Thanks for writing one of the few posts in this thread worth replying to. Seriously, I doubt you can be talking to these guys about Scrabble and they will immediately take a position against the Bush Administration.
"Where the fuck is Osama?!?!"
I think they are still looking for him, its just that the longer it takes the less PR value it has, so they've naturally been quieting down about it.
"I sure hope they don't do anything stupid like torturing Saddam. Should we treat him inhumanely a _LOT_ of people will be severely pissed, a lot of them nuts enough to do insane crap like fly planes into our buildings."
One thing I've noticed is the difference between the news I'm watching on TV and what I read on the internet. Every few moments on ABC they talk about the celebration in Iraq, but clicking links on news.google.com mentions both the celebration in Iraq as well as the anger a lot of Iraqis have over him being captured. However, I don't think this is intentional. The simplest explanation is that the people running the news networks has a prejudice to believe in the unpopularity of Saddam in Iraq. If you are going into Iraq looking for celebrations over Saddam being captured, well, thats exactly what you're going to find. Who knows, maybe these folks celebrating are just drunk folks who always wave red flags around on Sunday afternoons:)
Why not? We need more fonts, better input methods, and ideally, better keyboards. Our 26 letters, and the ten or so other symbols isn't enough anymore--for the internet guru, this restriction should feel restraining. 101-key keyboards? Please. Keyboards with more keys aren't exactly hard to make.
The only real obstacle is getting past the sentiment that English or Latin-based languages are the only important natural languages. The foundation technology for true multi-lingual access is already here.
I don't think there really is much contempt for newbies--they are just much more difficult to deal with. Writing software for yourself is what most people like doing, and its natural for people like yourself to also like the software that fits this criteria. This is how free software started, it is the essence of free software so to speak. So to write software for people who aren't like yourself takes more effort to see the software from another person's perspective, and this does take much of the joy from computer. I mean, who likes writing documentation? Who wants to read long boring mumbo-jumbo by HCI wankers--it's not even a real science! So if your mythical "average user" doesn't have the best possible user experience to begin with, thats not contempt, thats laziness.
The actually interesting articles like this one and the other science/engineering ones get like a dozen comments with most of them by drunk slashdot addicts who post for the sake of posting, while MicroGates-"look, I'm Neo" and fucking software pseudo-politics seems to catch all the interest on this site with two, three, even five hundred comments a piece (not to mention all of the "OMG! I just saw Gates/RIAA/Darth Vades smiling at me in my monitor" fucking panic-attack YRO claptrap). Where did all the geeks go and who let the FoxNews fans in?
First, why is it everyone is so hostile on this site?
"Corporate america isn't based around the concept of "Free Software" it is based around Revenue Generation, using the right tools to get the job done and providing an IT infrastructure support revenue generation, sales force and back-office."
I think you missed the point. The only ones who care about Free Software are us, the geeks and programmers who want to know how the programs we use work. That is our interest. Now, for that to happen, we have to get the rest of the world to cooperate--not because it is in their best interest, but because it is in our best interest. If it happens to be in their best interest, thats fine. But if it isn't, then we'll have to find other ways to compell them to comply.
We're not marketers, not advocates, but tyrants, dictators, higher criminals who know how to work the system. To get what we want.
I have that game and its a lot of fun. The nicest thing about the game, in my opinion, is that the game uses authentic kung fu moves. They actually had the actors of Niobe and Ghost (the main characters in the game) with sensors so they could program in the martial arts moves accurately. Additionally, you can focus to do some nifty Matrix effects like walking along walls and dodging bullets. And the game has the same feel as the movies. In fact, the plot to Enter the Matrix runs parallel to Matrix: Reloaded. If you like the movies, then Enter the Matrix gives more background on the other characters and what happens to them before, during, and after the Matrix Reloaded.
Honestly, I don't know what you are expecting from the game--could it be you are suffering from high expectations?
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You just have to keep in mind that the GNU people have their own goals, which you may or may not agree with, and they are looking at these new licenses from the perspective of their own goals.
Your goals are obviously different from their goals. The practical problems they list are problems in achieving their goals. If you had practical problems achieving your own goals, you would be less likely to use their license and software too.
You have to also remember that the GNU people are not just looking at this license from the perspective of people using APSL software. They are looking at the APSL as a competitor to the GPL. If lots of people begin using the APSL to license their software just as lots of people have already licensed their software under the GPL, you are going to have a lot of software in the free software community that isn't compatible with each other. This will end up dividing the free software community and programmers are going to have to worry even more than they do now about from what software they can borrow code from and put into what programs. And Microsoft and other competitors can say publicly to the press about how distributing Linux distributions may be illegal. It would be like throwing a wrench into open source development.
What you have to understand, which the anti-GNU zealots simply can't, is that for open source software to continue and prosper is in GNU's interest. That is their major goal. All three "practical problems" relate directly to this major goal. They have been with us from the beginning and they have been looking out for us. Its because of them that the mucky and uninteresting problems of licensing has been paid attention to so carefully. They have been the ones enforcing open source licenses behind the scenes (most of them never get to court). When an open source developer has legal problems or questions, they can often turn to the GNU people for help or advice.
Are they zealots? Depends on how compatible your goals are with theirs. So, yeah, maybe a little. But don't forget that in the end they are on our side.
"The ending completely blew chunks, but name a Hollywood blockbuster movie that has had a great ending that you didn't feel completely cheated out of?"
Um, look, having these "foolish backwards" states that still discriminate against black people legally, constitutes "the civil rights movement being less successful."
What you are witnessing is typical mud-slinging. Most sane people try to stay away from these people. You wonder why so many people don't vote? Its because these people scare them away.
BTW, why is this article under "Your Rights Online" anyway?
"My point? Browsers don't matter. Office suites don't matter. OS doesn't matter. What matters is that the user can sit down and do their shit (whatever particular shit that happens to be), and not think about how they do their shit."
You have to first realize why this guy is proposing all this propaganda in the article Browser Wars II: The Saga Continues. He's a *web developer*. He's not asking for Microsoft to go away because they are propietary or evil or anything like that. He has problems with their CSS support. I suspect that if Microsoft corrects their compliance to web standards, he would be happy and IE would be the Good Guy again. Web developers, as I understand them, are ultimately practical folks.
The only reason he cares about users is because they are who pays his bills, in a round about way.
But what about us non-developers? We shouldn't care about users. We, ourselves are users, but no one says that we have to be like other users. We don't care about the popularity contest. We don't care how easy to use the software is for a majority of users since we ourselves are only a minority of users. We care only what works best for us, from our perspective: the only perspective that matters.
For a person like me, with a technological edge and an interest in technology in itself, I may choose to flirt with alternative operating systems, programming languages, browsers---I may create my own technological utopia, if I have the skill.
Slashdot Mirror
that there isn't a moderation option "-1, ideological past point of absurdity."
Thanks for writing one of the few posts in this thread worth replying to. Seriously, I doubt you can be talking to these guys about Scrabble and they will immediately take a position against the Bush Administration.
:)
"Where the fuck is Osama?!?!"
I think they are still looking for him, its just that the longer it takes the less PR value it has, so they've naturally been quieting down about it.
"I sure hope they don't do anything stupid like torturing Saddam. Should we treat him inhumanely a _LOT_ of people will be severely pissed, a lot of them nuts enough to do insane crap like fly planes into our buildings."
One thing I've noticed is the difference between the news I'm watching on TV and what I read on the internet. Every few moments on ABC they talk about the celebration in Iraq, but clicking links on news.google.com mentions both the celebration in Iraq as well as the anger a lot of Iraqis have over him being captured. However, I don't think this is intentional. The simplest explanation is that the people running the news networks has a prejudice to believe in the unpopularity of Saddam in Iraq. If you are going into Iraq looking for celebrations over Saddam being captured, well, thats exactly what you're going to find. Who knows, maybe these folks celebrating are just drunk folks who always wave red flags around on Sunday afternoons
"Slashdot is a fairly sophisticated and educated crowd."
ROTFLMAO
They can't code.
In space, what comes around, goes around.
Why not? We need more fonts, better input methods, and ideally, better keyboards. Our 26 letters, and the ten or so other symbols isn't enough anymore--for the internet guru, this restriction should feel restraining. 101-key keyboards? Please. Keyboards with more keys aren't exactly hard to make.
The only real obstacle is getting past the sentiment that English or Latin-based languages are the only important natural languages. The foundation technology for true multi-lingual access is already here.
I don't think there really is much contempt for newbies--they are just much more difficult to deal with. Writing software for yourself is what most people like doing, and its natural for people like yourself to also like the software that fits this criteria. This is how free software started, it is the essence of free software so to speak. So to write software for people who aren't like yourself takes more effort to see the software from another person's perspective, and this does take much of the joy from computer. I mean, who likes writing documentation? Who wants to read long boring mumbo-jumbo by HCI wankers--it's not even a real science! So if your mythical "average user" doesn't have the best possible user experience to begin with, thats not contempt, thats laziness.
As we all know, if your code is too slow then your compiler isn't smart enough.
The actually interesting articles like this one and the other science/engineering ones get like a dozen comments with most of them by drunk slashdot addicts who post for the sake of posting, while MicroGates-"look, I'm Neo" and fucking software pseudo-politics seems to catch all the interest on this site with two, three, even five hundred comments a piece (not to mention all of the "OMG! I just saw Gates/RIAA/Darth Vades smiling at me in my monitor" fucking panic-attack YRO claptrap). Where did all the geeks go and who let the FoxNews fans in?
Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about, neither do the three or four geeks who voted you up.
The article suggested that we get together and blacklist the spammer sites that show up high on our filters or whitelist good sites.
First, why is it everyone is so hostile on this site?
"Corporate america isn't based around the concept of "Free Software" it is based around Revenue Generation, using the right tools to get the job done and providing an IT infrastructure support revenue generation, sales force and back-office."
I think you missed the point. The only ones who care about Free Software are us, the geeks and programmers who want to know how the programs we use work. That is our interest. Now, for that to happen, we have to get the rest of the world to cooperate--not because it is in their best interest, but because it is in our best interest. If it happens to be in their best interest, thats fine. But if it isn't, then we'll have to find other ways to compell them to comply.
We're not marketers, not advocates, but tyrants, dictators, higher criminals who know how to work the system. To get what we want.
Soon there will be two-handed gestures, underground clubs, and 10% discounts at Best Buy for possessing a member's card.
I have that game and its a lot of fun. The nicest thing about the game, in my opinion, is that the game uses authentic kung fu moves. They actually had the actors of Niobe and Ghost (the main characters in the game) with sensors so they could program in the martial arts moves accurately. Additionally, you can focus to do some nifty Matrix effects like walking along walls and dodging bullets. And the game has the same feel as the movies. In fact, the plot to Enter the Matrix runs parallel to Matrix: Reloaded. If you like the movies, then Enter the Matrix gives more background on the other characters and what happens to them before, during, and after the Matrix Reloaded.
Honestly, I don't know what you are expecting from the game--could it be you are suffering from high expectations?
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If everyone could do it, I wouldn't be doing it.
I hope you guys aren't being serious. In case you are, I was *joking*. Don't be so pathetic.
The licensing of QT sucks ass, and when Microsoft buys Troll Tech, KDE will be stolen from...
Sorry, was having flashbacks
Pardon my ignorance, but WTH is a subsurface vortice and what does that have to do with moving?
I know rusty was trying to cut costs on kuro5hin.org, but this is rediculous.
You just have to keep in mind that the GNU people have their own goals, which you may or may not agree with, and they are looking at these new licenses from the perspective of their own goals.
Your goals are obviously different from their goals. The practical problems they list are problems in achieving their goals. If you had practical problems achieving your own goals, you would be less likely to use their license and software too.
You have to also remember that the GNU people are not just looking at this license from the perspective of people using APSL software. They are looking at the APSL as a competitor to the GPL. If lots of people begin using the APSL to license their software just as lots of people have already licensed their software under the GPL, you are going to have a lot of software in the free software community that isn't compatible with each other. This will end up dividing the free software community and programmers are going to have to worry even more than they do now about from what software they can borrow code from and put into what programs. And Microsoft and other competitors can say publicly to the press about how distributing Linux distributions may be illegal. It would be like throwing a wrench into open source development.
What you have to understand, which the anti-GNU zealots simply can't, is that for open source software to continue and prosper is in GNU's interest. That is their major goal. All three "practical problems" relate directly to this major goal. They have been with us from the beginning and they have been looking out for us. Its because of them that the mucky and uninteresting problems of licensing has been paid attention to so carefully. They have been the ones enforcing open source licenses behind the scenes (most of them never get to court). When an open source developer has legal problems or questions, they can often turn to the GNU people for help or advice.
Are they zealots? Depends on how compatible your goals are with theirs. So, yeah, maybe a little. But don't forget that in the end they are on our side.
"The ending completely blew chunks, but name a Hollywood blockbuster movie that has had a great ending that you didn't feel completely cheated out of?"
The Matrix, Star Trek 2 & 6
Um, look, having these "foolish backwards" states that still discriminate against black people legally, constitutes "the civil rights movement being less successful."
What are you smoking?
What you are witnessing is typical mud-slinging. Most sane people try to stay away from these people. You wonder why so many people don't vote? Its because these people scare them away.
BTW, why is this article under "Your Rights Online" anyway?
"My point? Browsers don't matter. Office suites don't matter. OS doesn't matter. What matters is that the user can sit down and do their shit (whatever particular shit that happens to be), and not think about how they do their shit."
You have to first realize why this guy is proposing all this propaganda in the article Browser Wars II: The Saga Continues. He's a *web developer*. He's not asking for Microsoft to go away because they are propietary or evil or anything like that. He has problems with their CSS support. I suspect that if Microsoft corrects their compliance to web standards, he would be happy and IE would be the Good Guy again. Web developers, as I understand them, are ultimately practical folks.
The only reason he cares about users is because they are who pays his bills, in a round about way.
But what about us non-developers? We shouldn't care about users. We, ourselves are users, but no one says that we have to be like other users. We don't care about the popularity contest. We don't care how easy to use the software is for a majority of users since we ourselves are only a minority of users. We care only what works best for us, from our perspective: the only perspective that matters.
For a person like me, with a technological edge and an interest in technology in itself, I may choose to flirt with alternative operating systems, programming languages, browsers---I may create my own technological utopia, if I have the skill.
You forget that even pragmatism is an ideology.
And the term "open source" became used also for ideological reasons.
Really...this is a non-argument. You're just trolling, or grinding an axe against the FSF or something.