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Google Talk Available Early
smash writes "Google's new IM service is already live. All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or gaim), and a GMail address." This should answer, at least in part, all of the speculation that has been flying around the net over the last couple of days. Update: Many users have been eager to let us know that Google Talk in indeed live.
Stay tuned to Google tomorrow for details.
Er, is that one http://tomorrow.google.com/ ?
Whoop.
Dee.
Do.
I just created my account. I'm cbergeron.
Feel free to add me so we can try this puppy out...!
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
Any word on when Gmail is going to go public? Last I heard google news was waiting because of it's inability to create revenue because they were using other peoples news or some such. But the mail portion has adds and the like, so I guess it is able to make revenue.
So this isn't exactly google chat, the AIM killer. Don't see any reason to bother with this.
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What is a google?
Use the power of google search to find juicy tidbits in other's google talk conversations!
... with all the other IM servies I have to sign in on at once to be in contact with everyone. MSN, AIM, misc jabber servers... and on and on. I wonder what google thinks they're going to add to chat services?
So? The client isn't available...all this means is that you can get on GAIM with with your gmail account now and lock yourself into the google network.
r u google? omfg! lol
What's the point anyway? There are already dozens of jabber servers available that are potentially more extensible.
So is August 24th going to be the new April 1st of Google? All the on again off again rumors make it feel like an April Fool's Day joke and how Google typically handles that day.
and get disconnected + loose your buddy list...
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
I think google if they linked in extra services (search results over IM? Its been done by bot before). Plus cant you connect to aim via jabber on some servers?
I'd like to see what google comes out with as a client, and what "features" they'll offer. Getting an IM notice of newly arrived email would be cool (Yes there is the desktop thinger, but IM's would be cooler)
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-- For iChat, just enter the information above.
1. Add an account, select "Jabber" as the protocol.
2. Your screen name is everything before the '@gmail.com'.
3. Server is 'talk.google.com' as listed above.
4. Click "show more options" and make sure "use TLS if available" is checked. Leave "Force old SSL" and "allow plaintext..." unchecked for now. Connection port should be 5222, connection server should be blank... if not just 'talk.google.com' without the quotes.
5. Ta-da! Just login and you should be good-to-go.
All the trouble and... no one's online. Anyone wanna break it down why I should use this thing?
Can someone provide a linky to the google page which allows you to do google talk instead of the weak server'd site listed?
AOL - yes, but not with AIM but with ICQ.
GAIM won't let me on, using me@gmail.com as a username, it seems to be trying to resolve me@gmail.com@talk.google.com and fecking it up. anyone have ideas?
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Google Talk is great, but what I REALLY need is 'Google ShutUp' to make the irritating people I know go away while providing them with targetted, text-based ads.
It works.
*Stupid comment begins*
Someone IM me.
*Stupid comment ends*
There's another nice jabber client for windows available here http://www.miranda-im.org/.
It supports AIM, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, MSN and maybe some others.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
Karma: Bad. Calmer, good.
Will they release an office suite?
Will they release a browser?
Will they release a line of refrigerators?
Will they purchase Oracle?
Will they purchase Uruguay?
Will they hire Stallman?
Will they hire Ballmer?
Will they hire Peter Griffin?
I sure as hell don't know, but I'm sure I'll hear about it constantly on GashDot. Um... I mean Slashoogle. Er, that is... Slooshdot. Eh, fuck it.
I'm very happy that this indicates they may be using the Jabber protocol for IM. I've been using it for my friends and family (I run my own Jabber server behind an OpenVPN network) for quite some time now and it's a much nicer protocl than any of the other ones out there. The main reason being that it's free/open. Plus, I don't need to change my chosen clients to talk to the rest of the world now since anyone who matters (to me) has a GMail account. Here's to Google making a wise choice yet again! :)
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
I wonder if they will add Google-style spellchecking... omfg lol rofl - Did you mean "I'm a sad script kiddy?"
My other sig is crap too
Ok, so their server works. That's the part that most of us don't care about. What sort of client will GIM be using? Isn't that what makes it or breaks it for most of us?
It's going to be great to be able to leverage Google search stuff into IM conversations. I know, we already have logs and Google Desktop, but the same could have been said about email prior to Gmail. I know I make use of Gmail's powerful search on at least a weekly basis. After your messages reach the thousands, it makes things so much easier, and I'm sure most people IM more than they email.
'Every story, if continued long enough, ends in death.' --Ernest Hemingway
The reasoning behind google sponsoring so many people to work on GAIM for summer of code? Maybe they will release a gaim based client?
(Thirty-odd comments and the site is little slow. Just in case...)
:)
I'm on Google Talk right now.
Google Talk = Google's new IM service that they're announcing tomorrow.
All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or GAIM), and a GMail address. Digg this, NOW!
WELCOME SLASHDOT!
Server: talk.google.com
Username: youremail@gmail.com **OR** youremail@talk.google.com (pick one)
Password: yourpassword
Note: If you can't login, try to turn off 'Secure Messaging' or 'Encryption'... etc.
-- TRILLIAN USERS: Someone just told me that they got it working with Trillian, but I can't verify this. Just go to Trillian's plugin page on their site and download the Jabber plug-in, install it, and configure a new connection as below:
"server : talk.google.com
port : 5222
Use legact SSL for connection : not checked"
How to set it up with GAIM on Windows/Linux, or Adium on the Mac:
-- For iChat, just enter the information above.
1. Add an account, select "Jabber" as the protocol.
2. Your screen name is everything before the '@gmail.com'.
3. Server is 'talk.google.com' as listed above.
4. Click "show more options" and make sure "use TLS if available" is checked. Leave "Force old SSL" and "allow plaintext..." unchecked for now. Connection port should be 5222, connection server should be blank... if not just 'talk.google.com' without the quotes.
5. Ta-da! Just login and you should be good-to-go.
Another user reports the following:
"weird, I've never sent you email from my gmail, and now that you're on my buddy list on google talk, it autofilled your email address, and alias on my gmail"
-- The "/me" command works too, even on iChat. "/me says hi" translates to "smash says hi" or whatever if you're not familiar!
Feel free to IM around with fellow GMail users just by adding their addresses to your list! I'm not sure how long this is going to work, but let's make the best of it.
UPDATE: I'm online right now, give me a hollar if you're able to login! I'm talking with someone I added to my list.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
I just logged in using my account information and noticed that it's not letting me connect to other Jabber servers/services. Perhaps they're not planning on supporting server-to-server and allowing their Jabber server to talk to others? Hopefully that won't be the case.
Also, does anyone have any idea which Jabber server they're using? Did they roll their own or are they using an already available one?
I mean, yeah you can use a client to connect to google, but you can connect to any jabber server with Gaim or whatever, right? I think the cool stuff starts if/when google releases their own client.
how poeple could know about talk.google.com and that jabber server running up?
"Steve Jobs invented the world" -- Bill W. GATES
Now I have yet another account with no buddies in Gaim.
I was able to setup a jabber client and log in successfully, however when I try to add contacts they never get any subscription request. And if i try it the other way around (try to add my gmail JabberID to my other jabber accounts) the request never gets to my gmail account.
Is this intentional? Is Google trying to create yet another closed network? Or have they simply not enabled server-to-server functionality yet?
-Sarkoon
How about the /. editors collecting up all of the stories about google into one posting a day? It's not that I'm completely uninterested in the subject. But multiple free ads for google every day is kinda annoying. But then, of course, the editors would have to actually edit.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
Google sets up web-server, supports HTTP 1.0!
Once again Google really comes thru and shows all these evil monopolies that following standards will give us nerds cleaner beards, less dampened basements and perhaps a girlfriend.
I've been using http://adium.sourceforge.net/ for a while now, it totally rocks.
This is all fine and dandy but some of us can't even get to our e-mail. For the last few days all I get is " Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We are sorry for the inconvenience." whenever I try to log in. Rather than mess around with new things why not fix the damn problems with the current ones?
I like muppets.
I'm logged on right now using
server: talk.google.com
username: google/gmail username
password: duh!
I think all of us geeks are extremely happy google is using this protocol. Yay google!
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So they aren't supporting TLS? :(
Does not appear to be working with my account via Fire on OS X. It's asking me if I want to create the user...yet I have a gmail account.
Despite attempts at breaking into the instant messenging market, I believe AOL still rules the market, atleast here in the US. Yahoo, MSN, etc. didn't really decrease the market share of AIM. I doubt this Google IM thing will be any different.
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
And which architecture was designed with the ability and the intention to bridge to those existing services?
Right - only Jabber.
Microsoft gets a bit of its own poison - embraced and extended by an open standard.
just use your gmail login and dont forget to use SSL
bite my glorious golden ass.
Am I the only only one starting to fear Google?
I know it's childish of me but if bill gates were handing out a thousand dollars and 50 golden fish rings to anybody with a golden fish ring and the only way to get the golden fish ring was to beg one off of somebody who had 50 of them and had gotten theirs in the same way, then I'd say, "Stick the thousand in your fish ring!". I've been offered a zillion GMail accounts and I just can't stomach the way they are being dolled out.
Oops, I just realised that "legact" == "legacy". Never mind. :)
I'm connected via GAIM, but unable to add any buddies, or get anyone to be able to add me...
Anyone else experience similiar problems?
nuff said
Does anyone know if Hello will work with Google Talk? I don't feel like having to run Hello and Google Talk. However, if they do both work together, what would be the point of Google having both Hello and Google Talk?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
looks like it allows connections from tor servers. I love routing my IM's over tor to stop prying eyes. ;-)
Why is this better than anything else?
In fact, AIM only owns the market in the USA. Everywhere else in the world uses MSN.
DOH. Needed to check SSL. It's using port 5223, and now it's working. It doesn't care if I use a domain name in my username or not.
Personally i take all of this Google "thing" (*paranoid*) with some doubts, the concentration of information (a LOT of personal data) never will be good.
I use Jabber(i use it from centericq, imcom, Gaim, kopete, among others) for a long time ago, and i REALLY try to all my friends start using it, but they still use the (lack of "geek" features and stability) MSN Messenger. I really wait the Google IM program, becouse jabber exist for some time ago, and IMHO doesnt have ANY reason to use the Google servers. The good thing of this news is that maybe with the Google IM all my friends (and everybody) start using a FREE IM protocol (i say that for Jabber)
Rock and Roll
Can I possibly be the only one wondering if Google saw all the people chasing their own tails about a google messenger, and tossed a jabber server online just to mess with your heads?
Or could it possibly just be the jabber server that google itself uses internally?
Let me introduce you to "Grip", and suggest that it's a fine product that you all should get.
So far as I know, the only iChat client which will work with Google Talk is iChat for Tiger. If you don't have Tiger, you're out of luck -- time to get another program.
Interestingly, works perfectly in gaim.
someone IM me
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that is one sweet email address, man.
there's more than one way to do me.
some news agencies are quoting a AP press report:
http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3757295
I just set it up, then emailed someone from my gmail account (also to a gmail account), and it added them to my buddy list.
Interesting stuff.
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I've been trying to get it on Trillian Pro.
I use me@gmail.com for the username, but for the connection, I use talk.google.com.
It gets in, authenticates, and then disconnects with a series of "iq errors" (any idea what they are?):
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:04:55] *** Creating connection "myusername@gmail.com/"
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:04:56] *** Server supports TLS encryption...
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:04:56] *** Negotiating XMPP SSL connection...
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:04:57] *** Connection established using EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (TLSv1/SSLv3)
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:05] *** Attempting to authenticate using PLAIN
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:06] *** Authenticated.
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:15] *** You have successfully connected to Jabber.
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:15] *** ERROR: iq error 501
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:15] *** Retrieved user roster from server.
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:16] *** ERROR: iq error 501
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:16] *** ERROR: iq error 503 from gmail.com
[Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 17:05:16] *** ERROR: iq error 503 from gmail.com
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Is there anyway to get a list of conference rooms on Google Talk?
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google_im
(google messenger google group)
Add an AIM/Yahoo/MSN gateway to their Jabber server so we don't have to have 4 different IM connections. Then people could easily transition without having to use a multiservice IM client like Miranda or GAIM.
How we know is more important than what we know.
from the site: Gajim is a Jabber client written in PyGTK. The goal of Gajim's developers is to provide a full featured and easy to use xmpp client for the GTK+ users. Gajim does not require GNOME to run, eventhough it exists with it nicely. Gajim is released under the GNU General Public License for windows, & lots of linux distros including an auto-package ...package.
"Persistence is annoying success." - ghee22 11:28:1999 - 10:53:PM
I've been using Google Talk for a little while with my Gmail account and iChat. One interesting thing I noticed is every time you send an e-mail in Gmail, that person is automatically added to your buddy list as "Not Authorized" (where users I add are "Waiting for Authorization", at least until I talk to them). This is kind of annoying, since there are lots of people I contact using Gmail that I know will never get Jabber (for example, a mailing list e-mail address).
Other than that, it seems really neat. Oh, also, icons and offline IM don't appear to work. If someone knows how to get those to work, I'd be interested to hear it.
Andrew
PS: You can jabber me at adpowers@gmail.com
Okay, I'm on, but not. (Gaim forces me to add a 'resource' field, which is by default 'Gaim', might have something to do with my problem.)
It appears to connect, but I don't show up on my own buddylist and I can't send any messages. I don't see any of y'all. But it claims it's online.
Anyone got more info?
server: talk.google.com
using the name from my gmail account (rmunroe).
Any message I send gives me "Message delivery to [whoever] failed: (Code 404)"
xkcd.com - a webcomic of mathematics, love, and language.
I haven't been able to log onto Google Talk with anything besides Gaim, which doesn't appear to list any Jabber transports available on the server.
For the uninitiated: transports are servers that talk with the Jabber server to bridge protocols with other services (AIM, MSN, etc).
I suspect there are none, because I don't think Google would want to attack AOL or Microsoft so directly. I'm sure that would end in a lawsuit. Though I'd believe it if there were a transport for Yahoo up there.
where'd my typewriter go?
Google Talk ... and all that dark fibre Goggle has been buying up? This isn't just about instant messenger - Google is building the next voice communications network! With their new WiFi hotspots - it could be wireless voice communications (at least if you're in a major center).
Bee-bee-boo-boop "Picard to all phone companies: You are being replaced."
- The Kessel run is for nerf herders. I can circumnavigate the entire Central Finite Curve in a lot less than 12 parse
I normally don't do this, but parent has a good point.
Port 5223 seems to work with SSL when port 5222 doesn't work. (On iChat, right now, SSL + port 5223.)
"Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
After some configing, I got it to work in trillian.
Go to the preferences menu, click on plugins, and make sure the jabber plugin is enabled. If you don't have the jabber plugin, you'll have to download it from cerulean studio's website (I'll let someone else karma whore for posting it). Then, click on the purple dot that has just appeared right next to the yellow, green, blue, etc., dots.
Click "add a new connection", then use your gmail account @ talk.google.com. Click connect. There ya go.
I'm doing it right now!
Hmm...I wonder how long talk.google.com will take before there's an actual site there. For that matter, I wonder how long it's been up.
The Slashdot effect meets Instant Messaging!
Get your Unix fortune now!
Anyone get Kopete to work with this thing?
No luck here. I've tried different combos of un/encryption settings and different permutations of usernames.
Looks like Google is getting abit mad that we ruined the big surprise and has starting disconnecting people now. Why would they do this after the secret has already been leaked? Is there some bigger feature in there that Google does not want us to discover?
I was connected to it, just got disconnected, timed out a reconnect, tried again, and got 403: Forbidden. Have they just locked down because of the pre-announcement?
Wait till tomorrow for it to really launch, I guess.
I've got it working via Trillian Pro, and posted the details here: here. Works great, but nothing to get excited about. Right now it looks and acts like a standard Jabber server. I'm more interested to see if they'll include connectors for the other IM networks (I suspect they will) and what the Google Talk client looks like. With multi-network support, a no-nonsense UI (while most IM programs are nonsense-full), and voice chat (or better yet, VoIP) support -- Google Talk will rock.
What does that tag cloud look like? http://www.jeffhester.net/
Who wants to bet that google just set up a jabber server to mess with all of our minds?
I'd say stick with Adium for now.
I understand that (a) Jabber is XML and open protocol and all that, and (b) anyone can install a Jabber server, and (c) Jabber provides secure connections to said server, in Google's case by default.
Granted all this. But speaking as someone who's just running a client, why should I care? Aside from the secure connection, will chatting on Jabber be much different for me than chatting on Yahoo or AOL or ICQ?
With GMail, there's a web-based client which has a lot of whiz-bang features that clearly distinguish it from AOL Webmail or Yahoo Mail. But I need a chat client to connect anyway, and it's the client's features that impress me, not the protocol.
Hmm, perhaps I just answered my own question.
I hate sitting here and hoping beyond hope that Google isn't evil.
Did we trust them just because of their colorful, friendly-looking logo?
Are we making a terrible mistake?
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Maybe that's their new calendaring app. I wish they'd integrate one into gmail already!!!
They just pulled the plug.
No one able to reconnect.
Myself and a buddy of mine just got kicked off. Think they found out and shut it down? Any others having the problem?
Well it worked for about 15mins for me... I'm not getting a not allowed message. nice post btw.
I am really impressed with Google lately. Building it on the Jabber framework was pure genius. The service a bit finicky at the moment; haven't gotten the Trillian solution to maintain a connection, but and behold Gaim is working beautifully. IM'd 3 individuals, no AIM-esque lag. It rox0rs! Now, onwards to find a BlackBerry Jabber client!
I was logged on with Gaim to talk.google.com....
When suddenly it threw me off with a "Read Error"...
Now it gives me a HTTP 405 (Not Allowed) error when I try to reconnect...
We could use a group search feature. If we all are talking via IM why not let one person search and have everyone access the results?
I logged in earlier, but now I'm blocked.
problem solved.
Another thing some people might have noticed is that reverse DNS for talk.google.com is toolbar.google.com. Now have a look at JEP0151.
No GNU has been Hurd during the making of this comment.
When you add a contact, it appears automagically in your gmail contact list.
For those people using Psi:
You will get SSL cert warnings, but you can get rid of them via the "Ignore SSL warnings" checkbox (but do so at your own risk!).
Ideal for me would be for Google to roll out an AJAX client for talk.
I nearly set this up myself once so i could log in with jabber from wherever i was and have access to all accounts. Ultimately, i decided ssh+screen worked for me better
I will be really surprised if this is not what google plans to do: single single sign-on for all messaging services
once you go slack, you never go back
You can still log in to the server! You just need to fudge it a little.
:cool:
In Gaim's "Server" field put in gmail.com.
But, in the "Connect server" field put in talk.google.com.
Now, connect
This works for me, now anyway. We'll see how long it lasts...
... a loose buddy list! That's probably one of the features google IM will have! To tell the truth I'm already getting tired of the tense contact list I have now.
jk, jk...
The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
From http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/tenthings. html
Google does search. Google does not do horoscopes, financial advice or chat.
(Guess they better remember to update that page when they make the announcement...)
And the real burning question - When can I get my Googlescope???
Did I say overlords? I meant protectors.
Review and download ?
Here are the exact settings that are working for me as of this current timestamp:
Gaim: 1.5
Protocol: SILC
Screen Name: [Google Account username]
Network: talk.google.com/Gaim
Password: [Google Account password]
Alias: [Blank]
For "Show More Options", use the defaults.
Good luck!
feel free to mod parent up
You meant loose as in tension, not loose as in randy. =/ Back to ICQ...
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/08/23/googe-talk -review/
I guess I will finally need an invitation to gmail.. anyone?
ekdikeo5@yahoo.com
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
whore.
...The drones are chanting away, then suddenly "All yur conversations are belo... wha?, er... Oh Shit! Google's moving in!"
There aren't any SRV records for gmail.com (yet), so those excited about a "global mesh" of IM have some time to wait.
There is no clear way for other XMPP servers to talk to Google right now.
Here's how you can connect to all 5 IM protocols with Apple's iChat.
u gh-jabber
:-)
http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-thro
It works flawlessly and yes, it uses Jabber
Animoog.org
Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
Seems like they did it to themselves.
Hmmmm, as of this point it doesn't appear that you can have contacts on other jabber servers.
The whole point of jabber is that servers are distributed, the server name is part of the JID (Jabber ID) which means that JID's look a lot like email addresses.
I hope the inability to have contacts with non @gmail.com JID's is merely a pre-launch wrinkle.
Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer
Is there any word on having a web-based interface? There are times when I can't install software, but would still like to have IM (for example, in Internet Cafes, or at school). Still, even without, it sounds very cool.
These services can only be bridged for as long as their owners want them to be bridged. If Google taps into MSN IM, you can bet your ass they'll be shut off the next day.
Anyone else getting a "405: Not Allowed under Gaim?
But I've been using Gaim with Jabber for a while now, and I don't really see how you could make the Jabber portion work any better. It's feature complete.
Better to improve the rest of the client.
...I'm on.
-- I can't connect!
- I'm on with iChat
-- Gaim works
- iChat Doesn't work
-- Wait, wait, noooo
- Ok I'm on
-- I can ping it
- Google is on to me!!! HA HA Woooo
-- Ok I'm on now...can you see me?
- No
-- Trillian wont work because it sucks
- Ok now can you see me?
-- They are on to me! Woo WOO GOogle!
- Hey...they clearly have IM, should we just wait?
-- Google! You are on to me!
-- A cat is no trade for integrity!
Apparently a Google Talk client already exists:
k -review/.
The folks over at Download Squad have a copy. Read the review: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/08/23/googe-tal
Now I'm just hoping we all get a copy damn soon.
I've got mine setup in gaim as:
Screen Name: ashlux
Server: gmail.com
TLS: checked
Port: 5222
Connect Server: talk.google.com
And it works just fine.
I posted instructions on using Trillian with GoogleIM on my site.
-nick
Informative, good overview of some features and what not.
Just like Gmail, Google could display contextual ads in your conversations (or perhaps only with their client off to the side) while you chat...
Blah.
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
You only need one Jabber ID to talk to every internet-connected Jabber server out there. You only need to register your logins on the other IM systems and you've just obsoleted the need for Trillian, Gaim, Kopete and all the other half-assed attempts at IM unification. You're thinking this is added complexity, when it's actually complexity removed.
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NM, should've read further. -NT-
There were 2 posts on /. and 3 sites on the front page of digg. Several thousand blogs are talking about it and it is dragging on for hours and building anticipation. It has been a very interesting buzz build up. Was it on purpose ?
The Guardian has a blurbish article including a quote from a Google exec on the new service. The article mentions that Talk isn't just IM; it also includes Internet telephony.
Where does Cerulean get off thinking that SSL is somehow "legacy?" Wait, never mind, we're talking about a company that thought a client that speaks a dozen protocols to do the same thing is somehow better than an IM service that can bridge the protocols...
Help us build a better map!
I use SIM (Simple Instant Message), it was the closest to Miranda-IM I found for Linux. :/
Anyone out there has manage to connect to Google talk using this client? I haven't found the right config yet..
The user name is mynick@gmail.com or just mynick?
The Jabber server is talk.google.com or gmail.com?
Do I check the 'Register new account' checkbox or not?
SSL or not?
So it's not a Jabber client, then? Jabber clients don't fuck around with a bajillion different protocols, that's the server's job to sort out. Psi, however, is a real jabber client that makes it easy to use the transports to the obsolete IM systems still kicking around for some god-forsaken reason.
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We've Slashdotted Google!!!
Yay!
Anybody else notice that gtalk is registered to Hasbro already :(
Jabber's use of a dedicated SSL port is legacy and deprecated behavior, in favor of using STARTTLS to negotiate SSL on the normal port.
That's how they "get off".
Just out of curiosity what is the point of Google doing this if they are just going to use Jabber? Why would i switch from my iChat or Jabber name to my gmail one? And what does this have to do with search again? Unless they made an IM client that could search for other buddies better then the current ones out there....
My wife's company prohibits them from installing IM client software so, naturally, everyone uses a web-based client (AIM Express or MSN's web-based client). Does anyone know of a web-based Jabber client? Hopefully one that doesn't suck? I don't use the web-based AIM or MSN clients, but from hearing my wife gripe about them they sound less than desireable.
I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.
I really don't get it - it's just another Jabber server that happens to be run by Google.
I think its weird that Trillian only works with the Jabber plugin if you use the "pro" (i.e. PAID-FOR) edition.
I don't fault the developer, but you have to admit that its a *weird* restriction.
Maybe I'll try Miranda.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
- close miranda
- go to plugins folder and make a copy of the jabber.dll to gtalk.dll
- start miranda
- username: gmail username without the @gmail.com
- password: gmail password
- Login Server: gmail.com
- Use SSL checked
- Manually specify connection host checked
- Host: talk.google.com
- Port: 5223
This works as of this posting.
I forgot to mention to get these dll's and put them into the Miranda folder (not the plugins subdirectory):
http://jabber.au.edu/miranda/openssl097d_dll.zip
Here is a forum I've setup for getting help with Google Talk:
http://www.gtalkhelp.com/
Bradley Holt
(cheaply riding on the top post)
I just recieved the following message, logged into talk.google, from gmail.com
11:12 PM 8/23/05
The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
[23:12] gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
:)
WAY CREEPY, but i guess ends speculation that they're mad about the leak
Here it is! http://www.google.com/talk/
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
(23:14:08) gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
:cooleocanth:
You're welcome, Google!
Hey Everyone,
Just got an IM on Google Talk saying "The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!"
Google Talk has gone live, officially.
gmail.com
:-)
Jabber
04:14:23
The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
(thats 4am BST)
What broken link ? hmm ?
The Google Talk client is now available at http://www.google.com/talk/. Unfortunately, it's Windows-only.
Just got a message from "gmail" "(22:15:48) gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users! "
Just got this:
(00:15:51) gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
(23:15:58) gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
heh this is cool, though a little empty
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The war on terror is a war for peace
http://talk.google.com/ :)
http://www.google.com/talk/
"The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users! "
Also, on my mac at least, users that mail.app pulls in from both Gmail AND Yahoo automatically adds them to my jabber list for gmail. It might be other services, too, but that's what I see so far. Eeeenteresting...
Just click this link to download the software
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
i got a message from 'gmail.com' and it said:
"The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!"
So i looked at the site and sure enough there it was.
go check it out. looks like a normal IM client.
now the part where i got a IM from 'gmail.com' makes me wonder if they'll throw up contextual ads in a different window as you chat with people.
http://www.google.com/talk/index.html is up and running!
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[22:17] gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
Just received that broadcast message.
Just got a message: gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users! The link http://talk.google.com/ now works
Message from Google:
"gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks
for being our first users!"
http://talk.google.com/ is now working and the program is ready for download!
If your using Linux, BSD or OSX, etc... Just get an IM client that works with the Jabber network.
Cheers!
Download it now (for windows):
http://www.google.com/talk/
Yes, there is voice chat!
i'm the jedidiahmarkfoster your parents warned you about
here you go http://www.google.com/talk/
Why not just use Google's IM software
http://www.google.com/talk/
http://www.google.com/talk/
The official client is available for download at http://www.google.com/talk/
go to talk.google.com....download "google talk"!!!! hellz yea!
The site went live a few minutes ago, and Google sent an IM to those already on saying the broken link is fixed and the site is live.
talk.google.com is now up (although the links are still a little screwy).
Unfortunately, only the Google Windoze client supports "Voice calls to other Google Talk users."
I just got an instant message over gaim from gmail.com saying: "The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!" I went to talk.google.com and it was up. You can download the client (windows only) now. It also has instructions for using it with linux and mac using other clients like gaim. It looks like only windows users will be able to use VOIP because it needs the google talk client. I've only recently started using linux and I'm already getting mad at google for their windows first policy. I guess that's what pays the bills. I don't know why I got excited about this and when I think about it, I don't know why the media will go all crazy about it tomorrow. IM and VOIP clients have been around for ages and many of them exist in great OSS forms. Technologically there is nothing new here.
Of course, now I have nobody to talk to. So if you're on, try my alias "themeparkphoto"
Best Buy can have you arrested
You don't need to ask someone for an invite anymore...
https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1
the google talk client is now available online
there is a client that can be downloaded at: http://www.google.com/talk/. Pretty basic UI as far as I can tell..
http://www.google.com/talk/start.html
900 KB download.
now all I need is people who can stand to talk to me!
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Why didn't Google just *buy* Jabber?
Or write it themselves?
The piece of this that I find very interesting is that Google doesn't usually use "someone else's" technology like this without acquiring them first.
Does anyone know much about Jabber? Is it just a client that bridges multiple formats?
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I've just downloaded the client - talk.google.com is now live!
For those of us stuck behind restrictive firewalls, I'm glad to report that you can change the port to 80 and manage to connect still. Awesome job Google!
My name fits again.
And so, Google continues down the Portal Path trodden earlier by AltaVista, making the same mistakes -- ignoring their (whithering) core business, putting their best valuation spin on everything they do, blowing their cash on bad acquisitions. Heck, they've even hired Louis Monier! But, they run on Linux, so they must be okay, right?
Jabber is an open protocol and XML-based.
Read some more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber
Go on, do a lil whois on gbrowser.com. ;)
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
At 23:13:56 EST, I received the following message over Google Talk from the JabberID, gmail.com: "The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!"
Laziness is a virtue, anyone who bothers to tell you otherwise, is clearly lacking it.
From my Gaim Client...
(19:14:51) gmail.com: The broken link has been fixed. Thanks for being our first users!
I can't add jabber addresses of contacts on other jabber servers. it seems that gmail blocks messages from other servers too. That kinda sucks.
Well if you were using the now released Google Talk client you would click 'hide contacts not on my friends list'.
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The Google Talk developer's page gives a good overview of Google's short-term plans for GTalk, such as partnering with Earthlink and Sipphone (or federating as they call it)
"It's like the Federation of Planets on your Star Trek program."
"Ohhhhhh"
What the heck is up with Google not allowing SSL connections? I'm not to fond of logging into their Jabber server by sending my Gmail password in the clear.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
EXCELLENT...
Anyone wanna bet Google will implement its own *better* version of AOL's SmarterChild?
Even better...
When will this guy start in on Google's version?
I wish I were old enough to put "Computer" on my resume.
Well then, I clicked on the video icon in my iGoogleChat buddy list to start a video chat with my friend, and it worked just fine. User experience and video qualkity were the same as "native iChat". Not sure who's "fault" this is -- iChat for managing to send video presence info through Jabber, or Jabber for supporting video presence. Whoever is responsible though: well done.
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Does that mean that skype is dead? http://www.skype.com/ Lars
The Google Talk website is now online: http://www.google.com/talk/.
I was able to get in with iChat v3.0, but I had to tell it to use port 5223 and connect via SSL. Otherwise, I've connected without any issues -- now I just need some buddies to chat with :).
Yaz.
http://www.google.com/talk/index.html Pretty cool program, I like the easy status setting field.
Or better yet...I could use it to get the jump on Microsoft. Like in H2G2, where they sent the breakfast cereal information(was it?) back in time, copyrighted it, and then proceeded to sue the original writer out of existence.
Hey, at least, they don't use a proprietary protocol to talk to us :P
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
Ha! Begging for Gmail invites! That's so 2004.
Are any other GAIM/Linux users getting a "Server does not use any supported authentication method" error?
My account settings are per google's GAIM section (including TLS if possible). Any suggestions?
I found this link on winbeta so go go go http://desktop.google.com/download/googletalk/goog letalk-setup.exe
In the Google Talk client, in the icon tray, select About. Notice on the bottom light grey characters on the which background. They read: "play 23 21 13 16 21 19 7 1 13 5" Using a=1, z=26, it translates to: "play wumpus game" Not sure what to do with it, just thought it was interesting that it was there. Investigating...
The instructions on the SMSH site were incorrect, as were most others. Strangely, the instructions over at http://talk.google.com/ were spot on (imagine that). You do NOT include @gmail.com in your login name. You DO use a "connection server" which is talk.google.com. The "server" is gmail.com, not talk.google.com. Anyway, head on over to Google to get the skinny straight from the horses mouth. Find details here: GAIM support at Google.
Just like the Apple kool-aid drinkers will always correct someone who calls an Apple a "MAC", the Gaim developers always correct people who spell Gaim "GAIM". At least they always used to when I hung out in their IRC channel. It's called Gaim! See the faq: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php
I'll see your buddy-free accounts and raise you a buddy-free server. So that my excessively arrogant and self-centered e-mail address would be matched with an equally cocky IM address, I ran my own Jabber server for several years and had on it just the one account and on that account zero contacts.
You can download it now here.
http://www.google.com/talk/
After a bit more investigating, you can add the gmail user, er bot, wumpus.game@gmail.com and type "play" in the chat window to play the classic wumpus game.
Download is now availible at http://www.google.com/talk/
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from Wikipedia "wumpus": Hunt the Wumpus was an important early computer game. It was based on a simple hide-and-seek format, featuring a mysterious monster (the Wumpus) that lurked deep inside a network of rooms. Using a command line text interface, the player would enter commands to move through the rooms, or shoot arrows along crooked paths through several adjoining rooms. There were twenty rooms, each connecting to three others, arranged like the vertices of a dodecahedron (or the faces of an icosahedron). Hazards included bottomless pits, super bats (which would drop the player in a random location) and the Wumpus itself. When the player had deduced from hints which chamber the Wumpus was in without entering it, he would fire an arrow into the Wumpus' chamber to slay it. However, firing the arrow into the wrong chamber would startle the Wumpus, which might then devour the player. [...] Versions of Hunt the Wumpus are currently available all over the Internet, for almost all operating systems and machines, including Linux, Palm Pilot handheld computers, and mobile phones. The first bot on IRC was a multiplayer Hunt the Wumpus game, in which firing an arrow into a room with other players caused another player to be killed: "Foo is hit in the back with an arrow!" Unfortunately, the "Wumpus-o-Matic" player never made it off the drawing board. See also Rog-O-Matic. Wumpus have also made an appearance in the TCG Magic: The Gathering, specifically in the 1999 Mercadian Masques expansion. They appear mainly in the art for green cards in the set, though two are playable creatures: the appropriately named Hunted Wumpus, and also Thrashing Wumpus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wumpus
Visit talk.google.com now .. there is a website with a downloadable client now available for download. I'm using it now.
Has anyone else seen this before? Give Google your mobile phone number and they'll text you an invite code for Gmail/Google Talk.
a nswer=24746&topic=1186
Found the reference here: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?
Which takes you here: https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1
It go on to say:
* Full-disclosure update: When we first wrote these "10 things" four years ago, we included the phrase "Google does not do horoscopes, financial advice or chat." Over time we've expanded our view of the range of services we can offer -- web search, for instance, isn't the only way for people to access or use information -- and products that then seemed unlikely are now key aspects of our portfolio. This doesn't mean we've changed our core mission; just that the farther we travel toward achieving it, the more those blurry objects on the horizon come into sharper focus (to be replaced, of course, by more blurry objects).
Not to be a tinfoil hat type, but the privacy policy says they are monitoring and reporting usage data. -- Log information. When you use Google Talk, we may record information about your usage of Google Talk, such as when you use Google Talk, the size of your contact list and the contacts you communicate with, and the frequency and size of data transfers. Information displayed or clicked on in the Google Talk interface (including UI elements, settings, and other information) is also recorded. We use this information internally to deliver the best possible service to you, such as improving the Google Talk user interface and maintaining a consistent and reliable user experience. We delete all personally identifiable information from our logs after a period of time reasonably necessary to do so. We do not store any of the content of your text or voice communications in our logs.
I turned on the "Display new mail notifications" option in my Google Talk account preferences in Adium, and tried e-mailing that account, but no notification was forthcoming. Has anyone else tried this in Adium or another client? Or does it only work with MSN/Hotmail? It would be handy to be able to lose GmailStatus/Gmail Notifier and let the IM client handle that--if Gmail is going to be that integrated.
I read Slashdot for the articles.
BusinessWeek has the story
g 2005/tc20050824_9823_tc119.htm
...
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/au
Available as a software download, the service could turn the long-divided IM market on its ear by creating the potential for interoperability not only with offerings from established players, including Time Warner's (TWX ) America Online, Microsoft's (MSFT ) MSN, and Yahoo! (YHOO ), but also with lesser-known services such as Trillian, Apple Computer's (AAPL ) iChat, and GAIM, an IM client for Linux users.
Georges Harik, Google's director of product management, says the company has opened communications with AOL and Yahoo, offering them interoperability on the Google Talk network free, and it will soon contact Microsoft. It remains to be seen whether these big players, especially AOL, which runs both its AOL Instant Messenger service and the globally popular ICQ service, will take Google up on its offer.
SIP SUPPORT. With the launch of its IM software, Google also plans to become an important force in the growing market for Internet-based voice calls. Harik says Google is looking seriously at adding technical support for SIP, or session initiation protocol, an industry standard used to make phone calls over the Internet. When it adds the support, its network would become compatible with such Net-telephony services as Vonage, SIPphone, and others that use SIP.
This is what happened to the guy who spread the news early on:o tostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smash/36648272/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smash/36659424/in/ph
Simpy
I love gmail. In fact, most of my friends are on gmail, and it's an understatement to say that it's changed the way we communicate. Emails used to be long, now - thanks to the conversation thread view - we don't feel bad writing one liners that would have otherwise clogged up email boxes. Mailing from one gmail account to another is almost as fast as instant message, and many of our conversations look like group chats.
So three of us decided to mess around with Google Talk. It was lame, and just made us wonder why we weren't gmailing. The VOIP seemed solid enough, but since we all have cellphones with unlimited long distance VOIP seems kind of pointless. These weren't conversations we could archive and search later, and it was only between two people at a time - unlike some of our 20+ person threads.
If there was somehow more integration with gmail this would have been really cool. If Google Talk could somehow have "transcribed" the entire conversation as a gmail, _and_ allowed more than two people in a conversation, we would have used Google Talk for more than 3 minutes. As it stands, it's just another medicore instant message program. Yipee.
I'm using Google Sidebar, and I just can't fathom why all these products aren't interoperable. Why can't Google Sidebar just tell me how many new gmails I have, with a simple number? Why can't Google Talk save my conversations as gmails? Maybe that's the grand plan, whenever Google Beta finally de-beta-izes; but for now it seems like Google is sprawling in so many directions one side doesn't know what the other is doing.
The client is awful, and Google is now officially going to have access to 90% of the communication I have online, but I can't help but think how awesome this is.
Jabber... an open standard... for IM clients...
No more OSCAR, Yahoo, or MSN. No more need to reverse engineer protocols that IM providers break whenever they're feeling saucy. You can connect with any damn client you want, from any OS you want, and talk to other people no matter what they're using.
I realize Jabber has offered this for a long time, and in my more zealous moments I have advocated people switching. But, in one fell swoop, by putting out a simple client (and it is simple; overly simple for someone like me -- JUST RIGHT for my parents!) that speaks an open protocol, and putting what is bar none the hottest name in tech behind it, they've just done what 10 years of my patient evangelizing could have never done.
How long until this is a serious market share competitor with AIM and MSN? Months? A year? It will happen, and sooner than we all think. How long until it's the only name you need to know for IM? Not much longer.
They might be reading all of my email, IMs, and studying every one of my web searches. Hell, they might be printing out hardcopies of these things, lighting them on fire, and taking a big dump on them. Right now they are my heroes.
Gspot's motto: "Reach out and Goose{TM) someone."
rumor has it - invite wumpus.game@gmail.com, then IM it 'play'
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That user's offline right now. Slashdotted?
Yeah, it's a nice little game. It lacks the long text discriptions of the bsdgames version, no mention of falling to the center of the earth to see if you stop there.
SAILING MISHAP
Well, somebody has gone off and created a YTMND of Google Talk.
http://googletalk.ytmnd.com/
Personally, I love the program alot.
wondering if this is starting right now, same as google talk. first i've heard of an alternate way to get a gmail account- no bumming an invite from a friend. (although at this point everyone basically has one or isn't interested in one. still an interesting change.)
Wort Wort Wort!
"Griffin in finance or the mythical creature?"
"Whichever is harder."
Jabber is, by design, a standard.
;-)
AIM, MSN, Yahoo, etc. . . IM protocols are designed for for official clients only, and are proprietary. They can, and do, randomly change the protocol, and break compatibility with older versions.
Jabber, by design, is an open standard. No reverse engineering required. Feel free to write a client, or a server, or a piece of middleware.
Why should google invent a new one when a perfectly good one exists? They didn't redesign HTML, or SMTP? They just provided a better 'solution.
Google didn't make the first search engine. They made the first *good* search engine.
Google didn't make the first webmail client. They made the first *amazing* webmail client.
Google didn't design the first IM service. It'll remain to be see whether or not theirs will rock, but basing it on jabber is a really, really good first step.
Supporting voice chat (especially if its open, as well, i.e. googletalkichatgaim-vv). That'll make the makers of Skype fairly sad, I think
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Where are the damn mod points when u need them :)
i give u +1 insightful from my magic mod points
Skype does instant messaging. Unless gtalk does provide VoIP integrated with the POTS, there's no way I going to run a second programme.
which is exactly what we are doing now about gtalk.
who's invited whom to gmail.
Unfortunately, Google Talk Beta does not yet even create chat logs, let alone time-stamped chat logs, or even an integrated history search tool. When messaging people, it does not even show when messages were sent.
Among other issues with Google Talk Beta, sending paragraphed messages is a pain (SHIFT+ENTER), since there is no way to remap to be "RETURN" rather than "SEND". Also, there is currently no offline messaging.
Google has totally won me over with every tool they've released, but Google Talk Beta is quite a letdown. Old ICQ is the only IM program I've found with all of these features, and I'll sadly be sticking with that until Google Talk beefs up.
Wow! Tried out the voice chat and it's really awesome. So far it's been very responsive with very minimal packet loss and very low (imperceptible) latency.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
It's simple, if you want to compete with google for engineering talent, pay more money for talent. If you don't have as much money as good, too bad.
Hey fellow engineers, looks like we can raise our prices!
But what if a major event happened and everyone needed to email each other to say everything's okay??? Would Google have enough space to hold all the emails?? I demand to have a federal email corporation that insures that there's enough space in times of emergencies! If Google runs out of space, then the government should give us enough space for 100,000 emails. Otherwise, the people who send emails first will get all the email space and everyone else will be silenced and forced on the streets (to talk to people in person, God forbid!!).
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Anyone know if google plans to support wireless village as a protocol ?
I'd love to see a decent wireless village service out their.
Yamigo sucks big ones.
Anyone know of a free wireless village service ?
Google Talk is also now integrated into Google Sidebar.. Select Add/Remove panels from the sidebar menu and add Google Talk.
Actually, I haven't seen it. But I did read Linus Torvalds' description of how the Linux penguin should look full on herring, and not like a randy penguin. That was my first run-in with the phrase. This may have been before Austin Powers, but I really don't know for sure.
http://www.linux.org/info/penguin.html
wumpus.game: Welcome hagrin@gmail.com/Talk.v64E5DFD1CB
INSTRUCTIONS (Y-N)
Robert: Y
wumpus.game: WELCOME TO 'HUNT THE WUMPUS'
THE WUMPUS LIVES IN A CAVE OF 20 ROOMS. EACH ROOM
HAS 3 TUNNELS LEADING TO OTHER ROOMS. (LOOK AT A
DODECAHEDRON TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS-IF YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT A DODECAHEDRON IS, ASK SOMEONE)
HAZARDS:
BOTTOMLESS PITS - TWO ROOMS HAVE BOTTOMLESS PITS IN THEM
IF YOU GO THERE, YOU FALL INTO THE PIT (& LOSE)
SUPER BATS - TWO OTHER ROOMS HAVE SUPER BATS. IF YOU
GO THERE, A BAT GRABS YOU AND TAKES YOU TO SOME OTHER
ROOM AT RANDOM (WHICH MAY BE TROUBLESOME)
TYPE AN E THEN RETURN
WUMPUS:
THE WUMPUS IS NOT BOTHERED BY HAZARDS (HE HAS SUCKER
FEET AND IS TOO BIG FOR A BAT TO LIFT). USUALLY
HE IS ASLEEP. TWO THINGS WAKE HIM UP: YOU SHOOTING AN
ARROW OR YOU ENTERING HIS ROOM.
IF THE WUMPUS WAKES HE MOVES (P=.75) ONE ROOM
OR STAYS STILL (P=.25). AFTER THAT, IF HE IS WHERE YOU
ARE, HE EATS YOU UP AND YOU LOSE!
YOU:
EACH TURN YOU MAY MOVE OR SHOOT A CROOKED ARROW
MOVING: YOU CAN MOVE ONE ROOM (THRU ONE TUNNEL)
ARROWS: YOU HAVE 5 ARROWS. YOU LOSE WHEN YOU RUN OUT
EACH ARROW CAN GO FROM 1 TO 5 ROOMS. YOU AIM BY TELLING
THE COMPUTER THE ROOM#S YOU WANT THE ARROW TO GO TO.
IF THE ARROW CAN'T GO THAT WAY (IF NO TUNNEL) IT MOVES
AT RANDOM TO THE NEXT ROOM.
IF THE ARROW HITS THE WUMPUS, YOU WIN.
IF THE ARROW HITS YOU, YOU LOSE.
TYPE AN E THEN RETURN
WARNINGS:
WHEN YOU ARE ONE ROOM AWAY FROM A WUMPUS OR HAZARD,
THE COMPUTER SAYS:
WUMPUS: 'I SMELL A WUMPUS'
BAT : 'BATS NEARBY'
PIT : 'I FEEL A DRAFT'
HUNT THE WUMPUS
BATS NEARBY!
I SMELL A WUMPUS
YOU ARE IN ROOM 14
TUNNELS LEAD TO 4 13 15
SHOOT OR MOVE (S-M)
Hagrin.com
1. Google talk is windows only!! Blah! No Linux support even planned! (At least yahoo has a text messenger for un*x.) 2. Yahoo has had a voice messenger since may. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1817029,00.as p
http://messenger.yahoo.com/feat_voice.php
3. Someone had you guys pegged two weeks ago!! http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=159339&cid=133 44524
Formatted (easier to read) instructions can be found here.
Hagrin.com
Heh, I just blogged that, about 7 minutes before your post. Go read it here.
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It's been a while since I looked at jabber (assuming Google talk will integrate with other jabber servers at large), and a quick search turns up little (some mailing list posts from 3 years ago implying there is no voice over jabber). Can anyone give a summary of voice over jabber (or whatever Google is using) and the chances of this working in Linux?
How many days until google posts a working http://tomorrow.google.com/ site?
1: Before tomorrow
2: Before the end of the work week.
3: Before next week
4: Later
5: Never
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
everyone in asia seems to use Yahoo
Mainly because my wife is in another continent, the voice quality is not bad at all...but what i really liked, is that its 900KB.
I mean try downloading msn messenger (16MB), yahoo messenger (8MB)..and this is 900 freaking Kbs.
Very nice, for a beta at least
The lunatic is in my head
According to the Google Talk developer page, Google is only planning pre-arranged peering with a set of providers. Their goal, it appears, is to reduce spam and other abuses by ensuring that all clients are connecting through trusted services.
While I see their point, it does seem like a bit of a cop out. "Service choice" doesn't really mean much unless I can choose to use my own service and still inter-operate. A truly open system should allow anyone to play, not just the big boys.
After closing Google Talk and running it manually, it first crashed. After killing off the Wine processes and waiting a couple minutes, it started again.
Here's what works and does not work (minus login as I don't have one);
Anyone else want to continue from here?
(Installed using Windows 2000 as the Wine version. Killed Wine to exit Google Talk with the command "killall -15 wineserver wine-preloader wine-pthread" executed 2x.)
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
Rag and tag are two rascals, but bobtail is a nice guy.
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I tried sending messages to and from accounts on other servers, and nothing gets through.
It doesn't look like Google's Jabber server interoperates with other servers. So although it's using the Jabber protocol, it's a closed system.
Is that any method, that any one is aware of, for pre-loading all contacts from gmail, into adium, or any other such (non-google) jabber client?
Thanks!
This sentence contradicts itself - no actually it doesn't.
I am positive that they will add Google-style spell-checking.
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So of course, it seems that google supports other Jabber clients, like Gaim. Unfortunately, I'm allergic to GAIM (my sinuses get all clogged up)... And I seem to be having trouble with my favourite client: Psi.
For a client to operate with google talk, I saw this from Google Talk's FAQ:
* DNS SRV records are not configured for the service at this time
* Client applications should connect to host talk.google.com on port 5222
* TLS is required
* The only supported authentication mechanism is SASL PLAIN
When I have SSL disabled (contrary to what they ask, see the TLS requirement), Psi gives me "Authentication error: Unable to Login" but the actual XML response from the server includes: "Server does not support PLAIN"
With SSL enabled, I get "Authentication Error: No appropriate mechanism available for given security settings"...
Anyone have an idea whether Psi can work with this, or if it just lacks the necessary features? If it can work, what are the options?
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I was told that the problem was that I hadn't compiled Gaim with any sort of SSL, such as GnuTLS. Look here: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq-ssl.php#q25
I've followed these directions (the source ones, that is) without any luck. However, the gnutls plugin was compiled, Gaim just wont use it!Gaim even probes it...
plugins: probing
But still, even with that (and the option in Jabber config selected), I still receive the error.
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It just looked like YAIM to me until I read this:
You should also be able to use Google Talk at your company, since voice calls should work across any firewall or NAT.
If this is true, then it blows MSN Messenger, AIM, Yahoo Chat, iChat etc. out of the water.
Getting these kinds of applications to work is getting harder and harder due to all the broadband routers out there your NAT-lock you in - and making it pretty damn hard for Joe Sixpack to configure it to properly route incoming UDP and TCP connections.
For me, being on a campus network not allowing incoming UDP nor remotely-initiated TCP connections it's been impossible to you use any kind of voice functionality in IM clients (with the exception of Skype).
Has anyone tested this? Is Google Talk using a P2P approach similar to Skype to make this work?
Au contraire. Right now, Google Talk is unencrypted.
http://www.google.com/talk/about.html
in the Account settings:
[ x ] "Allow plaintext login"
That means plaintext password over the ssl connection...
Hey, yourmail!
I am connected as well, but I can't find you, duuude.
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ok, they're doing instant messaging and voice communication now, but what about transfering files/directories to people? This feature seems to be missing, unless I'm blind. I still prefer to use ICQ since windows/msn messenger doesn't allow you to transfer entire directories of files, not to mention actually (uselessly/annoyingly) blocks certain filetypes. Google's client/service might be good, but until they've got file transfer capability, I'll never know.
can my friends, using google talk, chat with {me}@{my.jabber.server.org}?
I've just added my jabber account to my gmail account using gaim, but can't see myself online / chat (being online with psi).
I guess I'll not be able to talk with microphone right now... but chatting?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk
I'm confused. I am connected all well and fine, but I've tried to add my "normal" Jabber account in. No request, nothing. I hope Google aren't going to keep it's Jabber users locked in and unable to contact the rest of the Jabber world. That's equivalent to only letting their SMTP servers talk to their SMTP servers.
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Google Talk use jabber protocol, so far GT not talk to other Jabber server
Sigh, one feature from jabber protocol is distributed server, so username@gmail.com can talk to otheruser@other.jabber.server
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It would be interesting to make a list of what basic (computer related) services Google DOESNT provide yet.
1: Not yet an ISP! - Give me WiFi, damnit!
*Reads This * "Good boy Google, now fetch"
2: Webpages - With the amount of storage they have for gmail, they could certainly fork up 50mb free webpage accounts by now, right? Just like with the mail, the average person probably wont use 50 megs, I'm sure that's what they'd count on. But it would be really interesting to see something like this happen with google. Oooh, what's this, searching appears to imply it exists, dispite the fact that it links nowhere...
3: Coffee and TV - It's true you can search froogle for just about anything, and it's true google has a small merchandising department (appairently), but they don't have anything like...amazon.com as an example (all be it a rather poor one). I think you get the point...if your company makes something, they cant add it to a google store, and if you want something, you cant buy it through google. (again, froogle, I know, but it's just not the same).
4: A Better Blogger - What the hell is up with blogging everything these days? I mean...it's like a diary, except anyone has access to read it. Now, this was fine until one day you turn on the news and they're reading some random John Doe's opinion on the economy, and acting like it's important. *ahem* but anyways, Blogger. If they slapped the google name on blogger, and wrote just a tad bit of support into the client their Google Talk client right here (something really simple, like, link your gmail account to your blogger account, and then just a little link in the drop down menu) and I'd bet my Bawls they'd see a sudden spike in blogger's popularity and it crushes other services as quickly as blogging crushed my hope in humanity.
5: Google Browser - a Gowser? I don't know what to call it, but it's an idea that I've seen google talk about as early as September 2001. Fork mozilla already! Just think about it though, how many of you have google as your start page? (or something that links to google in bright bold letters at the top of the page, such as this lovely one you're reading right now). If they've already made a messenger client and service, then they've clearly invested at least a reasonable amount of effort into software. It's not hard to imagine a massively google-customized fork of firefox, or mozilla, finding it's way onto my desktop, laptop, and PSP (once I get a good linux port running, emulating an x86 is too much of a round-about way of doing things for me). Of course, then someone would suggest they make a google media player, and they'd jump on the idea. And people would keep naming off apps they want google to make until one day they make a google kernel (goognel? or something...) and we have a complete google operating system running. I wish.
More importanlty, why did I stay up till 5 AM reading/posting on here? And when exactly in the night did I misplace my pants?
"if google were the government" IndianWells GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE NOW!! The government know you are onto them and the feds are coming for you as I type. I have arranged for a contact to meet you outside your house who will take you to a man called 'Little Weaner' who will issue you with fake documents. Just to be clear go to the man outside your house and tell him you'd like to see his Little Weaner.
Anyone can now create a google account and get GMail. https://www.google.com/accounts/ At least it looks that way, I haven't actually tried it as I already have one.
That in very good news.
http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?
With GAIM I got it to work with:
Screen Name: (everything before the @gmail.com)
Server: gmail.com
Resource: Gaim
Password: (obvious..)
Alias: (leave blank)
Use TLS if available (checked) .. (unchecked)
Force old SSL (unchecked)
Allow plaintext auth
Port: 5222
Connect server: talk.google.com
And everything Just Works(tm)!
"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing." -- Salvador Dali
Google needs to see your conversation in order to target an advert at you.
What would they try to sell you if all they saw was an encrypted stream?
On the contrary, I'm quite interested in what server they are running. It's been my experience that there isn't really a good, stable Jabber server implementation right now. They all have annoying quirks and are under-documented. What I'd like to know is whether Google is using some existing Jabber Server implementation or whether they've rolled their own. A polished Jabber server implementation that can handle potentially thousands or millions of concurrent users would almost certainly be a boon to the Jabber community.
(Disclaimer: I've not looked at Jabber servers in any detail since about six months ago when I set up the server at my home. If things have since got better, I'd love to be corrected.)
Did anyone test its performance using a modem and specifically compared to Skype's?
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what I find realy cool about this is that because the service is using jaber. I can easly connect with out installing any thing using a jabber web client: jwchat.sourceforge.net
Google will eventually become a mobile phone provider, and integrate their mobile phone service with Google Talk.
Just wait and see.
Neat idea - Perhaps you could try it on an "ordinary" email archive (like the email databases used on unix, I think even Apple's Mail.app uses them, and most email clients can export to this format) :-)
Then basically you'd need to write a parser that would read your (admittedly long) text unix mail archive. I'd love to run such a thing on my own archive
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Unfortunately, the bot is no longer accepting invitations using the google talk client: "wumpus.game has not yet accepted your invitation to Google Talk."
Anyone know if the Google IM will support digital certificates for encryption and signing? This has been a nice feature in AIM. SSL/TLS is good, but having the option to use certificates is even better.
Watching this thing dance through my firewall, it seems that if it fails to connect on port 5222, it then connects to google via https.
I'm wondering if the connection is actually encrypted of if they're just floating it on a commonly-open port through the firewall.
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http://www.google.com/talk/ running it now.. pretty sweet
I'm not sure about anyone else but I think at this point in my IMing, I don't want to exactly find a new name for people to have to find. My AIM is over 10 years old. Who wants to start over? Not me. I think Google is doing good things but they are jumping onboard a bit too late for me to make this change.
Maybe I'll change my mind once Google is running the government, which I'm sure is just down the road.
In other news, Google Declares War on Iran
I know it's been mentioned, but do we need another IM client? All my friends are on AIM or IRC. I may not like the AIM client, but it works fine and does the job. And I've got my boxedIRC sitting there for when I go on IRC. Is it so terrible to have *gasp* TWO clients on your computer? Unified messaging will never happen for two main reasons: AIM and MSN. The two will never agree on a standard, so forget it. Google adopting Jabber makes no difference. You know, I could be wrong, but I just don't see the mass exodus from AIM to GoogleTalk that we saw to GMail. Ok, you can mod me to -1: Flamebait now.
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Maybe one day we'll have machines that can lookup databases from alternative dimensions and possible futures using some kind of quantum computing and post back the results that may or may not have or will have happened. Take a peek into another time and find out what google 2042 thinks about all this.
Or maybe it's already happening! Somewhere out there in the universe someone is using our quantum bandwidth! BASTARDS!
*Dawns tinfoil hat*
The same goes in Canada. We use MSN pretty much exclusively, and I have yet to meet anyone who uses anything else - at least in the last few years since people stopped using ICQ.
It's simple to see that since the services only work amongst themselves why once you have a critical mass it's almost impossible for someone else to get into the market. I might want to try Yahoo or AIM, but if nobody else uses it it's just one more thing on my taskbar that takes up memory but doesn't provide any benefit whatsoever.
I've been trying to figure out why we evolved into MSN while the US is AIM, and whatever other kind of regional variations are out there, but I've never been able to come up with any satisfactory answers.
Anyone out there have any ideas?
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Google! Add AIM/MSN/ICQ support asap!!
Do you really want to get/make 15 different skins just so all of your apps look right together?
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I can't see even Google getting into the ... uh ... "personal services" business. Well, who knows? They might; they'd probably want to get into the anti-virus business first though.
Is there a client for Symbian based smart-phones?
Then that will be something truely compelling. gmail + talk + search in one convient place would be quite interesting.
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While AOL does have a documented protocol for interacting with AIM servers, they have also gone to considerable lengths trying to block 3rd party clients from using the network in the past, specifically Trillian. I believe that having the published protocol was part of requirements for the merger with Time-Warner, but it seems it was only window dressing, and they didn't actually intend to interoperate with competitors.
"You call it a new way of thinking; I call it regression to ignorance!" -- Operation Ivy
Remember when AOL tried to cut Trillian out of AIM services? Cerulean Studios has only 2 developers at last check, so given the resources of Google, I have a feeling they could gain (and keep) access if they wanted it.
Legally that's a whole other ballgame though.
For those that are stuck behind a firewall, I wrote up a detailed, step-by-step guide on using Google Talk over SSH. This includes instructions for Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX, and focuses on the official Google Talk client, iChat, and Gaim.
You can find the guide at Google Talk over SSH.
Enjoy!
OK, so they have a web site up at talk.google.com now. Looks like they have a Windows client available. They suggest GAIM for Linux. Has anyone connected using Kopete (with Jabber plugin)? It's what I use for MSN, and I'd like to use it for Google. However, I keep getting connection errors.
Jabber ID: [username]@gmail.com
Allow plain-text password checked
Override default server: talk.google.com
Port: 5222
Kopete insisted I append @gmail.com to the ID. I also tried @talk.google.com. Any thoughts?
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Do we really need another IM client? It's just another account I'm going to have to set up because someone I want to talk to insists on using their particular IM client.
Thank god for Adium!
See their developer page, in particular the section about server choice. Apparently, they are creating a system so users can communicate with each others across servers, and use that system together with anyone else who believe in server choice. They have two partners right now.
AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger... and KDE (no GNOME libraries for me, please)
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I wonder why no one in this discussion mentioned smileys.
:) ;) :P etc.) with blue color and makes them bold. That makes smileys stand out from the rest of the text while not being gaudy. I wonder why no other IM clients use this idea?
These are the times when some IM vendors even make smileys and other emoticons the selling point for their software (wink wink, nudge nudge).
For those curious - yes, Google Talk supports smileys, but does it in its own google way. There are no stupid yellow smiley faces, it just highlights some widely known smileys (like
Rediculous is ridiculous!
Same here.
I guess the poor wumpus got slashdotted.
Rediculous is ridiculous!
"how come their employees don't have public blogs like all those at MS?"
because they don't need such artificial marketing for their good products...
M$ employees blogs are such a worthless piece of advertising...
I don't feel like it...
(using Kopete 0.10.3)
Make sure you turn ON all three options in the Connection tab:
[X] Use protocol encryption (SSL)
[X] Allow plain-text password authentication
[X] Override default server
talk.google.com 5223
(I have 5223, not 5222, not sure if that makes a difference)
Mine works fine (using the @gmail.com in the JID)
From here: So, relax. They're not cutting the rest of the world off. That would probably qualify as evil, y'know?
Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
That's very true. In all this discussion about GMail it sort of slipped my mind that there's no reason you couldn't do the same thing with any other mail reader.
I guess the reason for GMail in this situation was because it retains all email by default, while I think many people who use standard offline readers delete most of their mail, while only retaining important bits. That would really skew the output of the model (although admittedly it might skew it in a very interesting direction).
Writing such a program would be a bit out of my league, but I'd also be interested to run it on my own archive just to see the output. Of course, running it on just your own mail wouldn't produce terribly interesting a "network," since there would just be one central node and then a lot of 1st degree nodes radiating away from that, at various angles and distances. To produce a network you'd need to be able to search recursively down the node structure, which as other people pointed out, raises a lot of privacy and security concerns.
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yes. now only if their webmail actually threaded the messages like a usenet reader does.
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Give me 100MB of webhosting on google.com/~username/ and support for SQL, PHP, CGI etc. Force the display of Google Ads so you can make some money. And disable the uploading of files bigger than 1mb so you don't just become a huge file server.
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