A single study is "good evidence" because it finds interesting correlations beyond the dozens if not hundreds of studies that find gender differences in spatial ability, which you call "very little evidence". As if the "spatial ability" measured is the same as being "'curious' about systems".
Who is actually fishing for data to fit the narrative here?
preeminent misogynist theory is that women are born with physiological differences that make them naturally less inclined toward the field
"The difference is, females in general are much more interested in what you can do with the technology, than with just the technology itself," says Harvey Mudd President Maria Klawe
It certainly doesn't take much of a leap of faith to agree with Barbara Ericson, a senior research scientist at the Georgia Institute of Technology, when she says that "Boys fall in love with computers as machines; girls see them as tools to do something else."
When the people actually doing something about getting girls into computer science say things like that, it certainly sounds like they believe girls aren't naturally inclined toward the field, at least not the way boys are.
(And why do you deny physiological differences? Are you a TERF?)
Some mentally ill slut fucking her boss is not evidence of corruption.
No one wants to touch "gamer gate" because you people are cringe-worthy. We were gaining traction against the SJW co-option of internet media, but then you dumb autistic fucks ruined it with your conspiracy theories and harassment.
You are intentionally being an idiot (I hope it's not natural). A "know-it-all" is not a manly thing, it's annoying. And dickish. And puts people off. Most know-it-alls don't in fact know it all.
These aren't just whatever, "it's just people making choices". It's clearly social and political influence.
you also shouldn't care about us people trying to effect social and political changes.
We're not supposed to care about your deliberate interference, but you're allowed to care about the choices women make, because society got in their heads and made them make the wrong choices?
Normally I don't care. But people like you are not trying to eliminate the sexism (probably because your assertions of it are vastly overstated), but trying to change the nature of the field to make it more friendly to stereotypes about women, without any consideration as to whether these changes will actually improve the field and the skillset of CS graduates.
And let's look at the assumptions these efforts make, and their solutions.
"The first class you take is a weed-out class, and they are shocked by the fact they don't get any women at the end."
CS is too hard for women because, despite growing up with computers, they never learned how to program before. Lighten the intro courses to be less "weed out".
"Know-it-alls in any section are told to cool it so no one is intimidated."
Women are intimidated by knowledge and enthusiasm. Don't show off. It's too... manly.
"Along with changes to the introductory courses, Mudd works hard to keep women interested in the field."
Women need to be pandered to to keep them interested.
"Women and men work through problems in very different ways"
Women's brains are different. But still, ignore those troglodytes who said women are naturally less inclined to be interested in abstract machines.
"They bemoaned middle and high school math teachers who didn't engage or inspire."
More pandering is the solution. Nevermind the boys who never got that encouragement either. (High school CS curriculum was a joke twenty years ago, and it still is.)
Is coddling women going to make them better programmers? Who knows, maybe it will. But don't pretend you aren't coddling them.
Would Apple be where it is if Jobs wasn't an asshole?
Do you think Linux would still be a success if Linus wasn't there to keep dumbasses from accumulating more political clout than technical competence and steering it toward ruin?
I bet we'd all be using Hurd now, we'd have a colony on Mars, and there'd be peace in the Middle East. Nothing promotes innovation faster than living in a hugbox that respects all opinions!
Humanity is nothing but genes. Some tens of thousands of them, but yeah, compared to the scale of the universe, that is a few.
What you're actually sad about is that you can't comprehend how that figuratively infinite variability translates into the things your feeble brain finds comforting.
Gattaca was paranoid luddite whining that rationalizes lying and cheating when you can't adequately compete against people who are better at things than you.
If you stuck me in front of a computer to mimic code someone showed me at 7, I'd have thought "okay, great, when is recess?"
Wait, computer time wasn't recess?
I actually think the ubiquity of computers is the reason CS graduation rates have declined since before the dot com bubble. For the millennials, the magic never wears off because computers were never magical to begin with. And kids don't program for fun as much these days because the distance between what they can write and what they see in AAA video games is astronomical.
When I started programming I thought I was the shit when I made a 3d cube rotate on a TRS-80. Sure, it was simple, but it wasn't like I was used to seeing 3d computer graphics on a home computer. Graphics like that in The Last Starfighter blew my fucking mind.
I'm like this guy, wanted to be an astronomer but went into CS because it was the lazy easy thing.
Now I'm probably going to retire in a few years and would like to do something that matters before I'm too dumb and slow. I doubt I'll ever learn enough physics to advance the science, but I've seen what passes for software in academic settings, and I could certainly make the software suck less.
You'll also note they mentioned T-Mobile explicitly in the presentation in regard to this. Apparently "Apple makes it usable" with T-Mobile doing all the work.
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A single study is "good evidence" because it finds interesting correlations beyond the dozens if not hundreds of studies that find gender differences in spatial ability, which you call "very little evidence". As if the "spatial ability" measured is the same as being "'curious' about systems".
Who is actually fishing for data to fit the narrative here?
When the people actually doing something about getting girls into computer science say things like that, it certainly sounds like they believe girls aren't naturally inclined toward the field, at least not the way boys are.
(And why do you deny physiological differences? Are you a TERF?)
Some mentally ill slut fucking her boss is not evidence of corruption.
No one wants to touch "gamer gate" because you people are cringe-worthy. We were gaining traction against the SJW co-option of internet media, but then you dumb autistic fucks ruined it with your conspiracy theories and harassment.
Not a manly thing? They literally call that policy "Operation Eliminate the Macho Effect". And by the way, italics indicate sarcasm.
So am I the idiot, or are they? (I suspect the largest idiot is a third party.)
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We're not supposed to care about your deliberate interference, but you're allowed to care about the choices women make, because society got in their heads and made them make the wrong choices?
Normally I don't care. But people like you are not trying to eliminate the sexism (probably because your assertions of it are vastly overstated), but trying to change the nature of the field to make it more friendly to stereotypes about women, without any consideration as to whether these changes will actually improve the field and the skillset of CS graduates.
Read this article about one presumably successful effort.
And let's look at the assumptions these efforts make, and their solutions.
"The first class you take is a weed-out class, and they are shocked by the fact they don't get any women at the end."
CS is too hard for women because, despite growing up with computers, they never learned how to program before. Lighten the intro courses to be less "weed out".
"Know-it-alls in any section are told to cool it so no one is intimidated."
Women are intimidated by knowledge and enthusiasm. Don't show off. It's too... manly.
"Along with changes to the introductory courses, Mudd works hard to keep women interested in the field."
Women need to be pandered to to keep them interested.
"Women and men work through problems in very different ways"
Women's brains are different. But still, ignore those troglodytes who said women are naturally less inclined to be interested in abstract machines.
"They bemoaned middle and high school math teachers who didn't engage or inspire."
More pandering is the solution. Nevermind the boys who never got that encouragement either. (High school CS curriculum was a joke twenty years ago, and it still is.)
Is coddling women going to make them better programmers? Who knows, maybe it will. But don't pretend you aren't coddling them.
You'd think that'd help you deal with your insecurity.
Would Apple be where it is if Jobs wasn't an asshole?
Do you think Linux would still be a success if Linus wasn't there to keep dumbasses from accumulating more political clout than technical competence and steering it toward ruin?
I bet we'd all be using Hurd now, we'd have a colony on Mars, and there'd be peace in the Middle East. Nothing promotes innovation faster than living in a hugbox that respects all opinions!
How? What's the rate of geniuses among children who need public assistance?
I suspect you'd get a much bigger bang for your buck by focusing on the embryos.
Humanity is nothing but genes. Some tens of thousands of them, but yeah, compared to the scale of the universe, that is a few.
What you're actually sad about is that you can't comprehend how that figuratively infinite variability translates into the things your feeble brain finds comforting.
Gattaca was paranoid luddite whining that rationalizes lying and cheating when you can't adequately compete against people who are better at things than you.
Wait, computer time wasn't recess?
I actually think the ubiquity of computers is the reason CS graduation rates have declined since before the dot com bubble. For the millennials, the magic never wears off because computers were never magical to begin with. And kids don't program for fun as much these days because the distance between what they can write and what they see in AAA video games is astronomical.
When I started programming I thought I was the shit when I made a 3d cube rotate on a TRS-80. Sure, it was simple, but it wasn't like I was used to seeing 3d computer graphics on a home computer. Graphics like that in The Last Starfighter blew my fucking mind.
"Eat shit and live, motherfucker!"
"Well, doctor, if you insist..."
Dude. Not cool. You need to check your literacy privilege.
Your problem isn't that it's a gross oversimplification of conservatism, but that it isn't narrow enough?
Funny how the conservative's first defense is "we're not all like that!"
Yes, that is correct.
lol, that is a poor person's car.
It's funny to watch right wingers shit on people only slightly poorer than themselves to pretend they're not the same as the "47%".
I can't wait to kill commies with a rave gun!
Wait, are you implying the current crop of new MMOs are what the market wants? lol.
They more likely canned it because it too closely resembled one of the stinkers you mentioned.
Who is giving away their time to code review the work of thousands of neophyte programmers?
Sounds to me more like the blind leading the blind.
I'm like this guy, wanted to be an astronomer but went into CS because it was the lazy easy thing.
Now I'm probably going to retire in a few years and would like to do something that matters before I'm too dumb and slow. I doubt I'll ever learn enough physics to advance the science, but I've seen what passes for software in academic settings, and I could certainly make the software suck less.
So what kind of software does astronomy need?
Impressive. You have weaponized STEM envy.
Bitch, please.
If you're going to lawyer on technicalities, at least know what the fuck is being discussed.
That has nothing to do with this. But it does demonstrate how fucking clueless your conventional wisdom is.
Everyone who makes a comment about how this "disproves" global warming is a drooling moron.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
Sure thing, bro! On a BlackBerry! In 2008!
You'll also note they mentioned T-Mobile explicitly in the presentation in regard to this. Apparently "Apple makes it usable" with T-Mobile doing all the work.