That's why I said that the socioeconomic conditions were key. They were the main contributing factor to the populace's willingness to accept Hitler's radical views.
Remember that at that point Hilter was the government. He was setting what was acceptable or not. And the general populace at that time agreed with him.
He's saying that if Hitler came around today in Europe, his ideas would be soundly smacked down by the anti hate laws that exist in present-day Europe. That wasn't possible before WWII.
If America currently had the same socioeconomic conditions (this is the key part) that existed in Germany before the war, and a man like Hitler with his ideas (and the charisma to get them across) came forward, there is no way that those ideas could be stopped under current law. People in Europe see that as a danger.
I realize that you are on a complete boycott. But, this being a public forum, I felt it necissary to flesh out our respective opinions; I hope that we both (and hopefully someone else) have learned something.
PS. Sorry if I came across harshly. I just feel very strongly about these issues.
that I wouldn't have watched anyway without the freeloading
That's a tricky little phrase.
It allows you to watch your movie without feeling any guilt. Its an old argument. "I am against paying for this service/item, and wouldn't do so anyway, so I'm not morally compromised by taking it." Shoplifters use this argument all the time (yes, I know that material harm is done, but to most large corporations, the actual damage done is insignificant).
I trust you know that an actor's salary is sometimes based upon their movie's profits? Same with the director, and the producer. By not paying for the service they provide, you are ripping them off (and yes, had you not been sitting in that movie theatre chair they wouldn't know the difference, nor would they miss the money).
In Hollywood, an actor/director/producer's success is based upon ticket sales. More success == more movies. By deeming the movie (and therefore the work of all involved) deserving of your eyes (by sitting in the movie theatre seat), you should be deeming their work worthy of your money.
You're right. The MPAA has acted immorally - they can be downright evil at times (but, you also have to remember that they have a legal resposibility to their shareholders - to maximize their profits in any way they can... and they are doing a great job at that). But that doesn't justify "freeloading" off of them. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.
I'm not sure Rob ever encouraged a boycott of the MPAA. He ran stories on his website that were of interest to said website's readership. Members of that readership called for a boycott. Rob is not subject to any action called for by the readers of his website.
He also assumes (rightfully so) that his readership has at least some capacity for independent thought (although that may be too much to ask of your everyday SlashBot).
I don't think that Rob should be asked to censor himself because his words might somehow affect how someone might live their life. That's absurd.
However, like most americans, I have no moral objections to freeloading something that has near-zero marginal cost, especially if I wouldn't have paid for it under any circumstances anyway.
I'm sorry, but I feel that this is holding the Movie industry to a higher moral standard than the one to which you hold yourself. You expect the MPAA to be honest in their business affairs, but you think its ok if you sneak your movie fix "through the back door".
This is dishonest (even immoral) behaviour.
Comments like these are exactly the ammunition the MPAA can use to their ends ("Look and what one of these hackers said: (insert your comment here). They steal from us! And they'll use their computers to do it more!").
This is one of those times where it's all or nothing.
Are you saying that giving these people fusion technology is any better? Fusion bombs are a lot bigger than fission bombs (I realize that the by-products of fusion are useless in an H-Bomb, but the deuterium used in fusion is very useful. Having the technology to do something is half the battle.)
2 1/2 years ago, a friend of mine picked up a Virtual Boy (incl. 4 games) for $20 at a CompuCentre in New Jersey that was liquidating all of its merchandise. Incredible deal
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My highschool Physics Teacher (A physics Ph.D., whose husband runs the physics department at the local University) thinks that controlled Nuclear Fusion is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen (in any "profitable" way - by profitable, I mean you get more energy than you put in).
Think about it, does the US government try to shut down Cuban cigar retailers in Canada, or tell them that they must make their website inaccessible to people in the US? No.
Yes.
The US government passed something called the Helms-Burton Law that made it possible for US citizens/businesses to sue foreigners if they did any business in Cuba. It also made it possible for the US to ban these foreign citizens (who have been to Cuba or done business there) from crossing into the USA.
I don't remember the outcome of this law; last I heard, it was being challenged at the International Courts in Geneva on the grounds that one soverign nation cannot enact laws that affect the citizens of another soverign nation (specifically, the ability of private citizens of the US to sue a Canadian/Brazilian/whatever).
Did you know that corporations are, under the law, people? More any civic liberties delegated to people are delegated to corporations (at least that's my understanding of it from my MacroECON class).
Well, according to CNN at 2:18 AM EST, Dubya has won. The US finally has a president that can't use the english language properly. A man whose platform is "I'm a nice guy! Vote for me!".
If someone has the technical expertise to install and setup/configure a new operating system (it does NOT matter what OS it is) onto their machine, then I think that it follows that they can troubleshoot it, and find/fix problems on said machine.
But Bush is seen as a moron. Morons aren't very well liked on/. Gore at least has some smarts. He usually knows what he's talking about, rather than faking his way through it.
Creating the internet does not mean inventing it. Gore took the initiative of demilitarizing ArpaNet and making it public, effectively turning it into the Internet we see today. It takes more than protocols and wires to make an internet, you know... it also took a lot of government support.
I understand that. Perhaps all of these things will follow naturally from the discovery of the Higgs Boson. I have a feeling that at least gravity might. Gravity is the attraction of mass to other mass. The Higgs boson is supposed to be mass. If we can figure out how the Higgs boson exists, and interacts with other particles, then we may just discover gravity.
The strong force, however, that's another matter entirely, and I'm not qualified to address it:-).
Yes. But that's everything. If the Higgs Particle is as fundamental as some people believe, it's equation would fit on the t-shirt, and then everything else could be derived from it. Just like Newton's physics basically come from F=ma. There's a lot of theory and derivation to get everything else, but that is the basic foundation of Newtonian physics.
I realize that this is only a "Possible" discovery of the Higgs Particle, but any developments in work towards this discovery is highly interesting. I have heard some physicists say that the discovery of this particle will allow all of physics to be reduced to a t-shirt. One particle. One force. One equation. This would be a fundamental discovery in physics.
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Then who does? Where do you draw that line?
That's why I said that the socioeconomic conditions were key. They were the main contributing factor to the populace's willingness to accept Hitler's radical views.
Remember that at that point Hilter was the government. He was setting what was acceptable or not. And the general populace at that time agreed with him.
He's saying that if Hitler came around today in Europe, his ideas would be soundly smacked down by the anti hate laws that exist in present-day Europe. That wasn't possible before WWII.
If America currently had the same socioeconomic conditions (this is the key part) that existed in Germany before the war, and a man like Hitler with his ideas (and the charisma to get them across) came forward, there is no way that those ideas could be stopped under current law. People in Europe see that as a danger.
I realize that you are on a complete boycott. But, this being a public forum, I felt it necissary to flesh out our respective opinions; I hope that we both (and hopefully someone else) have learned something.
PS. Sorry if I came across harshly. I just feel very strongly about these issues.
That's a tricky little phrase.
It allows you to watch your movie without feeling any guilt. Its an old argument. "I am against paying for this service/item, and wouldn't do so anyway, so I'm not morally compromised by taking it." Shoplifters use this argument all the time (yes, I know that material harm is done, but to most large corporations, the actual damage done is insignificant).
I trust you know that an actor's salary is sometimes based upon their movie's profits? Same with the director, and the producer. By not paying for the service they provide, you are ripping them off (and yes, had you not been sitting in that movie theatre chair they wouldn't know the difference, nor would they miss the money).
In Hollywood, an actor/director/producer's success is based upon ticket sales. More success == more movies. By deeming the movie (and therefore the work of all involved) deserving of your eyes (by sitting in the movie theatre seat), you should be deeming their work worthy of your money.
You're right. The MPAA has acted immorally - they can be downright evil at times (but, you also have to remember that they have a legal resposibility to their shareholders - to maximize their profits in any way they can... and they are doing a great job at that). But that doesn't justify "freeloading" off of them. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right.
He also assumes (rightfully so) that his readership has at least some capacity for independent thought (although that may be too much to ask of your everyday SlashBot).
I don't think that Rob should be asked to censor himself because his words might somehow affect how someone might live their life. That's absurd.
I'm sorry, but I feel that this is holding the Movie industry to a higher moral standard than the one to which you hold yourself. You expect the MPAA to be honest in their business affairs, but you think its ok if you sneak your movie fix "through the back door".
This is dishonest (even immoral) behaviour.
Comments like these are exactly the ammunition the MPAA can use to their ends ("Look and what one of these hackers said: (insert your comment here). They steal from us! And they'll use their computers to do it more!").
This is one of those times where it's all or nothing.
Are you saying that giving these people fusion technology is any better? Fusion bombs are a lot bigger than fission bombs (I realize that the by-products of fusion are useless in an H-Bomb, but the deuterium used in fusion is very useful. Having the technology to do something is half the battle.)
2 1/2 years ago, a friend of mine picked up a Virtual Boy (incl. 4 games) for $20 at a CompuCentre in New Jersey that was liquidating all of its merchandise. Incredible deal
My highschool Physics Teacher (A physics Ph.D., whose husband runs the physics department at the local University) thinks that controlled Nuclear Fusion is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen (in any "profitable" way - by profitable, I mean you get more energy than you put in).
They'd still fit if you gave everyone a 10ftx10ftx10ft cubicle.
Yes.
The US government passed something called the Helms-Burton Law that made it possible for US citizens/businesses to sue foreigners if they did any business in Cuba. It also made it possible for the US to ban these foreign citizens (who have been to Cuba or done business there) from crossing into the USA.
I don't remember the outcome of this law; last I heard, it was being challenged at the International Courts in Geneva on the grounds that one soverign nation cannot enact laws that affect the citizens of another soverign nation (specifically, the ability of private citizens of the US to sue a Canadian/Brazilian/whatever).
Did you know that corporations are, under the law, people? More any civic liberties delegated to people are delegated to corporations (at least that's my understanding of it from my MacroECON class).
That happened a long time ago, bud.
I'm glad I live in Canada :)
They've released 1 system?
If someone has the technical expertise to install and setup/configure a new operating system (it does NOT matter what OS it is) onto their machine, then I think that it follows that they can troubleshoot it, and find/fix problems on said machine.
But Bush is seen as a moron. Morons aren't very well liked on /. Gore at least has some smarts. He usually knows what he's talking about, rather than faking his way through it.
Hey! Mr T is cool!
Creating the internet does not mean inventing it. Gore took the initiative of demilitarizing ArpaNet and making it public, effectively turning it into the Internet we see today. It takes more than protocols and wires to make an internet, you know... it also took a lot of government support.
The strong force, however, that's another matter entirely, and I'm not qualified to address it :-).
Yes. But that's everything. If the Higgs Particle is as fundamental as some people believe, it's equation would fit on the t-shirt, and then everything else could be derived from it. Just like Newton's physics basically come from F=ma.
There's a lot of theory and derivation to get everything else, but that is the basic foundation of Newtonian physics.
I realize that this is only a "Possible" discovery of the Higgs Particle, but any developments in work towards this discovery is highly interesting. I have heard some physicists say that the discovery of this particle will allow all of physics to be reduced to a t-shirt. One particle. One force. One equation.
This would be a fundamental discovery in physics.
Since when does that matter?