The fact that there are actual shipping products that use Linux in embedded devices indicates that there are "real" uses. Try reading the article.
>Yes, but linux is a rather "large" OS.
I would tend to disagree with this.
Distributions of Linux tend to be very large. The size of the "operating system" is a very variable thing.
Of course, the kernel itself can be built to suit and can be made quite small. If you are building an embedded device, the list of stuff (outside of the kernel) you don't have to package on your system would trim down the size considerably:
no source code
no development libraries
no development tools
no X
probably only the one application for which the device exists instead of the hundreds that included in a typical distro.
"Linux" can be made small enough to fit on a floppy disk and run completely on a ramdisk (LRP).
My example is my 386 with 4 meg and 100 MB drive running my cable modem' masq box. I'm running a kernel with everything stripped out but the bare essentials. I'm using Debian with just the barest set of packages installed. This machine is a single-purpose device with a very small OS. If I had the time or needed to, I could probably make this even smaller.
The beauty of using Linux for these purposes is that you can trim it down to just the functionality to want/need to get it to fit into your device. At least, doing so is a lot cheaper than rolling your own OS.
Because this is/. and the 'editors' apparently, while picking stories from the submissions bin, give priority to summaries that have an anti-microsoft, anti-government, anti-intel, anti-[insert the rest here] slant.
They get more page hits that way.
I used to take/. story summaries with a grain of salt. Now I have one of those water softener blocks next to my PC.
>Can the sequels hope to acheive anything close to the same level of intrigue and interest with the closure of the first movie in mind
..and can the studios hope to acheive anything close to the same level of ROI as the first movie?
See, it doesn't really matter if the movie is really worthy of a sequel based on where the story left off as much as how much the studio thinks it can milk more money out of the appeal created by the first movie. It is called an 'incremental investment'.
Shoot - I just got finished putting this exact drive (75GXP) into my brother's TiVo for him. He called me last night saying that he noticed a lot of clicking sounds once in a while (almost like the normal headseek sounds, but a lot more frequent and louder).
I've had an added drive in my TiVo for a while now, and I can't remember hearing any kind of drive noise other than the normal whirring.
This would especially suk if I had to replace this drive. The Tivo's A drive (IIRC) must be restored from backup in order to work once a second drive is added and then removed (or replaced?)
>we Americans would like to apologize for Carrot Top
God that guy must scare little children. I used to think he was mildly amusing when he used to show up for 20-30 seconds at a time on Comedy Central's "Short Attention-Span Theatre" (anyone remember that show?)
But now AT&T got some wild hair up their @ss and hired them as their "1-800-callatt" spokeman. Just what the _hell_ is the reason for going with that freak of nature!?
> belive the explosion only had to weaken the metal substructure for the buildings to fall
Nope. The intense heat of the burning jet fuel weakening the structural steel is what supposedly caused the buildings to ultimately collapse.
The structure was designed to withstand temperatures of a 'normal' fire for something like two hours. The intense heat of the burning jet fuel caused the steel girders to weaken and collapse in much less time.
But think about it. If the impact of the planes were enough to bring down the towers, shouldn't they have toppled over right away?
as discussed last time, no one seems to be able to point to a clear-cut case of why this would be the case.
Panasonic licenses the technology needed to create cd-da, and will probably send lawyers after anyone who attempts to use their trademark without paying the required tribute.
But the claim that you must somehow meet the IEC 908 standard in order to legally use the trademark has not been backed up by any information I've seen presented thus far.
>So why is it that a company that creates a concept 1) never develops it 2) waits 9 years to begin to enforce it's patent after the technology has already been adopted by multiple vendors
Hmmm... according to the article:
"In 1996, a re-examination was requested, and on August 1, 2000 the patent was reissued by the Patent Office with the same filing date and additional claim coverage."
"TiVo was notified on April 4th, 2000 and again on May 23, 2001 that it was infringing on the patent and an offer to discuss licensing terms was extended."
So I read this as they had to go and get the thing re-issued (not sure who initiated the "re-examination request"). So from 96-2000 they didn't have a legal patent? When did TiVo start developing their implementation? The the USPO re-issues the patent retroactive to the original filing date and the _same year_ they start notifying TiVo.
I'm not defending their actions, but it doesn't seem as clear cut to me as "waits 9 years to begin to enforce it's patent after the technology has already been adopted by multiple vendors."
Our company was pretty slow in picking up on email outside the company. We got Notes not long after our 3270 consoles were replaced with PC's... oh about 92-93 I would say.
We were sending internal correspondence via notes for at least a couple years before they discovered interent email (one customer was completely baffled by the salesman's blank stare when asked for his email).
Funny thing is once we started exchanging email with our clients on a regular basis, most people still referred to them as 'Lotus Notes'.
"Hi, Joe... this is Sam from xyzcompany."
"Oh, hi... howya doin?"
"Good, good... say, you get that Lotus Note I sent you?"
"Wha???"
Re:"Pretty good article"
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"Suppose we put a cat in a cage with a radioactive atom, a Geiger counter, a hammer, and a poison bottle; further suppose that the atom in the cage has a half-life of one hour, a fifty-fifty chance of decaying within the hour. If the atom decays, the Geiger counter will tick; the triggering of the counter will activate the hammer, which will break the poison bottle, which will kill the cat. If the atom doesn't decay, none of the above things happen, and the cat will be alive. Now the question, What is the state of the cat after the hour? "
I'm in a Chicago suburb, and my service did start out as Continental. Right after I moved in, MediaOne bought this market.
>what do you mean TCI had swapped our market
Just that. TCI and Media One made a deal where they ended up trading some markets. Shortly after, TCI was bought by AT&T.
>I never remember having TCI for a cable provider,
Well, your experience proably vastly differs depending on what city you live in as this deal did not affect every market. But, as a matter of fact, we were never officially switched to TCI. It all happened in such rapid succession that we became AT&T Broadband customers directly from MediaOne without ever seeing TCI.
I didn't think that was the case. @home provides the mail personal web servers too. I always thought of @home as the ISP and AT&T Broadband as the transport provider (like phone company).
Interesting. I went to my mail client looking for something similar from AT&T... nothing. We moved over to @Home from MediaOne Express just last month. TCI had swapped our market with MediaOne just prior to AT&T buying them both, they left us pretty much alone for over a year (as MediaOne Express)
I guess (I hope) that not much would change for us if AT&T really does just siphon off @Home's infrastructure assets. I wonder if other cable operator's @Home customers will have it as easy?
OT - USA Today: Still bugs me how they put sentences together with little regard for safety of the reader:
"The Giant 4, a hoisting pontoon, will lift the 24,000-ton Kirsk off the floor of the Barents Sea, more than a year after it sank, killing all 118 crewmembers."
I had to stop and read this a couple times. How will lifting the 24,000-ton Kirsk off the bottom of the Barents Sea kill all 118 crewmembers>
Commas can help make a sentence easier to read. Unfortunately they can also make you go blind.
>the 2.5 version of the TiVo software includes a backdoor to enable 30 second skip
I took a look in the AVS Forum as you suggested (I got all excited thinking this feature was actually still available). I did find mention of this, but not with near the certainty that you expressed:
According to those whom attended the NY soiree, the word that RB used was that:30 skip "may" make it into 2.5 as a backdoor code! There is no certainty of this happening AFAWK.
>After you skip the right number of times you normally have to back up a little bit, so it is about as much fiddling with buttons as TiVo, and just slightly less time.
My Sony TiVo has a 'repeat' button that backs up the replay a few seconds (5, I think). I've found that I can hit FF the 3 times it takes to get it advancing at the highest rate, hit play as soon as I see the show starting back up, and hit replay if I've started a few seconds into the show.
TiVo also backs up a few seconds when you go from FF to play to compensate for reaction delay. I've read that there is a way to fine-tune this compensation-backup, but I've never tried to fiddle with it.
Well, you point to my own post and I don't consider the question answered.
The materials I found on Phillips site don't explicity state that a requirement of licensing their technology is that your products must conform to the standard in any way.
The file I found describes what the general terms of the licensing agreement are (if you pay $ you are allow to do x).
I'm sure the actual agreement contains much more precise language about the licensee's rights, responsibilities and obligations. _That's_ what I think would definitively answer this question.
"SunnComm said the leaked songs did not come from a cracked CD but were likely copied from an unprotected set of 2,000 CDs released in Australia."
Seems like this was a deliberate test to see how long it would take for a limited number of unprotected CDs to get ripped and put on the net. Nice convenient false argument, though. How can they really prove that the copies on the net came from Australia and not cracked CDs?
Still an unanswered question: do these 'copy protected' CDs still conform to IEC 908 and can they be legally marked with the compact disc digital audio emblem?
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Yup, I would get those same funky texture corruptions on my Matrox g400 card on win2k pro (the win98 version was fine, for some reason).
Downloading and installing the latest glsetup drivers fixed it.
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>Is there any "real" use
The fact that there are actual shipping products that use Linux in embedded devices indicates that there are "real" uses. Try reading the article.
>Yes, but linux is a rather "large" OS.
I would tend to disagree with this.
Distributions of Linux tend to be very large. The size of the "operating system" is a very variable thing.
Of course, the kernel itself can be built to suit and can be made quite small. If you are building an embedded device, the list of stuff (outside of the kernel) you don't have to package on your system would trim down the size considerably:
no source code
no development libraries
no development tools
no X
probably only the one application for which the device exists instead of the hundreds that included in a typical distro.
"Linux" can be made small enough to fit on a floppy disk and run completely on a ramdisk (LRP).
My example is my 386 with 4 meg and 100 MB drive running my cable modem' masq box. I'm running a kernel with everything stripped out but the bare essentials. I'm using Debian with just the barest set of packages installed. This machine is a single-purpose device with a very small OS. If I had the time or needed to, I could probably make this even smaller.
The beauty of using Linux for these purposes is that you can trim it down to just the functionality to want/need to get it to fit into your device. At least, doing so is a lot cheaper than rolling your own OS.
Because this is /. and the 'editors' apparently, while picking stories from the submissions bin, give priority to summaries that have an anti-microsoft, anti-government, anti-intel, anti-[insert the rest here] slant.
/. story summaries with a grain of salt. Now I have one of those water softener blocks next to my PC.
They get more page hits that way.
I used to take
I was being sarcastic, of course none of the commercial flichts have AC power.
>Do a google [google.com] search before posting.
No, I don't have that kind of time on my hands, thanks.
Shame, all the major airlines just finished installing all those 120V AC outlets on all their planes too!
Jim Carey? ;-)
"There... you have achieved omni-present, super-galactic one-ness."
"I have!!??"
"Yes... just now. I can see it in your eyes. You are more ONE than anybody else!"
>Can the sequels hope to acheive anything close to the same level of intrigue and interest with the closure of the first movie in mind
..and can the studios hope to acheive anything close to the same level of ROI as the first movie?
See, it doesn't really matter if the movie is really worthy of a sequel based on where the story left off as much as how much the studio thinks it can milk more money out of the appeal created by the first movie. It is called an 'incremental investment'.
Spaceballs, the sequel... the quest for cash
Shoot - I just got finished putting this exact drive (75GXP) into my brother's TiVo for him. He called me last night saying that he noticed a lot of clicking sounds once in a while (almost like the normal headseek sounds, but a lot more frequent and louder).
I've had an added drive in my TiVo for a while now, and I can't remember hearing any kind of drive noise other than the normal whirring.
This would especially suk if I had to replace this drive. The Tivo's A drive (IIRC) must be restored from backup in order to work once a second drive is added and then removed (or replaced?)
Anyone else have any experience with this?
>we Americans would like to apologize for Carrot Top
God that guy must scare little children. I used to think he was mildly amusing when he used to show up for 20-30 seconds at a time on Comedy Central's "Short Attention-Span Theatre" (anyone remember that show?)
But now AT&T got some wild hair up their @ss and hired them as their "1-800-callatt" spokeman. Just what the _hell_ is the reason for going with that freak of nature!?
> belive the explosion only had to weaken the metal substructure for the buildings to fall
Nope. The intense heat of the burning jet fuel weakening the structural steel is what supposedly caused the buildings to ultimately collapse.
The structure was designed to withstand temperatures of a 'normal' fire for something like two hours. The intense heat of the burning jet fuel caused the steel girders to weaken and collapse in much less time.
But think about it. If the impact of the planes were enough to bring down the towers, shouldn't they have toppled over right away?
as discussed last time, no one seems to be able to point to a clear-cut case of why this would be the case.
Panasonic licenses the technology needed to create cd-da, and will probably send lawyers after anyone who attempts to use their trademark without paying the required tribute.
But the claim that you must somehow meet the IEC 908 standard in order to legally use the trademark has not been backed up by any information I've seen presented thus far.
>So why is it that a company that creates a concept 1) never develops it 2) waits 9 years to begin to enforce it's patent after the technology has already been adopted by multiple vendors
Hmmm... according to the article:
"In 1996, a re-examination was requested, and on August 1, 2000 the patent was reissued by the Patent Office with the same filing date and additional claim coverage."
"TiVo was notified on April 4th, 2000 and again on May 23, 2001 that it was infringing on the patent and an offer to discuss licensing terms was extended."
So I read this as they had to go and get the thing re-issued (not sure who initiated the "re-examination request"). So from 96-2000 they didn't have a legal patent? When did TiVo start developing their implementation? The the USPO re-issues the patent retroactive to the original filing date and the _same year_ they start notifying TiVo.
I'm not defending their actions, but it doesn't seem as clear cut to me as "waits 9 years to begin to enforce it's patent after the technology has already been adopted by multiple vendors."
well, we call them "Lotus Notes" of course.
Our company was pretty slow in picking up on email outside the company. We got Notes not long after our 3270 consoles were replaced with PC's... oh about 92-93 I would say.
We were sending internal correspondence via notes for at least a couple years before they discovered interent email (one customer was completely baffled by the salesman's blank stare when asked for his email).
Funny thing is once we started exchanging email with our clients on a regular basis, most people still referred to them as 'Lotus Notes'.
"Hi, Joe... this is Sam from xyzcompany."
"Oh, hi... howya doin?"
"Good, good... say, you get that Lotus Note I sent you?"
"Wha???"
"Suppose we put a cat in a cage with a radioactive atom, a Geiger counter, a hammer, and a poison bottle; further suppose that the atom in the cage has a half-life of one hour, a fifty-fifty chance of decaying within the hour. If the atom decays, the Geiger counter will tick; the triggering of the counter will activate the hammer, which will break the poison bottle, which will kill the cat. If the atom doesn't decay, none of the above things happen, and the cat will be alive. Now the question, What is the state of the cat after the hour? "
I give up.
I'm in a Chicago suburb, and my service did start out as Continental. Right after I moved in, MediaOne bought this market.
>what do you mean TCI had swapped our market
Just that. TCI and Media One made a deal where they ended up trading some markets. Shortly after, TCI was bought by AT&T.
>I never remember having TCI for a cable provider,
Well, your experience proably vastly differs depending on what city you live in as this deal did not affect every market. But, as a matter of fact, we were never officially switched to TCI. It all happened in such rapid succession that we became AT&T Broadband customers directly from MediaOne without ever seeing TCI.
I didn't think that was the case. @home provides the mail personal web servers too. I always thought of @home as the ISP and AT&T Broadband as the transport provider (like phone company).
Interesting. I went to my mail client looking for something similar from AT&T... nothing. We moved over to @Home from MediaOne Express just last month. TCI had swapped our market with MediaOne just prior to AT&T buying them both, they left us pretty much alone for over a year (as MediaOne Express)
I guess (I hope) that not much would change for us if AT&T really does just siphon off @Home's infrastructure assets. I wonder if other cable operator's @Home customers will have it as easy?
OT - USA Today: Still bugs me how they put sentences together with little regard for safety of the reader:
"The Giant 4, a hoisting pontoon, will lift the 24,000-ton Kirsk off the floor of the Barents Sea, more than a year after it sank, killing all 118 crewmembers."
I had to stop and read this a couple times. How will lifting the 24,000-ton Kirsk off the bottom of the Barents Sea kill all 118 crewmembers>
Commas can help make a sentence easier to read. Unfortunately they can also make you go blind.
(666) - area code of the beast
"who is it honey?"
"It's the prince of darkness. He's calling to inform us that as of October 19th, his area code 666 will be changing to 721"
"oh, that's nice"
Thanks. Now I just have to wait for my stand-alone recorder to get the 2.5 upgrade (January, I heard?)
>the 2.5 version of the TiVo software includes a backdoor to enable 30 second skip
:30 skip "may" make it into 2.5 as a backdoor code! There is no certainty of this happening AFAWK.
I took a look in the AVS Forum as you suggested (I got all excited thinking this feature was actually still available). I did find mention of this, but not with near the certainty that you expressed:
According to those whom attended the NY soiree, the word that RB used was that
>After you skip the right number of times you normally have to back up a little bit, so it is about as much fiddling with buttons as TiVo, and just slightly less time.
My Sony TiVo has a 'repeat' button that backs up the replay a few seconds (5, I think). I've found that I can hit FF the 3 times it takes to get it advancing at the highest rate, hit play as soon as I see the show starting back up, and hit replay if I've started a few seconds into the show.
TiVo also backs up a few seconds when you go from FF to play to compensate for reaction delay. I've read that there is a way to fine-tune this compensation-backup, but I've never tried to fiddle with it.
Well, you point to my own post and I don't consider the question answered.
The materials I found on Phillips site don't explicity state that a requirement of licensing their technology is that your products must conform to the standard in any way.
The file I found describes what the general terms of the licensing agreement are (if you pay $ you are allow to do x).
I'm sure the actual agreement contains much more precise language about the licensee's rights, responsibilities and obligations. _That's_ what I think would definitively answer this question.
"SunnComm said the leaked songs did not come from a cracked CD but were likely copied from an unprotected set of 2,000 CDs released in Australia."
Seems like this was a deliberate test to see how long it would take for a limited number of unprotected CDs to get ripped and put on the net. Nice convenient false argument, though. How can they really prove that the copies on the net came from Australia and not cracked CDs?
Still an unanswered question: do these 'copy protected' CDs still conform to IEC 908 and can they be legally marked with the compact disc digital audio emblem?
Yup, I would get those same funky texture corruptions on my Matrox g400 card on win2k pro (the win98 version was fine, for some reason).
Downloading and installing the latest glsetup drivers fixed it.