If there are any marinas around, you will likely find pure gas.
This is because ethanol in most forms bonds with water easily and will even pull water from the humidity in the air. This isn't good around lakes and with vehicles intended to be on bodies of water.
However, it will likely cost a premium to get. Probably because it is a niche market or perhaps the lack of an additive oxygenate in the fuel which ethanol is supposed to be (as a replacement for MTBE)
Isn't there some stupid tax issue with this? Marina gas is exempt from the highway tax or something? I recall the issue coming up decades ago when a couple of boat owners were talking about it, but I seriously don't know what the answer is today.
The energy density of gasoline is higher than with ethanol, so the more ethanol you add the more you "dilute" the energy contained in a particular volume.
Though the knock resistance is higher because of the lower energy. So if you have a high compression engine that "requires" 91 or higher, and you have a choice of 87 "pure" or ~95 E85, you may see better mileage and performance from the "lower energy" E85.
Going with a six-pack traditional carb setup too because MPFI additional expense on a small block is just not justified.
Unless you are bumping the compression and using parts in your restoration good to 8k+ RPM, in which case FI is required for accuracy and volume (especially accuracy at high volume).
No, I am staying in factory range on this 318, around 6,500 redline. Caming it to deliver the horsepower and tq. at the low end, since I will be using it mostly at 1,500 and below. Plus, radical cams mess with the vacuum too much for the outboard carbs to open and close when they are supposed to, according to the big guy at Hensley and others.
I restored a 75 CB550, had to do the same thing with mixed results. The biggest issue is higher exhaust temps, which I combat by adding top end oil. Works better than going richer on the jets and does not leave the carbon buildup richer jets leave on the piston.
I use Mobile 1 in everything already, but the new exhaust is going to be ceramic coated with thermal lining. New forged pistons/rods, and aluminum heads too. Trying to figure out a way to hide all that cast-in badging on the intake and heads I want to use, since part of the look I want for the engine is "if the factory made a 318 Six-Pack, it would look like this" sort of deal. Yes, I am one of those paint the aluminum to look stock kinda sleeper guys:)
Consumers can always factor that in if they wish. Other things are factors too, convenience of the station is pretty close to the top. People around where I live who say "they all charge the same price" really don't get out much. Find a different cluster of stations, and you will find a new price, which is not hard to do even in cities of 175,000 people.
but with motorcycles, ethanol has continually given Carbs troubles by promoting gas that gets all sorts of bacteria growing in it within a week due to the ethanol being a great thriving place for it.
I hate ethanol and it ruins motorcycles really quickly:(
Have you tried a fuel drying agent? The bacteria is growing because the ethanol absorbs water and gives it a medium to grow. Straight petrol products do that too, at a lesser extent.
2012 honda insight runs the e10 fine but gets better mileage using 0% ethanol gas from the local marina, ive had to rebuild the fuel system on my 65 datsun van because of the ethanol eating the hoses.
That is why as I restore my 1972 Charger, she is getting ethanol compatible gaskets and lines. Going with a six-pack traditional carb setup too because MPFI additional expense on a small block is just not justified.
From the post above:
I seem to get better mileage with all-gas, but the circumstances haven't been controlled enough to make a good comparison.
The energy density of gasoline is higher than with ethanol, so the more ethanol you add the more you "dilute" the energy contained in a particular volume. One thing the ethanol seems pretty good for is cleaning out your fuel system. If you are in an area where they seasonally increase the ethanol you might want to change that fuel filter a tank or two after the swap. Also, a fuel drying additive is a good idea if you have any ethanol, because that stuff collects water like mad. Keeping the water in solution reduces fuel tank corrosion.
They list their peering policy as Selective in their peeringdb entry https://www.peeringdb.com/priv.... They should have an open peering policy. Or is only open if you are a interesting content provider?
Probably. So what is wrong with that? "Interesting" to Google Fiber would be a content provider that is starting to use up enough transit bandwidth that it makes sense to move them to a peering port. That is always how things have worked on the Internet.
Exactly. And it sounds like a beautiful market solution without any ugly bureaucrats mucking up the works, yet.
There are plenty of examples of bad actors out there, as the example I gave (Union Pacific without naming them), because I oppose their method. Great Northern did not make it across the continent in the 1800s doing what they did, later behavior is not part of the example.
The problem is when, say, Comcast slows down legal streaming movie sites because they want to sell you their cable service in addition, or if NewMovieCorp.com gets worse bandwidth than Netflix. That hurts competition.
I fully agree that is a problem, see my statement about false advertising. As for hurting competition, dishonest dealing is a bad but quick way for competitors to the swindler to emerge.
Yea, just like everything else. Regulated does not mean owned by the government, like the Dulles Toll Road, it means government is sticking its nose in where it shouldn't.
Good lord, the used bookstore here has the most crowded parking lot of them all and you can't drink anything in there either, plus they have free wifi too.
Your notion that government has to push everybody around to get what you want is nonsense.
That's easy to do when nobody lives there yet. The land was up for grabs and he grabbed it.
That doesn't work so well in a populated area.
Your solution is theft and force. If you want to use someone's property, you should have to get their permission. If that includes a lease and payment, fine as long as it is voluntary. If it includes purchase outright, so be it, so long as it is a voluntary exchange. Initiating violence is not the answer, no matter how bad you want your fiber.
Two parallel roads, one private and well maintained that charges a toll, the other a free mess nobody wants to use.
Where? Pictures?
Government approved monopoly wires going into a factory, that is constantly running generators because the utility power quality sucks.
Same questions? And that shouldn't include co-generation where a byproduct of the factory's production happens to be most practically disposed of by running a generator.
People choosing to use Starbucks WiFi over the public library, the latter that most of them are already paying for.
Or more likely, because they want coffee and the library doesn't serve it.
Look up Dulles Greenway, Seriously, this cannot be that hard to find out by anybody.
Yea, bummer you can't even drink coffee in some libraries, much less buy it there. Before you suggest forcing SBX to cater at the library, take a look at a Barnes & Noble.
More likely there just won't be any services at all.
The notion that if the government does not do it, it will not get done at all is proven wrong all the time. Like with trash collection, fire service, or ambulance service in many places right here in the US.
And if property owners are not forced to let them lay it free across their property, the actual cost of the service will be better reflected in the price. The truly efficient will prevail, and those who are just good at sucking up to or bribing officials will wither.
If you don't find the sort of pants you want in the market, you can go start making your own and compete; if you don't like the railways, you can't start laying down tracks next to Amtrak's and Conrail's.
James J. Hill, creator of the Great Northern Railroad managed to span the continent without your precious eminent domain land grabs and special easements for tycoons. His transcontinental railroad is still running on the same routs, unlike that Lincoln version that was ripped up during WWII. Want to try again?
I have no problem giving awesome speed to their own subsidiary content providers.
I have a problem with deliberately hindering particular providers when their contract with home users says they will provide certain rates of speed that the home user pays for. That is fraud.
If I am reading you right, you disagree with fraud and false advertising, but I repeat myself (and you). I disagree with them too.
The notion that there are not already "internet fast lanes" is puzzling (not directed at you), because there have been ever since the first rate plan gave the consumer a speed or volume choice.
Additionally, the network owner should be the final arbiter on what crosses their network, even if they make decisions we find stupid. Someone else will come along and compete with them. Typically the place where that competition is hindered is by the folks many here are begging to intervene. Governments with police power at all levels.
Good old Leo Laporte points out all the time that localities treat ISPs as utilities and give them monopolies on the last mile. He never advocates to eliminate the government enforced monopoly status, his "solution" is the same as when ITT and other telegraph companies was forced to take phone traffic across their lines, i.e., government mandated trespass across their networks. He never suggests banning the practice of government granted monopoly.
My telephone cord at work has been like this for years.
If only any of us had thought of a catchy name for that shape, rather than cursing when we tried to use the phone, we would be on the cover of Slashdot too.
Other guess, just someone at the manufacturer who wanted to do it that way. However, that does not stop NSA from discovering it in 2 seconds and exploiting it too.
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Organic gas is the planet safe alternative.
If there are any marinas around, you will likely find pure gas.
This is because ethanol in most forms bonds with water easily and will even pull water from the humidity in the air. This isn't good around lakes and with vehicles intended to be on bodies of water.
However, it will likely cost a premium to get. Probably because it is a niche market or perhaps the lack of an additive oxygenate in the fuel which ethanol is supposed to be (as a replacement for MTBE)
Isn't there some stupid tax issue with this? Marina gas is exempt from the highway tax or something? I recall the issue coming up decades ago when a couple of boat owners were talking about it, but I seriously don't know what the answer is today.
The energy density of gasoline is higher than with ethanol, so the more ethanol you add the more you "dilute" the energy contained in a particular volume.
Though the knock resistance is higher because of the lower energy. So if you have a high compression engine that "requires" 91 or higher, and you have a choice of 87 "pure" or ~95 E85, you may see better mileage and performance from the "lower energy" E85.
Going with a six-pack traditional carb setup too because MPFI additional expense on a small block is just not justified.
Unless you are bumping the compression and using parts in your restoration good to 8k+ RPM, in which case FI is required for accuracy and volume (especially accuracy at high volume).
No, I am staying in factory range on this 318, around 6,500 redline. Caming it to deliver the horsepower and tq. at the low end, since I will be using it mostly at 1,500 and below. Plus, radical cams mess with the vacuum too much for the outboard carbs to open and close when they are supposed to, according to the big guy at Hensley and others.
I restored a 75 CB550, had to do the same thing with mixed results. The biggest issue is higher exhaust temps, which I combat by adding top end oil. Works better than going richer on the jets and does not leave the carbon buildup richer jets leave on the piston.
I use Mobile 1 in everything already, but the new exhaust is going to be ceramic coated with thermal lining. New forged pistons/rods, and aluminum heads too. Trying to figure out a way to hide all that cast-in badging on the intake and heads I want to use, since part of the look I want for the engine is "if the factory made a 318 Six-Pack, it would look like this" sort of deal. Yes, I am one of those paint the aluminum to look stock kinda sleeper guys :)
Also, a fuel drying additive is a good idea if you have any ethanol, because that stuff collects water like mad.
You do know what fuel-drying solutions are made of, right???
Keeping the water in solution reduces fuel tank corrosion.
Which is exactly what ethanol does...
C3H8O != C2H6O
Consumers can always factor that in if they wish. Other things are factors too, convenience of the station is pretty close to the top. People around where I live who say "they all charge the same price" really don't get out much. Find a different cluster of stations, and you will find a new price, which is not hard to do even in cities of 175,000 people.
but with motorcycles, ethanol has continually given Carbs troubles by promoting gas that gets all sorts of bacteria growing in it within a week due to the ethanol being a great thriving place for it.
I hate ethanol and it ruins motorcycles really quickly :(
Have you tried a fuel drying agent? The bacteria is growing because the ethanol absorbs water and gives it a medium to grow. Straight petrol products do that too, at a lesser extent.
2012 honda insight runs the e10 fine but gets better mileage using 0% ethanol gas from the local marina, ive had to rebuild the fuel system on my 65 datsun van because of the ethanol eating the hoses.
That is why as I restore my 1972 Charger, she is getting ethanol compatible gaskets and lines. Going with a six-pack traditional carb setup too because MPFI additional expense on a small block is just not justified.
From the post above:
The energy density of gasoline is higher than with ethanol, so the more ethanol you add the more you "dilute" the energy contained in a particular volume. One thing the ethanol seems pretty good for is cleaning out your fuel system. If you are in an area where they seasonally increase the ethanol you might want to change that fuel filter a tank or two after the swap. Also, a fuel drying additive is a good idea if you have any ethanol, because that stuff collects water like mad. Keeping the water in solution reduces fuel tank corrosion.
They list their peering policy as Selective in their peeringdb entry https://www.peeringdb.com/priv.... They should have an open peering policy. Or is only open if you are a interesting content provider?
Probably. So what is wrong with that? "Interesting" to Google Fiber would be a content provider that is starting to use up enough transit bandwidth that it makes sense to move them to a peering port. That is always how things have worked on the Internet.
Exactly. And it sounds like a beautiful market solution without any ugly bureaucrats mucking up the works, yet.
Yes, just like on the road. If a car has dents and smashes, it is probably going to collect more and the next one may be from you!
These guys are a little late to the party. I opposed mass surveilence back in the 20th century!
There are plenty of examples of bad actors out there, as the example I gave (Union Pacific without naming them), because I oppose their method. Great Northern did not make it across the continent in the 1800s doing what they did, later behavior is not part of the example.
The problem is when, say, Comcast slows down legal streaming movie sites because they want to sell you their cable service in addition, or if NewMovieCorp.com gets worse bandwidth than Netflix. That hurts competition.
I fully agree that is a problem, see my statement about false advertising. As for hurting competition, dishonest dealing is a bad but quick way for competitors to the swindler to emerge.
I see WTOP says it's regulated
Yea, just like everything else. Regulated does not mean owned by the government, like the Dulles Toll Road, it means government is sticking its nose in where it shouldn't.
Good lord, the used bookstore here has the most crowded parking lot of them all and you can't drink anything in there either, plus they have free wifi too.
Your notion that government has to push everybody around to get what you want is nonsense.
That's easy to do when nobody lives there yet. The land was up for grabs and he grabbed it.
That doesn't work so well in a populated area.
YOU are the one who brought up the railroads. Like many examples of that sort, it is a bad one. There are no good ones to support your point.
That's easy to do when nobody lives there yet. The land was up for grabs and he grabbed it.
That doesn't work so well in a populated area.
Your solution is theft and force. If you want to use someone's property, you should have to get their permission. If that includes a lease and payment, fine as long as it is voluntary. If it includes purchase outright, so be it, so long as it is a voluntary exchange. Initiating violence is not the answer, no matter how bad you want your fiber.
Two parallel roads, one private and well maintained that charges a toll, the other a free mess nobody wants to use.
Where? Pictures?
Government approved monopoly wires going into a factory, that is constantly running generators because the utility power quality sucks.
Same questions? And that shouldn't include co-generation where a byproduct of the factory's production happens to be most practically disposed of by running a generator.
People choosing to use Starbucks WiFi over the public library, the latter that most of them are already paying for.
Or more likely, because they want coffee and the library doesn't serve it.
Look up Dulles Greenway, Seriously, this cannot be that hard to find out by anybody.
Yea, bummer you can't even drink coffee in some libraries, much less buy it there. Before you suggest forcing SBX to cater at the library, take a look at a Barnes & Noble.
More likely there just won't be any services at all.
The notion that if the government does not do it, it will not get done at all is proven wrong all the time. Like with trash collection, fire service, or ambulance service in many places right here in the US.
However, you can lay in another fiber.
And if property owners are not forced to let them lay it free across their property, the actual cost of the service will be better reflected in the price. The truly efficient will prevail, and those who are just good at sucking up to or bribing officials will wither.
If you don't find the sort of pants you want in the market, you can go start making your own and compete; if you don't like the railways, you can't start laying down tracks next to Amtrak's and Conrail's.
James J. Hill, creator of the Great Northern Railroad managed to span the continent without your precious eminent domain land grabs and special easements for tycoons. His transcontinental railroad is still running on the same routs, unlike that Lincoln version that was ripped up during WWII. Want to try again?
How do folks like you manage to so completely ignore observational evidence? It is a natural talent or a learned skill?
Yea, observational evidence like two stores right next to each other, one is packed from giving great service, the other empty because they suck.
Two parallel roads, one private and well maintained that charges a toll, the other a free mess nobody wants to use.
Government approved monopoly wires going into a factory, that is constantly running generators because the utility power quality sucks.
People choosing to use Starbucks WiFi over the public library, the latter that most of them are already paying for.
And no, we do not get property from government, it is the other way around.
I have no problem giving awesome speed to their own subsidiary content providers.
I have a problem with deliberately hindering particular providers when their contract with home users says they will provide certain rates of speed that the home user pays for. That is fraud.
If I am reading you right, you disagree with fraud and false advertising, but I repeat myself (and you). I disagree with them too.
The notion that there are not already "internet fast lanes" is puzzling (not directed at you), because there have been ever since the first rate plan gave the consumer a speed or volume choice.
Additionally, the network owner should be the final arbiter on what crosses their network, even if they make decisions we find stupid. Someone else will come along and compete with them. Typically the place where that competition is hindered is by the folks many here are begging to intervene. Governments with police power at all levels.
Good old Leo Laporte points out all the time that localities treat ISPs as utilities and give them monopolies on the last mile. He never advocates to eliminate the government enforced monopoly status, his "solution" is the same as when ITT and other telegraph companies was forced to take phone traffic across their lines, i.e., government mandated trespass across their networks. He never suggests banning the practice of government granted monopoly.
My telephone cord at work has been like this for years.
If only any of us had thought of a catchy name for that shape, rather than cursing when we tried to use the phone, we would be on the cover of Slashdot too.
...NSA?
Other guess, just someone at the manufacturer who wanted to do it that way. However, that does not stop NSA from discovering it in 2 seconds and exploiting it too.