I live in California. The heart of Silicon Valley to be precise. I commute precisely 1.2 miles to work. That's much much better than my Oregonian friend who commutes 30 miles.
These results are atypical. Your mileage will vary.
Having lived in the detroit area for quite a while, I can back up the parent's post. I know people who work for particular companies, and if they drive the wrong vehicle to work it will get keyed.
In Oregon, that alone is grounds to quit and still draw a salary due to hostile work environment. I suggest you do the same if this is a problem for you.
These companies expect their employees to support the company, and punish those who don't.
In the manner you describe, it's 100% illegal for them to do so. Your state's bureau of labor and industries would be very interested in this.
See, I really hate people like this -- people who have no problem with uprooting themselves every year or two to shuffle 20 miles away because their job has moved. People who can find work that allows them a salary in which to house themselves and their family in the same dense urban overpriced core -- or who don't mind spending way too much for housing.
So you hate common sense and love urban sprawl.
Wait, these people don't have families, because they have no social skills, and so remain loners and put on false facades of superiority over those who don't have to worry about the effects on their family members and other ramifications if they suddenly up and ship off across state, country or world.
No, in the real world, people develop skills to cope with change. It's not our fault you're socially underdeveloped.
The state has had more Republican governors lately, but the legislature has has made the state's laws most definitely liberal.
Yes, eliminating legal safeguards and allowing critical utilities to privatize was in everybody's best interest. Catering to illegal immigrants is in everybody's best interest. Oh yeah, that's sure liberal all right, you don't put money exclusively in the pockets of the rich at the expense of the entire region, oh no...
The power companies illegally exploited the poor wording of CA's power deregulation.
That passed unanimously in both houses of the California congress, elected by Californians. Shows some real intelligence there.
CA didn't have a negative net domestic immigration rate until 1990. Frankly I think the influx of illegal immigrants has played a large part in causing that.
Once again, you cause your own problem through lack of inaction, then spread the consequences to your neighbors instead of dealing with your own problems yourself. Compare the northwest prior to 1990 to after 1990. Tom McCall is probably turning in his grave given what the Californians have done to the place.
How did you manage to be wrong about so many points? Are you blinded by hate? Oh wait, you can't see up your own ass.
No. I'm a patriot. I love Oregon for what it is, not what you're trying to turn it into.
If you're taking a jab at Californians for the liberal politics,
Nope. And I hate to break it to you, but California is a conservative state. You inflicted Reagan on your neighbors. You're trying to inflict Arnold on your neighbors. You enabled both Bush presidencies. You caused the power crisis, then blamed your neighbors. Your trash visits then forgets to go back to California (folks in Washington, Colorado and Arizona can also attest to similar Californication of their states). Fuck California and everyone in it, you are the embodyment of everything the world hates about America and you prove it time and time again.
I'll point out that while LA is known for it's web of freeways, the Bay Area has some of the best public transportation in the country.
And yet, your transit system doesn't put a dent in your traffic problem. Portland has some of the worst public transportation in the world, and it's still more comprehensive and runs more frequently than any other US city, save for New York.
Please pull your head out of your ass and realize why the world laughs at you.
It's pitch black during the morning and evening commutes
It's cold outside, with snow on the ground
I'm sorry, but when my body starts to freeze to a block of solid ice while cycling, it's time to put the bike away.
Lightweight (but what do you expect out of California...).
You're only 42 degrees north, you still have plenty of light after work and in the morning. And you know not what weather is. Shit, Vancouver and Whistler, BC are at 50 degrees north. Many winter mornings have snow at the upper elevations (and everywhere in Whistler), with sunrise well after start of business and sunset well before end of business every day. They don't bitch. Suck it up, Californian, prove there's at least one non-wuss, non-poser in the state.
Only if they're dumb enough to live in a different city than the one they work in. Or Los Angeles (but that's kind of redundant, calling Californians stupid).
Many companies have dress codes that might make you rather sweaty in July and August if you biked to work (or any other human powered method).
Most bikes equipped for commuting have plenty of space to carry a change of clothes as well as personal effects. I commuted 15 miles by bicycle for years wearing a t-shirt and jeans or shorts. Get to work, change in the restroom.
Companies believe in an image. Even if that means aristocratic demonstrations of hierarchy.
Thus damaging their own image and alienating their talent pool.
Detroit has effectively no public transportation that anyone would consider without a large hand gun and you are expected to drive into work in a shiny new clean 6,000 lb SUV because you're supporting the company.
That's like saying folks who work at Bombardier have to drive to work in a Type II LRV, even if there aren't any light rail tracks and they aren't qualified to drive a train.
You have options. You refuse to acknowledge them. This is your own fault.
Ah, you must not work in the professional world, where these things DO matter.
Ah, you must not work in the 3rd millennium yet, where these things DON'T matter. You might want to join us, things are better here in the future. Even the September That Never Ended ended earlier this millennium.
Oregon is full, so this really doesn't apply to people outside of Oregon (save for the tourists...remember to leave when you're done visiting).
Oregon law requires weather-protected bicycle parking for most commercial and all government facilities. If you are in Oregon, and you can't park your bike, it might be time to remind them of their legal obligation to bicyclists.
I tried to explain to my 15-year-old niece how she shouldn't use Google Talk because of its lack of support for XMPP server-to-server communication.
Don't do this, please. Google is so very close to getting it right, and they have at least made *some* steps in the right direction. They at least picked XMPP, right? Eventually they will figure it out and do s2s. The publicity will catch up with them.
Please reread my posts for comprehension. I wasn't saying run five clients, I'm saying, let the server do the heavy lifting dealing with the other protocols.
They may be half-assed, but it's better than having 5 asses clogging up my resources.
At bat, HD Webdev! Here's the pitch. Ooh, swing and a miss.
I was alluding to the fact that you can kill three birds (switch to the recently standardized XMPP protocol, thus ensuring future compatability; maintain connectivity with obsoleted IM systems and use one single client) simply by joining a Jabber server and registering your legacy IM logins just a single time. Why should anybody sit through organzising their contact list and setting aliases for their entire contact list more than once? Why should anybody use a half-assed client that makes you do just that every time you log in for the first time with it on a new machine?
With Jabber, once you're logged in, everything's been registered and you've sorted your list for the first time, you're done. Your jabber server will log you in to the obsolete networks and remember everybody's name and what group you put them in, no matter what network that contact is on. As far as the client is concerned, they're all Jabber; the server does all the heavy lifting and network translation. And because the client only has to speak a single, simple protocol, a full-featured client comes in around a single megabyte.
Why defend the multi-protocol clients when they're a greater pain in the ass to use?
If the problem wasn't AOL, IETF would have made ICQ or AIM the standard for instant messaging, not XMPP. It's not anybody's fault but their own that they don't publish the specs.
It supports AIM, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, MSN and maybe some others.
So it's not a Jabber client, then? Jabber clients don't fuck around with a bajillion different protocols, that's the server's job to sort out. Psi, however, is a real jabber client that makes it easy to use the transports to the obsolete IM systems still kicking around for some god-forsaken reason.
So register with some transports and add your legacy IM account buddy lists to your Jabber buddy list. It really isn't that hard if your Jabber client supports service discovery (otherwise, dump Trillian, scrap that stupid GAIM and use a real Jabber client like Psi so you can take advantage of it).
Once you have that done, convert your friends to Jabber and replace their legacy IM network contacts with a single Jabber ID.
Where does Cerulean get off thinking that SSL is somehow "legacy?" Wait, never mind, we're talking about a company that thought a client that speaks a dozen protocols to do the same thing is somehow better than an IM service that can bridge the protocols...
I yearn for the day when I have only 1 IM ID. People who like yahoo can use their client and YIM ID, people who run their own jabber server can use whatever client they want, etc. Hell, they can even run propriatary video conferencing/etc which require their own software for all I care as long as I can do simple messaging with anyone on any service.
Can't happen. If you removed the part about the proprietary networks actually playing nicely, then you're squarely within the realm of realism. If you want it to happen, now is a good time to start moving your contacts to Jabber and let the proprietary networks just die already.
You only need one Jabber ID to talk to every internet-connected Jabber server out there. You only need to register your logins on the other IM systems and you've just obsoleted the need for Trillian, Gaim, Kopete and all the other half-assed attempts at IM unification. You're thinking this is added complexity, when it's actually complexity removed.
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These results are atypical. Your mileage will vary.
In Oregon, that alone is grounds to quit and still draw a salary due to hostile work environment. I suggest you do the same if this is a problem for you.
These companies expect their employees to support the company, and punish those who don't.
In the manner you describe, it's 100% illegal for them to do so. Your state's bureau of labor and industries would be very interested in this.
So you hate common sense and love urban sprawl.
Wait, these people don't have families, because they have no social skills, and so remain loners and put on false facades of superiority over those who don't have to worry about the effects on their family members and other ramifications if they suddenly up and ship off across state, country or world.
No, in the real world, people develop skills to cope with change. It's not our fault you're socially underdeveloped.
It's called a sponge.
Yes, eliminating legal safeguards and allowing critical utilities to privatize was in everybody's best interest. Catering to illegal immigrants is in everybody's best interest. Oh yeah, that's sure liberal all right, you don't put money exclusively in the pockets of the rich at the expense of the entire region, oh no...
The power companies illegally exploited the poor wording of CA's power deregulation.
That passed unanimously in both houses of the California congress, elected by Californians. Shows some real intelligence there.
CA didn't have a negative net domestic immigration rate until 1990. Frankly I think the influx of illegal immigrants has played a large part in causing that.
Once again, you cause your own problem through lack of inaction, then spread the consequences to your neighbors instead of dealing with your own problems yourself. Compare the northwest prior to 1990 to after 1990. Tom McCall is probably turning in his grave given what the Californians have done to the place.
How did you manage to be wrong about so many points? Are you blinded by hate? Oh wait, you can't see up your own ass.
No. I'm a patriot. I love Oregon for what it is, not what you're trying to turn it into.
Nope. And I hate to break it to you, but California is a conservative state. You inflicted Reagan on your neighbors. You're trying to inflict Arnold on your neighbors. You enabled both Bush presidencies. You caused the power crisis, then blamed your neighbors. Your trash visits then forgets to go back to California (folks in Washington, Colorado and Arizona can also attest to similar Californication of their states). Fuck California and everyone in it, you are the embodyment of everything the world hates about America and you prove it time and time again.
I'll point out that while LA is known for it's web of freeways, the Bay Area has some of the best public transportation in the country.
And yet, your transit system doesn't put a dent in your traffic problem. Portland has some of the worst public transportation in the world, and it's still more comprehensive and runs more frequently than any other US city, save for New York.
Please pull your head out of your ass and realize why the world laughs at you.
I'm sorry, but when my body starts to freeze to a block of solid ice while cycling, it's time to put the bike away.
Lightweight (but what do you expect out of California...).
You're only 42 degrees north, you still have plenty of light after work and in the morning. And you know not what weather is. Shit, Vancouver and Whistler, BC are at 50 degrees north. Many winter mornings have snow at the upper elevations (and everywhere in Whistler), with sunrise well after start of business and sunset well before end of business every day. They don't bitch. Suck it up, Californian, prove there's at least one non-wuss, non-poser in the state.
Only if they're dumb enough to live in a different city than the one they work in. Or Los Angeles (but that's kind of redundant, calling Californians stupid).
Many companies have dress codes that might make you rather sweaty in July and August if you biked to work (or any other human powered method).
Most bikes equipped for commuting have plenty of space to carry a change of clothes as well as personal effects. I commuted 15 miles by bicycle for years wearing a t-shirt and jeans or shorts. Get to work, change in the restroom.
Companies believe in an image. Even if that means aristocratic demonstrations of hierarchy.
Thus damaging their own image and alienating their talent pool.
Detroit has effectively no public transportation that anyone would consider without a large hand gun and you are expected to drive into work in a shiny new clean 6,000 lb SUV because you're supporting the company.
That's like saying folks who work at Bombardier have to drive to work in a Type II LRV, even if there aren't any light rail tracks and they aren't qualified to drive a train.
You have options. You refuse to acknowledge them. This is your own fault.
Ah, you must not work in the 3rd millennium yet, where these things DON'T matter. You might want to join us, things are better here in the future. Even the September That Never Ended ended earlier this millennium.
Oregon is full, so this really doesn't apply to people outside of Oregon (save for the tourists...remember to leave when you're done visiting). Oregon law requires weather-protected bicycle parking for most commercial and all government facilities. If you are in Oregon, and you can't park your bike, it might be time to remind them of their legal obligation to bicyclists.
Don't do this, please. Google is so very close to getting it right, and they have at least made *some* steps in the right direction. They at least picked XMPP, right? Eventually they will figure it out and do s2s. The publicity will catch up with them.
Clearly, they do, because s2s is enabled with a secure configuration by default on at least jabberd and ejabberd.
I really don't think anyone in their right mind believes in decentralized stuff unless they're doing something illegal or they're libertarians
You don't believe in email, then? It's been decentralized practically from the moment SMTP standardized.
you don't have to worry about weirdo incompatibilities since you define compatibility.
Very Microsoftian. Is this an Adequacy-style troll?
Please reread my posts for comprehension. I wasn't saying run five clients, I'm saying, let the server do the heavy lifting dealing with the other protocols.
At bat, HD Webdev! Here's the pitch. Ooh, swing and a miss.
I was alluding to the fact that you can kill three birds (switch to the recently standardized XMPP protocol, thus ensuring future compatability; maintain connectivity with obsoleted IM systems and use one single client) simply by joining a Jabber server and registering your legacy IM logins just a single time. Why should anybody sit through organzising their contact list and setting aliases for their entire contact list more than once? Why should anybody use a half-assed client that makes you do just that every time you log in for the first time with it on a new machine?
With Jabber, once you're logged in, everything's been registered and you've sorted your list for the first time, you're done. Your jabber server will log you in to the obsolete networks and remember everybody's name and what group you put them in, no matter what network that contact is on. As far as the client is concerned, they're all Jabber; the server does all the heavy lifting and network translation. And because the client only has to speak a single, simple protocol, a full-featured client comes in around a single megabyte.
Why defend the multi-protocol clients when they're a greater pain in the ass to use?
_Underline_ should have been obvious...
If the problem wasn't AOL, IETF would have made ICQ or AIM the standard for instant messaging, not XMPP. It's not anybody's fault but their own that they don't publish the specs.
Feel free to start up slashdot@conference.ursine.ca if you can't find it...
GAIM is a poor excuse for a Jabber client and lacks many key features (off the top of my head, service discovery). Just use Psi instead.
You do know about Jabber 80, right? Ironically, a 30 second google search of Jabber.org would have saved you a lot of frustration on this problem.
Or use Jabber instead and let the Jabber server work out dealing with AOL's inability to make their own systems play nice with each other...
So it's not a Jabber client, then? Jabber clients don't fuck around with a bajillion different protocols, that's the server's job to sort out. Psi, however, is a real jabber client that makes it easy to use the transports to the obsolete IM systems still kicking around for some god-forsaken reason.
Once you have that done, convert your friends to Jabber and replace their legacy IM network contacts with a single Jabber ID.
Easier done than said, it really is.
Where does Cerulean get off thinking that SSL is somehow "legacy?" Wait, never mind, we're talking about a company that thought a client that speaks a dozen protocols to do the same thing is somehow better than an IM service that can bridge the protocols...
Can't happen. If you removed the part about the proprietary networks actually playing nicely, then you're squarely within the realm of realism. If you want it to happen, now is a good time to start moving your contacts to Jabber and let the proprietary networks just die already.
You only need one Jabber ID to talk to every internet-connected Jabber server out there. You only need to register your logins on the other IM systems and you've just obsoleted the need for Trillian, Gaim, Kopete and all the other half-assed attempts at IM unification. You're thinking this is added complexity, when it's actually complexity removed.