The main capitalist game today is centered on appropriation by a very small number of persons of the value produced the collective contribution of a very large number of people. I would argue that a very large part of the large fortunes are more of the result of an appropriation game than a wealth production activity.
And a conjecture:
"An equilibrium distribution of wealth in a society should resemble to a great extent the Boltzmann distribution of energy in a closed system of interacting particles."
If you really wanna go, someday, maybe...
1. Start with the Moon. Grow a robotic settlement there... energy grid, and communications.
2. Have the robots build a shirt sleeve environment; inflatables or a cave.
3. Settle some people( at huge cost initially) and learn to produce some basic needs from the land (oooopps, MOON)!
4.....
The technology required for wormholes is so far removed from our current and plausible near-future capabilities that to throw lots of money at it would almost certainly be a total boondoggle.
So basically what he's saying is we might as well dump the money into a black hole. Sounds like most government programs.
"warp drive or a traversable wormhole is so far, far, far beyond the technology needed for a laser sail or a nuclear-pulse rocket that I would not be in favor of putting any significant resources into trying to develop it."
Hmmm. But a wormhole might get us interstellar, while laser sail or nuclear-pulsed rocket , certainly not. Reaction engines, whatever the source of energy are inherently limited.. Damn Tsyolkowsky!
First: Why are these people doing it?
Second: If they really want to jump that high, why do it with a winged vehicle? (It's an acceleration/deceleration trip, it's not a cruise trip).
Use a rocket stage to sling up, and a parachute, retro-rocket for descent and landing!
In the short term of two decades there is no meaningful purpose in sending humans to Mars.
The way robotic and human exploration of the solar system is:
1. Start an OPEN Foundation Model of exploration: open to all (government institutions, enterprises, institutes, individuals).
2. Start with the Moon surface.
3. Define a road-map for explorations: locate suitable sites on the Moon surface. Land (Selenize) a robotic colony on site.
4. Have the robotic colony establish energy grid and communications infra-structure on site. (Practice on a remote Earth environment with a reality show
environment for entertainment, collect funds, and generate visibility to the project.
5. Have robots assemble a shirt sleeve human environment on the Moon surface. May in underground caves or inflatable tents.
6. Send people to live on the Moon.
7. Then... on to Mars?!
I would not assume human consciousness and human memory are not binary and deterministic the way machines are.
Human memory and human consciousness are the results of multi-state (almost continuous) arrangements of the brain cells and the diffuse connections between these cells (dont's ask me to explain these! Yes I talk to God!!!)
Putting things into perspective:
Solar radiation power hitting the Earth: ~1.4 e17 W. That is equivalent to the kinetic energy of half a million tons of material hitting the Earth with a velocity of 20 km/s (every second).
If there is not enough energy to destroy the Earth, than what counts is not the total amount of energy but the intensity of energy release.
Think of one kilogram of gasoline burning slowly and and one kilogram of TNT, EXPLODING! About the same amount of energy, Very different results.
No kaboom here. No sound propagation in vacuum. Only thru the lunar soil itself. Standing on the Moon you might feel it from your boots but you wouldn't hear it.
Actually there is a difference between grocery store goods and publications. Grocery stores goods consumption is rival (if I eat this lettuce you cannot eat the same lettuce). Publications and information goods in general are non-rival. Once provided an indefinite number of individuals can use the information from the a publication without depleting it.
The problem with collecting the value of publication is that it is very thinly distributed and very difficult to valuate a priori. So individual producers of the publications don't bother to try to collect on it's value. Publisher houses, working on bulk have the means to collect at least part of the value.
It is arguable that the actual value of all the publications is higher than what is collected by the publishers, and if universally and freely available would generate
even higher returns for society in general. The problem is in determining a priori what is the value of individual publications.
It is also arguable that a the value of a very high percentage of the publications is NULL. We just do not have the means to validate and accredit the value.
The best that can be done is open everything and let time and usage determine true value... Still there are no guarantees..
For interstellar or intergalactic migration of life there should be some type of transportation that we cannot presently think of. For all practical means, propulsion based on mechanical momentum exchange is limited to a few tens of kilometers per second. This hold true even if one can unlock energy sources of nuclear fission, fusion or anti-mater. Unless we can find some king of symmetry allowing teleportation, it's gonna be each species with it's own star system.
The explosion of an atomic bomb on the Earth surface will not change it's orbit, unless it send large chunks of matter into escape trajectory. Alas, even with the large energy release of an atomic bomb this is unlikely. No evidence of this effect noted on the many test carried out underground or the the surface. Remember that changes the orbit of a body on a gravitational field includes energy and momentum considerations.
Further more, were this to happen we would have powerful rockets to send huge payloads into space.
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The main capitalist game today is centered on appropriation by a very small number of persons of the value produced the collective contribution of a very large number of people. I would argue that a very large part of the large fortunes are more of the result of an appropriation game than a wealth production activity. And a conjecture: "An equilibrium distribution of wealth in a society should resemble to a great extent the Boltzmann distribution of energy in a closed system of interacting particles."
Nahhh! Can't anybody play this game anymore?
252 milion years BC.... really?!
The only open way into a viable future is OPEN
If you really wanna go, someday, maybe... 1. Start with the Moon. Grow a robotic settlement there... energy grid, and communications. 2. Have the robots build a shirt sleeve environment; inflatables or a cave. 3. Settle some people( at huge cost initially) and learn to produce some basic needs from the land (oooopps, MOON)! 4. ....
Waa.... waaa... waiitttt! Where are the adults hiding in this game? OK, I get it April 1st only two days off.
Any human in this thread?
Where resource are plenty cooperations is advantageous. If resource are scarce, sharper, bigger tees win.
The technology required for wormholes is so far removed from our current and plausible near-future capabilities that to throw lots of money at it would almost certainly be a total boondoggle.
So basically what he's saying is we might as well dump the money into a black hole. Sounds like most government programs.
"warp drive or a traversable wormhole is so far, far, far beyond the technology needed for a laser sail or a nuclear-pulse rocket that I would not be in favor of putting any significant resources into trying to develop it." Hmmm. But a wormhole might get us interstellar, while laser sail or nuclear-pulsed rocket , certainly not. Reaction engines, whatever the source of energy are inherently limited.. Damn Tsyolkowsky!
First: Why are these people doing it? Second: If they really want to jump that high, why do it with a winged vehicle? (It's an acceleration/deceleration trip, it's not a cruise trip). Use a rocket stage to sling up, and a parachute, retro-rocket for descent and landing!
The equilibrium distribution of disposable income should follow a Boltzmann curve,
Without ground contact how is this vehicle is going go to be steered? Roads do have curves! Lot's a curves!
In the short term of two decades there is no meaningful purpose in sending humans to Mars. The way robotic and human exploration of the solar system is: 1. Start an OPEN Foundation Model of exploration: open to all (government institutions, enterprises, institutes, individuals). 2. Start with the Moon surface. 3. Define a road-map for explorations: locate suitable sites on the Moon surface. Land (Selenize) a robotic colony on site. 4. Have the robotic colony establish energy grid and communications infra-structure on site. (Practice on a remote Earth environment with a reality show environment for entertainment, collect funds, and generate visibility to the project. 5. Have robots assemble a shirt sleeve human environment on the Moon surface. May in underground caves or inflatable tents. 6. Send people to live on the Moon. 7. Then ... on to Mars?!
Spell it out: Teleportation. It is not impossible. Must first find an appropriate ecosystem. Need wormholes for both missions.
Remove one of the two "not's". My mistake, not God's!
I would not assume human consciousness and human memory are not binary and deterministic the way machines are. Human memory and human consciousness are the results of multi-state (almost continuous) arrangements of the brain cells and the diffuse connections between these cells (dont's ask me to explain these! Yes I talk to God!!!)
Will somebody with the mod points, mod this up?
Putting things into perspective: Solar radiation power hitting the Earth: ~1.4 e17 W. That is equivalent to the kinetic energy of half a million tons of material hitting the Earth with a velocity of 20 km/s (every second).
If there is not enough energy to destroy the Earth, than what counts is not the total amount of energy but the intensity of energy release. Think of one kilogram of gasoline burning slowly and and one kilogram of TNT, EXPLODING! About the same amount of energy, Very different results.
No kaboom here. No sound propagation in vacuum. Only thru the lunar soil itself. Standing on the Moon you might feel it from your boots but you wouldn't hear it.
Actually there is a difference between grocery store goods and publications. Grocery stores goods consumption is rival (if I eat this lettuce you cannot eat the same lettuce). Publications and information goods in general are non-rival. Once provided an indefinite number of individuals can use the information from the a publication without depleting it. The problem with collecting the value of publication is that it is very thinly distributed and very difficult to valuate a priori. So individual producers of the publications don't bother to try to collect on it's value. Publisher houses, working on bulk have the means to collect at least part of the value. It is arguable that the actual value of all the publications is higher than what is collected by the publishers, and if universally and freely available would generate even higher returns for society in general. The problem is in determining a priori what is the value of individual publications. It is also arguable that a the value of a very high percentage of the publications is NULL. We just do not have the means to validate and accredit the value. The best that can be done is open everything and let time and usage determine true value... Still there are no guarantees..
your eyesight is 20/20.
For interstellar or intergalactic migration of life there should be some type of transportation that we cannot presently think of. For all practical means, propulsion based on mechanical momentum exchange is limited to a few tens of kilometers per second. This hold true even if one can unlock energy sources of nuclear fission, fusion or anti-mater. Unless we can find some king of symmetry allowing teleportation, it's gonna be each species with it's own star system.
The explosion of an atomic bomb on the Earth surface will not change it's orbit, unless it send large chunks of matter into escape trajectory. Alas, even with the large energy release of an atomic bomb this is unlikely. No evidence of this effect noted on the many test carried out underground or the the surface. Remember that changes the orbit of a body on a gravitational field includes energy and momentum considerations. Further more, were this to happen we would have powerful rockets to send huge payloads into space.
The lunar gravity is approximately 1/6 of the Earth surface gravity, it is no micro gravity..