Not as far as I know. All that the netscape ISP software does is set up the dial up connection. You continue to use your default browser - whatever that is.
Well for one I'd be happy if they sent Netscape 7.2 on CD to all their ISP subscribers, this would help increase Gecko marketshare.
If Gecko gets a significant share of the market (in whatever form - Netscape, Firefox, Camino, etc) then it might make Netscape's parent company decide to finally switch their ISP for muppets (AOL) over to a Gecko based browser too - particularly with all the IE security holes.
Yes, firefox is the best for most people, but it still may not suit everyone. There's reasons some people may install netscape:
- They've always used it, happy with it and don't want to change even though there's obvious benefits (the same sorta people who still use IE) - at least Netcape is standards compliant. - Some people prefer the suite to standalone apps, Netscape builds on Mozilla by adding common plugins which make it easier for the normal user.
"Perhaps I should just change Mozilla to the modern theme and use the Netcape throbber, they'd never know the difference!"
Mozilla suite (not Firefox) comes with the modern theme (just classic is the default). Change it in the preferences.
You can download the Windows/Linux version of Netscape or buy the CD and find copies of the throbber files. Then you can use them with Mozilla, there's a lot of info on how to do this, just search google for it.
Bonus points for anyone who can post a link to such articles.
Netscape 6.0 was terrible for advertising, it even had an extra toolbar at the bottom of the screen (below the statusbar) for the sole purpose of pushing links to you.
6.1 removed this awful toolbar, there was still a lot of links and stuff in bookmarks, etc but all that's easily removed.
That trend continued so 7.1 was not full of advertising. If you want a browser that's full of advertising then try Opera (free edition) has a banner ad + loads of bookmark links.
Saying that, Opera (paid version) is my 2nd favourite browser, if it weren't for Firefox I'd be using it all the time (I bought it prior to Firefox becoming popular)
Well in the pre-foundation days Netscape was the end-user version of Mozilla ("Mozilla is not for end users" is what people would hear if they wanted Mozilla support), but people were working on Phoenix (now Firefox) which was to be mozilla.org's end user browser.
I can imagine the Mozilla suite of applications will no longer be as prominent on the mozilla.org website once the standalone apps (Firefox, Thunderbird) reach 1.0. Netscape my keep the suite alive.
Choice is good, whether someone prefers Netscape or Firefox it's a win for Gecko marketshare and that combined with others modern browsers (Opera, khtml, etc) will encourage people to build to the standards.
This is brilliant news there's still some web sites I know that say they support Netscape and not Firefox, if this can get the Netscape marketshare up until Firefox becomes a household name (and it's on its way - there's a lot of marketing planned around the 1.0 release) then it'll encourage webmasters to fix their bugs.
Also it means there's a recent secure browser that people can switch to from IE if the pre-1.0 version number puts people off Firefox (I know the Mozilla suite is 1.7 but they never really did aim that one at end users and doesn't have the new extension management stuff Firefox will have).
If you look at the copyright notice in the Netscape Store article linked to in the story you'll also notice that the store is run by MozSource which is the retail arm of the Mozilla Foundation.
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I agree, there certainly needs to be something done about the current moderation system. It seems to have two problems: 1. People seem to be positing a lot more pointless messages to use up peoples moderator points.
2. Moderators are making bad decisions. Sometimes they moderate up a discussion that has already got the appropriate score and other times thjey modeate down a post with an already appropriate score.
Can you please check the present score before moderating a comments.
It always seems that whoever is in government they always come up with some strange ideas which always do more harm than good. I'm glad that they are resting on the issue of Key Escrow at the moment but they have to realise that it must NEVER go ahead: 1) Because the people who it is meant to catch - the criminals - can easily work round the system by not using keys that are approved by the UK government. 2) It'll scare any companies wanting to set up their ecommerce business into moving to a country where there's no threat of key escrow being introduced. I also believe that as the Internet is international individual countries shouldn't interfere this way as any legislation only affects their own country and therefore puts them at a disadvantage.
Of course the Internet is not the only way the UK government is risking putting UK based companies (and workers) at a disadvantage. A well publicised problem recently is the government putting up diesel prices as well as raising the taxes haulage firms have to pay. The diesel prices made public transport more expensive (as buses run on diesel) and the government is meant to be encouraging the use of public transport. As for the haulage firms they may locate overseas and all the UK based employees will either have to move with them or lose their jobs.
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> If enough people support such events then there will be more of them and at lower costs.
That is true. If this years event is big I'm sure something MASSIVE will be organised in the UK and as more people will attend the cost per person can be reduced.
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It should be a good event. As the previous poster said the vacnat positions will still be filled although the speakers for these vacant slots mustn't have confirmed yet. As with all conferences there will be backup speakers in case the ones planned cannot make the event. UKUUG events have been knowing to be expanded beyond their scheduled time - UK LISA 98 was extended to four days (it was originally meant to be a two day event). I'm not saying that the Linux conference will be extended but their track record suggests that they'll have no problems filling the vacant slots.
The most important thing about the conference, however, is the opportunity to meet other Linux users from around the UK as well as the panel sessions where you have a chance to put your questions to a panel of speakers. Hopefully the panel will be able to address all the questions put here about ext3 as well as anything else you want to talk about.
At that price I'm certainly sold. I have an old copy of Win 95 lying around the house. Once I went to Linux the need to reboot meant it was never worth using Windows anymore but now with VMware I can use Windows if I have to. OK DirectX doesn't work but Quicken and stuff will so Quicken will be getting my money soon too (although I will write to them also saying I want a Linux port as I'd prefer running it natively - but this is the next best thing)
Well you have to expect a mainstream article to make some sort of blunder. Shareware is a bad enough mistake to make - but a programming language?? Well everyone knows that linux isn't a language.
In my experience running Oracle on Linux is fine. The instability of NT means that it's not a reliable platform to run a server on unless you can cope with large amounts of downtime. I've got a machine running Oracle with Linux 2.0.35 with an uptime of 36 days and growing. It's only 36 days because it's 36 days since I installed Oracle!
If you're running a server with a massive load, running Solaris on a sparc is probably your best bet. But Linux is certainly worth considering for all but the largest servers (and if SMP is further improved in Linux then it'll easily challenge those too)
No not more Disney music. I can't stand it! Never have kids unless you can cope with that music. They want it on in the car and everything. Yuk! Normally I compromise and put the radio on. If I'm feeling stressed I listen to the Police - now that's real driving music.
That's a good point and as you say it benefits the industry even though it's irritating for us.
I have a CD diskman and an old walkman where the tape player doesn't work anymore. As I don't want to keep carrying CDs around I just use the clapped out walkman to listen to the radio as all my CD's only have a few songs on each that I like (with the exception of the Police album).
I really need to buy a CD burner or a personal MP3 player but then again I'd prefer a legal solution.
Did you use the pre-compiled binaries or compile it yourself? I compiled it myself and had no problems, if you used the binaries then perhaps try grabbing the source. BTW read the README files before compiling. You need to get and install the NSPR libraries for it to compile.
You have to download, compile and install the NSPR libraries first. I did this a while back so I can't remember if I had any problems when I did this but you can download NSPR from: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/libraries/ I got mine from the source directory so can't say if the RPMs work.
I have no idea wether he's a doctor or not. I'm only a member of the UKUUG I don't write their web pages and I'm not on their council. I just thought this event was a good one so I thought I'd mention it. This'll be the first time I've met RMS or heard him in person. It'll be interesting even though there'll be a lot I don't quite agree with.
Personally I think slackware's menu based installation is no harder than any other Linux distributions. Whether you consider the lack of a package manager to be a good or bad thing is a matter only you can decide. All I know is RPM is still not perfect although it is still a useful utility if you prefer that sort of thing.
I actually think RedHat is the worst distribution around for 'suits'. Firstly it's what nearly all the corporate types think of when they see the word 'Linux' then they'll pop over to redhat.com to find out more about Linux. They're faced with that awful site and are put off as Linux doesn't look professional enough. It they continue with RedHat they'll then get a distro that doesn't do what it's supposed to and includes too much cutting edge software that should still be left to the developers as it's not stable enough yet. RedHat have a major part in GNOME and look, it became version 1.0 before it was even stable. I like GNOME, KDE is good too but I think GNOME has more potential, but I'll keep using KDE until GNOME is a bit more stable.
RedHat can cause the Linux community more harm than good if they're not careful, at least within corporate circles.
SuSE's a lot more polished and easy to use distribution and I hope becomes more popular.
Of course the choice of distros is good (I still use slackware) but as suits think RedHat == Linux then is can do damage if they don't improve their image on the website and ship more stable products.
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Not as far as I know. All that the netscape ISP software does is set up the dial up connection. You continue to use your default browser - whatever that is.
Well for one I'd be happy if they sent Netscape 7.2 on CD to all their ISP subscribers, this would help increase Gecko marketshare.
If Gecko gets a significant share of the market (in whatever form - Netscape, Firefox, Camino, etc) then it might make Netscape's parent company decide to finally switch their ISP for muppets (AOL) over to a Gecko based browser too - particularly with all the IE security holes.
That would make me happy.
Yes, firefox is the best for most people, but it still may not suit everyone. There's reasons some people may install netscape:
- They've always used it, happy with it and don't want to change even though there's obvious benefits (the same sorta people who still use IE) - at least Netcape is standards compliant.
- Some people prefer the suite to standalone apps, Netscape builds on Mozilla by adding common plugins which make it easier for the normal user.
"Perhaps I should just change Mozilla to the modern theme and use the Netcape throbber, they'd never know the difference!"
Mozilla suite (not Firefox) comes with the modern theme (just classic is the default). Change it in the preferences.
You can download the Windows/Linux version of Netscape or buy the CD and find copies of the throbber files. Then you can use them with Mozilla, there's a lot of info on how to do this, just search google for it.
Bonus points for anyone who can post a link to such articles.
Netscape 6.0 was terrible for advertising, it even had an extra toolbar at the bottom of the screen (below the statusbar) for the sole purpose of pushing links to you.
6.1 removed this awful toolbar, there was still a lot of links and stuff in bookmarks, etc but all that's easily removed.
That trend continued so 7.1 was not full of advertising. If you want a browser that's full of advertising then try Opera (free edition) has a banner ad + loads of bookmark links.
Saying that, Opera (paid version) is my 2nd favourite browser, if it weren't for Firefox I'd be using it all the time (I bought it prior to Firefox becoming popular)
Well in the pre-foundation days Netscape was the end-user version of Mozilla ("Mozilla is not for end users" is what people would hear if they wanted Mozilla support), but people were working on Phoenix (now Firefox) which was to be mozilla.org's end user browser.
I can imagine the Mozilla suite of applications will no longer be as prominent on the mozilla.org website once the standalone apps (Firefox, Thunderbird) reach 1.0. Netscape my keep the suite alive.
Choice is good, whether someone prefers Netscape or Firefox it's a win for Gecko marketshare and that combined with others modern browsers (Opera, khtml, etc) will encourage people to build to the standards.
User agent switching can be harmful, it messes with sites stats and therefore makes your favourite browser seem less popular.
This is brilliant news there's still some web sites I know that say they support Netscape and not Firefox, if this can get the Netscape marketshare up until Firefox becomes a household name (and it's on its way - there's a lot of marketing planned around the 1.0 release) then it'll encourage webmasters to fix their bugs.
Also it means there's a recent secure browser that people can switch to from IE if the pre-1.0 version number puts people off Firefox (I know the Mozilla suite is 1.7 but they never really did aim that one at end users and doesn't have the new extension management stuff Firefox will have).
If you look at the copyright notice in the Netscape Store article linked to in the story you'll also notice that the store is run by MozSource which is the retail arm of the Mozilla Foundation.
The nights out are also good too
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You can say that again
1. People seem to be positing a lot more pointless messages to use up peoples moderator points.
2. Moderators are making bad decisions. Sometimes they moderate up a discussion that has already got the appropriate score and other times thjey modeate down a post with an already appropriate score.
Can you please check the present score before moderating a comments.
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1) Because the people who it is meant to catch - the criminals - can easily work round the system by not using keys that are approved by the UK government.
2) It'll scare any companies wanting to set up their ecommerce business into moving to a country where there's no threat of key escrow being introduced.
I also believe that as the Internet is international individual countries shouldn't interfere this way as any legislation only affects their own country and therefore puts them at a disadvantage.
Of course the Internet is not the only way the UK government is risking putting UK based companies (and workers) at a disadvantage. A well publicised problem recently is the government putting up diesel prices as well as raising the taxes haulage firms have to pay. The diesel prices made public transport more expensive (as buses run on diesel) and the government is meant to be encouraging the use of public transport. As for the haulage firms they may locate overseas and all the UK based employees will either have to move with them or lose their jobs.
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That is true. If this years event is big I'm sure something MASSIVE will be organised in the UK and as more people will attend the cost per person can be reduced.
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UKUUG events have been knowing to be expanded beyond their scheduled time - UK LISA 98 was extended to four days (it was originally meant to be a two day event). I'm not saying that the Linux conference will be extended but their track record suggests that they'll have no problems filling the vacant slots.
The most important thing about the conference, however, is the opportunity to meet other Linux users from around the UK as well as the panel sessions where you have a chance to put your questions to a panel of speakers. Hopefully the panel will be able to address all the questions put here about ext3 as well as anything else you want to talk about.
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Shareware is a bad enough mistake to make - but a programming language?? Well everyone knows that linux isn't a language.
It's a way of life!
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If you're running a server with a massive load, running Solaris on a sparc is probably your best bet. But Linux is certainly worth considering for all but the largest servers (and if SMP is further improved in Linux then it'll easily challenge those too)
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Never have kids unless you can cope with that music. They want it on in the car and everything.
Yuk!
Normally I compromise and put the radio on. If I'm feeling stressed I listen to the Police - now that's real driving music.
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I have a CD diskman and an old walkman where the tape player doesn't work anymore. As I don't want to keep carrying CDs around I just use the clapped out walkman to listen to the radio as all my CD's only have a few songs on each that I like (with the exception of the Police album).
I really need to buy a CD burner or a personal MP3 player but then again I'd prefer a legal solution.
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I compiled it myself and had no problems, if you used the binaries then perhaps try grabbing the source.
BTW read the README files before compiling. You need to get and install the NSPR libraries for it to compile.
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ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/libraries/
I got mine from the source directory so can't say if the RPMs work.
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This'll be the first time I've met RMS or heard him in person. It'll be interesting even though there'll be a lot I don't quite agree with.
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Whether you consider the lack of a package manager to be a good or bad thing is a matter only you can decide.
All I know is RPM is still not perfect although it is still a useful utility if you prefer that sort of thing.
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It they continue with RedHat they'll then get a distro that doesn't do what it's supposed to and includes too much cutting edge software that should still be left to the developers as it's not stable enough yet.
RedHat have a major part in GNOME and look, it became version 1.0 before it was even stable.
I like GNOME, KDE is good too but I think GNOME has more potential, but I'll keep using KDE until GNOME is a bit more stable.
RedHat can cause the Linux community more harm than good if they're not careful, at least within corporate circles.
SuSE's a lot more polished and easy to use distribution and I hope becomes more popular.
Of course the choice of distros is good (I still use slackware) but as suits think RedHat == Linux then is can do damage if they don't improve their image on the website and ship more stable products.
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