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New Shape Born From Rubber Bands

sciencehabit (1205606) writes "Physicists playing with rubber bands have discovered a new shape. In an attempt to create a spring that replicates the light-bending properties of cuttlefish ink sacs, a team of researchers suspended two rubber strips of different lengths. Connecting the bottoms of the two strips to a cup of water, the shorter band stretched to the same length as the longer one. After gluing the two stretched strips together, the researchers gradually drained the water from the cup. As the bands retracted and twisted from the reduced strain, the researchers were shocked to see the formation of a hemihelix with multiple rainbow-shaped boundaries called perversions. The team hopes their work inspires nanodevices and molecules that twist and transform from flat strips into predetermined 3D shapes on demand." There are several videos attached to the original paper, and all can be viewed without flash.

120 comments

  1. Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back when I used corded handsets a lot one could strech them out far enough and then when they retracted you would get a very similar shape....

    1. Re:Old phone cords? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's a new shape, dammit!

      I have also invented several new shapes. One of them, I draw part of a circle, and then it turns into a squiggly line for a while, and then a quarter of a square, followed by a third of an asymptote. Another time, I drew 3 squiggly lines connected to a 4th line that was almost straight but still a little squiggly. I call it a squiggle-square.

    2. Re:Old phone cords? by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      They spent a fortune on getting someone to CAD that up instead of just taking a picture of a telephone cord.

    3. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact. To make them retractable, the spiral is reversed when manufactured.

    4. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps these "physicists" just started college and grew up without cords.

    5. Re:Old phone cords? by alphatel · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, it's a new shape, dammit!

      I have also invented several new shapes. One of them, I draw part of a circle, and then it turns into a squiggly line for a while, and then a quarter of a square, followed by a third of an asymptote. Another time, I drew 3 squiggly lines connected to a 4th line that was almost straight but still a little squiggly. I call it a squiggle-square.

      By the Gods boy, where are your patents?

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    6. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only a new shape because these damn scientists don't know what a corded handset is/was.

    7. Re:Old phone cords? by gatkinso · · Score: 2

      That is exactly what I thought the moment I saw this.

      Kids these days.... sheesh.

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    8. Re:Old phone cords? by jovius · · Score: 2

      Now re-create that technological relic with two joined flat and straight surfaces by simulating a natural growth pattern, and maybe apply what you found to study plant root formation for example. The summary is a bit over the top, but the science is sound in the experiment anyway. This deepens understanding how nature has worked out the mechanics of the helical forms.

    9. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "New Shape" part is the overstatement. Fortunately the absurd part is limited only to the Slashdot title; the actual paper seems pretty level headed and interesting. Sound science I agree.

    10. Re:Old phone cords? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Hey, I prefer to call them Drunkles, or squnks in a pinch. Alcohol and sketch tablets make strange bedfellows.

    11. Re:Old phone cords? by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I followed your instructions, but I only got a sketch of Homer Simpson.

    12. Re:Old phone cords? by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      And I always had a hell of a time getting that little kink out...

    13. Re:Old phone cords? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's exactly what i was thinking. It looks exactly like the tangles my corded desk phone gets.

    14. Re:Old phone cords? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're missing the point of the paper. The paper is not there to show "new shapes" that is the reporter that clearly doesn't understand what's going on saying that.

      The paper explains HOW these things happen and HOW specific shapes can be modeled (aka calculated or created on purpose) in function of various forces and aspect ratios. They for example, show how to consistently get such a 'kink' (perversion) like the one in your phone cord on every "turn".

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    15. Re:Old phone cords? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      It's like this one song I came up with that was just one note over and over, but every now and again you bend it a little.

    16. Re:Old phone cords? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      I did the same and got something that looks like a cross between a fish and a lightbulb. Coincidence?

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    17. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and I thought you were just being an asshole

      until I looked at the pics.

    18. Re:Old phone cords? by aliquis · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The shape is definitely not new.

      It sounded weird from the beginning.

      Guess it may be new to someone born after 2000 though =P (If that's the place I've seen it too.. I assume it's common on that there are likely more places where one side is stiffer than the other.)

    19. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where was the fun part?

    20. Re:Old phone cords? by mattack2 · · Score: 0

      I'm glad this was the first response. It's the first thing I thought of too when seeing the image on FB. (From "I fing love science")

    21. Re:Old phone cords? by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      Also rubber band airplanes. Wind them up, at one point you get exactly that shape. IDK if the math of the shape was ever explored though. Oftentimes 'discoveries' are things that we, the great unwashed, saw all the time but never noticed. And that's OK - we need people who say, "That's funny..."

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    22. Re: Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if they could show how to get those perversions _out_ of phone cords, or prevent them altogether, that would be something!

    23. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call it a squiggle-square.

      DAMN IT!

      *sigh*

      How much for a license to use it?

    24. Re:Old phone cords? by sjames · · Score: 1

      And just think of all that time people spent trying to 'un-pervert' their phone cord. Of course it seemed more annoying than perverted at the time.

    25. Re:Old phone cords? by Barryke · · Score: 0

      Same for curled garden hoses. This is no new shape, ROFLOL.

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    26. Re:Old phone cords? by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      It's like this one song I came up with that was just one note over and over, but every now and again you bend it a little.

      That's Bleed by Meshuggah.

    27. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, first thing I thought of when I saw the picture! If this is the first time they saw that kind of structure, they're probably too young to know wired phones.

    28. Re:Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They for example, show how to consistently get such a 'kink' (perversion) like the one in your phone cord on every "turn".

      I don't know about you, but I've never had any trouble getting a phone cord to kink. (Or should that be "getting a phone cord to pervert"? I'm not sure this terminology is good. Why don't they call a kink a kink, rather than hiding behind fancy words?)

    29. Re: Old phone cords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I win, one to nothing.

  2. New? by ntshma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My telephone cord at work has been like this for years.

    1. Re:New? by Stele · · Score: 4, Funny

      But it's on the Internet...

    2. Re:New? by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 2

      My telephone cord at work has been like this for years.

      If only any of us had thought of a catchy name for that shape, rather than cursing when we tried to use the phone, we would be on the cover of Slashdot too.

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    3. Re:New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My desk phone cord looks like a normal helix... then again, I am an intovert...

    4. Re:New? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      we would be on the cover of Slashdot too.

      We keep getting richer, but we can't get out picture ... ;-)

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    5. Re:New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These researchers are unfamiliar with what a telephone cord is. Please enlighten them.

    6. Re:New? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The method looks like the method used to make a katana...

    7. Re:New? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      To be fair, the abstract doesn't say anything about a new shape, nor do I see anything in the introduction.

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    8. Re:New? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Informative

      To be fair, the abstract doesn't say anything about a new shape, nor do I see anything in the introduction.

      Kinda yes, kinda no:

      More generally, we introduce the term hemihelix to describe multiple reversals in chirality connected by perversions.

      So, they've come up with a term to describe this.

      And, lest anybody think they were unaware of the phone cord thing:

      Although perversions can also be introduced manually, for instance, by the simple operation of holding one end of a helical telephone cord fixed and twisting the other in a direction counter to its initial chirality

      So, they know that people have seen this. They seem to be the ones introducing the term they've applied to describe it.

      A new name to an old shape, but mostly they've figured out how to predict it, and then hopefully how to plan for it to build specific shapes.

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    9. Re:New? by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

      Someone christened this the "Bell Knot" at least as early as 2006, so it's not even a new name: http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/105/The-Mysterious-Bell-Knot-Challenge

      ---Chip

    10. Re:New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telehelix?

    11. Re:New? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I bought five copies for my mother.

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    12. Re:New? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These researchers are unfamiliar with what a telephone cord is. Please enlighten them.

      I tried but then I couldn't resist strangling those scientists with the telephone handset cord.

    13. Re:New? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      Well you should have published a paper about it :)

    14. Re:New? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I used a PC keyboard with that style of cord on a portion of the cable.. Model M keyboard.

    15. Re:New? by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

      What's a telephone cord?
      #LOLZ #oldthings

  3. How is this a New Shape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I see it in my Desk Phone Cord all the time.

  4. My phone cord has done this for decasdes by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Somehow I don't think a perversion is a new shape.

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    1. Re:My phone cord has done this for decasdes by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      But it can be.

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    2. Re:My phone cord has done this for decasdes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems like a great instance of generation gap. The researchers may never have seen a phone cord before! I just want to know if they can restore the twisted cord to the original cord shape.

    3. Re:My phone cord has done this for decasdes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If done properly it is. ;-)

    4. Re:My phone cord has done this for decasdes by internerdj · · Score: 1

      What is with these young people and their new fangled preversions? I guarantee you there were no perversions going on in my house growing up even when we had a corded phone.

  5. i always get those in wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    looks like the same thing that i used to get in phone cords.

  6. Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Looks like what happens when an old-school phone cord gets tangled.

  7. Telephone cord by myth24601 · · Score: 1, Funny

    From looking at the picture, it looks like what the telephone cord would eventually look like on the kitchen extension when I was a kid. (before everyone had cordless phones). Older people here might recall seeing mom get tangled up in the thing while gabbing away and cooking at the same time, she would eventually have to twirl around to extricate herself and hang up the phone.

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  8. Score: -1, Redundant by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    My old phone cord.... never mind.

    1. Re:Score: -1, Redundant by dale.furno · · Score: 0

      From TFA:

      "Although perversions can also be introduced manually, for instance, by the simple operation of holding one end of a helical telephone cord fixed and twisting the other in a direction counter to its initial chirality, perversions occur in nature during growth and as illustrated by the example of the attached plant tendril a single perversion forms."

    2. Re:Score: -1, Redundant by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      At the banks they used to tie phones down to the desks with cords so that customers wouldn't walk off with them.

    3. Re:Score: -1, Redundant by bughunter · · Score: 2

      Mod Parent up, I'm gonna post instead.

      perversions can also be introduced manually, for instance, by the simple operation of holding one end of a helical telephone cord fixed and twisting the other in a direction counter to its initial chirality

      This explains why I must keep my phone on the left side of my desk to avoid tangling the handset cord. When it's on the right, I give the handset nearly a full twist to get it from the cradle to my left ear (to keep my right hand free for writing/mousing) -- and then another twist back to set it back down on the cradle. Since I'm grabbing with my right hand, the right hand twist is "counter to its initial chirality," which is left handed for most cords I've seen. (Left hand rule - wire coiling in the direction of the left fingers advances in the direction of the left thumb.) After only a few months, it's twisted into such a perverted state, it won't stretch without tangling, and I have to replace it.

      Keeping the phone on the left seems to prevent this... the half turn picking up the phone is left-handed, concurrent with the chirality of the coil. Also it's closer to a half twist than a full twist.

      Nice to finally have an answer to why this works the way it does.

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  9. New Shape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they have discovered liquorice?

  10. Shocked? Really? Were they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curly phone cords form these hemihelix 'perversions' all the time.. They drive me nuts and I obsess over working them out of the cord. So.. Thanks science! You can make a phone cord that will cause my head to explode from all the perversion.

  11. Here's a YouTube Video of it by Nova+Express · · Score: 2

    This will be a little easier to view.

    Not seeing anything groundbreaking off the top of my head...

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    1. Re:Here's a YouTube Video of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All comments are disabled for this video."

      Must be trying to stop the inevitable looks like my old phone cord jokes.

    2. Re:Here's a YouTube Video of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...looks like my old phone cord...

      That's what she said!

    3. Re:Here's a YouTube Video of it by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      A rabbi walks into a bar, holding a phone cord...

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  12. Like 70's Phone Cords... by IgnacioB · · Score: 1

    So, I was doing this myself when I spent hours and hours trying to be caller #3 to the radio station tangling up my parents phone cord? And there is an easier way to remove that perversion than unwinding the hole thing? Next somebody is going to tell me I was making graphene when I first used the big boy pottie.

    1. Re:Like 70's Phone Cords... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      So, I was doing this myself when I spent hours and hours trying to be caller #3 to the radio station tangling up my parents phone cord?

      Unfortunately, TFA looks slashdotted. I assume 'new shape' means a new geometry nobody has cataloged before? Maybe it never occurred to someone that it was a distinct shape? That or the phone cord analogy I'm seeing here isn't quite accurate.

      Next somebody is going to tell me I was making graphene when I first used the big boy pottie.

      No, more like dark matter. ;-)

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  13. Two strips one cup by PNutts · · Score: 4, Funny

    No thanks.

  14. Seemed cool at first.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But on closer inspection it looks more like something on redit's /mildlyInteresting.

  15. The real discovery here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    People have started to rediscover things that were perfectly ordinary 20 years ago. If it is not mentioned anywhere on the Internet or you cannot find it because there is no word for it, then it becomes a new invention when stumbled upon.

    I have just filed a patent for a sound storage device that consists of two spools. The sound is stored in direct form so that it can be sent to a sound emitting device without DAC. I call it Direct Sound(tm).

    1. Re:The real discovery here: by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You can't trademark Direct Sound. Microsoft already has DirectSound.

    2. Re:The real discovery here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine.
      DirectAudio.
      Happy? Now pay me one bajillion dollars for infringing my patent.

    3. Re:The real discovery here: by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          You're in luck. It was USPTO 75480046. It's since been abandon, as the filer didn't keep up with it. Quick, grab it while you can.

          Funny though, the details say it was only for audio on the Internet. :)

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    4. Re:The real discovery here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patent trolling here I come!

    5. Re:The real discovery here: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've created this disk with grooves in it, and it can play noises!!!

  16. Going for an Ignobel Prize? by tomhath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I'm missing something here too. Looks like a twisted up rubber band to me. Although I'm pretty sure I invented a new shape the first time I used monofilament fishing line.

    1. Re:Going for an Ignobel Prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to say you invented it if you can't reproduce it.

  17. Doesn't occur in nature? by BronsCon · · Score: 0

    Sure looks like the same shape squid tentacles make when you bread and deep fry them. Have these guys never had calamari? Or maybe just the crappy "rings only" stuff you get at most "trying to be more upscale" chain restaurants?

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    1. Re:Doesn't occur in nature? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      If your calamari turns into rubber bands, you're probably overcooking it.

  18. WMV fail by eddy · · Score: 2

    Windows Media Video 9 files without any identifying suffix in the downloadable archive. Good going.

    Assholes.

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    1. Re:WMV fail by omnichad · · Score: 1

      A new meaning to platform agnostic. Just leave off the file extension.

  19. a hemihelix has multiple perversions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like a pervert? eww.. gonna take a shower now.

  20. Screw the phone cords... by Onuma · · Score: 1

    Bacon started this.

    And underwear elastic furthered it.

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    1. Re:Screw the phone cords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about complex strings of proteins and amino acids that seem to defy the laws of thermodynamics...

    2. Re:Screw the phone cords... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about complex strings of proteins and amino acids that seem to defy the laws of thermodynamics...

      You mean Cheez Whiz?

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    3. Re:Screw the phone cords... by Onuma · · Score: 1

      The Supreme Court of Thermodynamics clearly overturned those laws.

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  21. I used to be a Physicist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but then I took a phone cord to the knee. HURRDURR

    So funny how every freaking comment is the same dumb joke.

  22. And we have a strong contender... by OneAhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Handily in time to contend for the 2014 Ig Nobel price.

  23. Obligatory /. comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correlation does not imply causation.

  24. The usual story: flawed summary by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't see anything in the paper claiming to have found "a new shape". It also isn't clear why the word "shocked" is used, other than perhaps the results was unexpected. I guess an excerpt from the paper sums it best:

    A recent, simple experiment using elastomer strips reveals that hemihelices with multiple reversals of chirality can also occur, a richness not anticipated by existing analyses. Here, we show through analysis and experiments that the transition from a helical to a hemihelical shape, as well as the number of perversions, depends on the height to width ratio of the strip's cross-section. Our findings provides the basis for the deterministic manufacture of a variety of complex three-dimensional shapes from flat strips.

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    1. Re:The usual story: flawed summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That don't get the clicks, bitch.

    2. Re:The usual story: flawed summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The title is basically buzzfeed for science.

    3. Re:The usual story: flawed summary by RoverDaddy · · Score: 2

      The title is basically buzzfeed for science.

      "Which Perverse Hemihelical Chirality are you? Take this quiz to find out!"

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    4. Re:The usual story: flawed summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still you have to pay them when creating these shapes from now on.

    5. Re:The usual story: flawed summary by gsslay · · Score: 1

      They were "shocked" because the submitter thought it sounded jazzier than "stunned". "Amazed" would have done the same job, but it's a bit old hat.

      To be honest, we really need a new word to convey over-hyped excitement and surprise in news-speak. Something like "incredulated".

  25. My Underwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I invented that with the elastic on my underwear years ago, in fact I'm still wearing the same underwear as evidence of my invention!

  26. Indeed, New ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, looks like a phone cord to me. I don't see what's so 'new' about it. Are these Scientists trolling us ?

  27. I want their job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a job where I get paid to play with rubber bands and make new shapes.

    1. Re:I want their job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a job where I get paid to play with rubber bands and make new shapes.

      You really don't. Trust me.

  28. This shape by magsol · · Score: 2

    literally ruins slinkys.

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    1. Re:This shape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      looks like it ruined your linksys.

    2. Re:This shape by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      It does seem very similar to the shape a badly twisted slinky can make.

  29. Not a new shape, a new method by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    So it's safe to say that the summary is botched, however, that does not mean that the article is not still interesting enough to be deserving. What we have is an unexpected outcome to an experiment. They created a known structure using a new method, where the method of creation may make the shape promising to engineering applications.

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  30. Bell Knot by ZahrGnosis · · Score: 1

    Well, they're no the first to TRY to name it.

  31. I did that before by Theovon · · Score: 1

    I swear I remember doing this exact thing when I was a kid.

  32. Sounds like ... by NoseBag · · Score: 1

    Hemihelix Perversion. That sounds so ... dirty.

    My mind is a raging torrent of possible meanings. But I will spare you all.

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  33. Cook any bacon lately? by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Then you too have seen this shape.

  34. Related videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone else get Fleetwood Mac's "Landslide" as a related video?

  35. Balsa Airplanes by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

    I was getting shapes like that from rubber band powered balsa wood airplanes back in the 80's during both winding and unwinding. Regarding the unwinding, I used to love testing the thrust a few times to see if there was a magical way to wind it to get more airflow and for longer. I'm sure older people have witnessed similar many years prior. Nothing new here.

  36. Been twisting these for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been twisting these for years. Just get a band, twist it a bit too tight to form a nice little set of loops and pull it open. You get the parts where it's too tight to form a nice loop but not tight enough to twist around.

    Should have done the maths on it years ago and I'd have gotten myself a Slashdotted website.

  37. So science has discovered perversions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's got to be old news.

  38. Last Night.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe I may have manually introduced a hemihelical perversion to my wife. At least, she acted surprised.

  39. That wasn't calamari. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was sliced pig rectum: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/484/doppelgangers?act=1

  40. We're excited about WMV now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "all can be viewed without flash." — you just need Windows Media Player! Who writes this stuff?

  41. That Grant Money by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    They're gonna give it back .. when?

  42. you didn't do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. they invented it's math