via casual glance, but NOT visible already through the windows?
4. People will be watching the deliveries over the camera. A driver who LOOKS LIKE he is casing the place is going to get called out even if he never intends to commit a crime.
5. Amazon has every incentive to make this work**. The very first time someone has a credible case that this service is connected to a crime in someone's house, they will probably massively over-perform their 'service recovery', full financial compensation, lifetime free Prime, additional store discounts, etc.
Certainly there is risk, but I think the additional risk is small.
*: Bank robbery, mostly, but I was locked up with some people who did basically what you described.
**: I live in an apartment complex and my first Amazon shipment (which was also my last) was stolen before pickup. Now I can only get shipments sent to my friends house or my place of employment, both of which can be a hassle to transport home (as a bicycle commuter moving packages can be problematic).
The threat of jail absolutely keeps millions of people from committing crimes. It doesn't stop everyone, but it stops most people.
I am a convicted bank robber. I cannot begin to tell you how many people have told me "I have always wanted to rob a bank."
Why didn't they? Because they were scared of going to jail.
I think the better analysis is "how much does this service increase my risk" versus "how much benefit do I gain from it".
I think you make a valid point that it is going to happen. More than once. But the additional risk is (I think) small.
Nicely said.
I have an 140 lb Neapolitan mastiff who doesn't like strangers. I'm thinking that allowing Amazon to have a key to my front door could save me a ton of money on kibble and chew toys.
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If you extrapolate that data out to the normal population, that's actually some fairly significant interest. Or, based on 60 million prime subscribers, they're looking at ~25 million people who are interested somewhat in the key.
I can imagine that the people at Amazon took some time and thought through the scenarios of this. Having said that, it's not a service I desire in any way, and I'm a serious user of Amazon Prime. So far, I don't see anything about the service that makes me want to invest the time and energy in having it installed.
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You don't have to install in in the bedroom.
I plan to put one on my garden shed or a special big amazon packages box.
I don't understand why they are going in this direction. Why not a locked box outside your door? Make it big enough for any normal package, or allow different sizes. Make it sturdy and weather proof. Put the same kind of lock system and camera on it. More people would be willing to have a box on their porch, as compared to the very few people who want their door lock under someone else's remote control.
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Look, it's quite obvious that the vast majority of Amazon Prime subscribers and the general public would not want the company to have a key to their locks, nor let delivery people enter their homes... but I think 4 to 5% is actually a pretty huge number right there.
I don't think many people are reading this right.
Personally, I'd never agree with that too, but I simply don't have to pay for the service. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there are tons of people with reasonable excuses to get something like that.
Yes, it's still a huge security and privacy issue, but I can certainly see some cases where it becomes a necessity. People who are never home during delivery hours, people with disabilities that have a hard time getting to the door, people who already rely on in home delivery services for whatever reason.
Might seen like a dumb idea for some, but for specific people it could be life changing. Specially considering how many products Amazon deals with these days.
I have no need for this. They can just leave packages on my covered porch. It's 5 miles to my nearest neighbor, and people who wander around too much usually get eaten by the grizzlies or the coyotes. I'm not worried about anyone coming and stealing my packages.
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There's exactly NO trust relationship between the delivery personnel and the home owner.
Not every person can (or wants to) install what is, effectively, a security system.
More-over, if there's a fault in the system at any point, it could render EVERY home using the Amazon Key system vulnerable to zero-damage break-ins.
Also, for more paranoid people with firearms, this sounds like a GREAT way to get delivery personnel SHOT.
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Instead of trying to come into your house, why don't they sell a option where they install a garage storage module that is accessible from the outside using a exterior hatch and delivery goods into that; it would be a combination refrigerator / pantry. For the cost of the installation, you would promise to buy x amount of groceries a month from Amazon. Could even offer a fridge / pantry that they directly access from outside, given your kitchen has an exterior wall so that no garage module is needed. Ready to eat meals would be delivered daily ready to pull out of your fridge when you get home.
And don't forget, Amazon has several hundred million customers - "only" 5% could still be 20mil units sold. It's certainly not for everyone, but there are some places where the idea is perfect for - for example, in many major cities, there's condo buildings that don't have door people but the entry is locked; being able to let the Amazon delivery driver into the stairwell/lobby to leave the packages there instead of out on the curb of a busy street has real value. On the other end of the spectrum, if you live in a "less than desirable" neighborhood, you might consider the risk of Amazon stealing something considerably less than the risk of someone stealing a package from your porch. Finally, in places with harsh weather, it's not uncommon to have a entry room designed for gearing up or stripping down after braving the elements, and they often have a second door to access the interior of the house - that's a perfect situation for this device.
It's certainly not for everyone, but there are certainly a number of situations where it is desirable. Haters going to hate, but Amazon doesn't care because it's not trying to sell this product to those people
They rent out their home via AirBnb, lease out cars to Lyft and Uber drivers. They open floor plan offices with hoteling for what desks are available.
The delivery people are 3rd party contractors, so they are not liable if something goes wrong.
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As an prime subscriber myself, my answer is 'hell no'.
Yes, there's quite the pool of industrious thieves following amazon deliver trucks stealing boxes.. but really, send it to a delivery station or deliver to work.
We used to just have a mailbox big enough for packages. If it ain't gonna fit in that get it delivered to your workplace. Come on people, is it really that difficult???
How does this work with an actively monitored alarm system ?
They going to call when the delivery driver arrives so you can disarm the alarm ?
I think it would be a better solution to put a remote controlled lockbox on the front porch. Lock / unlock that instead of giving a total stranger access to your home.
liability and commercial insurance are big parts of why they are employees. Now if they are gig workers the big story should some get's hurt in an accident with amazon driver and both amazon and there non commercial auto insurance say we are not responsible.
The alternative is for the Amazon guys to keep hurling your packages onto your doorstep. It's not like Colin Kaepernick is making the throws... or wait a second...
A few years from now, there will be a sitcom where one of the characters is another character's "Amazon guy," who just came to the house to drop something off, and the resident was anomalously home at the time and they met and became friends. And he tells stories about all the other Amazon customers or their houses. He doesn't drop in all the time like Kramer does to Jerry, but he does sometimes unlock (or threatens to unlock) the resident's door at comic or cringey times:
* Like the time the resident character bangs this chick and the next day her angry boyfriend is pounding on the door.
* Or the time the resident tells his mother he's on vacation in Peru but really he's just crashed on the couch eating Cheetos for two weeks, and the mother comes by to water the plants.
* Variant: the resident asks the Amazon guy to open the neighbor's apartment, because he heard a weird noise come from there.
Not all the episodes have the Amazon guy unlocking doors, of course. There's also the Google guy, who is always googling everything. Any time anyone asks him any question, he googles it.
And there's the "let me show you the funny or cute picture in my Facebook feed" jerk, always annoying everyone. (Fuck that guy, amiright?) He's a professional "social media consultant." A story goes like this: "You're worried people won't come to your party? No problem, I'll increase the reach..." but the joke is that even with his wizardry, nobody goes to the party. Ha ha. But you still always have every fucking yawning cat that has ever been posted on the Internet, in your feed every day if you're friends with this guy.
And there's the guy who never says anything anti-tech but also never has or uses any of the brands that the other ones do; he conspicously doesn't have an ad in the signature on his emails, so nobody knows what kind of phone he uses. (You never get a good look at his phone. Is it even a touchscreen? You never find out.) Whenever he borrows someone's FAT-formatted USB flash drives, he gives it back with all these ".AppleDouble" and "EA DATA.SF" and ".info" files on it that nobody else's computer can make any sense of, and they think it's a virus. He can play video files that the other characters can't, but he can't play what they can. He has a videogame console, but it looks like it uses some kind of .. does that cartridge have a tape in it?! "Sorry, I can't read PDFs. Can you convert that to TEX?" (And no, he doesn't run Linux, goddammit.)
Yeah, one of the characters drives for Uber and/or Lyft. I'm gonna say both, and he hides their client softwares from each other using virtual machines. He's always meeting new people and can bring in guest characters for any script.
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If 5% of all Amazon Prime customers were to buy an Amazon Key, the company who makes them would be rolling in the dough.. I personally would never get one - but I can see how a few people might find it convenient, especially for Amazon Pantry customers. How much worse is this than having the doorman for your apartment building having a key to your apartment?
Build a door between the foyer of your house and the rest of the house, put a refrigerator in there, and the Amazon guy can put your Prime Pantry perishables in the fridge and you'd never need to go shopping ever again. Especially when Amazon Prime Booze starts up....
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Most modern apartment buildings incorporate secure package delivery boxes in the entrance hall. This is cheaper and safer than modifying your apartment to give access to strangers.
Have all your packages delivered to a UPS store. Most Americans live within a few miles of one. For those who don't, they probably don't have to worry as much about theft as the rest of us.
I have my deliveries left in an unlocked car in the driveway. The car doesn't run, so I'm not worried about anybody stealing it. Sure, somebody could just take the packages out of the car, but in ten years of doing this nobody has taken one yet. It's much better than just leaving packages on the front porch where anybody driving by can see them.
For packages that need a signature the UPS store gets them and signs for them. Then I can pick them up whenever I get back to town.
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Team up with the nude cleaners. Seems a lock box integrated into door might be more desirable vs a random delivery person getting access inside a home, even if they donâ(TM)t steal can case the place for their buddies later. Imagine a mini door like a pet door with an enclosure which can be attached from inside securely. Would not use all the time since bulky blocking inside entrance. An investment up front but if someone who gets many deliveries might be worth the convenience for a home mini loading dock system.
It's not like they'd not take their packets back with them when the recipient isn't there, is it? ... do they really do that? I can't imagine them opening up that can of sue-happy lawyers. ^^
I mean putting the packet just "somewhere" like in front of the door, or in the hands of a neighbor, means it wasn't delivered, and hence that Amazon defrauded the customer. Or it's outright theft. In any case, it's a crime, and the customer can demand his packet to be given to him, as the contract of the sale stated.
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$250 buys a box for three years at a mail store. Just have Amazon deliver there.
Only a knob. That can't be turned.
You need a key to open the door.
Yes, that means you can lock yourself out by not having your key in your pocket.
But actually locking it is a different thing as just pulling it shut. There are, in simple terms, two bolts.
And a locksmith will be much less expensive if you only pulled it shut. (On bad doors, a piece of sheet metal suffices to open it.)
This means, we never have to lock the door when inside. Just closing the door means that nobody can come in without making enough noise for you to notice it.
Most people don't have a use for this. I've never had a package disappear from my property and I'm sure a majority of people are in the same boat. These people don't have user for this service.
The small percentage of people that live in areas where disappearing packages is something that happens on a regular basis are the ones that need this. However these areas tend to be lower income and higher crime areas. That makes it unlikely that the people in those areas would have the disposable income to purchase this. They also wouldn't care if the delivery person decided to burglarize their house or pass on information to someone else as they most likely wouldn't own anything more valuable than anyone else in the area.
What Amazon should do is look at missing package claims and offer these for no charge to those at high risk. The concept will then catch on and everyone else will trust and want one.
As a pet owner, this is a no-go regardless. It would make more sense if Amazon offered single locker units that could be securely attached outside your house.
The customer controls something using software provided by Amazon. The customers don't retain exclusive access to the lock because the software is probably proprietary (never trust proprietary software) and network-controlled (a tracker conveys signals to open/close the lock) which means Amazon can open/close the lock too. You should learn more about the dangers of proprietary software, particularly proprietary network software (which is often malware) and stop trusting whatever proprietors tell you.
If someone is breaking into your home you're better off making them have to do something that leaves clear evidence of a break-in such as a brick going through a window. The risks Amazon's system enables is indistinguishable from someone a client allowed in to do something the client wanted done.
If you think only the most sophisticated people or skills are required to pull that off, you have a lot to learn.
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Even if I WANTED this, I'd do it myself.
It's not hard to buy a lockbox, or issue out a one-use code. Or even a doorbell that activates a camera that lets you phone a lock that opens. Literally, cheaper tech, that works and is controlled by you, and does so much more.
At the moment, I have cameras, and I have a secure alleyway that I can open by GSM. Beyond that, it's literally one wire to make it happen the other way so that when they press the bell, it rings my phone and lets me talk to them.
Then I can open the alleyway remotely, watch what they're doing as they do it, lock it up once they're gone and do it only when I'm actually expecting a parcel.
The biggest problem is really that anything of value should have a signature for liability purposes - i.e. you spoke to a guy at the premises that took custody of the parcel. That's the only reason companies ever deliver to my neighbours rather than just leaving the parcel somewhere safe in sight of my cameras (which is far from infallible a system, but I've not had anyone try to nick anything yet).
But, honestly, 50 pounds/dollars, a trip to the hardware store and somewhere you can afford to let them into / open up isn't a lot. One GSM alarm panel with relay activation and a maglock, and a gate/steel box is more than enough for more uses. Stick a cheapy wifi camera on it and you have a good system for such things. These things are dirt cheap on Amazon itself, and the most expensive component of the whole system is the gate / box in the first place, not the electronics and gadgets to make it operate in a way that you don't need to give Amazon - or any other delivery company -
anything in terms of access to your property.
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The best candidates for this will be people who have a small area of the house, like a foyer, mud room, or covered porch - that can be isolated from the rest of the house. The Amazon Key would grant access to the isolated area to leave packages there but would not allow the delivery person into the rest of the house.
I think a problem people have with this is the "It will get hacked" mentality. Sure...that is a risk. However, I can also pick a lock, or force a door. We have garage doors that open remotely, and this is seen as normal, but years ago, it was super easy to run up and down a street and open anyones garage. Yes, its tech and can get hacked. However, how likely am I to spend the time to hack into this so I can rob you, vs breaking in a window (which doesnt also have a camera looking directly at it) and walking out the back door?
As far as letting a stranger into my house? I mean, they will be on camera the whole time, and I know when I am likely to receive a package. Versus a random passerby seeing a package on my doorstep and walking off with it? If my cat didnt run out the door whenever possible I would have already installed one.
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I want to enclose our porch - if I do I would do this because I would have it only open the porch door and not the house door - same way it would make more sense if you could install a locker - i try to get deliveries to drop off in a storage bench I have and usps and amazon read the sign and do it but sometimes ups and fedex don't - and lately ups has been hiding shit where I can't find it like on the side of my house under bushes or wedged between my fence and my porch where you can't see it.... it is like a fucking easter egg hunt.
The access information will be available via supeona to any law enforcement agency that desires it. Keyless entry to your dwelling for sneak and peak (see: https://www.aclu.org/other/how... ), as well as any other entity that amazon wishes to cooperate with without warrant - national security letter, anyone?
I find it easier to check around bus stops and parking lots for discarded lottery scratchers to enter into the second chance drawing website. Never won anything online over the last eight years, but I did find an unused scratcher stuck to another scratcher that was a $20 winner. After the Great Recession, I found and entered 500+ scratchers over a two year period (2009-10). These days I'm lucky to find a half-dozen or so scratchers each month.
https://slashdot.org/comments.... cdreimer writes:
When I was growing up in the 1970's, I was declared "mentally retarded" and tossed into the special ed classes. Never mind that I could blow out their tests in ways that normal students couldn't touch, wanted to learn more than what the teachers weren't teaching, and had way fewer behavioral problems than the other kids. Troubled kids back then were treated like idiots rather than medicated to no return.
https://slashdot.org/comments.... cdreimer writes:
That's funny! After 18 years in the I.T. field (including ten years of contract work), I'm sitting on my butt, getting paid $25/hour and reading Slashdot at work as a senior system admin. I must have done something right.
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Do you realize you sound like the kind of guy that keeps his favorite farts in jars and sorts them by diet?
I love this!!!
Do keep in mind that funny trolls have much better karma than repetitive or annoying trolls.
Speaking of which, I went from getting 15 mod points every other day to 15 mod points every single day after voting creimer down. Haha he's so universally disliked that I guess voting him down is like the M2 version of karma whoring!
Before this I actually thought getting so many points was a bug or something.
Nice try jerkwad!
Nobody click that if they don't want Good Times virus on their Intel Anal IME Unit, Herpes in their HappyHerniaHole and CHRIS DALE REIMER's amazon AFFILIATE COOKIE in their Browser Butthole Cookie Cache!
Earlier someone gave you a boatload of great advice. There have to be no end of people who would sponsor you for a CISSP at your job. Easily one of the stupid easiest exams to pass through rote memorization since the ham nocode. You could have the fucker nailed in like 6 fucking months just by pirating an e-book and installing a flashcard program on your phone. In San Jose you could write your own ticket.. at least make 6 figures.
You said your apartment is rent controlled. Sneaking into a rent controlled apartment and then doubling your income. You'd be living the life. Don't give me that Oh well I pay the bills horseshit either. You could start seriously investing and actually retire you fat dipshit.
Instead of taking advantage of this massive opportunity you annoy the shit out of everyone.
Be honest.. there's a crumpled dollar in the urinal... you're gonna pull it out.
You know I put dollar bills in the urinals just because I know fat retards like you will stick their hands in my piss for it? You actually had the nerve to mock people for wasting their time on MLM scams when you waste your life chasing 30 bux? You're practically the same you dumb fucker.
At least the MLM losers sometimes makes enough money to support themselves by annoying all their friends. You have no friends to annoy and you make even less than that.
--Signed
Jesus Christ Lord Almighty
My videos are family- and advertiser-friendly. Since I create my own content. I don't have to worry about being flagged. I got two-factor authentication for my Google accounts.
I work with google as part of my tech position at an imposing worldwide megacorp and watch youtube accounts belonging to fortune 500 companies have issues with from time to time. Getting any sort of youtube support is a struggle even for me. I can't wait for your 2fa to bite you in the ass. Especially with whatever crummy phone you have.
I've already got a good job that pays the bill.
Your job is the kind most people take their first year out of school. Your qualifications for the job are that you're a tech worker, you pass a federal piss test & background check, & you're willing to work for 49k in Palo Alto. You were not hired based on merits you were hired based on the fact that you meet a rare set of bureaucratic requirements that are difficult to satisfy in the valley.
You have a foot in the door for what could easily turn into a fantastic career but instead of going through the door you're just standing there like an autist enjoying the unusual sounds and sensations of slamming it down over and over on your micropenis
I haven't won any second chance drawings in the last nine years. I have won $1, $5 and $20 prizes because an unused scratcher gets stuck to another scratcher or a poker scratcher that someone didn't realize was a winner because they're not a poker player. With the lotto app on my iPhone, I scan five tickets in less than a minute.
Hahahaha that changes everything! I guess I know what I'm doing this weekend.