Sorry, you just said "rapists" and didn't elaborate. But aside from that, in your post above, you conflated other entirely separate crimes from rape, which were mostly murder or the "arranging" of murder, which can also be prosecuted as murder.
So from your own posts, it sounds like "just rape" doesn't justify execution, but "bad rape" (actually the different crimes of maiming or torture) does.
Is that right? Because it sounds more like you haven't thought this out very carefully, and just threw out a comment about people whose crimes you find abhorrent. Is that the right way to decide who dies, and what happens to their organs after?
How about kidnapping? That used to be a federal capital offense.
I didn't refer to soldiers. Parse the sentence; "people who take lives AND have forfeited theirs". Soldiers acting within the conventions of warfare obviously haven't forfeited theirs. See, I support the troops.
I don't agree with capital punishment, and didn't say I did.
See my other post about how I believe organ donation after execution is cruel and unusual.
But aren't the fruits of unethical behavior tainted? Try replacing "execution" with "unrestrained human medical experimentation", and "transplanted organs" with "new gene therapies to cure cancer". So, when we occasionally discover and stop illicit medical experimentation, it's okay to use the criminals' findings?
Oh, that's an easy one. The general populace would know that organs are harvested from executed prisoners. A condemned person would have every expectation that this would occur. The prospect that one's body would be sliced up and parceled out to other people after death would be extraordinarily cruel to many people (not to me, though; I'm a declared organ donor). Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have religious objections to organ donation.
Even for those with no religious objections, knowing they would be dismembered after death is horrific to some. Therefore, "cruel and unusual" (not "cruel and inhumane").
You do give me a good idea though - if this society is going to harvest the condemned to give some fat fuck a replacement liver, let's go all the way. Televise the executions, and execute the condemned by vivisection, without anesthesia. Make those on organ waiting lists watch. At least that would be more honest than pretending we're civilized by carving people up in secret.
I agree. You're not an MD, and are unlikely to have any qualification whatsoever to draw meaningful conclusions from the summary or god forbid, if you read the article.
I'm not really poking fun, there's no reason not to post an opinion you pulled out of your ass here, you're not responsible in any way for the science.
You support a penalty of death-by-organ-donation for rapists? Really? And what did the "other assorted bad guys" in your post do, drug dealing, armed robbery, theft?
Have you really thought this through, and are you actually that eager to carve up other people into spare parts? Do you want to live in a society that does that?
People who take lives and have forfeited theirs (if you agree with the idea of capital punishment in the first place) are still humans, with basic human rights. Taking their organs without their permission, or coercing them into "donating" would not pass constitutional scrutiny in the U.S., and would probably be deemed "cruel and unusual."
We could always amend the Constitution, but while I enjoy Larry Niven's Known Space stories, I wouldn't like to give government an incentive to harvest the organs of citizens. Look at for-profit prisons, which already have a large and powerful lobby. Imagine an organ-trading industry, always hungry for fresh meat.
And since there's no such thing as "karma", no, that's not a good reason either.
Clearly we need to spend a few trillion more to find out the answer.
No, not at all. It would only cost a few tens of millions to keep "studying" the problem until everyone agrees it's too late to do anything about it. Either of the Koch brothers could just write a check. And in 100 years their descendants will still be rich enough to live on the new coastlines... wherever they wind up.
FYI, the reason it matters what we call it is that there's a U.S. law that requires we cut off funding to perpetrators of a coup. So when the administration refuses to call it a coup, they're not being idiots or spinning it for "simple folk", they are simply trying to avoid obeying the law. Try following the news, it's been everywhere since the coup.
Given the fact that automatic translations still frequently produce gibberish, i'm extremely skeptical that these "systems and methods" will produce anything helpfull to the student. However entertaining the endresult may be, i fear it will look more like a dadaist collage than a shakespearean play. As to the patent application: "I do know of these that therefore only are reputed wise for saying nothing.", as the Bard has it.
If it really did look like a "dadaist collage" then that would ALSO be valuable. A part of every child's education should include the surreal and iconoclastic. The Dada movement was extremely good at that. Also Andy Kaufman.
How else will people be able to process their experience when they happen on an old urinal in a museum exhibit?
They tried it in Egypt, and the army said, "no, you're doing it wrong". Actually it was more like, "no, you might cut into our profits", so... no Democracy for you!
Uh.. Does this mean someone can sue me if I take a lower paying job?!?
I hope not, because if you're anywhere near average, that is your future career path, to take lower and lower salaries until your function is completely replaced by younger people even hungrier than you.
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"death metal musician" is an oxymoron.
Except for Dethklok.
Of course, 1,000 GHz should be fast enough for anyone...
Sorry, you just said "rapists" and didn't elaborate. But aside from that, in your post above, you conflated other entirely separate crimes from rape, which were mostly murder or the "arranging" of murder, which can also be prosecuted as murder.
So from your own posts, it sounds like "just rape" doesn't justify execution, but "bad rape" (actually the different crimes of maiming or torture) does.
Is that right? Because it sounds more like you haven't thought this out very carefully, and just threw out a comment about people whose crimes you find abhorrent. Is that the right way to decide who dies, and what happens to their organs after?
How about kidnapping? That used to be a federal capital offense.
I didn't refer to soldiers. Parse the sentence; "people who take lives AND have forfeited theirs". Soldiers acting within the conventions of warfare obviously haven't forfeited theirs. See, I support the troops.
I don't agree with capital punishment, and didn't say I did.
See my other post about how I believe organ donation after execution is cruel and unusual.
But aren't the fruits of unethical behavior tainted? Try replacing "execution" with "unrestrained human medical experimentation", and "transplanted organs" with "new gene therapies to cure cancer". So, when we occasionally discover and stop illicit medical experimentation, it's okay to use the criminals' findings?
Oh, that's an easy one. The general populace would know that organs are harvested from executed prisoners. A condemned person would have every expectation that this would occur. The prospect that one's body would be sliced up and parceled out to other people after death would be extraordinarily cruel to many people (not to me, though; I'm a declared organ donor). Jehovah's Witnesses and Christian Scientists have religious objections to organ donation.
Even for those with no religious objections, knowing they would be dismembered after death is horrific to some. Therefore, "cruel and unusual" (not "cruel and inhumane").
You do give me a good idea though - if this society is going to harvest the condemned to give some fat fuck a replacement liver, let's go all the way. Televise the executions, and execute the condemned by vivisection, without anesthesia. Make those on organ waiting lists watch. At least that would be more honest than pretending we're civilized by carving people up in secret.
I agree. You're not an MD, and are unlikely to have any qualification whatsoever to draw meaningful conclusions from the summary or god forbid, if you read the article.
I'm not really poking fun, there's no reason not to post an opinion you pulled out of your ass here, you're not responsible in any way for the science.
You support a penalty of death-by-organ-donation for rapists? Really? And what did the "other assorted bad guys" in your post do, drug dealing, armed robbery, theft?
Have you really thought this through, and are you actually that eager to carve up other people into spare parts? Do you want to live in a society that does that?
People who take lives and have forfeited theirs (if you agree with the idea of capital punishment in the first place) are still humans, with basic human rights. Taking their organs without their permission, or coercing them into "donating" would not pass constitutional scrutiny in the U.S., and would probably be deemed "cruel and unusual."
We could always amend the Constitution, but while I enjoy Larry Niven's Known Space stories, I wouldn't like to give government an incentive to harvest the organs of citizens. Look at for-profit prisons, which already have a large and powerful lobby. Imagine an organ-trading industry, always hungry for fresh meat.
And since there's no such thing as "karma", no, that's not a good reason either.
...and mandate drugs to counteract whatever ails them.
Like in Larry Niven's Known Space series; registered schizophrenics were required to be medicated or face liquidation in the organ banks.
Or as in Brave New World, or THX-1138. Those worked out well.
...people are still using Facebook?
I came within a hair of spraying Coke on my monitor when I read that.
Not buying it about "simple folk" - that doesn't make any sense in the context.
And that wasn't a Freudian slip. (No pun intended.)
Short answer: No, with an "if".
Long answer: Yes, with a "but".
Which equals - No answer at all................
Clearly we need to spend a few trillion more to find out the answer.
No, not at all. It would only cost a few tens of millions to keep "studying" the problem until everyone agrees it's too late to do anything about it. Either of the Koch brothers could just write a check. And in 100 years their descendants will still be rich enough to live on the new coastlines... wherever they wind up.
FYI, the reason it matters what we call it is that there's a U.S. law that requires we cut off funding to perpetrators of a coup. So when the administration refuses to call it a coup, they're not being idiots or spinning it for "simple folk", they are simply trying to avoid obeying the law. Try following the news, it's been everywhere since the coup.
But at least when Culture meddles, it's kind of fun. For a small number of people. And the drones get lots of killing in.
Given the fact that automatic translations still frequently produce gibberish, i'm extremely skeptical that these "systems and methods" will produce anything helpfull to the student. However entertaining the endresult may be, i fear it will look more like a dadaist collage than a shakespearean play. As to the patent application: "I do know of these that therefore only are reputed wise for saying nothing.", as the Bard has it.
If it really did look like a "dadaist collage" then that would ALSO be valuable. A part of every child's education should include the surreal and iconoclastic. The Dada movement was extremely good at that. Also Andy Kaufman.
How else will people be able to process their experience when they happen on an old urinal in a museum exhibit?
They tried it in Egypt, and the army said, "no, you're doing it wrong". Actually it was more like, "no, you might cut into our profits", so... no Democracy for you!
Uh.. Does this mean someone can sue me if I take a lower paying job?!?
I hope not, because if you're anywhere near average, that is your future career path, to take lower and lower salaries until your function is completely replaced by younger people even hungrier than you.
Thank goodness, a level-headed, rational viewpoint.
Come have a beer with me - drive your 100.00000000000000% reliable and totally safe car to my neighborhood.
The problem is the jerk next door who used those initial foundry materials to train combat troops, who come over and take *our* foundry.
I suck at RTS's because I hate them. Or vice versa.
Reading comprehension - it's not just for smart people! :-)
I didn't refer to the motivation of Schlage, but of the assertion in TFS. As I said. Twice.
I think it's another factor at work, not the suggestion I live in Detroit or some other den of scum and villainy (as you imply).
:-)
Maybe you just have an exceptionally untrustworthy face? I know I don't trust what you typed and I haven't even seen your face.
"How much intelligence do you need to sneak up on a leaf?"