It isn't that- people keep coming up with that because you don't precisely have to pay anything for it.
What they don't further understand is that it's not covered BY the UCC at all, even if it was for pay. It's covered under Copyright law- it's a reproduction and derivative works license grant, which confuses the HELL out of anyone unfamiliar with producing Protected Work(s) or protecting them. They're used to EULAs and the lot. They're not used to the types of license grants that authors give publishers, etc. because they're not normally exposed to anything of the sort unless they're in that space, either as an artist, OSS developer, inventor, or a Copyright/Patent/Trademark attorney.
Being that it's solidly established as part of Copyright (even GPL v. 3) Law, there's NOTHING unconstitutional about it- and if there is, all the RIAA and MPAA people, as well as all the magazine and book publishers have got a LOT more problems on their horizon beyond "pirates" >;-)
It is NO damned different if you use a Proprietary Licensed product within your embedded device- if you fail to abide by the terms of the license grant for the protected Work(s) you are using, you can expect to get your ass sued at some point if it is found out that you're doing it.
It doesn't matter if it's GPLed. It doesn't matter if it's MIT/X11 licensed. It doesn't matter if from Microsoft under an EULA or one of the Shared Source licenses.
If you breach the terms of the licensing, you're guilty of breaking at least a civil contract if not outright Patent or Copyright infringement- PERIOD.
There's no 'intricacies' involved with OSS in the first place- they're simpler licenses to follow.
I'd be leery of dealing with anyone selling proprietary anything these days because of those 'intricacies' that are ALWAYS present with most proprietary products.
Name of the game: Don't Cheat. Don't Get Greedy. Abide by the license terms, whatever they might be.
I think the snarky remark at the end of the GP post implied that we need less unionization.
Perhaps this is the case. But, as long as we have the system we have in the world today (we aren't anywhere near the utopia Star Trek presented...) then we need something in place as the tendency of most human beings is to screw the other people around them over to at least some extent.
I'm not sure what needs to be done- but something DOES need to be done there.
In the end, the situation the GP poster presented is upside down and cockeyed from what really needs to be happening. The current situation results in a tendency to NOT get education, etc. and could be considered to be a cause of some of the malaise that people keep bemoaning about in this and other countries. Without that education, etc. this and any other country ends up eventually becoming a third world player. In the end, Rome didn't fall because of the "barbarians", that was just the final blow to that empire. It was apathy and the very things you're seeing happening in the GP post that brought it down.
In the case of the class of devices in question...
Switch is depressed by the thumb. Kill them or ko them the thumb is RELEASED and the bomb goes off. There's a device monitoring the pulse. Kill them, the pulse stops, the bomb goes off.
Either of which situation, shooting the person is the WRONG thing. You need to be thinking like the terrorists to handle them. I do not pretend to even begin to know these crazy people, but I do work with people that DO know something about this. The police need to be trained better or they need to be told to just contain the problem until help arrives or they and the people around them are seriously endangered before acting. What they did wasn't even remotely close to that.
In this case, I am afraid that the parties to blame would be Virgin and to a larger extent the photographer. Virgin has an out- IF they did their due dilligence. In this case, since it's not a stock photo agency (Sorry, CC doesn't absolve them of this requirement...) they should have verified with the professional photographer that he had the model release. No psychic powers needed there- they do it with other independent photographers- CC doesn't magically make it something for Virgin and their Ad people to not do their checking. And, even if it does absolve them, CC's not someone the people could sue- only the photographer is liable at that point.
The lawsuit, as it's framed is silly. They should be suing Virgin, their Ad agency if they used one, and the photographer.
Shooting them with a gun is an equally BAD idea. The bunch we're so damn paranoid about have the tendency to have dead-man switches, possibly multiple types- shoot 'em, they die, they go BOOOM.
Again, the response, and the comments are ABJECTLY inappropriate for the situation, even if it WAS a terrorist.
For the average programmer, it's somewhat hard. For the developer that has done...
One of the first commercially fielded Embedded Linux systems... One of the developers that made accelerated OpenGL initially possible on Linux... Many massively distributed client/server systems... Developed software for over 18 years and still going...
It's relatively simple.
But then, I should have known, I'm posting on/. where nobody can be bothered to do a little bit of background on a person before making comments like yours...
Slashdot...the online, electronic equivalent to the monkey house in any zoo- right down to the poo flingers...
It was just a rumor- Id's never really announced Linux support for any of the titles you've done over the years until at least near the beta test time. I didn't expect anything less than that now.
It's greatly appreciated that you've spoken up to quell the rumors.
Now...do you have the interested programmer in hand yet (TTimo??) or are you looking for a new one? >:-)
That'd be my take on things. They're not trying to fix the real problem with the system.
Amazon's One-Click patent should never have happened. There's a vast SEA of patents that're the same way (Just putting the Internet in the mix seems to be a magic formula for making something patentable these days...)
Fix that stupidity and you'd go a long way to fixing the patent problem.
Heh... It's still something that they have to contemplate, even if it's a, "Think about it, shudder, and then go looking for the brain bleach" type of contemplation. >:-)
In reality, it depends on how salted the code is with DirectX. The rendering engine is the rendering engine, etc. I worked on the very type of game you mention- it's not as hard as everyone KEEPS making it sound like. To be sure, I'm probably making it sound easy- it's NOT. It's just not an impossibility that it seems to be in most people's minds; which is why I keep stating this EVERY time someone brings up the subject.
Not really... There's already ARB extensions for the tech enhancements for DX10 that're now being implemented by ATI and NVidia right now for OpenGL under Windows AND Linux. For now, it might be the case, but you might want to pause for that latest shiny- the prognosis for DX10 titles hasn't been all that good. It's my understanding that many of the people are having fits trying to get framerates up.
Considering that it's not just MacOS or Linux, but...
MacOS Linux Playstation 3 Anything else under the sun with enough muscle that follows on.
Just because Windows is the dominant platform, leaving 15-25% of the rest of the market on the floor is a bad business decision, especially if you're in the market to sell game engines. Besides, John's already indicated that there will be a MacOS and a PS3 version of the title anyhow- this is all a moot discussion because they've already MADE the design choices to allow all of this and aren't shifting from them.
This is more due to Vista's insistence on pushing the driver layer one part up the chain.
ATI's and NVidia's drivers are talking to a Vista abstraction layer to accomplish what they're doing. They're only sort of talking directly to the hardware. Everything's about 10-15% slower, even DirectX.
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...anyone makes a remark like that... I'd be filthy stinking rich.
1) Id abstracts the hell out of everything. OpenGL isn't ON X-Box, now is it? But there's Id titles on that platform. There's a hint there- it's easier to abstract things and produces portable code. It's also very MUCH worth mentioning that DirectX is only available on ONE of the dominant consoles, and on only ONE of the dominant OS platforms. This is about making as much or more money on ENGINE SALES as the game itself. Making a DirectX only engine is limiting as hell for that prospect (No PS3. No Wii. No MacOS.).
2) It's NOT all that difficult to make a port from DirectX to OpenGL. It's been done. I had a hand in one of them. The damn game that I had a hand in porting would have shipped about 12-14 months earlier if the other two team members hadn't boggled on us and we ended up having a few 11th hour bugs that had NOTHING to do with the porting effort from DirectX to OpenGL.
3) Id has NEVER, to the best of my recollection, announced anything other than Windows versions of ANY of their titles or engines that are currently in development. Suppositions about whether they're ditching Linux or not is just rattling to hear one's own voice at this point.
They're doing something along those lines with the GPU space. Technically, a GPU is little more than a stream processor. Something you can do 3D graphics with, or DSP, or Physics, etc. I still have to wonder what they were thinking when they snapped up Havok. They are in the Silicon business predominately- doing some specialized libraries that help highlight their chips that occasionally get used, mostly because while it makes Intel's chips look good, they don't do as hot on all things with AMD CPUs. So, typically, people avoid their libs for anything production like a game.
In the case of the OpenGL extensions, you TYPICALLY ask for what you'd like to run with and the driver tells you- typically, the drivers don't have software fallback modes for things turned on by default; so what is supported is what is reported so long as the driver is working. In the case of DirectX, the thing will tell you all kinds of things are available when, yeah, they ARE available...as a software fallback...
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It isn't that- people keep coming up with that because you don't precisely have to pay anything for it.
What they don't further understand is that it's not covered BY the UCC at all, even if it was for pay.
It's covered under Copyright law- it's a reproduction and derivative works license grant, which confuses
the HELL out of anyone unfamiliar with producing Protected Work(s) or protecting them. They're used to
EULAs and the lot. They're not used to the types of license grants that authors give publishers, etc.
because they're not normally exposed to anything of the sort unless they're in that space, either as
an artist, OSS developer, inventor, or a Copyright/Patent/Trademark attorney.
Being that it's solidly established as part of Copyright (even GPL v. 3) Law, there's NOTHING unconstitutional
about it- and if there is, all the RIAA and MPAA people, as well as all the magazine and book publishers
have got a LOT more problems on their horizon beyond "pirates" >;-)
It is NO damned different if you use a Proprietary Licensed product within your embedded device-
if you fail to abide by the terms of the license grant for the protected Work(s) you are using, you
can expect to get your ass sued at some point if it is found out that you're doing it.
It doesn't matter if it's GPLed.
It doesn't matter if it's MIT/X11 licensed.
It doesn't matter if from Microsoft under an EULA or one of the Shared Source licenses.
If you breach the terms of the licensing, you're guilty of breaking at least a civil contract if not
outright Patent or Copyright infringement- PERIOD.
There's no 'intricacies' involved with OSS in the first place- they're simpler licenses to follow.
I'd be leery of dealing with anyone selling proprietary anything these days because of those 'intricacies'
that are ALWAYS present with most proprietary products.
Name of the game: Don't Cheat. Don't Get Greedy. Abide by the license terms, whatever they might be.
What if you're running on a PowerPC Linux box, amongst other things?
No Flash plugin there for you. It's not about refusals, per se.
Indeed.
I think the snarky remark at the end of the GP post implied that we need less unionization.
Perhaps this is the case. But, as long as we have the system we have in the world
today (we aren't anywhere near the utopia Star Trek presented...) then we need something
in place as the tendency of most human beings is to screw the other people around them
over to at least some extent.
I'm not sure what needs to be done- but something DOES need to be done there.
In the end, the situation the GP poster presented is upside down and cockeyed from what really
needs to be happening. The current situation results in a tendency to NOT get education, etc.
and could be considered to be a cause of some of the malaise that people keep bemoaning about
in this and other countries. Without that education, etc. this and any other country ends
up eventually becoming a third world player. In the end, Rome didn't fall because of the
"barbarians", that was just the final blow to that empire. It was apathy and the very things
you're seeing happening in the GP post that brought it down.
In the case of the class of devices in question...
Switch is depressed by the thumb. Kill them or ko them the thumb is RELEASED and the bomb goes off.
There's a device monitoring the pulse. Kill them, the pulse stops, the bomb goes off.
Either of which situation, shooting the person is the WRONG thing. You need to be thinking like
the terrorists to handle them. I do not pretend to even begin to know these crazy people, but I
do work with people that DO know something about this. The police need to be trained better or
they need to be told to just contain the problem until help arrives or they and the people around
them are seriously endangered before acting. What they did wasn't even remotely close to that.
At which point, everyone saying Virgin and the Ad people did their part should probably rethink their line there.
In this case, I am afraid that the parties to blame would be Virgin and to a larger extent the
photographer. Virgin has an out- IF they did their due dilligence. In this case, since it's
not a stock photo agency (Sorry, CC doesn't absolve them of this requirement...) they should
have verified with the professional photographer that he had the model release. No psychic powers
needed there- they do it with other independent photographers- CC doesn't magically make it something
for Virgin and their Ad people to not do their checking. And, even if it does absolve them,
CC's not someone the people could sue- only the photographer is liable at that point.
The lawsuit, as it's framed is silly. They should be suing Virgin, their Ad agency if they used one,
and the photographer.
Shooting them with a gun is an equally BAD idea. The bunch we're so damn paranoid about have the tendency
to have dead-man switches, possibly multiple types- shoot 'em, they die, they go BOOOM.
Again, the response, and the comments are ABJECTLY inappropriate for the situation, even if it WAS a terrorist.
This is the damn town where they EOD-ed friggin' light-bright type LED magnet signs, thinking they were terrorist devices.
Think long and hard about it.
For the average programmer, it's somewhat hard. For the developer that has done...
/. where nobody can be bothered to do
One of the first commercially fielded Embedded Linux systems...
One of the developers that made accelerated OpenGL initially possible on Linux...
Many massively distributed client/server systems...
Developed software for over 18 years and still going...
It's relatively simple.
But then, I should have known, I'm posting on
a little bit of background on a person before making comments like yours...
Slashdot...the online, electronic equivalent to the monkey house in any zoo- right
down to the poo flingers...
As I've been telling people...
It was just a rumor- Id's never really announced Linux support for any of the titles
you've done over the years until at least near the beta test time. I didn't expect
anything less than that now.
It's greatly appreciated that you've spoken up to quell the rumors.
Now...do you have the interested programmer in hand yet (TTimo??) or are you looking for a new one? >:-)
That'd be my take on things. They're not trying to fix the real problem with the system.
Amazon's One-Click patent should never have happened. There's a vast SEA of patents that're the same way (Just
putting the Internet in the mix seems to be a magic formula for making something patentable these days...)
Fix that stupidity and you'd go a long way to fixing the patent problem.
Heh... It's still something that they have to contemplate, even if it's a, "Think about it, shudder, and then go looking for the brain bleach" type of contemplation. >:-)
I wish I could GIVE you one... But, unfortunately, my former client (one of the GPU players...) would have my ass over breaching an NDA... >:-)
Considering that they're largely only syntactically different, and that AMD happened to release a converter from HLSL to GLSL...
In reality, it depends on how salted the code is with DirectX. The rendering engine is the rendering engine, etc. I worked on the very type of game you mention- it's not as hard as everyone KEEPS making it sound like. To be sure, I'm probably making it sound easy- it's NOT. It's just not an impossibility that it seems to be in most people's minds; which is why I keep stating this EVERY time someone brings up the subject.
The performance hit you're seeing is a design misfeature from Vista.
All OpenGL implementations will see this hit.
All DirectX implementations not running fullscreen will see it too- just not as badly.
Not really... There's already ARB extensions for the tech enhancements for DX10 that're now being implemented by ATI and NVidia right now for OpenGL under Windows AND Linux. For now, it might be the case, but you might want to pause for that latest shiny- the prognosis for DX10 titles hasn't been all that good. It's my understanding that many of the people are having fits trying to get framerates up.
Considering that it's not just MacOS or Linux, but...
MacOS
Linux
Playstation 3
Anything else under the sun with enough muscle that follows on.
Just because Windows is the dominant platform, leaving 15-25% of the rest of the market on the floor
is a bad business decision, especially if you're in the market to sell game engines. Besides, John's
already indicated that there will be a MacOS and a PS3 version of the title anyhow- this is all a moot
discussion because they've already MADE the design choices to allow all of this and aren't shifting
from them.
This is more due to Vista's insistence on pushing the driver layer one part up the chain.
ATI's and NVidia's drivers are talking to a Vista abstraction layer to accomplish what they're doing.
They're only sort of talking directly to the hardware. Everything's about 10-15% slower, even DirectX.
...anyone makes a remark like that... I'd be filthy stinking rich.
1) Id abstracts the hell out of everything. OpenGL isn't ON X-Box, now is it? But there's Id titles on that platform. There's a hint there- it's easier to abstract things and produces portable code. It's also very MUCH worth mentioning that DirectX is only available on ONE of the dominant consoles, and on only ONE of the dominant OS platforms. This is about making as much or more money on ENGINE SALES as the game itself. Making a DirectX only engine is limiting as hell for that prospect (No PS3. No Wii. No MacOS.).
2) It's NOT all that difficult to make a port from DirectX to OpenGL. It's been done. I had a hand in one of them. The damn game that I had a hand in porting would have shipped about 12-14 months earlier if the other two team members hadn't boggled on us and we ended up having a few 11th hour bugs that had NOTHING to do with the porting effort from DirectX to OpenGL.
3) Id has NEVER, to the best of my recollection, announced anything other than Windows versions of ANY of their titles or engines that are currently in development. Suppositions about whether they're ditching Linux or not is just rattling to hear one's own voice at this point.
And you're lame. Sometimes I make a mistake typing, but I guess you're an ass all the time- spelling flames done as an anonymous coward...
Shouldn't you be specifying it in terms of Station Wagons of 1Tb SATA disks?
(After all, DLT's are so yesteryear themselves...)
They're doing something along those lines with the GPU space. Technically, a GPU is little more than a stream processor. Something
you can do 3D graphics with, or DSP, or Physics, etc. I still have to wonder what they were thinking when they snapped up Havok.
They are in the Silicon business predominately- doing some specialized libraries that help highlight their chips that occasionally
get used, mostly because while it makes Intel's chips look good, they don't do as hot on all things with AMD CPUs. So, typically,
people avoid their libs for anything production like a game.
In the case of the OpenGL extensions, you TYPICALLY ask for what you'd like to run with and the driver tells you- typically,
the drivers don't have software fallback modes for things turned on by default; so what is supported is what is reported
so long as the driver is working. In the case of DirectX, the thing will tell you all kinds of things are available when,
yeah, they ARE available...as a software fallback...