The state of California pays for five years, Einstein. Regardless of that, after four years I think you could have saved to $2,500 to go another year unless you have a cocaine habit.
Secondly, you obviously never went to a fraternity party. Hmm, I guess that would make sense.
Not to mention the $200 they charge you for "installing" it.
That's ATT or SBC in my area and each of them all ready sucked me dry with overpriced long-distance or overpriced cable service. I no longer have cable because I refuse to pay $40 a month just to get basic. Plus, I can therefore afford $19.99 a month for my local ISP.
I believe in buying local because I want to support my local economy. It's a lot easier to go down personally and complain, too.
The "rest of us" had to take 10-16 courses in our college years to make up our general education requirements.
That meant me having to take physics and atmospheric science when I had to be dragged kicking and screaming. It meant taking math where I wanted to kick the instructor in the nuts. It meant taking chemistry and grinding my teeth. It meant me taking English courses where I was bored out of my mind.
So don't talk to me about "geeks" feeling bad about not getting a broad education. They should be. They have a right to understand more than engineering aspects and they should demand it. They should be able to get into an intellectual argument and make sense, even impress, someone from the history/classics/geography/English departments.
I also took two years of a foreign language, but I liked that. And I liked the biology. So I don't see taking other classes as something bad, but something that will show people all the interesting things out in the world.
College was great. The equal number of male:female ratio, the parties and then that pesky schooling getting in the way of it all.
I graduated after five years of college. Other people had six-year plans. At my university it was difficult to graduate in four, so people took the extra time to enjoy college life fully.
And in this economy, it's much better to delay graduation. I have to say as an adult, I occasionally long to see the comforting sight of a beer bong or a guy vomiting profusely on the carpet at a party.
Mine actually went through the School of Engineering and lowered GE requirements to only two classes in the School of Letters and Science.
Previously it was four classes.
Since I was an environmental science major, I was required to do something like 40 units, 10 classes of GEs. I don't see how engineering majors can get out of it.
And yes, I was forced to take Spanish, English, physics and atmospheric science as GEs. Well, I did want the Spanish.
...it's "survival of the fittest" which is a gem from Adam Smith, believer of social-Darwinism, not Darwin himself.
So, Adam Smith who also believed deeply in the "free market" economy would applaud Bill Gates for crushing his opposition to expand his empire.
The "free market" economy isn't about everyone being on their best behavior or people being ethical...it's the opposite. It just means there's no government regulation so businesses can do whatever they want. "Free market" economy doesn't mean different things, it simply means a market without government influence.
So if Bill Gates owns a huge software empire and decided to expand into public utilities, hardware or even bathroom supplies, so be it. Sink or swim, small businesses.
School of Engineering is different than School of Arts and Science/Letters and Science.
They have less general education requirements. At UCLA they only had to take 8 units of non-School of engineering classes. That's TWO classes.
They studied about 5-8 hours a day, never got laid and rarely showered. These guys needed to be saved from themselves by showing them women (yes there are a few women in engineering but they're widely underrepresented) getting them to understand the world can't be solved by an equation or logic. And for God's sake, get them to know at least an iota of what they love to argue about with economics, psychology and liberal arts majors.
Examples (All of these are true things said by engineers in my presence.)
"All communism is evil. A free-market economy is what is best for the world...Bill Gates is evil."
"Women are evil. Here's a proof explaining it."
"All people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and make their own way in the world.... Man, my parents forgot the check for my books."
Engineers need classes other than engineering ones.
By taking classes in history, humanities, etc. it will help them relate to other college students including the ones that party half the week at neighboring colleges. They might even have sex before they graduate.
I've found when I was in school that it was only engineers who thought they knew everything. They were in the School of Engineering which made them only take 2-4 classes of non-engineering classes their entire college career, but they were always the idiots who would argue with economics majors, history majors, psychology majors, etc. that they knew more about their subject than those majoring in them.
God, if I had dime for every time I've heard an engineer start arguing about the greatness of a "free market" economy I'd have a house on the central coast. Of course, then they disliked Bill Gates. This illogical thinking somehow was argued as logical and they kept bleating facts gleaned from a Time/Slashdot/Newsweek article about how they knew more than anyone else.
I've found that most engineers in an attempt to show they didn't completely waste their lives studying the most introverted subject on earth have to argue that they're intelligent.
Reading or learning about a subject is boring. Telling everyone you're an expert is easy.
So...you're probably a software engineer. You're not a hit with the ladies. You probably only have a girlfriend now because you make an OK salary and women as they get older want more money...the same women who pointedly ignored you in high school and college.
I know what you are. I know dozens of your type. You're not interesting or particularly intelligent. The only exception to this I found at MIT, where a few guys I lived with read literature, played two instruments and were a blast. I somehow doubt you're that evolved.
Intelligence, like attractiveness, is subjective, something you obviously don't understand.
I think programming C++ has got to be the most boring job on earth, but hey, the world has you to do that crap. Meanwhile, I'll be doing something else.
As for effect on the world, I volunteer with CASA, where I look out for the interests of children that are wards of the court. I can't think of a better way to change the world than by helping children not be molested or abused. I bet that kind of makes your argument about how great you are being an engineer kind of pointless, doesn't it?
I have to shake my head at people like you. You've given nothing to the world except your inflated idea of your own intelligence. And most people don't think you're that bright...but that's another story.
I'm done with you. You're too dense to follow basic threads.
Catch-phrases? Look tech-snob, either I'm an IT "princess" or I'm not, you seem to have no idea.
People like you are like gum on my shoe. You stupidly talk about things you know nothing about. What's the difference between a ruby and a sapphire? Do you know what a Canary diamond is? Do you even know what the four Cs are? Do you even know that diamonds come in various colors like blue, pink and red?
You don't. Now you understand why I think you're stupid. You get into an argument you know nothing about then argue with sheer density how you're right, even though you know nothign about the topic, because you now C++.
Knowing C++ does not make you intelligent or witty. It just make you able to read parts of a book. The world isn't made so people who know C++ will rule the world. The idiocy of this is very funny, especially you yelling at people, "I know C++, be my girlfriend!"
You don't know anything unless you look it up on the Internet. I addressed the topic at hand and said that unset diamonds are valuable. Set are not. I don't know what makes you so ridiculously stupid as to not understand that point...yet here you are, continuing to pretend you never saw it.
And telling me that you knowing C++ somehow makes you smarter. It doesn't. It just makes me think you're dull. That's the best accomplishment you can make? Not that, "Hey, I'm hot in bed!" or "I have a Ph.D in anything" or "I have a real girlfriend."
Your life must be excruciatingly boring. And you must be excruciatingly stupid as to think somehow anyone will be washing your clothes or dusting your house other than your mother.
I know several people who came from other countries and didn't even speak English. Yet made a thriving business and are doing better than you probably ever will. Because they have intelligence and ambition.
They don't sit on their lame-asses, tell people they know C++ and wait quietly for the revolution. There won't be one for you. Because you lack the ambition and passion to change your own life. You know a computer language and somehow your life will be easy? Hardly.
People like you have very linear thinking, very two-dimensional. Point A to Point B and life is written in black and white. How colorblind of you.
For real people without short-sightedness, life is a learning process. Knowing you have all the answers with no research and stupid logic just make for black eyes and broken noses.
You have no girlfriend unless she's using you as a meal ticket. You're an engineer of some kind, right?
I always find that people with little imagination paint other people with their failings. Does your life suck that much? Is this why you've pursued this for three days?
As for grammar, unless you're an English teacher, please refrain from giving anyone any lessons other than being an annoying git. You're colorless and pointless and even less exciting when attempting to impart your bits of knowledge.
And, wait a minute. I'm an IT "princess" before and now I read Cosmo and watch "Friends." Hmmm, are these all girls who rejected you recently? Well, yes, I'd certainly reject you so you've gotten that right.
It must be awful to be you and be jealous of so many other people. So frightened of women yet so rejected by them.
P.S. Dude, we all read "Brave New World" in high school and using "gamma" even then to describe people was tired. Read at least one book every five years.
Yes, I know I have the superior intellect, that's why I was taking you to school.
The dot-commer thing...interesting, but not quite true, although I am called princess by my husband but not because I'm affiliated with the tech industry. You must have very weird friends.
And oddly enough, you didn't mention if your "alleged" girlfriend frequently howls at the moon.
I guess you must find me threatening, so the one thing that scares you is -- dot-commers. How very odd.
I'll let you believe that so you can feel better about not getting the last speck of dirt off Dad's car or not being successful at unclogging that toilet. I can be charitable.
And I'll even ignore the fact that you're sooooo whipped that you take what your alleged girlfriend says over your own thinking. Brilliant!
Yes, I think you're an idiot, but now you've made me feel pity for you. Milquetoasts can never keep chicks because women usually like men with spines.
A periodical is a newspaper, a magazine, a journal that is published periodically. That's for your vocabulary building blocks, perhaps you can share it with your ESL class.
I seriously doubt you have a girlfriend, but aside from that...Apparently your alleged gf knows you're a cheap bastard but she's trying to get something cool from your locked wallet. So...does that mean she's a golddigger? I guess if she was real, anyway.
I don't think I ever said that diamonds were rare, dorkius geekus, are you attempting to read my mind? If you can, then you know I'm calling you a cheap-ass-motherfucker-pretend-girlfriend-who-does n't-read-a-periodical-never-get-laid-unless-she's- paid-who-never-went-to-the-prom-because-he-wouldn' t-buy-roses-because-they're-so-expensive-and-the-p implefaced-girl-ditched-your-sorry-ass.
As for the ruby, I have a few of those and sapphires, and topazes and garnets and etc., it's called owning a jewelry box, goofball. If she doesn't have any nice jewelry than it's your fault, cheappants....or she's ugly, but I don't know why you'd make up an ugly gf...maybe because of your low self-esteem.
Go out and buy your man-made ruby and enjoy, you freak. Maybe get it set in vermeil or pewter, you philistine.
And if I didn't make it clear, you're an idiot, chimpboy.
I'm sure gold bullion is too, let's eliminate that. And platinum, and maybe rubies and emeralds, too. Yeah, we'll show them!
Look, a diamond has re-sale value if it's unset. It loses it if it's set, just like driving a car off the dealership parking lot.
And yes, you can still get some of your money back if you go to a reputable dealer (don't go to a chain or the mall, go to family-owned business where the mark-up isn't so high, they have crap and they lie to you to get you to buy) and buy the stone....and then have it set, go together and choose it, make it special.
Get it appraised by the US Gemological Society (or whatever it is) and get on with life.
Yes, it's terrible the situations diamond miners are in Africa, it also sucks for all that child labor in Asia and Central America making your Gap/KMart/Target/Macy's clothes. It also sucks for them not to get you to buy their products so they lose the $5 a day they make.
It's good to have a conscience, but don't let one damn special on ABC's 20/20 do it. Research the issue, give money to the United Way or go to Africa and fight oppression -- but spare me the piddly sanctimonious crap of trying to get out of buying your decent, great girlfriend an expensive diamond.
I'm not believing it.
Yes, I'm female and I chose a.85 carat, grade E color, VS 1. And that, boys, is a damn fine ring.
I guess if you go to a somewhat decent-sized college, you'll have a chance with about 15,000 young women aged 18-25. And that's not even counting the girls from other colleges.
I hung out with plenty of engineering and computer science guys and they frequently had chicks tackling them.
I wanted to be a clinical psychologist when I was 18. I'm not even going to tell you what I am now because it would make my career choice at 18 hilarious.
College at least gives you two years before you even have to pick a major. Pick Philosophy, English, Applied Math, Engineering or Theater Arts, either way any job you want is looking for that college degree. Have that plus a few courses in what you plan on doing for the rest of your life and you're set.
Dude, you can't miss what college offers (and go away to college, at least two hours from home so you're not tempted to live at home!) Because it's great friendships, cool people, great parties and some classes in between.
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The state of California pays for five years, Einstein. Regardless of that, after four years I think you could have saved to $2,500 to go another year unless you have a cocaine habit.
Secondly, you obviously never went to a fraternity party. Hmm, I guess that would make sense.
c.
Not to mention the $200 they charge you for "installing" it.
That's ATT or SBC in my area and each of them all ready sucked me dry with overpriced long-distance or overpriced cable service. I no longer have cable because I refuse to pay $40 a month just to get basic. Plus, I can therefore afford $19.99 a month for my local ISP.
I believe in buying local because I want to support my local economy. It's a lot easier to go down personally and complain, too.
c.
Nope, just an inside joke to me.
:)
All engineers that I know of love to argue about the "free-market" economy.
But you're civil, so that barely counts
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The "rest of us" had to take 10-16 courses in our college years to make up our general education requirements.
That meant me having to take physics and atmospheric science when I had to be dragged kicking and screaming. It meant taking math where I wanted to kick the instructor in the nuts. It meant taking chemistry and grinding my teeth. It meant me taking English courses where I was bored out of my mind.
So don't talk to me about "geeks" feeling bad about not getting a broad education. They should be. They have a right to understand more than engineering aspects and they should demand it. They should be able to get into an intellectual argument and make sense, even impress, someone from the history/classics/geography/English departments.
I also took two years of a foreign language, but I liked that. And I liked the biology. So I don't see taking other classes as something bad, but something that will show people all the interesting things out in the world.
c.
College was great. The equal number of male:female ratio, the parties and then that pesky schooling getting in the way of it all.
I graduated after five years of college. Other people had six-year plans. At my university it was difficult to graduate in four, so people took the extra time to enjoy college life fully.
And in this economy, it's much better to delay graduation. I have to say as an adult, I occasionally long to see the comforting sight of a beer bong or a guy vomiting profusely on the carpet at a party.
c.
I don't have your character on my keyboard, but here goes.
Women = Money`2, therefore:
sqrt (Women)= sqrt (Money`2), therefore:
1/2 Women = 1/2 Evil (since the square root of money would be 1/2 Evil, right?)
1/2 Women = 1/2 Evil
Hmm, I wonder who the other half is?
c.
Mine actually went through the School of Engineering and lowered GE requirements to only two classes in the School of Letters and Science.
Previously it was four classes.
Since I was an environmental science major, I was required to do something like 40 units, 10 classes of GEs. I don't see how engineering majors can get out of it.
And yes, I was forced to take Spanish, English, physics and atmospheric science as GEs. Well, I did want the Spanish.
c.
...it's "survival of the fittest" which is a gem from Adam Smith, believer of social-Darwinism, not Darwin himself.
So, Adam Smith who also believed deeply in the "free market" economy would applaud
Bill Gates for crushing his opposition to expand his empire.
The "free market" economy isn't about everyone being on their best behavior or people being ethical...it's the opposite. It just means there's no government regulation so businesses can do whatever they want. "Free market" economy doesn't mean different things, it simply means a market without government influence.
So if Bill Gates owns a huge software empire and decided to expand into public utilities, hardware or even bathroom supplies, so be it. Sink or swim, small businesses.
You're not an engineer, are you?
c.
School of Engineering is different than School of Arts and Science/Letters and Science.
... Man, my parents forgot the check for my books."
They have less general education requirements. At UCLA they only had to take 8 units of non-School of engineering classes. That's TWO classes.
They studied about 5-8 hours a day, never got laid and rarely showered. These guys needed to be saved from themselves by showing them women (yes there are a few women in engineering but they're widely underrepresented) getting them to understand the world can't be solved by an equation or logic. And for God's sake, get them to know at least an iota of what they love to argue about with economics, psychology and liberal arts majors.
Examples (All of these are true things said by engineers in my presence.)
"All communism is evil. A free-market economy is what is best for the world...Bill Gates is evil."
"Women are evil. Here's a proof explaining it."
"All people should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and make their own way in the world.
Keep fighting the good fight, mhore!
c.
Engineers need classes other than engineering ones.
By taking classes in history, humanities, etc. it will help them relate to other college students including the ones that party half the week at neighboring colleges. They might even have sex before they graduate.
c.
I've found when I was in school that it was only engineers who thought they knew everything. They were in the School of Engineering which made them only take 2-4 classes of non-engineering classes their entire college career, but they were always the idiots who would argue with economics majors, history majors, psychology majors, etc. that they knew more about their subject than those majoring in them.
God, if I had dime for every time I've heard an engineer start arguing about the greatness of a "free market" economy I'd have a house on the central coast. Of course, then they disliked Bill Gates. This illogical thinking somehow was argued as logical and they kept bleating facts gleaned from a Time/Slashdot/Newsweek article about how they knew more than anyone else.
I've found that most engineers in an attempt to show they didn't completely waste their lives studying the most introverted subject on earth have to argue that they're intelligent.
Reading or learning about a subject is boring. Telling everyone you're an expert is easy.
So...you're probably a software engineer. You're not a hit with the ladies. You probably only have a girlfriend now because you make an OK salary and women as they get older want more money...the same women who pointedly ignored you in high school and college.
I know what you are. I know dozens of your type. You're not interesting or particularly intelligent. The only exception to this I found at MIT, where a few guys I lived with read literature, played two instruments and were a blast. I somehow doubt you're that evolved.
Intelligence, like attractiveness, is subjective, something you obviously don't understand.
I think programming C++ has got to be the most boring job on earth, but hey, the world has you to do that crap. Meanwhile, I'll be doing something else.
As for effect on the world, I volunteer with CASA, where I look out for the interests of children that are wards of the court. I can't think of a better way to change the world than by helping children not be molested or abused. I bet that kind of makes your argument about how great you are being an engineer kind of pointless, doesn't it?
I have to shake my head at people like you. You've given nothing to the world except your inflated idea of your own intelligence. And most people don't think you're that bright...but that's another story.
I'm done with you. You're too dense to follow basic threads.
c.
Is the crack you're smoking that good?
Catch-phrases? Look tech-snob, either I'm an IT "princess" or I'm not, you seem to have no idea.
People like you are like gum on my shoe. You stupidly talk about things you know nothing about. What's the difference between a ruby and a sapphire? Do you know what a Canary diamond is? Do you even know what the four Cs are? Do you even know that diamonds come in various colors like blue, pink and red?
You don't. Now you understand why I think you're stupid. You get into an argument you know nothing about then argue with sheer density how you're right, even though you know nothign about the topic, because you now C++.
Knowing C++ does not make you intelligent or witty. It just make you able to read parts of a book. The world isn't made so people who know C++
will rule the world. The idiocy of this is very funny, especially you yelling at people, "I know C++, be my girlfriend!"
You don't know anything unless you look it up on the Internet. I addressed the topic at hand and said that unset diamonds are valuable. Set are not. I don't know what makes you so ridiculously stupid as to not understand that point...yet here you are, continuing to pretend you never saw it.
And telling me that you knowing C++ somehow makes you smarter. It doesn't. It just makes me think you're dull. That's the best accomplishment you can make? Not that, "Hey, I'm hot in bed!" or "I have a Ph.D in anything" or "I have a real girlfriend."
Your life must be excruciatingly boring. And you must be excruciatingly stupid as to think somehow anyone will be washing your clothes or dusting your house other than your mother.
I know several people who came from other countries and didn't even speak English. Yet made a thriving business and are doing better than you probably ever will. Because they have intelligence and ambition.
They don't sit on their lame-asses, tell people they know C++ and wait quietly for the revolution. There won't be one for you. Because you lack the ambition and passion to change your own life. You know a computer language and somehow your life will be easy? Hardly.
People like you have very linear thinking, very two-dimensional. Point A to Point B and life is written in black and white. How colorblind of you.
For real people without short-sightedness, life is a learning process. Knowing you have all the answers with no research and stupid logic just make for black eyes and broken noses.
You have no girlfriend unless she's using you as a meal ticket. You're an engineer of some kind, right?
b.
Enjoy your mediocre gamma/epsilon life.
I always find that people with little imagination paint other people with their failings. Does your life suck that much? Is this why you've pursued this for three days?
As for grammar, unless you're an English teacher, please refrain from giving anyone any lessons other than being an annoying git. You're colorless and pointless and even less exciting when attempting to impart your bits of knowledge.
And, wait a minute. I'm an IT "princess" before and now I read Cosmo and watch "Friends." Hmmm, are these all girls who rejected you recently? Well, yes, I'd certainly reject you so you've gotten that right.
It must be awful to be you and be jealous of so many other people. So frightened of women yet so rejected by them.
P.S. Dude, we all read "Brave New World" in high school and using "gamma" even then to describe people was tired. Read at least one book every five years.
c.
Yes, I know I have the superior intellect, that's why I was taking you to school.
The dot-commer thing...interesting, but not quite true, although I am called princess by my husband but not because I'm affiliated with the tech industry. You must have very weird friends.
And oddly enough, you didn't mention if your "alleged" girlfriend frequently howls at the moon.
I guess you must find me threatening, so the one thing that scares you is -- dot-commers. How very odd.
I'll let you believe that so you can feel better about not getting the last speck of dirt off Dad's car or not being successful at unclogging that toilet. I can be charitable.
And I'll even ignore the fact that you're sooooo whipped that you take what your alleged girlfriend says over your own thinking. Brilliant!
Yes, I think you're an idiot, but now you've made me feel pity for you. Milquetoasts can never keep chicks because women usually like men with spines.
A periodical is a newspaper, a magazine, a journal that is published periodically. That's for your vocabulary building blocks, perhaps you can share it with your ESL class.
c.
Look, Moronitron:
s n't-read-a-periodical-never-get-laid-unless-she's- paid-who-never-went-to-the-prom-because-he-wouldn' t-buy-roses-because-they're-so-expensive-and-the-p implefaced-girl-ditched-your-sorry-ass.
I seriously doubt you have a girlfriend, but aside from that...Apparently your alleged gf knows you're a cheap bastard but she's trying to get something cool from your locked wallet. So...does that mean she's a golddigger? I guess if she was real, anyway.
I don't think I ever said that diamonds were rare, dorkius geekus, are you attempting to read my mind? If you can, then you know I'm calling you a cheap-ass-motherfucker-pretend-girlfriend-who-doe
As for the ruby, I have a few of those and sapphires, and topazes and garnets and etc., it's called owning a jewelry box, goofball. If she doesn't have any nice jewelry than it's your fault, cheappants....or she's ugly, but I don't know why you'd make up an ugly gf...maybe because of your low self-esteem.
Go out and buy your man-made ruby and enjoy, you freak. Maybe get it set in vermeil or pewter, you philistine.
And if I didn't make it clear, you're an idiot, chimpboy.
c.
I'm sure gold bullion is too, let's eliminate that. And platinum, and maybe rubies and emeralds, too. Yeah, we'll show them!
.85 carat, grade E color, VS 1. And that, boys, is a damn fine ring.
Look, a diamond has re-sale value if it's unset. It loses it if it's set, just like driving a car off the dealership parking lot.
And yes, you can still get some of your money back if you go to a reputable dealer (don't go to a chain or the mall, go to family-owned business where the mark-up isn't so high, they have crap and they lie to you to get you to buy) and buy the stone....and then have it set, go together and choose it, make it special.
Get it appraised by the US Gemological Society (or whatever it is) and get on with life.
Yes, it's terrible the situations diamond miners are in Africa, it also sucks for all that child labor in Asia and Central America making your Gap/KMart/Target/Macy's clothes. It also sucks for them not to get you to buy their products so they lose the $5 a day they make.
It's good to have a conscience, but don't let one damn special on ABC's 20/20 do it. Research the issue, give money to the United Way or go to Africa and fight oppression -- but spare me the piddly sanctimonious crap of trying to get out of buying your decent, great girlfriend an expensive diamond.
I'm not believing it.
Yes, I'm female and I chose a
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...I saw plenty o'geekboys getting plenty.
I guess if you go to a somewhat decent-sized college, you'll have a chance with about 15,000 young women aged 18-25. And that's not even counting the girls from other colleges.
I hung out with plenty of engineering and computer science guys and they frequently had chicks tackling them.
I wanted to be a clinical psychologist when I was 18. I'm not even going to tell you what I am now because it would make my career choice at 18 hilarious.
College at least gives you two years before you even have to pick a major. Pick Philosophy, English, Applied Math, Engineering or Theater Arts, either way any job you want is looking for that college degree. Have that plus a few courses in what you plan on doing for the rest of your life and you're set.
Dude, you can't miss what college offers (and go away to college, at least two hours from home so you're not tempted to live at home!) Because it's great friendships, cool people, great parties and some classes in between.
Go or forever regret it.
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