I have a DNS-323 and can attest that while it has a Gigabit ethernet card - the network speeds max out at about ~18-19MB/s read speed. This is when using two individual drives and no RAID. Accessing both drives at once causes the speeds to balance out at ~10MB/s on each drive.
I've heard the Netgear ReadyNAS 2 drive one performs better - read a report from one guy on the OCAU forums recently that said he managed to get 39MB/s read and about 24MB/s write speed.
I'm surprised something like this made front page/. news. But then again it IS microsoft.. so hey.. jump on the bandwagon.
Microsoft clearly made their intentions to develop Microsoft branded Antivirus software last year when they bought GeCAD Software - the makers of RAV Antivirus.
"at the time of the purchase, the company said it would put GeCAD's engineers to work integrating antivirus products with future versions of Windows, including next-generation platforms such as Longhorn." - 18 July, 2003
Of course it's a kludge! But then a lot of the great things out there started as kludges like this:)
Adhoc links are all well and good - but you try linking a large number of users via adhoc links and you'll run into a number of problems:
Firstly, cost - that's a lot of dishes, cable and wireless cards you're talking about! We're hobbyists - not a commercial entity.
Secondly, Line of Sight (LOS) - not everyone has LOS to everyone else. And not everyone likes putting up massive masts just so they can. But it is possible to find sweet locations (like HillsHub for us) that have superior elevation and view. That's where an AP and frottle comes into its own - it allows us to leverage that great LOS and for a great number of users to use it and benefit. We didn't have to turn away potential users from using it because of QoS concerns - frottle solves that problem.
Thirdly, interference. You only get about 4 effective channels with the 2.4GHz spectrum, before you start getting overlap and have to start flipping the polarity to squeeze a bit more out of it. So that limits the number of adhoc links you can have at any one location significantly.
With our solution we're using ONE channel, we're all able to connect using minimal hardware (just a cheap Wireless AP and a homemade waveguide), we don't need expensive software - it's all free under the GPL.
We do use adhoc links between AP's to help provide a better backbone - and we've been experimenting with dynamic routing to help use redundant links more effectively.
Of course. Wireless access points generally aren't geared for large number of users OUTDOORS. The difference is that when you've got users 10-20km away collisions have a lot more effect. Individual clients don't see the traffic of other users, so it's very easy to cause collisions (this is the Hidden Node effect) - there is commercial software to solve this problem (ie. Karlnet), but the large expense and lack of Linux support (ie. use 2.4.2 kernel, Redhat 7.1 and their binary driver or else) put us off majorly.
It really does make a huge difference too. With 15 odd users on an AP we had a nightmare.. someone would start transferring a file and people would drop out, packetloss, etc. The strongest SNR would always dominate, uploads were nigh on impossible (when ANY download was occurring) and the network had no QoS at all. Thanks to the great work of Frottle, we're now cruising along - we all get a fair go, we have QoS, and bandwidth is shared equally and we're all pretty damn pleased with it.
Well I quite like the show myself - one of the few new shows out there that has caught my attention. I like the humour, I like the characters, and it'd be a real shame to see another sci fi like this die.
I think with any show like this it takes time to build up a following. Buffy didn't really get going until the second season - and this isn't even being given a first season fully.
C'mon Fox.. give em a break! It's not as if Joss Whedon's track record has let you down in the past - Buffy and Angel are both very popular!
"NECG senior analyst Iain Little, who conducted the research, said 70 per cent of Telstra's broadband customers did not reach their download limits."
Gee.. lovely bit of reasoning there - All the other cable companies going hey.. Telstra did a bit of research and they reckon 70% of people didn't hit their download limits. There's several reasons for this:
a) Anyone who wanted choice changed to another DSL provider when Telstra started imposing and enforcing their '3 Gig cap'. b) Anyone who IS still stuck with Telstra doesn't want to go over the limit and incur the massive fees they charge per MB over that 3GB limit. c) There are plenty of other providers out there offering MUCH better deals on DSL in Australia, including ISP's that offer free traffic off peak, free WAIX (local traffic), and shaped traffic (Down to 72KB/s speeds) after hitting that cap.
But of course to know any of that you have to really be in Australia - and Telstra certainly aren't going to tell anyone their data analysis is flawed!
It's clear that Perth is really making great progress in the wireless community - we're ahead of the rest of Australia in terms of size of the network and interest per capita and we're really starting to link the state up.
While the wireless communities in other states are arguing over how they're going to incorporate or how they're going to manipulate everyone politically - here in WA we're focusing on actually making it work with no one person running the show. Decisions are made by the consensus, not an individual voted in to speak on our behalf. People contribute because they're interested and keen to help out.
It's seeing initiatives like this warflying expedition which really makes me glad to be a part of the Perth wireless community!
I'm actually trying to turn a Boundless Technologies Viewpoint TC 200 (Thin Windows Network Client) into a dialup/router/gateway machine at the moment. It's 12" x 12.5" x 2.5" also!
I picked it up for A$5 at a garage sale and it seems perfect for this purpose - no fan, standard IDE header inside for hard drive, standard floppy header (though I can't get that to work), built in ethernet, and 2 com ports and a parallel port.
There's even a PCI and ISA slot inside, though you'd need a riser card to get it to work.
It's a 133 AMD 5x86 chip, and is designed to run Windows using the ICA protocol. Only problem so far has been that it only has 4mb EDO ram, and Linux doesn't run on this little ram anymore. I'm currently trying to get more ram for it at the moment.
If anyone else has played with one of these machines - do they have any kind of schematics or info about the motherboard and pins that could help. I've asked Boundless Technologies directly, but even though it's discontinued, they refuse to give me any info (but offered me support! for a fee of course! bleh)
And boy what a DVD it is too! I hope this encourages other companies to produce such feature packed DVD's in future - I mean.. three soundtracks, a 30 minute making of video, special 'follow the white rabbit' scenes (whoever thought of that is a genius) where you can jump from the movie into a special bit about how they made that section of the movie, and then once it's finished then jump back to the movie where you left off. Plus you've got heaps of multimedia extras - web links, interactive games, and heaps of stuff. I definitely consider it the best DVD I've ever seen - and Warner should be proud of it. From what I've heard it's already outsold Titanic and every other DVD out there and it's only been out for just over a week!
I hated high-school - I used to read fantasy/sci fi books, play any role playing game I could get my hands on, and play computer games til I could barely walk just to get away from it all. I am a nerd, a geek, whatever the term - different from the norm. I was teased, beat up, jeered at, harassed, picked on - I never enjoyed any of the subjects or the teachers - save one - Computing. Heck.. I barely scraped through High-School! And only JUST managed to get into University afterwards (I actually missed the first two rounds of offers and only got offered a place at the last minute - one day before lectures started!) At uni though, I was finally learning about stuff I enjoyed - Computers!!! Once in my element, surrounded by people more of my kind I did incredibly well. I graduated with honours and immediately found a highly paid job developing software. I have a house, a car, and a wonderful family - in short - I am definitely not the outcast I was ten years ago. Why the sudden change? Environment - pure and simple. People are affected so much by the people and things around them. Have you ever noticed that if you hang around someone for too long then you start to adopt their mannerisms, speech, and expressions? We absorb so much from around us that it's inevitable. High school, for me was an incredibly negative environment - I felt so oppressed by it that I wanted to escape - books, games and computers were my forms of escapism. Without them I might have done something crazy.. who knows. Once outside that environment though, I was free to express myself how I wanted - free to learn without social infringement - surrounded by peers who had similar ideas and were more like me.
When I look back on it all now I can't help but laugh at it all. The high-school, all the teachers - they had no clue as to my potential back then.. they couldn't understand me.
But now I can look on their silly little teaching lives, earning pathetic wages, and laugh - because I know they don't have a clue.
"Life on the edge is perilous - but the view more than compensates" - I've always been on the edge in that sense - on the fringe of social society, and though it's hard to start with (a bit like a wizard in most role playing games) - the power later on more than compensates.:)
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I have a DNS-323 and can attest that while it has a Gigabit ethernet card - the network speeds max out at about ~18-19MB/s read speed. This is when using two individual drives and no RAID.
Accessing both drives at once causes the speeds to balance out at ~10MB/s on each drive.
I've heard the Netgear ReadyNAS 2 drive one performs better - read a report from one guy on the OCAU forums recently that said he managed to get 39MB/s read and about 24MB/s write speed.
I'm surprised something like this made front page /. news. But then again it IS microsoft.. so hey.. jump on the bandwagon.
Microsoft clearly made their intentions to develop Microsoft branded Antivirus software last year when they bought GeCAD Software - the makers of RAV Antivirus.
Quick google search revealed one of the news stories about that event - http://www.technewsworld.com/story/31139.html
"at the time of the purchase, the company said it would put GeCAD's engineers to work integrating antivirus products with future versions of Windows, including next-generation platforms such as Longhorn." - 18 July, 2003
Of course it's a kludge! But then a lot of the great things out there started as kludges like this :)
Adhoc links are all well and good - but you try linking a large number of users via adhoc links and you'll run into a number of problems:
Firstly, cost - that's a lot of dishes, cable and wireless cards you're talking about! We're hobbyists - not a commercial entity.
Secondly, Line of Sight (LOS) - not everyone has LOS to everyone else. And not everyone likes putting up massive masts just so they can. But it is possible to find sweet locations (like HillsHub for us) that have superior elevation and view. That's where an AP and frottle comes into its own - it allows us to leverage that great LOS and for a great number of users to use it and benefit. We didn't have to turn away potential users from using it because of QoS concerns - frottle solves that problem.
Thirdly, interference. You only get about 4 effective channels with the 2.4GHz spectrum, before you start getting overlap and have to start flipping the polarity to squeeze a bit more out of it. So that limits the number of adhoc links you can have at any one location significantly.
With our solution we're using ONE channel, we're all able to connect using minimal hardware (just a cheap Wireless AP and a homemade waveguide), we don't need expensive software - it's all free under the GPL.
We do use adhoc links between AP's to help provide a better backbone - and we've been experimenting with dynamic routing to help use redundant links more effectively.
Of course. Wireless access points generally aren't geared for large number of users OUTDOORS. The difference is that when you've got users 10-20km away collisions have a lot more effect. Individual clients don't see the traffic of other users, so it's very easy to cause collisions (this is the Hidden Node effect) - there is commercial software to solve this problem (ie. Karlnet), but the large expense and lack of Linux support (ie. use 2.4.2 kernel, Redhat 7.1 and their binary driver or else) put us off majorly.
So we rolled our own. Frottle is the result.
It really does make a huge difference too. With 15 odd users on an AP we had a nightmare.. someone would start transferring a file and people would drop out, packetloss, etc. The strongest SNR would always dominate, uploads were nigh on impossible (when ANY download was occurring) and the network had no QoS at all.
:)
Thanks to the great work of Frottle, we're now cruising along - we all get a fair go, we have QoS, and bandwidth is shared equally and we're all pretty damn pleased with it.
Is Frottle.. is good
Doh.. and Buffy is retired now too!
Looks neat :)
There's a plugin for Winamp 3 that loads all of the older Winamp 2 plugin's if you're really that worried and want to stick with Winamp 3.
m ponentId=118230
url: http://www.winamp.com/components3/detail.jhtml?co
Doesn't work with everything - but might work for this.
Well I quite like the show myself - one of the few new shows out there that has caught my attention. I like the humour, I like the characters, and it'd be a real shame to see another sci fi like this die.
I think with any show like this it takes time to build up a following. Buffy didn't really get going until the second season - and this isn't even being given a first season fully.
C'mon Fox.. give em a break! It's not as if Joss Whedon's track record has let you down in the past - Buffy and Angel are both very popular!
"NECG senior analyst Iain Little, who conducted the research, said 70 per cent of Telstra's broadband customers did not reach their download limits."
Gee.. lovely bit of reasoning there - All the other cable companies going hey.. Telstra did a bit of research and they reckon 70% of people didn't hit their download limits.
There's several reasons for this:
a) Anyone who wanted choice changed to another DSL provider when Telstra started imposing and enforcing their '3 Gig cap'.
b) Anyone who IS still stuck with Telstra doesn't want to go over the limit and incur the massive fees they charge per MB over that 3GB limit.
c) There are plenty of other providers out there offering MUCH better deals on DSL in Australia, including ISP's that offer free traffic off peak, free WAIX (local traffic), and shaped traffic (Down to 72KB/s speeds) after hitting that cap.
But of course to know any of that you have to really be in Australia - and Telstra certainly aren't going to tell anyone their data analysis is flawed!
Go Perth!
It's clear that Perth is really making great progress in the wireless community - we're ahead of the rest of Australia in terms of size of the network and interest per capita and we're really starting to link the state up.
While the wireless communities in other states are arguing over how they're going to incorporate or how they're going to manipulate everyone politically - here in WA we're focusing on actually making it work with no one person running the show. Decisions are made by the consensus, not an individual voted in to speak on our behalf. People contribute because they're interested and keen to help out.
It's seeing initiatives like this warflying expedition which really makes me glad to be a part of the Perth wireless community!
Go Perth!
I'm actually trying to turn a Boundless Technologies Viewpoint TC 200 (Thin Windows Network Client) into a dialup/router/gateway machine at the moment. It's 12" x 12.5" x 2.5" also!
I picked it up for A$5 at a garage sale and it seems perfect for this purpose - no fan, standard IDE header inside for hard drive, standard floppy header (though I can't get that to work), built in ethernet, and 2 com ports and a parallel port. There's even a PCI and ISA slot inside, though you'd need a riser card to get it to work.
It's a 133 AMD 5x86 chip, and is designed to run Windows using the ICA protocol. Only problem so far has been that it only has 4mb EDO ram, and Linux doesn't run on this little ram anymore. I'm currently trying to get more ram for it at the moment.
If anyone else has played with one of these machines - do they have any kind of schematics or info about the motherboard and pins that could help. I've asked Boundless Technologies directly, but even though it's discontinued, they refuse to give me any info (but offered me support! for a fee of course! bleh)
Pictures are available.
Email me at Radix@juga.org if you have any ideas!
And boy what a DVD it is too! I hope this encourages other companies to produce such feature packed DVD's in future - I mean.. three soundtracks, a 30 minute making of video, special 'follow the white rabbit' scenes (whoever thought of that is a genius) where you can jump from the movie into a special bit about how they made that section of the movie, and then once it's finished then jump back to the movie where you left off. Plus you've got heaps of multimedia extras - web links, interactive games, and heaps of stuff. I definitely consider it the best DVD I've ever seen - and Warner should be proud of it. From what I've heard it's already outsold Titanic and every other DVD out there and it's only been out for just over a week!
I hated high-school - I used to read fantasy/sci fi books, play any role playing game I could get my hands on, and play computer games til I could barely walk just to get away from it all.
:)
I am a nerd, a geek, whatever the term - different from the norm. I was teased, beat up, jeered at, harassed, picked on - I never enjoyed any of the subjects or the teachers - save one - Computing.
Heck.. I barely scraped through High-School! And only JUST managed to get into University afterwards (I actually missed the first two rounds of offers and only got offered a place at the last minute - one day before lectures started!)
At uni though, I was finally learning about stuff I enjoyed - Computers!!!
Once in my element, surrounded by people more of my kind I did incredibly well. I graduated with honours and immediately found a highly paid job developing software. I have a house, a car, and a wonderful family - in short - I am definitely not the outcast I was ten years ago.
Why the sudden change? Environment - pure and simple. People are affected so much by the people and things around them. Have you ever noticed that if you hang around someone for too long then you start to adopt their mannerisms, speech, and expressions? We absorb so much from around us that it's inevitable. High school, for me was an incredibly negative environment - I felt so oppressed by it that I wanted to escape - books, games and computers were my forms of escapism.
Without them I might have done something crazy.. who knows. Once outside that environment though, I was free to express myself how I wanted - free to learn without social infringement - surrounded by peers who had similar ideas and were more like me.
When I look back on it all now I can't help but laugh at it all. The high-school, all the teachers - they had no clue as to my potential back then.. they couldn't understand me.
But now I can look on their silly little teaching lives, earning pathetic wages, and laugh - because I know they don't have a clue.
"Life on the edge is perilous - but the view more than compensates" - I've always been on the edge in that sense - on the fringe of social society, and though it's hard to start with (a bit like a
wizard in most role playing games) - the power later on more than compensates.
- Radix