But the Linux/Open Source community needs someone like ESR to deal with folks like myself -- the mainstream press. The community needs people to take all of these wonderful ideas, translate them into English, and communicate them in such a way as to get everyday, mom-and-pop people excited about them
You're probably right with that but the problem is that it's pretty hard to 'translate all those wonderful ideas into English' with that amount of wonderful ideas. There's no way to avoid getting criticized when doing that. (And there's no way to avoid flames if you are in that spotlight position anyway.)
I wouldnt want to get the heat he gets but I definatly cant understand why this surprises him - especially if he is the opinionated person he appears to be. Those things happen. And in the case of constructive criticsm it's vital for the OSS movement.
Pointless flames happen. We all know that. ESR should know it all too well. Noone likes getting flamed (well ok, maybe some do... but generally I think most of us get along pretty fine without being insulted on a regular basis).
So I'm really with him on complaining about it. But cooking up a topic that wont change anyway isnt useful for whatever case he's on either.
The sad thing is, yes, it is part of the culture. Actually it's part of the whole internet culture. Just because we all know that it sucks wont make it go away. We gotta learn to live with it just like we learned to live with all the other ignorant idiots on this planet. (Heck, actually I haven't even found a proof way to do that.)
Let's just concentrate on the work we obviously have to do and try to be able to filter the constructive critiscism from the flames.
Given that some mountain in NY isnt the primary goal of a nuclear strike this could actually work out.
Just think of the perverted thoughts behind nuclear bombs. Kill the people but dont wreck the hardware.
Seems to be theres plenty of sick people out there, huh?
Funny: try searching for "Java" ...
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This is really funny. I searched for "Java" and checked that little visa box and as a result I get some 22 job offerings (of only 24 at all) in Redmond.
Isnt speaking Java in that area seen as a criminal offence?
It's a mad world...;)
I still prefer the other way...
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Somehow I liked the runtime error more than the message "No matches found".;)
It's kinda funny to see the letters AOL on anything that has to do with remotely stupid things.
Though I'm still not sure what frightens me the most; "Virus" coders who leave the door open for prosecutors, M$ software that enables people to track down the author of some word document or thousand of alt.sex regulars who open a.doc file wich they found on usenet and dont disable macros.
Considering that South Park will start here in about half a year I dont wanna know how long I'd have to wait for that one then (I've given up on Dilbert anyway).
>Set a bios password, and someone will just use one of the many known BIOS backdoor passwords...
Or, for that matter, short-circuit the mainboard battery. At least that had helped me in my early days when I set (and forgot) a BIOS pw, set the boot procedure to C-A and then wrecked the HD.
The support guy I called needed quite a while to stop laughing.:)
I'm really not sure of what to think about this. RMS seems a bit strange, but on the other hand, most tech people appear strange to at least some others. And I still prefer a bunch of weird people working on something rather then having a group of think-alikes.
Now for that guy in Talkback. I dont think/. should worry about people like him. So he got flamed. So he had a security issue that, judging from a short glare at it, wasnt that interesting. So he didnt get to plug that story on/. (well, apparently he got to, now).
What I think is that although I'm not a fan of the whole flamebaiting here,/. shouldnt care about people who apparently dont understand how (internet) communication works. With all that could be said against Katz - he definately understood that.
Now if the/. or even OSS community gets labeled 'arrogant', why bother. If that's bad for marketing decisions I just wonder how Billy G. and Larry Ellison (and Jobs and blarh blarh... you name them) make their living. After all, this is 'news for nerds' and people with a real issue will get to discuss it seriously if they just ignore the flames.
Besides, he's a lawyer and (ab)uses Frames, why do I even care;)
And why should exposure be a better motivation that money to somebody that doesn't need an ego boost?
What else would I need money for then to boost my ego? I mean, we're not talking about making a living here. If you're a good programmer you will be able to make a living in the next couple of years without much problems.
To be happy with what you do you need someone who tells you that it's good. And you will get the most honest responses if people can see what you've written.
I remember being somewhat addicted back in the time where my primary use of the net wasnt for work.
The one thing that is addicting is the fact that in this oh-so-cold world its far easier to have virtual relationships then real ones. As soon as you realise that you'd prefer some real affection instead of a smiley (or emoticons if you prefer that stupid term) the whole addiction thing will become unimportant anyway.
The other interesting thing about the column was that it seemed to me he just wanted to tell everyone how cool he is in setting up his e-mail client.:)
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But the Linux/Open Source community needs someone like ESR to deal with folks like myself -- the mainstream press. The community needs people to take all of these wonderful ideas, translate them into English, and communicate them in such a way as to get everyday, mom-and-pop people excited about them
You're probably right with that but the problem is that it's pretty hard to 'translate all those wonderful ideas into English' with that amount of wonderful ideas. There's no way to avoid getting criticized when doing that. (And there's no way to avoid flames if you are in that spotlight position anyway.)
I wouldnt want to get the heat he gets but I definatly cant understand why this surprises him - especially if he is the opinionated person he appears to be. Those things happen. And in the case of constructive criticsm it's vital for the OSS movement.
Pointless flames happen. We all know that. ESR should know it all too well. Noone likes getting flamed (well ok, maybe some do... but generally I think most of us get along pretty fine without being insulted on a regular basis).
:))
So I'm really with him on complaining about it. But cooking up a topic that wont change anyway isnt useful for whatever case he's on either.
The sad thing is, yes, it is part of the culture. Actually it's part of the whole internet culture. Just because we all know that it sucks wont make it go away. We gotta learn to live with it just like we learned to live with all the other ignorant idiots on this planet. (Heck, actually I haven't even found a proof way to do that.)
Let's just concentrate on the work we obviously have to do and try to be able to filter the constructive critiscism from the flames.
(Wish I had a comment filter in RL
Strong success on the client, however, requires more than a Windows-like user interface
I really liked that quote. Does that count as a reason to put up another GUI vs. CLI fight? :)
"How'd ya want it, burnt to a crisp, or bloody as hell?
;)
- Bloody as hell. And to drink, a vanilla coke."
Man, this thread got distasteful... yuk... (though even scarier is that I couldnt help but smile anyway)
Given that some mountain in NY isnt the primary goal of a nuclear strike this could actually work out.
Just think of the perverted thoughts behind nuclear bombs. Kill the people but dont wreck the hardware.
Seems to be theres plenty of sick people out there, huh?
This is really funny. I searched for "Java" and checked that little visa box and as a result I get some 22 job offerings (of only 24 at all) in Redmond.
;)
Isnt speaking Java in that area seen as a criminal offence?
It's a mad world...
Somehow I liked the runtime error more than the message "No matches found". ;)
As far as I know thats what it does automaticly...
Though I would actually prefer it the way you described it.
It's kinda funny to see the letters AOL on anything that has to do with remotely stupid things.
.doc file wich they found on usenet and dont disable macros.
Though I'm still not sure what frightens me the most; "Virus" coders who leave the door open for prosecutors, M$ software that enables people to track down the author of some word document or thousand of alt.sex regulars who open a
Strange Times... the future sure should get funny
Just read SegFault. It was all done by Rob. He took down the servers. ;)
Considering that South Park will start here in about half a year I dont wanna know how long I'd have to wait for that one then (I've given up on Dilbert anyway).
I was kinda disappointed on the low detail of that story.
;)
The topic of P3P alone should be enough to start whole flamebaits on privacy issues.
Then again the ICe seems more like a Pointy-Haired Expo anyway.
"We mean eBusiness" - why does that remind me of Dilbert?
>Set a bios password, and someone will just use one of the many known BIOS backdoor passwords...
:)
Or, for that matter, short-circuit the mainboard battery. At least that had helped me in my early days when I set (and forgot) a BIOS pw, set the boot procedure to C-A and then wrecked the HD.
The support guy I called needed quite a while to stop laughing.
I'm really not sure of what to think about this. RMS seems a bit strange, but on the other hand, most tech people appear strange to at least some others. And I still prefer a bunch of weird people working on something rather then having a group of think-alikes.
/. should worry about people like him. So he got flamed. So he had a security issue that, judging from a short glare at it, wasnt that interesting. So he didnt get to plug that story on /. (well, apparently he got to, now).
/. shouldnt care about people who apparently dont understand how (internet) communication works. With all that could be said against Katz - he definately understood that.
/. or even OSS community gets labeled 'arrogant', why bother. If that's bad for marketing decisions I just wonder how Billy G. and Larry Ellison (and Jobs and blarh blarh... you name them) make their living. After all, this is 'news for nerds' and people with a real issue will get to discuss it seriously if they just ignore the flames.
;)
Now for that guy in Talkback. I dont think
What I think is that although I'm not a fan of the whole flamebaiting here,
Now if the
Besides, he's a lawyer and (ab)uses Frames, why do I even care
... he will probably generate some entertaining flame wars.
Apart from that he seems to be ok. So keep him.
about a dozen connects per min.
/. ;)
Maybe I should get a provider thats less then 25 hops away from
And why should exposure be a better motivation that money to somebody that doesn't need an ego boost?
What else would I need money for then to boost my ego?
I mean, we're not talking about making a living here. If you're a good programmer you will be able to make a living in the next couple of years without much problems.
To be happy with what you do you need someone who tells you that it's good. And you will get the most honest responses if people can see what you've written.
I remember being somewhat addicted back in the time where my primary use of the net wasnt for work.
:)
The one thing that is addicting is the fact that in this oh-so-cold world its far easier to have virtual relationships then real ones. As soon as you realise that you'd prefer some real affection instead of a smiley (or emoticons if you prefer that stupid term) the whole addiction thing will become unimportant anyway.
The other interesting thing about the column was that it seemed to me he just wanted to tell everyone how cool he is in setting up his e-mail client.
Wow. Finally an article where Katz managed not to use the word "geek". There is hope! :)