Probably not much more painful than the original NES and 2600 joysticks
The NES didn't come with a joystick, it had a joypad. Later Nintendo simultaneously came out with the Max (similar to a joypad, but used a sliding tab instead of the standard cross rockers), and the Advantage (a joystick and large buttons making a reasonable standup controller facsimile).
The 2600 had a true joystick. It wasn't painful at all. In retrospect, a stiff, but not painful.
Now in the interest of full disclosure I did hurt my hand on a 2600 controller before. I was playing Defender all day everyday one summer when I was 6 or so and I got a blister on my left hand from sticks base slightly rubbing the webing between my thumb and forefinger. I didn't stop playing though. My mom gave me a a white glove to wear, so I made like Michael Jackson and kept playing for as long as I could. I loved Defender, because I was really, really, really good at it. (reaching levels beyond 100 was routine.)
Creation science is both a cause and an effect of American intellectual decline. There are disturbing parallels between the rise of literalist Christianity in America and in Rome. In Rome, Christianity started as mysticism, mutated into a malignant populist movement suspicious of intelligence and learning, and ended up destroying the very knowledge needed to sustain the empire (the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria was but one of the atrocities committed.) Barbarism took the empire from within.
That's strange, I've always heard it was Caliph Omar and the Muslims in 640 CE. You know, "If they are in accordance with the Koran, then they are unneeded, as the Koran is all we need. If they are not in accordance with the Koran, then they are of no consquence.".
The barbarians (i.e. the visigoths, and the huns) were outside the empire, not within. The rise of Christianity in the Roman empire came about when the elite became Christians (not for any divine reason, but rather because it became the hip thing to do) and then enforced it on the population.
That's not to say Christianity is blameless. The unexpected Spanish Inquisition is enough evidence of that. However the problem isn't with Christianity specifically, but rather all fundamentalist/literalist religion. And yes, that is on the rise in America.
All too often brilliant kids "slip through the cracks" because the classes are only taught to tailor to a single style of learning. For athletic students, it's not uncommon that their "coach" talks to the teacher and lest them slip by classes... creating one click, then you have the kids who are bored with the material (not fast enough) another click (note these kids often do bad because they simply dont bother) then you have the "go with the flow" kids who do everything their told and are disliked by the other groups because they're selling their souls to satan...err the school board.
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I could go on for hours listing problems with todays school system
I just wish the school system would teach the difference between "click" the sound effect, and "clique" the small group.
Futurama lasted only 72 episodes, yet is still doing perfectly well in 5-a-week infinite reruns on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.
Yes, but that's CN. It runs 6 episode Fooly Cooly (aka FLCL) 4 times in row, then stops, and now is running it again. It's been running 26 episode Cowboy Bebop nonstop for almost 3 years now. Not to disparage these shows at all, they're all excellent animes, but CN can hardly be held up as an example of proper syndication runs.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
Yes it does , you can use the full C API in C++ and for simple things it used to be quicker though I don't think thats the case any longer.
Using free(3), malloc(3) and all the other C memory allocation functions in C++ is bad form. They don't call the constructors and destructors. That's why there's new and delete.
Basically what you're describing is intelligent shuffle. The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist. (It would do genere too, but there's no clear way to identify generes outside of examining a large number of user's collection clustering (cddb and id3 tags have too much variation)
It doesn't do time decay, which is a feature that should be added.
Ignoring the sacrifice of those soldiers in Iraq, and blowing it all off as another "West Bank" is disgraceful,
"Blowing it off"? You're the one who said it wasn't that big of a deal. In fact you said "So what?".
The West bank comment was in regards to the type of combat (as opposed to Vietnam). Iraq is urban combat with a hostile population. Lots of gunmen and improvised explosives, with regular suicide bombings targeting civilians and property. All of this without a clear exit strategy. We can't leave, because Iraq will descend into chaos. We can't stay because they hate us, and they view our hand-picked interm govenrment as a puppet.
Protecting America is a worthwhile goal.
Wow. Your strong statements cower me. There isn't one American who would disagree with that statement. You might as well said "Oxygen is important.".
The problem with Iraq, is that it doesn't have anything to do with protecting America, and there is growing evidence that is counterproductive. (As Rummy said "How do we know we're not creating more terrorists than we're capturing or killing?".) For years the radicals in the middle east said, "America just wants our oil, and they'll take it if we don't give it to them." So what do we do? We invade and occupy an oil rich Arab nation. We do this on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction, when it is now clear that they were destroyed years ago. We used known bad intellegence (i.e. Nigerian yellowcake, Iraq's ties to '93 WTC bombing, Iraq's ties to 9/11), we used intellegence from biased sources with ulterior motives (i.e. Ahmad Chalabi, and the rest of the INC), and when all that wasn't enough, the government created a special group (the Office of Special Projects) to promote "strategic intelligence" and the cost of fully vetting it to support the run up invasion.
Stopping Saddam's men from torturing his own citizens is a worthwhile goal.
So why aren't we stopping China, or North Korea, or the Saudis? There's lot of tyranical regimes who torture their own citizens. Quite frankly it's not our job, and sadly in some instances (i.e Saudi Arabia) not in our interest to knock off these regimes. In the end, it's bad policy to follow feel-good diplomacy. The US government has only one job, promote and protect the vital interests of the United States.
The problem with using the "Think of the children!" rationale for the war is that it wasn't the reason put to the American people. If that's what the war was going to be about, then why wasn't that stated? One could have made the case. I trust the American people to make a well considered decision about whether or not to send our young citizens halfway around to the world to maim and kill, and sadly to be maimed and killed, when told the truth. We weren't.
And to think that people portray Kerry, who was awarded a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, a war hero! Damn liberals.
Bush was doing 3am scrambles over the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico to counter unknown inbound threats. And if Kerry was a real warrior with any brains he wouldn't have gotten himself wounded three times.:P
Is he a troll or just another chicken hawk neocon? Appears to be the later, so I'll play.
Yes, American soldiers are dying in Iraq. So what? That isn't the worst way to go.
If you're such a fan of the war, and think getting you legs blown off by a roadside bomb or getting killed "isn't the worst way to go" why don't you volunteer? You're what 23? 24? You've already have your BS, you could go in as an officer. The military is always looking for bright young men.
Only someone with no family over there would say such an absurd thing. You've never seen war. I don't think you've even talked to, really talked to, someone who has. Go down to the VA hospital. Talk to some Vietnam vet. Talk to some Korean or WWII vet. When they tell you about how their friend bled to death in front of them, say "Hey! That's not such a bad way to go!" Look on the brightside. You'll already be at the hospital when they break your nose.
The original question was different, originally the question was whether they should be held liable
While not liable in the legal sense is one thing. Even if they were legally liable, the is a very real question about who would be able to bring suit against them, since those being directly affected are not allowed to.
The central thesis of the arguments against the router manufacturers who give material aid to tyrannical regimes are morally liable.
Let's not make any bones about it, China is a tyranical regime. The only real question is whether are they are still (and if so for how much longer) a communist regime or just another run the mill despotic regime.)
If the U.S. government actually punished China or other countries for human rights violations then the story would be different.
also, companies don't execute people. The question isn't whether or not companies are allowed to provide material support to tyrants, but whether they should, and whether we should patron those companies.
I know it's bad form to post two replies to the same post, but I feel I need to elaborate.
Cisco and others don't just provide a box. They help set it up and support it. That's part of the deal when you pay millions.
If someone runs me over with their car intentionally then I cannot sue the car manufacturer nor should I be able to.
While you couldn't sue the manufacturer, you could bring a suit against the one who sold the car if the driver said. "I want to buy a car so I can run over that dirty SOB. I'm serious. I want to kill him. Give me the widest thing you've got. I'm going to kill him." Now if the driver simply said "I want a car to take the kids to school.", or whatever, then you couldn't bring a suit. It's the prior knowledge, that causes the problem.
Ultimately blame lays in the most direct path unless their is collusion involved.
Well that's the allegation. That Cisco and the rest are in collusion.
I see your principle, but has browsing the Internet been established as a Human Right?
No, but free expression of politcal dissent is. The train of logic is that if you provide material support knowing that it will be used to arrest political dissidents, then you are an accessory to the tyrants' crimes.
The Department of State (I believe)
It's Commerce.
establishes export controls to police this sort of thing.
The export controls tend to deal more with things that can be used against the country of origin. How the exports are used in the country of destination, I don't think are typically dealt with. When exports are limited because of how they are used in the country of destinations, it tends to be an embargo because of some international crisis of some sort. (Or atleast that's been my observation.)
Quite frankly, most of the time countries don't give a damn about the internal matters of foriegn countries. That's why cheap weapons continue to flow into, and commodities like diamonds flow out of countries with long lasting civil wars. That doesn't make it right though.
If Cisco is not in violation of export controls, are they doing something that society has deemed wrong?
While it's not against the law to say "get the hell out of my way bitch!" when you bump into someone all the street, it's not really something society smiles upon either.
If I take 4 drums of fuel oil and 2,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate I can plant 100 acres of corn with a tractor or build a car bomb. If I choose the latter it's the fault of the oil and fertilizer companies? I don't think so.
These are disanalogous situations. A more analgous situation would be, you buy the fuel oil an fertilizer, and the feedstore says, "Here's your free bomb making instruction manual. Wait, you're building it wrong. Here, let me show you... See how easy that was? Oh you want it placed under the building across town? Sure, we can deliver it for you. Here you go. Just press that button, and you're all set. Just remember, though, we're not responsible."
The companies are in violation of the U.N. Human Rights Norm for Business (August 2003), which states, "enterprises shall refrain from any activity which supports, solicits, or encourages States or any other entities to abuse human rights. They shall further seek to ensure that the goods and services they provide will not be used to abuse human rights". They know when they sold the router/filter/firewall system whether or not it was going to be used to route intracompany emails or be part of the Great Firewall of China (or whatever country). The technical specs requested by the Ministry of Internal Security tell them that.
While Cicso and the rest may not be actively imprisioning dissidents, they are knowingly enabling the totalitarian regimes to do so. That makes them an accessory to their crimes. Additionally one could make the argument that Cicso and the rest are in conflict with policies of the United States (and no doubt other democratic nations) when they provide goods and services that are actively used to counter the pro-democracy programs the United States (and other democratic nations).
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Probably not much more painful than the original NES and 2600 joysticks
The NES didn't come with a joystick, it had a joypad. Later Nintendo simultaneously came out with the Max (similar to a joypad, but used a sliding tab instead of the standard cross rockers), and the Advantage (a joystick and large buttons making a reasonable standup controller facsimile).
The 2600 had a true joystick. It wasn't painful at all. In retrospect, a stiff, but not painful.
Now in the interest of full disclosure I did hurt my hand on a 2600 controller before. I was playing Defender all day everyday one summer when I was 6 or so and I got a blister on my left hand from sticks base slightly rubbing the webing between my thumb and forefinger. I didn't stop playing though. My mom gave me a a white glove to wear, so I made like Michael Jackson and kept playing for as long as I could. I loved Defender, because I was really, really, really good at it. (reaching levels beyond 100 was routine.)
Creation science is both a cause and an effect of American intellectual decline. There are disturbing parallels between the rise of literalist Christianity in America and in Rome. In Rome, Christianity started as mysticism, mutated into a malignant populist movement suspicious of intelligence and learning, and ended up destroying the very knowledge needed to sustain the empire (the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria was but one of the atrocities committed.) Barbarism took the empire from within.
That's strange, I've always heard it was Caliph Omar and the Muslims in 640 CE. You know, "If they are in accordance with the Koran, then they are unneeded, as the Koran is all we need. If they are not in accordance with the Koran, then they are of no consquence.".
However, in all honesty no one really knows.
The barbarians (i.e. the visigoths, and the huns) were outside the empire, not within. The rise of Christianity in the Roman empire came about when the elite became Christians (not for any divine reason, but rather because it became the hip thing to do) and then enforced it on the population.
That's not to say Christianity is blameless. The unexpected Spanish Inquisition is enough evidence of that. However the problem isn't with Christianity specifically, but rather all fundamentalist/literalist religion. And yes, that is on the rise in America.
All too often brilliant kids "slip through the cracks" because the classes are only taught to tailor to a single style of learning. For athletic students, it's not uncommon that their "coach" talks to the teacher and lest them slip by classes... creating one click, then you have the kids who are bored with the material (not fast enough) another click (note these kids often do bad because they simply dont bother) then you have the "go with the flow" kids who do everything their told and are disliked by the other groups because they're selling their souls to satan...err the school board.
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I could go on for hours listing problems with todays school system
I just wish the school system would teach the difference between "click" the sound effect, and "clique" the small group.
(I"m sorry, but it was just so damn easy.)
Futurama lasted only 72 episodes, yet is still doing perfectly well in 5-a-week infinite reruns on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.
Yes, but that's CN. It runs 6 episode Fooly Cooly (aka FLCL) 4 times in row, then stops, and now is running it again. It's been running 26 episode Cowboy Bebop nonstop for almost 3 years now. Not to disparage these shows at all, they're all excellent animes, but CN can hardly be held up as an example of proper syndication runs.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist.
"C++ does not have 'free'."
Yes it does , you can use the full C API in C++ and for simple things it used to be quicker though I don't think thats the case any longer.
Using free(3), malloc(3) and all the other C memory allocation functions in C++ is bad form. They don't call the constructors and destructors. That's why there's new and delete.
Use the language right people.
Could be a bad idea, as it would set up a positive feedback loop, which could cause emotionally unstable people to crack.
You say this as a joke, but you're right. I can attest, listening to Nine Inch Nails when you're depressed, isn't a smart thing to do.
Basically what you're describing is intelligent shuffle. The jukebox Grind incorporates intellegent shuffling based on past user history. The more you queue a song up, the more likely it will be randomly picked. The more you say "no I don't like that random song", the less likely it will be picked. Furthermore, it identifies your preferences not only by individual song, but also by album and artist. (It would do genere too, but there's no clear way to identify generes outside of examining a large number of user's collection clustering (cddb and id3 tags have too much variation)
It doesn't do time decay, which is a feature that should be added.
Ignoring the sacrifice of those soldiers in Iraq, and blowing it all off as another "West Bank" is disgraceful,
"Blowing it off"? You're the one who said it wasn't that big of a deal. In fact you said "So what?".
The West bank comment was in regards to the type of combat (as opposed to Vietnam). Iraq is urban combat with a hostile population. Lots of gunmen and improvised explosives, with regular suicide bombings targeting civilians and property. All of this without a clear exit strategy. We can't leave, because Iraq will descend into chaos. We can't stay because they hate us, and they view our hand-picked interm govenrment as a puppet.
Protecting America is a worthwhile goal.
Wow. Your strong statements cower me. There isn't one American who would disagree with that statement. You might as well said "Oxygen is important.".
The problem with Iraq, is that it doesn't have anything to do with protecting America, and there is growing evidence that is counterproductive. (As Rummy said "How do we know we're not creating more terrorists than we're capturing or killing?".) For years the radicals in the middle east said, "America just wants our oil, and they'll take it if we don't give it to them." So what do we do? We invade and occupy an oil rich Arab nation. We do this on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction, when it is now clear that they were destroyed years ago. We used known bad intellegence (i.e. Nigerian yellowcake, Iraq's ties to '93 WTC bombing, Iraq's ties to 9/11), we used intellegence from biased sources with ulterior motives (i.e. Ahmad Chalabi, and the rest of the INC), and when all that wasn't enough, the government created a special group (the Office of Special Projects) to promote "strategic intelligence" and the cost of fully vetting it to support the run up invasion.
Stopping Saddam's men from torturing his own citizens is a worthwhile goal.
So why aren't we stopping China, or North Korea, or the Saudis? There's lot of tyranical regimes who torture their own citizens. Quite frankly it's not our job, and sadly in some instances (i.e Saudi Arabia) not in our interest to knock off these regimes. In the end, it's bad policy to follow feel-good diplomacy. The US government has only one job, promote and protect the vital interests of the United States.
The problem with using the "Think of the children!" rationale for the war is that it wasn't the reason put to the American people. If that's what the war was going to be about, then why wasn't that stated? One could have made the case. I trust the American people to make a well considered decision about whether or not to send our young citizens halfway around to the world to maim and kill, and sadly to be maimed and killed, when told the truth. We weren't.
And to think that people portray Kerry, who was awarded a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, a war hero! Damn liberals.
:P
Bush was doing 3am scrambles over the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico to counter unknown inbound threats. And if Kerry was a real warrior with any brains he wouldn't have gotten himself wounded three times.
Is he a troll or just another chicken hawk neocon? Appears to be the later, so I'll play.
Yes, American soldiers are dying in Iraq. So what? That isn't the worst way to go.
If you're such a fan of the war, and think getting you legs blown off by a roadside bomb or getting killed "isn't the worst way to go" why don't you volunteer? You're what 23? 24? You've already have your BS, you could go in as an officer. The military is always looking for bright young men.
Only someone with no family over there would say such an absurd thing. You've never seen war. I don't think you've even talked to, really talked to, someone who has. Go down to the VA hospital. Talk to some Vietnam vet. Talk to some Korean or WWII vet. When they tell you about how their friend bled to death in front of them, say "Hey! That's not such a bad way to go!" Look on the brightside. You'll already be at the hospital when they break your nose.
Vietnam....56,000 dead americans....
Iraq....550 dead americans....
so stop being over dramatic, it hurts your argument.
And Vietnam went on for over 10 years.
No, Iraq isn't Vietnam. It's the West Bank.
The original question was different, originally the question was whether they should be held liable
While not liable in the legal sense is one thing. Even if they were legally liable, the is a very real question about who would be able to bring suit against them, since those being directly affected are not allowed to.
The central thesis of the arguments against the router manufacturers who give material aid to tyrannical regimes are morally liable.
Let's not make any bones about it, China is a tyranical regime. The only real question is whether are they are still (and if so for how much longer) a communist regime or just another run the mill despotic regime.)
If the U.S. government actually punished China or other countries for human rights violations then the story would be different.
You mean like the Cuban embargo?
Coca-Cola should sue the thugs for libel.
I'm not saying that the allegations are true, but I do think it is kind of interesting that they haven't sued.
See my postc id=869 1334
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=101912&
also, companies don't execute people. The question isn't whether or not companies are allowed to provide material support to tyrants, but whether they should, and whether we should patron those companies.
A lot of corporations filter content exactly like China does
I don't remember when the last time I couldn't get read the news, or reach google, or go to a website that read "this sucks".
I know it's bad form to post two replies to the same post, but I feel I need to elaborate.
Cisco and others don't just provide a box. They help set it up and support it. That's part of the deal when you pay millions.
If someone runs me over with their car intentionally then I cannot sue the car manufacturer nor should I be able to.
While you couldn't sue the manufacturer, you could bring a suit against the one who sold the car if the driver said. "I want to buy a car so I can run over that dirty SOB. I'm serious. I want to kill him. Give me the widest thing you've got. I'm going to kill him." Now if the driver simply said "I want a car to take the kids to school.", or whatever, then you couldn't bring a suit. It's the prior knowledge, that causes the problem.
Ultimately blame lays in the most direct path unless their is collusion involved.
Well that's the allegation. That Cisco and the rest are in collusion.
Cisco helps sets up the system to the customers specification, and provides support. That's the difference.
I see your principle, but has browsing the Internet been established as a Human Right?
No, but free expression of politcal dissent is. The train of logic is that if you provide material support knowing that it will be used to arrest political dissidents, then you are an accessory to the tyrants' crimes.
The Department of State (I believe)
It's Commerce.
establishes export controls to police this sort of thing.
The export controls tend to deal more with things that can be used against the country of origin. How the exports are used in the country of destination, I don't think are typically dealt with. When exports are limited because of how they are used in the country of destinations, it tends to be an embargo because of some international crisis of some sort. (Or atleast that's been my observation.)
Quite frankly, most of the time countries don't give a damn about the internal matters of foriegn countries. That's why cheap weapons continue to flow into, and commodities like diamonds flow out of countries with long lasting civil wars. That doesn't make it right though.
If Cisco is not in violation of export controls, are they doing something that society has deemed wrong?
While it's not against the law to say "get the hell out of my way bitch!" when you bump into someone all the street, it's not really something society smiles upon either.
> Blame the router manufacturers.
If I take 4 drums of fuel oil and 2,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate I can plant 100 acres of corn with a tractor or build a car bomb. If I choose the latter it's the fault of the oil and fertilizer companies? I don't think so.
These are disanalogous situations. A more analgous situation would be, you buy the fuel oil an fertilizer, and the feedstore says, "Here's your free bomb making instruction manual. Wait, you're building it wrong. Here, let me show you... See how easy that was? Oh you want it placed under the building across town? Sure, we can deliver it for you. Here you go. Just press that button, and you're all set. Just remember, though, we're not responsible."
The companies are in violation of the U.N. Human Rights Norm for Business (August 2003), which states, "enterprises shall refrain from any activity which supports, solicits, or encourages States or any other entities to abuse human rights. They shall further seek to ensure that the goods and services they provide will not be used to abuse human rights". They know when they sold the router/filter/firewall system whether or not it was going to be used to route intracompany emails or be part of the Great Firewall of China (or whatever country). The technical specs requested by the Ministry of Internal Security tell them that.
While Cicso and the rest may not be actively imprisioning dissidents, they are knowingly enabling the totalitarian regimes to do so. That makes them an accessory to their crimes. Additionally one could make the argument that Cicso and the rest are in conflict with policies of the United States (and no doubt other democratic nations) when they provide goods and services that are actively used to counter the pro-democracy programs the United States (and other democratic nations).
I got it. Only to find out one of my friends was already a member and never told anyone! :P
okay how about me?