MacOS is not natively thread-aware, but Thread Manager was an attempt to create such processes. I really don't remember much about it - was a big thing back around 7.1 or so. This link seems to have documentation for dealing with it in 8 and 9.
Hrmm...my browser seems to be caching a lot today:-(.
What turned the alarm lights for me where the four colored buttons on each window. One red, one yellow, one green and one grey. My guess is that one opens the system menu, one minimizes, onr maximizes, and one closes the application.
But which is which? You have no way to know except by experimenting; and you have to remember. Knowledge has to reside in the head. Bad.
Actually, the buttons overlay images when you mouseover them. Still not the best, but when you go over a button, it looks like the close button, etc.
Just my.02 - I'd still prefer the images there all the time.
Sure, it's all fine and dandy. We're mostly programmers here.
But someone, please, tell me the easiest way to type ü (u-umulat) in Windows? One of the things that I do on my Mac that shocks people is just type with the flow foreign characters (opt-u, u is u-umulat, opt-u, e is e-umulat, etc). I think one of the reasons no one wants to move from ASCII to anything else is because it's rather hard to type in anything else.
Normally wouldn't be one to post such a comment as this one, but...
AMEN, brother.
I run Linux 24/7 at home, and am actively trying to convert our business to it. But when my box at home reboots into MacOS to play a quick game of Q3A, it's amazing how much (if not prettier) _cleaner_ the MacOS is than anything I use at work or at home.
Perhaps that's my fault of customization on the Linux side, though:P
My '79 Lincoln (4661 lbs dry) would tear apart a Navigator if we were to hit head-on at identical speeds.
A lot more goes into an impact than the weight and speed of the vehicle. Cross-structure braces, etc. My car would be less damaged than said Navigator, but I'd most likely be killed - the car is only 4-some feet tall, and the Navigator would most likely use most of its bulk to crash over it.
The location of the bumpers on an SUV and braces are significantly higher than in a car for the purposes of ground clearance. If their bumper hits my Dodge Dart in the window, for instance, it's not going to help much, even at the 5-mph rating of them.
KE is only half of the equation:)
Despite all this, however, I am not against SUV's in the marketplace. I think they have a very strong purpose and myself sometimes considering buying them. What scares me is all the soccer mom's driving them that don't belong behind the wheel. Things like the Expedition, Suburban, and Excursion should require CDL's.
I'm sorry, I wrote the comment at work. In fact, I think this is the first time I'm posting to/. and not at work. Believe me, posting while working is not the best thing - my job frustrates me considerably.
I'll be more precise, although I doubt you'll respond to it since as an AC it's harder to find your comment amidst the myriad of others:)
You're right. I didn't intend to insult VB, nor DLL's in general, nor any of another million things.
I'm a rather skilled VB programmer (or at least, like to think so). I like the language, and the RAD features. What my comment intended to ennunciate is that my job has been fucked over by those who came before me, who didn't have the skills but were able to present themselves as skilled.
Thus we have about 40 different DLL's to do things in the most complicated when a straight path would do better that crash constantly, but we don't have time or resources to fix them since we're constantly running prod support in addition to development. It's as much a management problem as a coding problem.
I have to say for a project that requires or would be suited to RAD, VB is quite decent. But, if you are skilled at VB as you say, I doubt highly your saying the language is decent.
It's currently at version 6, and about to hop to 7. The IDE is buggy as hell (ever missed a reference in the project file? sit around for about ten minutes for it to open so you can fix it). Optional arguments can't be user-defined types. There's no hierarchical class structure. Forms can't have user-defined properties. Etc, etc, etc. I don't mean to be bashing VB - it has it's place and uses.
We run an embedded system for computer-based testing.
I would be greatly interested in any reason you had that would explain why we should be running said system in Windows, using VB, with an Access backend. I can't personally think of any. And that's not a flame.
*sigh* I'd much rather go for C/C++ with a linux server, have the testing stations on X servers and link off the main server - no more DLL problems on each machine, etc, etc, etc. We have a sick amount of DLL's, and every time we change one thing we have to recompile 90% of them, or else we get the wonderful old "ActiveX Component can't create object". Helpful error, that.
So I guess this rant is both that VB allows people without skills to more easily foist themselves upon unknowing suits, and that VB is, while a decent RAD language, not suited to the markets the M$ targets it to (mission critical applications and doing "hey, we've integrated VB with IIS! run everything in VB").
Anyway.
That's enough from here:) ls:.sig: File not found.
Here in the Philadelphia area there is anything but a shortage of IT professionals.
I use the term professionals very strictly. At my current company we have a strong proliferation of IT wannabes. Horrible, horrible people. And we do multi-million dollar contracts with high-profile clientele which we frankly don't deserve.
I wouldn't release our product if I had say, but being 19 and definitely the junior in the department, I don't.
It took me 24 hours to be offered this job. It took me 5 days to get 12 different offers. The market here is very hot for someone with skills, even if they don't have that little degree slip of paper or, heaven forbid, and MCSE or similar.
The problem with the current employment situation isn't really a lack of good developers or an overabundance of horrible ones, but rather no good way to certify people so non-IT types can verify who they're hiring.
MCSE as mentioned recently doesn't do the job. No certification does. Programming is as much an art as anything else which, imho, is being hacked away at by things like VB and components people just download of the 'net and hack together to get to work.
Why write my own work when I can stand on the shoulders of others to create my piss poor crap?
Whatever, maybe I'm a little sick of working here. I'm looking for a new job, as is everyone else. It's horrible.
But, with today's market (yes, I've kind of gone tangential) it should be easy to do that.:)
The Matrix explained it as "the body cannot live without the mind" as I recall
Actually, this was one of the beautiful parts of the Matrix. Morpheus stated "the body cannot live without the mind" which, is, in essence true - it's not a depiction of VR killing you, it's saying if you kill your mind, you kill yourself.
Neo found out slightly differently. I still don't think Neo was "the chosen one" per say, but the first to realize that yes, the body can't live without the mind, but that doesn't mean the Matrix can kill the mind.
Neo was shot, he was killed, he flatlined. But he lived. That's the mind triumphing over VR.
So I think it's inaccurate to quote the Matrix as a similar source. It actually moved beyond that.
Much nicer command then what I was using, thanks, I will use it in the future - however, my point still stands that it's arcane to use. You shouldn't have to put thus and such into it to get information out like that - there is nothing as structured as APT that I know of, I was using that to find where a certain library file was located that was required by another RPM.
In addition, yes, I'm doing an end run around RPM and yes, it's the wrong thing to do. By stating that I was merely pointing out (without saying it, as I'm prone so often to do) that in order for rpm to be more universally accepted it has to be more supported by the distros. LinuxPPC Dev Release 1.1 came out...last week I think, and it's binutils is at 19, vs. the 27 I last checked for.
That's all I'm really saying. ls:.sig: File not found.
I use RPM on a linuxppc system. The majority of my problems come when there a ppc rpm for the most recent version of, for instance, binutils. I'll do a make and make install and *boom* suddenly it overwrites the rpm's files. Oh, but wait, some are in/usr/local/bin, some are in/usr/bin. Oh, and the rpm still thinks it's installed. Oh, and how do I now upgrade the rpm, or remove it without deleting the new binutils?
Just a few comments (also, rpm -qpl should put a header, so I can do rpm -qpl * instead of for x in *.rpm; "rpm -qpl" "$x" > "$x.lst"; done)
DLL? do you mean shared object. This isn't a Windows machine.
Syntax is irrelevant. Hacker/Cracker, DLL/.so, they're all just names:P But yes, of course, I mean.so. I typed the comment at work. I'm a VB programmer during the day, and yes, I hate every minute of it.
Personally, I'd much prefer an ".so". That way one can make their own application. Applications can have preference boxes based on the linked object. Everything would be standard.
There's no way, imho, that a "universal" control panel would ever work. Apple originally had that pre-System 7. Sort of. And it sucked, lemme tell you. Linuxconf, e-conf, gnome-conf (or whatever that's called) all have similar problems. How do you deal with different sized windows, etc?
Hmm. Very strong point, but I don't quite agree with it.
My main gripe is with the implementation idea. You're defining an entirely new language! Why not just stick with HTML?
Although, as one who is migrating reporting from Access to HTML with a self-maintained Web displayer (doesn't handle any network stuff, but displays HTML properly (tables and all that fun stuff)) I'd say screw it all and just go with a common DLL that you can link.
As poster of the original question, I'll let you know that my name goes in the AUTHORS file (if in the ChangeLog, it gets there very frequently - more frequently than every file). My full name goes in the source to give credit where due, not to promote myself. However, it appears I was picked because of the SourceForge beta testers, of which I was one.
Actually, you raise an interesting query with no appropriate answer. The Apple-Tab in 8.5 and above (I'm running 9.0, so it's the same here) switches Applications because that's the _only_ thing the MacOS has rights over. It's like the MDI (Multiple Document Interface) in Windows - for example, try Microsoft Word, or Visual Basic, or anything like that. Alt-Tab and you pop out of Microsoft Word, which is why I often open many Words and quickly run out of memory.
Windows also allows the option of an SDI interface, a Single Document Interface. This seems to have become the de facto standard, but imho, it's far more complicated and becomes nastily disorganized very quickly. There is no homougeny between programs, etc. It becomes a smorgasbord (sp).
So, imho, I'd like to stick with the command-tab that's in MacOS. It works. What you're asking for isn't a feature, it's a fundamental OS change. If Aqua is based on X, it'll probably happen. I hope not. I like the feel of MacOS, and yes, I started using computers back in DOS 2.1, so I've been around both worlds plenty of times. I'm a Windows programmer at work, but when I come home my G4 feels a lot cleaner and sharper than anything I've encountered under Wintel.
The death penalty will go into effect at the "close of business, 17:00 PST, on Tuesday, 18 January 2000 (19 Jan 2000 01:00:00 GMT)", not today as stated in the story. ls:.sig: File not found.
I know how you choose the people you picked as friends and family (being one of them), but were there any specific HOW-TOS you looked through? Did you weight projects? Is there a place where you've amassed this information for people to look at?
I was quite surprised myself at being picked, as several other people who I felt have contributed more than me weren't.
There were dual Apple supported Power Macs. The reason there were no SMP G3's is because the G3 does not support SMP (sounds familiar to another chipmaker, no?)
The G4 does, and Apple is taking advantage of that. So yes, you should be thankful.
Dan So many things couldn't happen today So many songs we forgot to play So many dreams coming out of the blue
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From the readme:
;)
:)
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Have fun. And let's see how many people find this without it even being
announced
Announced on slashdot is about as bad as it can get
Dan
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MacOS is not natively thread-aware, but Thread Manager was an attempt to create such processes. I really don't remember much about it - was a big thing back around 7.1 or so. This link seems to have documentation for dealing with it in 8 and 9.
:-(.
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Hrmm...my browser seems to be caching a lot today
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What turned the alarm lights for me where the four colored buttons on each window. One red, one yellow, one green and one grey. My guess is that one opens the system menu, one minimizes, onr maximizes, and one closes the application.
.02 - I'd still prefer the images there all the time.
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But which is which? You have no way to know except by experimenting; and you have to remember. Knowledge has to reside in the head. Bad.
Actually, the buttons overlay images when you mouseover them. Still not the best, but when you go over a button, it looks like the close button, etc.
Just my
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Sure, it's all fine and dandy. We're mostly programmers here.
.02
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But someone, please, tell me the easiest way to type ü (u-umulat) in Windows? One of the things that I do on my Mac that shocks people is just type with the flow foreign characters (opt-u, u is u-umulat, opt-u, e is e-umulat, etc). I think one of the reasons no one wants to move from ASCII to anything else is because it's rather hard to type in anything else.
Just my
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They're sponsored by. I don't see what's wrong with that. There are tons of mentions of other companies/places in my boot up sequence (NET4, etc).
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I kind of like it, it shows that reiserfs is getting commercial help.
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lyrics.mguk.ru doesn't work. Try www.lyrics.mguk.ru.
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But I don't see any mention of lyrics.
ls:
I get a failure on DNS resolution of that site. .sig: File not found.
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Normally wouldn't be one to post such a comment as this one, but...
:P
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AMEN, brother.
I run Linux 24/7 at home, and am actively trying to convert our business to it. But when my box at home reboots into MacOS to play a quick game of Q3A, it's amazing how much (if not prettier) _cleaner_ the MacOS is than anything I use at work or at home.
Perhaps that's my fault of customization on the Linux side, though
Jezzie
ls:
Not quite.
:)
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My '79 Lincoln (4661 lbs dry) would tear apart a Navigator if we were to hit head-on at identical speeds.
A lot more goes into an impact than the weight and speed of the vehicle. Cross-structure braces, etc. My car would be less damaged than said Navigator, but I'd most likely be killed - the car is only 4-some feet tall, and the Navigator would most likely use most of its bulk to crash over it.
The location of the bumpers on an SUV and braces are significantly higher than in a car for the purposes of ground clearance. If their bumper hits my Dodge Dart in the window, for instance, it's not going to help much, even at the 5-mph rating of them.
KE is only half of the equation
Despite all this, however, I am not against SUV's in the marketplace. I think they have a very strong purpose and myself sometimes considering buying them. What scares me is all the soccer mom's driving them that don't belong behind the wheel. Things like the Expedition, Suburban, and Excursion should require CDL's.
ls:
I'm sorry, I wrote the comment at work. In fact, I think this is the first time I'm posting to /. and not at work. Believe me, posting while working is not the best thing - my job frustrates me considerably.
:)
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I'll be more precise, although I doubt you'll respond to it since as an AC it's harder to find your comment amidst the myriad of others
You're right. I didn't intend to insult VB, nor DLL's in general, nor any of another million things.
I'm a rather skilled VB programmer (or at least, like to think so). I like the language, and the RAD features. What my comment intended to ennunciate is that my job has been fucked over by those who came before me, who didn't have the skills but were able to present themselves as skilled.
Thus we have about 40 different DLL's to do things in the most complicated when a straight path would do better that crash constantly, but we don't have time or resources to fix them since we're constantly running prod support in addition to development. It's as much a management problem as a coding problem.
I have to say for a project that requires or would be suited to RAD, VB is quite decent. But, if you are skilled at VB as you say, I doubt highly your saying the language is decent.
It's currently at version 6, and about to hop to 7. The IDE is buggy as hell (ever missed a reference in the project file? sit around for about ten minutes for it to open so you can fix it). Optional arguments can't be user-defined types. There's no hierarchical class structure. Forms can't have user-defined properties. Etc, etc, etc. I don't mean to be bashing VB - it has it's place and uses.
We run an embedded system for computer-based testing.
I would be greatly interested in any reason you had that would explain why we should be running said system in Windows, using VB, with an Access backend. I can't personally think of any. And that's not a flame.
*sigh* I'd much rather go for C/C++ with a linux server, have the testing stations on X servers and link off the main server - no more DLL problems on each machine, etc, etc, etc. We have a sick amount of DLL's, and every time we change one thing we have to recompile 90% of them, or else we get the wonderful old "ActiveX Component can't create object". Helpful error, that.
So I guess this rant is both that VB allows people without skills to more easily foist themselves upon unknowing suits, and that VB is, while a decent RAD language, not suited to the markets the M$ targets it to (mission critical applications and doing "hey, we've integrated VB with IIS! run everything in VB").
Anyway.
That's enough from here
ls:
Here in the Philadelphia area there is anything but a shortage of IT professionals.
:)
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I use the term professionals very strictly. At my current company we have a strong proliferation of IT wannabes. Horrible, horrible people. And we do multi-million dollar contracts with high-profile clientele which we frankly don't deserve.
I wouldn't release our product if I had say, but being 19 and definitely the junior in the department, I don't.
It took me 24 hours to be offered this job. It took me 5 days to get 12 different offers. The market here is very hot for someone with skills, even if they don't have that little degree slip of paper or, heaven forbid, and MCSE or similar.
The problem with the current employment situation isn't really a lack of good developers or an overabundance of horrible ones, but rather no good way to certify people so non-IT types can verify who they're hiring.
MCSE as mentioned recently doesn't do the job. No certification does. Programming is as much an art as anything else which, imho, is being hacked away at by things like VB and components people just download of the 'net and hack together to get to work.
Why write my own work when I can stand on the shoulders of others to create my piss poor crap?
Whatever, maybe I'm a little sick of working here. I'm looking for a new job, as is everyone else. It's horrible.
But, with today's market (yes, I've kind of gone tangential) it should be easy to do that.
Enjoy.
Jezz
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Actually, this was one of the beautiful parts of the Matrix. Morpheus stated "the body cannot live without the mind" which, is, in essence true - it's not a depiction of VR killing you, it's saying if you kill your mind, you kill yourself.
Neo found out slightly differently. I still don't think Neo was "the chosen one" per say, but the first to realize that yes, the body can't live without the mind, but that doesn't mean the Matrix can kill the mind.
Neo was shot, he was killed, he flatlined. But he lived. That's the mind triumphing over VR.
So I think it's inaccurate to quote the Matrix as a similar source. It actually moved beyond that.
Just my .02. .sig: File not found.
Jezzie
ls:
Much nicer command then what I was using, thanks, I will use it in the future - however, my point still stands that it's arcane to use. You shouldn't have to put thus and such into it to get information out like that - there is nothing as structured as APT that I know of, I was using that to find where a certain library file was located that was required by another RPM.
.sig: File not found.
In addition, yes, I'm doing an end run around RPM and yes, it's the wrong thing to do. By stating that I was merely pointing out (without saying it, as I'm prone so often to do) that in order for rpm to be more universally accepted it has to be more supported by the distros. LinuxPPC Dev Release 1.1 came out...last week I think, and it's binutils is at 19, vs. the 27 I last checked for.
That's all I'm really saying.
ls:
I use RPM on a linuxppc system. The majority of my problems come when there a ppc rpm for the most recent version of, for instance, binutils. I'll do a make and make install and *boom* suddenly it overwrites the rpm's files. Oh, but wait, some are in /usr/local/bin, some are in /usr/bin. Oh, and the rpm still thinks it's installed. Oh, and how do I now upgrade the rpm, or remove it without deleting the new binutils?
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Just a few comments (also, rpm -qpl should put a header, so I can do rpm -qpl * instead of for x in *.rpm; "rpm -qpl" "$x" > "$x.lst"; done)
Jezzie
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That's the second time I've seen you post this comment :) You sure do like it, don't you? .sig: File not found.
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DLL? do you mean shared object. This isn't a Windows machine.
:P But yes, of course, I mean .so. I typed the comment at work. I'm a VB programmer during the day, and yes, I hate every minute of it.
:)
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Syntax is irrelevant. Hacker/Cracker, DLL/.so, they're all just names
Personally, I'd much prefer an ".so". That way one can make their own application. Applications can have preference boxes based on the linked object. Everything would be standard.
There's no way, imho, that a "universal" control panel would ever work. Apple originally had that pre-System 7. Sort of. And it sucked, lemme tell you. Linuxconf, e-conf, gnome-conf (or whatever that's called) all have similar problems. How do you deal with different sized windows, etc?
So yeah. Hope this helps explains that
Jezzball
ls:
Hmm. Very strong point, but I don't quite agree with it.
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My main gripe is with the implementation idea. You're defining an entirely new language! Why not just stick with HTML?
Although, as one who is migrating reporting from Access to HTML with a self-maintained Web displayer (doesn't handle any network stuff, but displays HTML properly (tables and all that fun stuff)) I'd say screw it all and just go with a common DLL that you can link.
It'd be a lot easier to update that way as well.
Enjoy the show!
Jezzball
ls:
As poster of the original question, I'll let you know that my name goes in the AUTHORS file (if in the ChangeLog, it gets there very frequently - more frequently than every file). My full name goes in the source to give credit where due, not to promote myself. However, it appears I was picked because of the SourceForge beta testers, of which I was one.
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Jezzball
ls:
Just wanna remind you that their main site is www.linuxppc.com (although I think it sucks compared to linuxppc.org :)
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Jezzball
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Actually, you raise an interesting query with no appropriate answer. The Apple-Tab in 8.5 and above (I'm running 9.0, so it's the same here) switches Applications because that's the _only_ thing the MacOS has rights over. It's like the MDI (Multiple Document Interface) in Windows - for example, try Microsoft Word, or Visual Basic, or anything like that. Alt-Tab and you pop out of Microsoft Word, which is why I often open many Words and quickly run out of memory.
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Windows also allows the option of an SDI interface, a Single Document Interface. This seems to have become the de facto standard, but imho, it's far more complicated and becomes nastily disorganized very quickly. There is no homougeny between programs, etc. It becomes a smorgasbord (sp).
So, imho, I'd like to stick with the command-tab that's in MacOS. It works. What you're asking for isn't a feature, it's a fundamental OS change. If Aqua is based on X, it'll probably happen. I hope not. I like the feel of MacOS, and yes, I started using computers back in DOS 2.1, so I've been around both worlds plenty of times. I'm a Windows programmer at work, but when I come home my G4 feels a lot cleaner and sharper than anything I've encountered under Wintel.
And that's not a flame, that's my opinion.
Jezzball
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zero knowledge is a great crypto scheme (imho). I don't see how it quite pertains to this, though :P
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UDP Faq .sig: File not found.
That's the faq for the UDP.
ls:
The death penalty will go into effect at the "close of business, 17:00 PST, on Tuesday, 18 January 2000 (19 Jan 2000 01:00:00 GMT)", not today as stated in the story. .sig: File not found.
ls:
I know how you choose the people you picked as friends and family (being one of them), but were there any specific HOW-TOS you looked through? Did you weight projects? Is there a place where you've amassed this information for people to look at?
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I was quite surprised myself at being picked, as several other people who I felt have contributed more than me weren't.
Jezzball (Jobe)
ls:
There were dual Apple supported Power Macs. The reason there were no SMP G3's is because the G3 does not support SMP (sounds familiar to another chipmaker, no?)
The G4 does, and Apple is taking advantage of that. So yes, you should be thankful.
Dan
So many things couldn't happen today
So many songs we forgot to play
So many dreams coming out of the blue