Run NT under vmware until you can finish the transition =) DevStudio, Outlook, IE, etc. all seem to behave. (The only drawback is a lack of DirectX support inside vmware.)
I've been trying to get in to news.lokigames.com of late, but no luck...
One interesting thing I want to pass on to the Loki folks is that (in case they haven't noticed, although I'm sure they have) WINE has a semi-complete DirectX implementation -- including DirectPlay (see dlls/dplayx/ in the source distribution). There may be some licensing issues, but one wonders if there's enough there to enable DirectPlay support under Linux.
It would be Really Nice to be able to play Heroes3 in the usual Heroes3 arenas...
Ya know, when I bought my V3, I felt a little queasy compromising on OSS principles, but, dammit, I had to have acceleration in Q2 (I'd gotten far too used to it on my work machine to give it back up and end up in software mode on my primary gaming box). Nothing else appeared to be well-supported under Linux at the time, but everything was binary only.
And they went and open-sourced glide and everything! Yeesh. Salved my conscience =)
Let's hope nVidia learns from the example... Maybe with more 3D games coming to Linux (Quake *, UT, Heretic2, Heavy Gear 2, Soldier of Fortune), Loki and others can apply some pressure.
Ah, but they're also selling Debian separately ($19.95). Loki has, in the past, taken a distribution-neutral stance, and I expect this to continue. More likely, SuSE worked out some sort of deal to get SuSE in front of more Linux people in North America.
LinuxGames has a current tally of released and announced stuff. Their tally is 22 =)
I count 6 released (Q1, Q2, Hopkins:FBI, Civ:CTP, Myth2, RT2:GE) in boxes on my bookshelf (and, well, installed and played =) ), plus 2 unsupported (Kingpin, Ultima Online), plus 2 public betas (Q3, U:TE), plus 3 older unsupported/unofficial ports from source releases (Doom, Heretic, Descent 1). So that's 13 presently available, of which 2 are betas.
I'm not sure where to stick Abuse in that list, but I suppose that makes 14.
I think the first concurrent release was Hopkins: FBI, but I'm not sure if that was truly concurrent. Granted, not in the same box (Windows version is separate from Linux version).
If "in the same box" is the standard, then I believe Q3 will be the first.
I received my copy of RT2 within a month of seeing the Windows version on shelves. Not precisely concurrent, but closer than, say, Heretic II.
And of course there's
Eric's Ultimate Solitare which is (according to reviews) pretty good, the kind of thing to get your Mum using Linux.
EUS rocks! It's also great for getting wives to play (although I'm lucky(?), mine also likes Civ:CTP). I was not expecting EUS to be all that great, but I got very addicted during the beta =)
Meanwhile I want, make that
need, a copy of RRTII - the number of hours I lost to Transport Tycoon when I should have been writing up my degree project is quite disgusting - but fun:-)
RT2 also rocks. I lost way too much bloody time to that last night. I'm afraid it's going to be a pattern. "Yeah, boss, I stumbled into work late and bleary-eyed because I was play... uh, my wife was sick last night... yeah, that's the ticket!" Geez. Three hours of sleep. I can't do that any more...
Can't speak for anyone else (obviously), but I've been waiting for Linux games to hit the shelves. On my bookshelf at home, in addition to a couple distro boxes, I have: Q1/Offering, Q2/Colossus, Civ:CTP, Myth2, RT2, Hopkins:FBI, Kingpin. Oh yeah, and my Voodoo3 box =)
Q1 & Q2 are the recent Macmillan Linux bundles, Kingpin is the Windows version (I downloaded the client). The others are all Linux titles!
(I should add that I have pre-ordered EUS as well, and fully expect to purchase additional copies of some titles when we get my wife her computer. It's only right...)
I really enjoy the humor and the chit-chat. Interesting special guests are nice (Mr. diBona was great!), but the chatting is most of what I tune in for (and re-listen because of).
Keep doing it, and keep doing it the way you want to. You've done great so far, so I (and hopefully others) trust you to keep doing so.
(Looking forward to another one. Isn't tonight the night?)
And if the hard drive dies, post something so rabid fan-boys (like me) know why there isn't a show =)
The 2-year, 5-game deal is more interesting (to me) than the specific titles. According to one interview, Civ:CTP isn't part of that deal, which means there are three more guaranteed Activision games. Anyone care to guess?
Similarly, the news about the remaining (unannounced) games of 1999 are that one is an RPG. There is a rumor (in the latest Linux Magazine) that a Sim game may be the other. Speculation, anyone? I'm hoping for SimCity3000 for the latter =)
It is such a pleasure to be able to go home and play games on my Linux box...
I think the best point made was when Alan McConnell answered the question "Why should I switch?". His answer was, effectively, that one doesn't have to switch, one can install it to have the choice between one's previous OS and one's present OS.
I think that's a great distinction that sometimes gets lost in all the "World Domination - Fast!" rhetoric.
And it's cool to have a voice to go with the guy who wrote the LDP document that got me through my first install -- Slackware with the then-fresh 1.0 kernel:-)
But, Rob, seriously, I think it's time to but *some* kind of link on the main page to the GiS show.
What? Are you kidding? The Sync's already Slashdotted, and the audience is fairly small:-)
A link on the front page would be nice about now. Actually, on further reflection, what I'd like to see is a link on the front page for show #10 -- sort of a milestone show. That way, there is time to prepare mirrors, etc., and it's a fitting time to announce it.
(Oh, and I disagree. All of the shows are great -- some more than others, but the earlier ones did not, in my opinion, suck. But, to each his own:-) )
Actually, I was asking about the mirroring policy specifically because I've already downloaded the episode and want to help my fellow "addicts" get their "fix". At the same time, I'd rather not step on y'all's toes about it:-)
If (and only if) it's OK with you folks @ The Sync, I'll mirror the file and announce where it will reside for the next few days. If not, I won't. OK?
Does The Sync have a mirroring policy? I couldn't find one on their site (although I didn't look really hard, I just poked around in some obvious locations).
The download last night was incredibly slow (but functional), but it looks like it's a lot slower (if available at all) today:-)
(There was not yet an article announcing it as of when I wrote this. It discusses some pretty neat things, like GrandmaLinux, the Corel distro, IPv6, Google, The Matrix DVD, and the usual rambling commentary. And, of course, the special guest announced in this episode.)
Go. Listen.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am a sad fanboy of these shows...
Maybe the individual packages can't be controlled by Corel, but the compilation may be an independently-copyrightable work. Hence, the distribution itself might be property of Corel, while the individual components are property of others.
<IANAL>
It is my understanding that copyrighting compilations only holds for compilations which do not have their own rights. Otherwise, for instance, Author A, who writes books published by Publisher P1, could have his books "compiled" by Publisher P2, who could then publish it, and neither A nor P1 could do anything about it. The programs assembled in Debian do not relinquish their own copyright -- the GPL allows them to be distributed without explicit agreement with the copyright holders provided the GPL continues to be followed.
The GPL explicitly allows the programs to be distributed -- provided that the programs are distributed under the GPL. It becomes the purview of the copyright holders to make the case that the GPL has been violated, and assert their copyright.
</IANAL>
All of that being said, it would be a good idea for interested parties to gently and politely point out to Corel that their Beta agreement violates the GPL that allows them to distribute the software. However, they should also have some means of making an interim test version of the distribution before the product is finalized -- they just screwed up in making the beta agreement. I believe that another poster has already suggested that an amended agreement forbidding redistribution of Corel's portion (as opposed to Debian's) would be legitimate.
If there is an attempt to license the final distribution in an insane manner (such as not allowing the GPL-covered portions to be re-distributed), then the appropriate people should take appropriate steps.
Residuals: is what actors get (assuming they have a decent contract) when their shows go into syndication. HTH.
Don't knock all Anonymous Cowards. That one was posted to the Krull Invasion discussion and, as of this writing, is the last comment. I'm duplicating the information here because this topic had not yet been created when it was posted, and this is where it belongs.
Incidentally, I sitll love the show. Keep it up!
And if you're reading this, Rob, please consider allowing type= in the blockquote tags. It makes a very nice quoting method (type=cite is widely used in some of the Infoworld forums). I originally tried it here for this post, and it was eaten.:-) Thanks!
I ended up with moderator access for the second time in 5 days today, and I started reading at threshold -1 and with greater care than normal. I was (and remain) careful in the use of those points, and I'd hate to have those controls all the time, but no idea of whether or not it's worth the effort.
However, if the non-point moderation had some sort of cumulative value (e.g. 25 "Interesting" labels = 1 moderator point), then I wouldn't mind so much. So, if 25 people agree that a particular comment = Interesting, it gets moderated up -- or if 1 moderator thinks so, it gets moderated up. (Obviously, I haven't thought this through 100%, but the kernel of the idea shows promise on initial examination.)
There was also another scheme (flagging posts) mentioned a few comments ago which accomplishes the same thing, but only with a moderator's active intercession.
Slashdot Mirror
(has anyone seen the Linux version in stores? I've seen Civ:CTP and Railroad Tycoon II in the box with the penguin on it :)
Yes. In fact, I've seen every Loki title in the local Electronics Boutiques at some point -- although they seem to sell out pretty quickly.
In fact, that's where I picked up my copies of Civ:CTP, Heretic2, and Heroes3.
Run NT under vmware until you can finish the transition =) DevStudio, Outlook, IE, etc. all seem to behave. (The only drawback is a lack of DirectX support inside vmware.)
I've been trying to get in to news.lokigames.com of late, but no luck...
One interesting thing I want to pass on to the Loki folks is that (in case they haven't noticed, although I'm sure they have) WINE has a semi-complete DirectX implementation -- including DirectPlay (see dlls/dplayx/ in the source distribution). There may be some licensing issues, but one wonders if there's enough there to enable DirectPlay support under Linux.
It would be Really Nice to be able to play Heroes3 in the usual Heroes3 arenas...
Ya know, when I bought my V3, I felt a little queasy compromising on OSS principles, but, dammit, I had to have acceleration in Q2 (I'd gotten far too used to it on my work machine to give it back up and end up in software mode on my primary gaming box). Nothing else appeared to be well-supported under Linux at the time, but everything was binary only.
And they went and open-sourced glide and everything! Yeesh. Salved my conscience =)
Let's hope nVidia learns from the example... Maybe with more 3D games coming to Linux (Quake *, UT, Heretic2, Heavy Gear 2, Soldier of Fortune), Loki and others can apply some pressure.
Ah, but they're also selling Debian separately ($19.95). Loki has, in the past, taken a distribution-neutral stance, and I expect this to continue. More likely, SuSE worked out some sort of deal to get SuSE in front of more Linux people in North America.
gzilla is now known as Armadillo, due, in part, to confusion with Mozilla.
Wouldn't that be the League for Programming Freedom?
Granted, they are primarily focused on patents, but it's a start.
LinuxGames has a current tally of released and announced stuff. Their tally is 22 =)
I count 6 released (Q1, Q2, Hopkins:FBI, Civ:CTP, Myth2, RT2:GE) in boxes on my bookshelf (and, well, installed and played =) ), plus 2 unsupported (Kingpin, Ultima Online), plus 2 public betas (Q3, U:TE), plus 3 older unsupported/unofficial ports from source releases (Doom, Heretic, Descent 1). So that's 13 presently available, of which 2 are betas.
I'm not sure where to stick Abuse in that list, but I suppose that makes 14.
I think the first concurrent release was Hopkins: FBI, but I'm not sure if that was truly concurrent. Granted, not in the same box (Windows version is separate from Linux version).
If "in the same box" is the standard, then I believe Q3 will be the first.
I received my copy of RT2 within a month of seeing the Windows version on shelves. Not precisely concurrent, but closer than, say, Heretic II.
EUS rocks! It's also great for getting wives to play (although I'm lucky(?), mine also likes Civ:CTP). I was not expecting EUS to be all that great, but I got very addicted during the beta =)
RT2 also rocks. I lost way too much bloody time to that last night. I'm afraid it's going to be a pattern. "Yeah, boss, I stumbled into work late and bleary-eyed because I was play... uh, my wife was sick last night... yeah, that's the ticket!" Geez. Three hours of sleep. I can't do that any more...
Can't speak for anyone else (obviously), but I've been waiting for Linux games to hit the shelves. On my bookshelf at home, in addition to a couple distro boxes, I have: Q1/Offering, Q2/Colossus, Civ:CTP, Myth2, RT2, Hopkins:FBI, Kingpin. Oh yeah, and my Voodoo3 box =)
Q1 & Q2 are the recent Macmillan Linux bundles, Kingpin is the Windows version (I downloaded the client). The others are all Linux titles!
(I should add that I have pre-ordered EUS as well, and fully expect to purchase additional copies of some titles when we get my wife her computer. It's only right...)
I really enjoy the humor and the chit-chat. Interesting special guests are nice (Mr. diBona was great!), but the chatting is most of what I tune in for (and re-listen because of).
Keep doing it, and keep doing it the way you want to. You've done great so far, so I (and hopefully others) trust you to keep doing so.
(Looking forward to another one. Isn't tonight the night?)
And if the hard drive dies, post something so rabid fan-boys (like me) know why there isn't a show =)
The 2-year, 5-game deal is more interesting (to me) than the specific titles. According to one interview, Civ:CTP isn't part of that deal, which means there are three more guaranteed Activision games. Anyone care to guess?
Similarly, the news about the remaining (unannounced) games of 1999 are that one is an RPG. There is a rumor (in the latest Linux Magazine) that a Sim game may be the other. Speculation, anyone? I'm hoping for SimCity3000 for the latter =)
It is such a pleasure to be able to go home and play games on my Linux box...
I'm going through withdrawal! There wasn't one this week :-(
(Or did I just completely miss it?)
I think the best point made was when Alan McConnell answered the question "Why should I switch?". His answer was, effectively, that one doesn't have to switch , one can install it to have the choice between one's previous OS and one's present OS.
I think that's a great distinction that sometimes gets lost in all the "World Domination - Fast!" rhetoric.
And it's cool to have a voice to go with the guy who wrote the LDP document that got me through my first install -- Slackware with the then-fresh 1.0 kernel :-)
But, Rob, seriously, I think it's time to but *some* kind of link on the main page to the GiS show.
What? Are you kidding? The Sync's already Slashdotted, and the audience is fairly small :-)
A link on the front page would be nice about now. Actually, on further reflection, what I'd like to see is a link on the front page for show #10 -- sort of a milestone show. That way, there is time to prepare mirrors, etc., and it's a fitting time to announce it.
(Oh, and I disagree. All of the shows are great -- some more than others, but the earlier ones did not, in my opinion, suck. But, to each his own :-) )
Actually, I was asking about the mirroring policy specifically because I've already downloaded the episode and want to help my fellow "addicts" get their "fix". At the same time, I'd rather not step on y'all's toes about it :-)
If (and only if) it's OK with you folks @ The Sync, I'll mirror the file and announce where it will reside for the next few days. If not, I won't. OK?
Does The Sync have a mirroring policy? I couldn't find one on their site (although I didn't look really hard, I just poked around in some obvious locations).
The download last night was incredibly slow (but functional), but it looks like it's a lot slower (if available at all) today :-)
Go get it!
(There was not yet an article announcing it as of when I wrote this. It discusses some pretty neat things, like GrandmaLinux, the Corel distro, IPv6, Google, The Matrix DVD, and the usual rambling commentary. And, of course, the special guest announced in this episode.)
Go. Listen.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am a sad fanboy of these shows...
Edit 'em, then =)
(For that matter, move the HR-LUG meetings to Wednesdays, I can't make Tuesdays... :-/ )
Thanks for the tip! I was unaware that there was a service pack for the 3rd show (er, something like that), so it was a new gem to listen to :-)
Keep up the good work, guys!
Maybe the individual packages can't be controlled by Corel, but the compilation may be an independently-copyrightable work. Hence, the distribution itself might be property of Corel, while the individual components are property of others.
<IANAL>
It is my understanding that copyrighting compilations only holds for compilations which do not have their own rights. Otherwise, for instance, Author A, who writes books published by Publisher P1, could have his books "compiled" by Publisher P2, who could then publish it, and neither A nor P1 could do anything about it. The programs assembled in Debian do not relinquish their own copyright -- the GPL allows them to be distributed without explicit agreement with the copyright holders provided the GPL continues to be followed.
The GPL explicitly allows the programs to be distributed -- provided that the programs are distributed under the GPL. It becomes the purview of the copyright holders to make the case that the GPL has been violated, and assert their copyright.
</IANAL>
All of that being said, it would be a good idea for interested parties to gently and politely point out to Corel that their Beta agreement violates the GPL that allows them to distribute the software. However, they should also have some means of making an interim test version of the distribution before the product is finalized -- they just screwed up in making the beta agreement. I believe that another poster has already suggested that an amended agreement forbidding redistribution of Corel's portion (as opposed to Debian's) would be legitimate.
If there is an attempt to license the final distribution in an insane manner (such as not allowing the GPL-covered portions to be re-distributed), then the appropriate people should take appropriate steps.
Yah! Yah! It's cool just to get voices put to the names, but he also was fun to listen to.
I love listening to these shows... Keep it up! :-)
Don't knock all Anonymous Cowards. That one was posted to the Krull Invasion discussion and, as of this writing, is the last comment. I'm duplicating the information here because this topic had not yet been created when it was posted, and this is where it belongs.
Incidentally, I sitll love the show. Keep it up!
And if you're reading this, Rob, please consider allowing type= in the blockquote tags. It makes a very nice quoting method (type=cite is widely used in some of the Infoworld forums). I originally tried it here for this post, and it was eaten. :-) Thanks!
Man, I hate to do this, but...
Me too!.
I ended up with moderator access for the second time in 5 days today, and I started reading at threshold -1 and with greater care than normal. I was (and remain) careful in the use of those points, and I'd hate to have those controls all the time, but no idea of whether or not it's worth the effort.
However, if the non-point moderation had some sort of cumulative value (e.g. 25 "Interesting" labels = 1 moderator point), then I wouldn't mind so much. So, if 25 people agree that a particular comment = Interesting, it gets moderated up -- or if 1 moderator thinks so, it gets moderated up. (Obviously, I haven't thought this through 100%, but the kernel of the idea shows promise on initial examination.)
There was also another scheme (flagging posts) mentioned a few comments ago which accomplishes the same thing, but only with a moderator's active intercession.