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Netscape 7.2 To Be Released August 3rd
Following up a story from May, linux2004 writes "for those who thought Netscape was dead after firing all their staff and spinning Mozilla off into a non-profit foundation, then think again. It was announced a while back that Netscape would continue releases of their browser suite and now the release date has been confirmed as August 3rd as a free download or by buying a CD. I don't think it'll take the attention away from Firefox but will be a decent upgrade for those using Netscape 7.1. The 7.2 release will be based on Mozilla 1.7 and will probably have the usual Netscape additions."
Maybe my stoopid admins will upgrade my machie from Netscape 4 to the new version...
Unbelievable:
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And both of them on the same day... Crazy... This must be some conspiracy against slashdot users
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Isn't there some game coming out on the same day ? :)
why does the post read like this is the first NS release ever since Mozilla was founded?
...and that's all there is to it.
I wonder if there will be a new addition to the Book of Mozilla. The Book of Mozilla, 8:3
A better idea would probably be a Netscape branded Firefox. That would kick ass.
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Give me a break. Most uninformed people (which is the majority of people in this world) do not have a clue what Firefox is. These same people probably do know what Netscape is.
Netscape might not be as advanced and bleeding edge as Firefox or Mozilla but at least it has the name recognition that the non-geeks require.
I use Netscape 7.1 right now, rather than Mozilla or Firefox because I have some online financial sites that recognize Netscape and IE, but refuse to work with Mozilla. I refuse to use IE whenever possible, so, I'm glad to hear that Netscape keeps marching on.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that Thunderbird will support Netscape mail, being proprietory.
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This is a rather odd pattern. Sun gives OOo as a free [no $ - N$ for the rest of this] alternative to Word and sells a slightly more advanced version called StarOffice...
Now Netscape is doing basically the same thing. Add in the other Linux vendors that offer something N$ and another with a price tag and spinoff of the old business model (lower optioned item at cost/loss to hook 'em and high-profit items to upgrade them later) is created.
The real question for the software world is if this is a viable model in the long run?
In OSS, there are quite a few individuals that keep the N$ items going, but is there much incentive for the priced offerings (other than businesses for support/peace of mind)?
It will be interesting to watch this trend unfold
I'm not sure whether it'll help or hinder the Firefox launch, I don't really think it'll have much effect either way. What might do though is agreeing to advertise it so if you're webmaster of a high traffic site or have a say in what goes into a dead-tree magazine click the link...
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I know I don't. I am grateful to them for the mozilla project, don't get me wrong, but netscape is little more than an AOL whore.
It's akin to MS taking the latest mozilla, turning it into IE.
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Now that the WWW is a scarier place, Mozilla is much more comforting to me than IE, but I miss some of the ease of IE when it came to the ability to play some of the "multimedia" out there.
Netscape was just as effective as IE when it came to that sort of thing, and if they can bring the "full flavor" back to the internet without the nagging security holes in Internet Explorer then it might just be worth the second chance.
Expect :
Bigger, slower executable
HTML rendering/validation differences from *all* previous versions
More pain in developing webpages/sites, since there will be yet another browser in the market, and the yuppies in marketing and sales will scream their throats off for "compatibility" with it
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Dude... Relax it's just mozilla 1.7 with a difrent logo...
I thought this was already confirmed by netcraft? :-)
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hmm is the official aim client that comes with NS on linux better than their stand alone one? does it run oscar or toc?
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It's based off of Mozilla 1.7 and they have no staff so I wouldn't expect the rendering engine to be any different. The pictures on the buttons maybe...
"I don't think so": Just compare Mozilla 1.4 to Mozilla 1.7 and you know what you get (with some additions).
That's as long as Netscape don't introduce additional bugs into their branded version, of course.
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I am getting tired of hearing all the love stories about them from those in Africa and Asia when I can't even buy one yet!
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I'm all for choice in the browser market, but why bother fielding 3 browsers, all based on the same code? AFAI can see, the functionality of all three could be achieved with a basic browser plus plugins/extensions/installation options. What's the reasoning behind The Way Things Are?
This is brilliant news there's still some web sites I know that say they support Netscape and not Firefox, if this can get the Netscape marketshare up until Firefox becomes a household name (and it's on its way - there's a lot of marketing planned around the 1.0 release) then it'll encourage webmasters to fix their bugs.
Also it means there's a recent secure browser that people can switch to from IE if the pre-1.0 version number puts people off Firefox (I know the Mozilla suite is 1.7 but they never really did aim that one at end users and doesn't have the new extension management stuff Firefox will have).
If you look at the copyright notice in the Netscape Store article linked to in the story you'll also notice that the store is run by MozSource which is the retail arm of the Mozilla Foundation.
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As I understand this Mozilla was paid by AOL to set this up for them. Not that this changed any of the procedures to create Netscape. Ever since Mozilla was founded they have crated Mozilla first and then rebranded and added the custom Netscape code on top after they rolled out Mozilla. One of the reasons the 1.7 codebase was locked is because Netscape was based on it. All the past locked branches have been timed with Netscape launches. Ex: Moz1.4 = NS7.1
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If Netscape decides to make a Netscape 8.0 based on Firefox, great for them
Let's see... Warner Bros. Pictures released Firefox the movie. WB parent Time Warner also owns America Online, which once funded the foundation that develops Firefox the web UA. Put $n and $n together, and it's entirely possible that AOL could work gecko into version 10 of the AOL client and use clips from the movie to promote AOL 10.0.
netscape is bloated and useless now that mozilla is out. firefox is picking up a huge amount of support and it's the best browser on the net.
I'd say any Mozilla after about 1.0 would be an upgrade for Netscape, as it would remove a bunch of advertising and other junk I'd be happier without.
We offer NS 6 on our stations here in addition to the unremovable IE. Next time the images are updated, I'm going to lobby hard to replace it with Firefox current.current no matter what, and never look back.
Honestly. Netscape threw in their hand...why are they still at the table?
Yeah! And not only AIM, but Viewpoint Media Player, and Winamp, and "FREE AOL!" icons for my desktop and my Start Menu...
I can't wait.
User agent switching can be harmful, it messes with sites stats and therefore makes your favourite browser seem less popular.
Not if you report Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.66; Linux NT 5.0) Has Been Replaced With Firefox . This will show up in stats as the browser of the beast running on a nonexistent OS, prompting admins to go in and check the UA string more carefully.
If I buy a Mozilla CD, does all the money get eaten by production and administrative costs and shipping, or does the Foundation actually get some money to spend on development? I haven't been able to find anything at the Mozilla site which says yea or nay on this.
I'll probably send a small gift either way, but it would be nice to know.
Who and where is this Netscape build being made? Is it someone at Sun?
I would like to see versions of Netscape 7.2 for both Tru64 and SGI IRIX, but I doubt it will happen. If I knew who to contact, I would at least try to argue my case.
Mozilla is generally fine, but there are still those who want "their netscape".
Perhaps I should just change Mozilla to the modern theme and use the Netcape throbber, they'd never know the difference!
ISPs (which is what Netscape is now ... sad as that is) have been rebranding browsers for nearly a decade now. While "Netscape" meant something through the 4.0 generation, the 6.0 and 7.0 series has done nothing but rebrand Mozilla. With the firing of their Mozilla developers they remove the last bit of respect I had for the name "Netscape". Now they are just a rebranded Mozilla.
I still have reverence for what Netscape was and did, but today they are no more like that entity than SCO is like the old SCO.
It is more productive to voice thoughtful opinions (reply) than to judge (moderate) others.
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Shouldn't it be from the "Why-don't-you-die-already?" department or "I'm-not-quite-dead-yet" department.
This is probably a useless release to most /. readers, as we already know about Mozilla Seamonkey (aka everything but the kitchen sink) and then Firefox and Thunderbird, all of which are more regularly updated and less AOL-whoring.
What this release is REALLY good for is for those mothers, grandmothers, and other uninterested people who know what Netscape is but can't be bothered to try this 'other' lizard. Arguably this market is small, as you can slip Mozilla right by them pretty easily anyway, but I'm sure someone has a use for it somewhere. If these users stick with Netscape 7.1, they're going to continue to be vulnerable to all those little security issues that have been discovered in Mozilla since then, and miss out on all the speed and new features released since then.
I for one won't use Netscape 7.x, as I already changed to a different AIM client (the integrated usage was a neat idea, but doesn't really work as everyone lies about their email address to AIM anyway) and use Firefox and Thunderbird anyway.
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That way we wouldn't have had to go through the 'Phoenix-Firebird-Firefox' saga. I seriously doubt AOL is currently making any money on the 'Netscape' brand, but a Firefox-renamed-Netscape would actually have a chance of gaining some market share.
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It's probably still not too late
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FF 0.9 has some sort of threading problem or something so that you cannot have more than 4 tabbed windows downloading at the same time. If you do have more than 4 at once, they all stop downloading.
So I use netscape. Both NS and FF are better designed than MSIE, however.
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Sorry, but "netscape" always suffered from bloat. We don't mention it much here because of the intense IE hate mongering. But bloated it was, bloated it is. Netscape was never anything but bloat, but it was "our" bloat, not "M$" bloat. Besides, since "years ago" you where doing wheelies in the street on your bike with a banana seat and a sissy bar, exactly what version of NN where you talking about? NN6?
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More pain in developing webpages/sites, since there will be yet another browser in the market, and the yuppies in marketing and sales will scream their throats off for "compatibility" with it
Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape are all standards compliant browsers you don't have to design your website with any special code to achieve full compatibility with them. You would only have a problem if you have a non-standards compliant website, then you *would* have to rewrite it. But hey if you decided to have a non-standard site, you deserve to have to do extra work.
Standards are your friends.
It's so worth it to order the CD. I'm buying mine today!
What the heck would they have on 5 cds? Lol.
Corporate execs are more comfortable with a known brand name. Even though Mozilla (and FF, Camino, K-Meleon, etc) are based on the same code, they are not "Netscape". When execs are made aware of the faults and deficiencies of IE, they may think "I wish it was still like the old days, when we could at least choose between IE and Netscape." Lo and behold, here's Netscape 7.2. If you mention Opera or Firefox to them, you'd get blank stares.
Also, some of these execs want an all-in-one solution, not a perceived patchwork of FF+TB+whatever to meet basic internet needs.
Plus, "Mozilla" sounds like something only a geek could love. "Netscape" sounds like a polished product, like the marketing team actually spent more than 5 seconds to think of it. That's important to execs.
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After the announcement great joy and chatter could be heard throughout the cricket community.
I and some other people I know PREFER the Netscape integrated AIM. It doesn't throw popups at you by default, doesn't try to automatically log you in on startup, and looks better.
The integrated AIM is the selling point that will get me to upgrade to Netscape 7.2 from Mozilla 1.7.
A Netscape branded Firefox would be great. First of all because Firefox is a pretty stupid name, and regular users don't remember far back enough to associate Netscape with 'bloat' all the time. Making Firefox 1.0 The next Netscape Navigator would spread word-of-mouth even better than it is already. "Have you tried the new Netscape? It's really fast and no popups!"
With all of the press that's been run lately about the security holes with IE/OE this could not be better news for Gecko, Netscape and Mozilla. While I agree that most people will still ignore it and click on their little IE button, I would not be surprised if a lot of organizations' IT departments begin implementing Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird, what have you.
I only say this since I run a small newsgroup (not even tech related, though I field all the tech questions) and have convinced several users to use anything other than IE. While the transition for some of them was rough, they realized it was just as good, just different.
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Perhaps Paul Boutin (article's author) will be searching for a job pretty soon,... ;-)
That icon with the Mozilla critter behind the N, I was reminded a little of this.
Yes, indeed corporate execs would rather install a recognized brand like Netscape than an unknown 'brand' like Mozilla/FireFox/Thunderbird. However, they will only consider installing Netscape 7.2 when they are aware of its existence.
To bad Netscape 7.2 doesn't get half the attention in the press an average Microsoft product would get. With more / better press coverage more execs (and consumers) would be aware of Netscape 7.2, and consider installing it. It's up to the AOL/Netscape marketing department to generate the necessary press attention.
Absolute product superiority doesn't do any good for you if you don't know about the product, you have to know about the product before you acquire it*.
* I don't consider virii & spyware to be 'products', certainly not superior products.
Whilst many claim Firefox doesn't have the brand recognition that Internet Explorer does, it's getting a big push here in Australia.
:) :)
Take a look at the front cover of the Sydney Morning Herald.
You can read the full article here.
Kudos to MozillaZine for running an article on it.
So yeah... people in Aust. are taking firefox seriously... most Aust. sites are getting hammered if they are not FF friendly.
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However, when they heard "Netscape" they immediately think "buggy, bloated, slow", etc.
Unfortunately, many installations that are still running Netscape are running old versions on old (and slow) machines. You know... P166s in desktop cases attached to fuzzy and dim old 14" monitors with signs of impending death, and dither-tastic 256 color displays (which reminds me... does *anyone* still think about "web-safe" colors these days?)
This does not create the requisite feelgood vibes about Netscape.
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Wow, I hope when I install Netscape, it will add all of those AOL icons all over my system, plus some extra eBay icons, those are always useful. Plus the browser will probably be more bloated than Internet Explorer and there will be little hope of getting security patches, because the versions are so far appart.
Now with Mozilla, if there's a security issue, a patch is usually released within a day or two. You just can't expect the same quality from a product developed by AOL, remember, AOL owns Netscape, why the hell would you use their browser?
Netscape is dead, use Mozilla!
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Did anyone noticed that Office 2003 Service Pack 1 automatically sets IE as the default brower without even asking?
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Setting the user agent switcher to IE also provides a little bit more anonimity. It's a little bit too easy for my taste to spot the firefox-lovers in the access_logs.
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A very important point is the fact that now, if a business wants to roll out the browser, they have a corporate contact and a support partner in form of Netscape. Lack of a commercial entity behind a product is one of the biggest, if not THE biggest obstacles to adoption of a lot of FOSS in commercial IT.
This is exciting also because Mozilla is not just a browser, but an application framework - it happens to be a very nice toolkit for developing client-side GUIs. In a corporate environment with a lot of custom-rolled user interfaces, this is a very valuable tool; and even PHBs are pleased because there's Netscape to sign a support contract with.
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AOL still makes a lot of money off their Netscape.Com portal and there is still Netscape-branded server products.
As much as I wish they donated the name/domain too, they didn't. It would of been great if they did.
It's quite sad that some people try everything that they can to mod down the people on their enemy list. If you have that much time to burn, get a life or a job.
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How is IE bloated? Mozilla is slower and more bloated.
That's why I've installed Netscape 7.1 on my network; most users at least recognize the name, and thus have more of a comfort level when I tell them not to use IE. A vendor of ours asked me for advice on using a different browser. Just for funsies, I told him Mozilla, just to see what his reaction was.
He looked at me like I had just asked him to drink a glass of mud.
Branding matters.
One look said everything. Then I told him "just go to netscape.com and download navigator", and he brightened up, saying "Yeah, I think I'll do that". He was far more comfortable with a known name than with something that sounds like it slithers across the grass on a national geographic special.
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Actually you can remove it:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=312451
http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html
http://www.tweakxp.com/tweak1241.aspx
...for a start.
Or you can do what we do here: Install Firefox as the default browser, bury or remove IE icons, and change the start page of IE to an internal page which explains why IE is so bad.
The web browser and suite are named Navigator and Communicator respectively, not Netscape. They could have named the browser Mozilla Navigator and the suite Mozilla Communicator...which would have fixed the Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox issue. Note that donating Netscape would not have. It just would have changed from Mozilla to Netscape Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox.
The web browser part of Mozilla is still called Navigator in a few places. File, New, Navigator Window for example.
Okay. There's no Documentation. Someone tell me.
What's the difference between installing "Mozilla" and installing Firefox and Thunderbird in tandem?
And when are these tools going to realize they need to get some real documentation out?
Quit the browser confusion, Nestcape, Mozilla, Frefox, Camino...
Stick to one browser and improve on it. Finish off Firefox that is the best thing now to compete with Explorer forget everything else.
What can I say... NS 7.2 has been running fine here for about 3 weeks, and has not crashed ever since I installed it. Currently I have 20 running instances of the browser, each with around 6-8 web page tabs open. The new Netscape Toolbar, believe it or not, is handy, but you can also hide it if you don't like it. AIM and ICQ on a sidebar tab are... well, the same as 7.1, useful enough for me.
What a dumb post manavendra. Netscape 7.2 *IS* Mozilla 1.7, with the modern theme as the default (instead of the ugly Classic that Moz uses) The differences: 1. Different throbber 2. Different "splash screen" 3. Custom "Help" screens 4. AIM and ICQ coded in XUL, available in a sidebar tab (same as Netscape 7.1) 5. Support for @netscape.net proprietary webmail accounts as part of the email client. (@aol.com accounts can now use standard IMAP). 6. Latest Flash (and I hope, Java) bundled with the browser, unlike Mozilla which comes with no plugins. 7. A native XUL (xpi) implementation of the Netscape Toolbar. 8. Probably some other third party software bundled, for marketing reasons. You don't have to install it if you don't want it (select "Custom install).
I am a tech at a local school district. Recently I started installing Mozilla on all of our new machines. A few days later I was asked by my boss what the Mozilla thing was. My answer went something like this:
"Mozilla is an open source web browser."
Wrong answer. I was cut off after the first sentence. I went on trying to explain that Mozilla is Netscape without all of the added AOL garbage. He wouldn't get off the name.
Mozilla, that's a funny name. Well if it's like Netscape then just install Netscape. I don't want to see the Mozilla stuff installed on our machines."
I have continued to install Mozilla with just a few modifications. I have renamed the shortcut on the desktop to "Netscape," changed the icon, and disabled the startup splash-screen.
My boss didn't notice the difference.
I checked the Netscape web site, and today's August 3rd - I don't see Netscape 7.2 on the web page.. Did they change the date again?
Where can I find Netscape 7.2?