I really don't know this answer... do you need a permit to protest? or is it that you need a permit to protest if the protest is cutting off services to the public.
I would think that you can protest legally ( protected somewhere in the law ) but I think you need a permit if the protest is going to cut off services to the public
Everyone should be protesting, and have the right to protest.
Police that don't understand the right to protest should be charged and removed from work ( fired if the attack is unprovoked )
One sad thing that protesters bring upon themselves is when then charge forward and attempt to become menacing, that in the eye's of the police looks like an attack. They will respond with an overwhelming amount of force. Which is sad, since a peaceful protest goal is for the attention of the problem and to have those in power look and find a solution.
Really? I feel that the speed threshold is very near, it's not like we use all the power already that the chip can do, but the consumer will want all the extra power it can get. I think, I believe that we are nearing the start of using parallel programing so as to take advantage of all the extra cores. most likely it will be the Audio/Visual segment of the market that will create the software for it ( Game designers i am willing to bet ).
We have seen this already done by splitting off the graphics to it's own card, back in the 80's we had intel math chips, I really am not smart enough to figure out what will be spun off the chip ? Maybe some I/O stuff, wireless stuff... I am not even sure. But I can bet that it will change the market again.
Who knows, maybe a nifty tablet like in star trek, note that in the shows the captain sometimes had multiple tablet's on his desk, go figure what might really happen.
I really do hope that we get to the parallel programing stage of coding, that will utilize more of the cpu's and reduce cost over long term and should reduce the amount of energy used. But what do I know, I'm just a simple observer.
>>I do not understand how multi-core subverts our craving for transistor density
Look I do understand what you just said but think with the herd..
back in the 80's ( early ), a phrase used in corporate America, it was " no on got fired for buying IBM " sometime is the mid-late 80's the 80386 came out, and corporate america said they had those PC's prior to them being sold to the market. back then it was a MHZ race
people will no longer brag about speed, they will brag about core count, with the thinking that everyone has the same speed in the cores.
the real race that I hope happens is when we start counting how little energy the platform uses when we get to the speed threshold.
the big cost is time and the lift on and lift off.
a good crane operator can do a steady 34 to 36 lifts per hour, so every empty has a lift on and lift off cost. plus the 2 minute cycle that might be associated with it.
Now we have more empties in the USA than in Asia, so we have to lift them and move them from the east and west coast USA for discharge Asia... so if the container folds where we can carry 2 instead of 1 on the lift, it's a 50% lift on/lift off cost, back in the 90's we had a charge call THC ( terminal handling charge ) which would cover the containers lift on, the rate was some where in the USD 120 range. also back then a 3500TEU vessel was rather large.
I had metal scrap contract with the steam ship lines back then, I would pay UDS 700ish from port newark to shanghai, huangpu, tanjian and a few other asian ports, the rate was predicated that I moved 20 metric tons max per container, and 250+ containers per vessel.
now with the super vessels like the emma mearsk, I have no clue how they can load on the east coast of the USA, I think Newport VA is the only over 45' draft port on the east coast ( I think the gulf might have one or 2 ), BUT more to the point is 9000 possible lift, it's a fucking nightmare on the logistics. I would think that something like this would really call for a dynamic change in the cranes, or more like both port and starboard load and discharge.
At the end of the day, a worthwhile, ISO certified container, that can fold and take the abuse, is well worth it. just think 500 moves saved, that's at least 2 hours port time, maybe even more.
I would think you are wrong, logistics's is a problem that computers are great at solving. There are many idea's on slashdot that support the transport industry, the one above is a good example
That was a wonder to look at, Elegant. I just hope you did not use mint flavor wax linen, for if a mouse was to get in, it would find lot's of snacks LOL
Velcro wrap works very well, my set up is real simple when running cable and it's worked since I discovered velcro.
all I need is velcro, white tape, stapler and sharpe pen red. I velcro one end, fold piece of white tape over it self, write a number or code, staple to the velcro, finish that end... do the same on the other end. now from start to finish i know where everything is. Also it does not hurt to have a little book in the room where you mention what numbers go to what areas ( don't forget to date it, that helps finding old wires )
given, I never had more than 180 wires in a cable room but it's worked consistently and the staple trick I learned when a room overheated and the tapes all fell off.
as you get better with this, you discover that tie's are only good for the first 10 feet to make everything look nice for the public, since you can quickly cut them, get to your problem cable, resolve problem, re-tie, clean up and vanish. I like everything to be velcroed that's hanging in the crawl/overhead spaces. quickly open, quickly close and keep moving.
at the end of the day, some pencil headed boss will look at the work you did, pat you on the back for doing a good job and give you a cold beer.
funny I looked at the video's and in a wide scale look, it does look like to was smooth symmetry, but upon looking at it in a micro view, my points from above seem to validated IE: the connections to the core elevator shafts ( the trusses ) seem to behave as they are pulling inwards. does this mean pancaking? I don't think in the first set's of floors it's valid, it's just building trusses failures, but then on the later floors I would think it is.
If anything, we should consider that the building design was somewhat luck and that there was no huge lateral movement of the mass in the weakest points, otherwise those masses would have completely covered other buildings and killed more folks. Now don't hold my numbers firm: it's about 1000 feet up where the building mech floor is ( about 75ish ) and using that as a reference point, I would think that the falling mass if it slid like people would like to believe, would fly outwards greater than 500 feet ( 2 down 1 out )
they went down, and it's somewhat straight down, and I am glad that it did not slide and kill even more people.
maybe you don't have any construction experience or maybe you don't understand some big mass physics, I don't know...
let's just look at the video.... the building came somewhat down straight... it was tilted but it's not going to slide completely off. the tower's designed shows that everything would more or less fall center ( don't forget, a core for the elevators, and a girder wall to enclose the living space ) there is a lot of attachment to each piece so at the end everything should pull towards the center of the core.
as for the core left standing, there is tons and ton's, when it goes it just goes, nothing ever is left in most cases.
And why is wtc-7 left out of most reports, real simple, it's port authority ruled and not part of the WTC development.... but a report was written later
since you were not there, and I really don't see it mentioned much, WTC 7 has this huge gash in it, and the lowest floors were a con-ed sub station ( or power station I am not sure )
If it was not that your user ID shows that you have been a member of slashdot since 1999ish or before ( I lost my id that started at 147000ish ) I would have taken it as a troll.
but with that said, I'll read it.
Also note, I am a witness to what happened and I worked in both towers for a while and tower 7 and OLP ( One Liberty Plaza ).
While I respect older consistent users, I have to say, unless you have been in a hotel fire or been shot at or ended up in a war/sniper zone by accident ( all 3 I have been at as a civilian, shelled in Lebanon was the most frightening ), Pancaking is common. and something that firefighters are taught is never to trust the trusses. and fires get real hot.
while many people look to see conspiracy, I see normal fire that could not be fought due to issue way too large and overwhelming. Don't forget, OLP was bent due to the stuff falling off the towers, and WTC 7 was a lot closer to the twin towers than OLP
if you start asking yourself about why the towers collapse, you really have to ask yourself this question.... why is the skyscraper design prior to WTC safer... don't forget it was a new design at that time, and you are correct, the design failed due to flaws that were not foreseeable. if it was the empire building, I think nothing would have happened in sense of a collapse.
well this is rather frightening to those groups like the the jewish rabbis of Ethiopia which have specific markers and most likely multiple hill tribes of the nepal. what next are we going to look for the slanted eye gene and kill all the Asians, or the green eye's with red hair and kill all the Irish, wait... blue eye's and blond hair taking out the northern countries of Europe, or how about skin color gene,
it's sci-fi, does not have to be correct, just enough to ignite your imagination and wonder if it was possible. and yes ring world had orbital mechanical issues when it first came out, but did it stop the imagination, nope.
Where I mention Today's Cost, please use a compound return to the future adjust for an inflation rate of 3.5%
by 2025 ( not that far off ). Solar power cells should be around 20% - 25% conversion rate for space application. I would think that the cost would be at today's cost plus a 3.5% inflation rate ( someone give us a cost ) the weight should be roughly half of today's weight
Big enough devices to sail/motor/fly to the asteroid think of the Russian rocket's used for Venus as the start, Nuke propulsion, drop off a device that can start making changes to the landscape using solar energy ( big fancy lasers ).
second rocket is sent with some sort of launching device that can be mounted on the asteroid and sends a slab of semi-refined metal into a projectile orbit for the moon.
the idea is right, the landing of the cargo is the hard part.
I'm guessing that the cost is in excess of 1 trillion dollars, the rewards will be a massive change in space travel, instead of steel we start finding titanium and other hard to find minerals. it would be wonderful.
Funny, somewhere in my memory, I think I read in Analog ( a sci-fi / fact magazine ) about a pissed off miner that made a huge egg type asteroid of the size of a very large city, and floated directly over a nations capital, as it floated slowly downward, the government had to move, since if they shot it down it would kill everybody quickly, and the goal was only to crush the capital and make every think about the action that they do.
Personally, I think china is looking to do this. Why... heavy bombing from space using a solid objects should only create blast/earthquake damage but no real radioactivity. I am not talking about the weather related events or other events ( global cooling ), just the radioactivity from a similar bast damage devices if it was a nuclear based design.
What I like about this entire thing is that we can save on bandwidth, which should also lead to some power savings overall, not a lot, but just another drop, those drops could add up and become something useful in the future.
Sure that is easy, it's a general product that is above the rest and has some of the highest quality control aspects in the industry ( apple is nuts about quality, and pays out the butt for it ). Popularity is about consumers taste, not about the quality, it just happens to be fact that the earlier Toyota's were rust bucket's but they improved due to market demands and in toyota's case a fuel crisis and laws '72 - '74 that cause consumer demand to switch to better gas mileage cars.
a) china and other Asian nations can produce cheap products b) China can produce high quality products IE: the apple line of products c) if a product become a copy cat product, you'll notice that the cost is about 30% cheaper at the consumer level ( not the cost of some cell phone which have similar aspects of the Iphone).
As for the U.S.A. consumer, they fight to get the products almost to a commodity level, Walmart is an example of what can be done if the consumers vendor fights to get the best prices and forces the manufacture to become competitive to consumers purchase level.
good example is Mac tools or Snap-on tools ( also Sears Craftman tool of the best line ), those tools are manufactured everywhere in the world, with very high levels of quality control, but you can go out an buy a set of tools from the local cheap hardware shop if you want. Here is the problem via a personal example, I was bolting on a set of heads to an engine block, the socket snapped and I smashed my thumb... streaming in pain ( broken finger ) I swore that I would never buy anything but the tools above, to this day, nothing has ever broken again.
I just had to have a very similar situation for a web site that I wanted, I went out for bids, and got about 5 solid coders, each one real good, each had a quote price with in 4500 of each other, all different languages it all came down to delivery date.
I took the PHP guy, why, real simple, he said to me, prototype web site in Photoshop in 3 days, working web site idea in a week, beta test on the 14th day, can go live within another week and afterwards with 3 months of support, bug cleaning, and code clean up free. bottom line he said, if it works you'll hire me on the 4th month for years, and then we can recode it in whatever you want.
the truth of the matter seems that i wanted a delivery date that could be hit, Who knows I might have done something wrong but first to market always get's the attention.
true, my dell died just recently ( hard drive crash ) lasted 9 years of solid daily desktop duty. just did a basic upgrade to a used pc that's 3 years old
Back in the 90's I spoke to a guy in Texas that ran a Silicon wafer growing facility, he told me that his labor rate would triple if he told the people that were growing these long crystals how much each one was worth. they final moved the company to Asia somewhere.
What people don't realize, is that the USA consumer wants that cheapest product possible. There are people that want good quality products but when they see the price they panic and don't realize the long term value, I happen to have bought a lawnmower that is American made, never gave me any issues, 12 years it worked solidly, then I got one as a gift ( asian made ), cracked the protective shell after the 3rd month.
I know consumers that can keep a PC going strong for 4 - 6 years without issue, and they cost about 10% -20% more, but are consumers willing to pay for that? How about phones, I see people trading up phones every year, it just does not make sense. buy a quality product and it last a very long time, Heck I still have my fathers torque wrench from the 50's and it works fine ( just had it recalibrate ), the guy said to me, to replace this it would cost almost $ 300.00 and I he would not be sure that it could last 50 years.
I buy with the objective of keeping items for a very long time, and I find that American built product can accommodate half, if not 3/4 of all my purchases, the only product that I wish was made in the USA was my coffee machine, it's made in South America works like a charm, but I have to contact a friend in brazil every time I need a gasket.
Funny, reading Slashdot, I found multiple ways of setting up mesh networks for wireless ( given it's 2 years old, but it's a research point ) and then I googled the idea for a simple large wireless network, for 500 users, and a front end security for the guest.
a simple free Radius server http://freeradius.org/ by the way, there might be a a way to integrate it to you Point of Purchase software
there is multiple research ideas about Hotspots which could be usable
given I have not looked at the routing issues but I know that's covered
It could be just a heat collection pattern, letting the most light hit all the branches in order that the truck has enough warmth or to prevent complete branch die off.
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I really don't know this answer...
do you need a permit to protest? or is it that you need a permit to protest if the protest is cutting off services to the public.
I would think that you can protest legally ( protected somewhere in the law )
but I think you need a permit if the protest is going to cut off services to the public
I'm really not sure.
Everyone should be protesting, and have the right to protest.
Police that don't understand the right to protest should be charged and removed from work ( fired if the attack is unprovoked )
One sad thing that protesters bring upon themselves is when then charge forward and attempt to become menacing, that in the eye's of the police looks like an attack. They will respond with an overwhelming amount of force. Which is sad, since a peaceful protest goal is for the attention of the problem and to have those in power look and find a solution.
Really? I feel that the speed threshold is very near, it's not like we use all the power already that the chip can do, but the consumer will want all the extra power it can get. I think, I believe that we are nearing the start of using parallel programing so as to take advantage of all the extra cores. most likely it will be the Audio/Visual segment of the market that will create the software for it ( Game designers i am willing to bet ).
We have seen this already done by splitting off the graphics to it's own card, back in the 80's we had intel math chips, I really am not smart enough to figure out what will be spun off the chip ? Maybe some I/O stuff, wireless stuff ... I am not even sure. But I can bet that it will change the market again.
Who knows, maybe a nifty tablet like in star trek, note that in the shows the captain sometimes had multiple tablet's on his desk, go figure what might really happen.
I really do hope that we get to the parallel programing stage of coding, that will utilize more of the cpu's and reduce cost over long term and should reduce the amount of energy used. But what do I know, I'm just a simple observer.
>>I do not understand how multi-core subverts our craving for transistor density
Look I do understand what you just said but think with the herd ..
back in the 80's ( early ), a phrase used in corporate America, it was " no on got fired for buying IBM "
sometime is the mid-late 80's the 80386 came out, and corporate america said they had those PC's prior to them being sold to the market.
back then it was a MHZ race
people will no longer brag about speed, they will brag about core count, with the thinking that everyone has the same speed in the cores.
the real race that I hope happens is when we start counting how little energy the platform uses when we get to the speed threshold.
the big cost is time and the lift on and lift off.
a good crane operator can do a steady 34 to 36 lifts per hour, so every empty has a lift on and lift off cost. plus the 2 minute cycle that might be associated with it.
Now we have more empties in the USA than in Asia, so we have to lift them and move them from the east and west coast USA for discharge Asia... so if the container folds where we can carry 2 instead of 1 on the lift, it's a 50% lift on/lift off cost, back in the 90's we had a charge call THC ( terminal handling charge ) which would cover the containers lift on, the rate was some where in the USD 120 range. also back then a 3500TEU vessel was rather large.
I had metal scrap contract with the steam ship lines back then, I would pay UDS 700ish from port newark to shanghai, huangpu, tanjian and a few other asian ports, the rate was predicated that I moved 20 metric tons max per container, and 250+ containers per vessel.
now with the super vessels like the emma mearsk, I have no clue how they can load on the east coast of the USA, I think Newport VA is the only over 45' draft port on the east coast ( I think the gulf might have one or 2 ), BUT more to the point is 9000 possible lift, it's a fucking nightmare on the logistics. I would think that something like this would really call for a dynamic change in the cranes, or more like both port and starboard load and discharge.
At the end of the day, a worthwhile, ISO certified container, that can fold and take the abuse, is well worth it. just think 500 moves saved, that's at least 2 hours port time, maybe even more.
I would think you are wrong, logistics's is a problem that computers are great at solving. There are many idea's on slashdot that support the transport industry, the one above is a good example
That was a wonder to look at, Elegant.
I just hope you did not use mint flavor wax linen, for if a mouse was to get in, it would find lot's of snacks LOL
very time consuming but for a elegant job I would think it's a must.
Velcro wrap works very well, my set up is real simple when running cable and it's worked since I discovered velcro.
all I need is velcro, white tape, stapler and sharpe pen red.
I velcro one end, fold piece of white tape over it self, write a number or code, staple to the velcro, finish that end... do the same on the other end. now from start to finish i know where everything is. Also it does not hurt to have a little book in the room where you mention what numbers go to what areas ( don't forget to date it, that helps finding old wires )
given, I never had more than 180 wires in a cable room but it's worked consistently and the staple trick I learned when a room overheated and the tapes all fell off.
as you get better with this, you discover that tie's are only good for the first 10 feet to make everything look nice for the public, since you can quickly cut them, get to your problem cable, resolve problem, re-tie, clean up and vanish. I like everything to be velcroed that's hanging in the crawl/overhead spaces. quickly open, quickly close and keep moving.
at the end of the day, some pencil headed boss will look at the work you did, pat you on the back for doing a good job and give you a cold beer.
>>why should it collapse in perfect symmetry.
funny I looked at the video's and in a wide scale look, it does look like to was smooth symmetry, but upon looking at it in a micro view, my points from above seem to validated IE: the connections to the core elevator shafts ( the trusses ) seem to behave as they are pulling inwards. does this mean pancaking? I don't think in the first set's of floors it's valid, it's just building trusses failures, but then on the later floors I would think it is.
If anything, we should consider that the building design was somewhat luck and that there was no huge lateral movement of the mass in the weakest points, otherwise those masses would have completely covered other buildings and killed more folks. Now don't hold my numbers firm: it's about 1000 feet up where the building mech floor is ( about 75ish ) and using that as a reference point, I would think that the falling mass if it slid like people would like to believe, would fly outwards greater than 500 feet ( 2 down 1 out )
they went down, and it's somewhat straight down, and I am glad that it did not slide and kill even more people.
maybe you don't have any construction experience or maybe you don't understand some big mass physics, I don't know...
let's just look at the video.... the building came somewhat down straight... it was tilted but it's not going to slide completely off. the tower's designed shows that everything would more or less fall center ( don't forget, a core for the elevators, and a girder wall to enclose the living space ) there is a lot of attachment to each piece so at the end everything should pull towards the center of the core.
as for the core left standing, there is tons and ton's, when it goes it just goes, nothing ever is left in most cases.
And why is wtc-7 left out of most reports, real simple, it's port authority ruled and not part of the WTC development.... but a report was written later
since you were not there, and I really don't see it mentioned much, WTC 7 has this huge gash in it, and the lowest floors were a con-ed sub station ( or power station I am not sure )
But you can believe what you want.
If it was not that your user ID shows that you have been a member of slashdot since 1999ish or before ( I lost my id that started at 147000ish ) I would have taken it as a troll.
but with that said, I'll read it.
Also note, I am a witness to what happened and I worked in both towers for a while and tower 7 and OLP ( One Liberty Plaza ).
While I respect older consistent users, I have to say, unless you have been in a hotel fire or been shot at or ended up in a war/sniper zone by accident ( all 3 I have been at as a civilian, shelled in Lebanon was the most frightening ), Pancaking is common. and something that firefighters are taught is never to trust the trusses. and fires get real hot.
while many people look to see conspiracy, I see normal fire that could not be fought due to issue way too large and overwhelming. Don't forget, OLP was bent due to the stuff falling off the towers, and WTC 7 was a lot closer to the twin towers than OLP
if you start asking yourself about why the towers collapse, you really have to ask yourself this question .... why is the skyscraper design prior to WTC safer... don't forget it was a new design at that time, and you are correct, the design failed due to flaws that were not foreseeable. if it was the empire building, I think nothing would have happened in sense of a collapse.
thank you for the link. I will enjoy reading it
100 megs of useable data is what we are talking about. ...
what that might cover is legal issues, user names and passwords and the like
so the ability to profit is present, and just like spam, you only need a few to make it worth while
well this is rather frightening to those groups like the the jewish rabbis of Ethiopia which have specific markers and most likely multiple hill tribes of the nepal. what next are we going to look for the slanted eye gene and kill all the Asians, or the green eye's with red hair and kill all the Irish, wait ... blue eye's and blond hair taking out the northern countries of Europe, or how about skin color gene,
shit I don't even like the road this is taking.
it's sci-fi, does not have to be correct, just enough to ignite your imagination and wonder if it was possible. and yes ring world had orbital mechanical issues when it first came out, but did it stop the imagination, nope.
well then let's run some quick Idea's. :
Where I mention Today's Cost, please use a compound return to the future adjust for an inflation rate of 3.5%
by 2025 ( not that far off ). Solar power cells should be around 20% - 25% conversion rate for space application.
I would think that the cost would be at today's cost plus a 3.5% inflation rate ( someone give us a cost )
the weight should be roughly half of today's weight
Big enough devices to sail/motor/fly to the asteroid think of the Russian rocket's used for Venus as the start, Nuke propulsion, drop off a device that
can start making changes to the landscape using solar energy ( big fancy lasers ).
second rocket is sent with some sort of launching device that can be mounted on the asteroid and sends a slab of semi-refined metal into a projectile orbit for the moon.
the idea is right, the landing of the cargo is the hard part.
I'm guessing that the cost is in excess of 1 trillion dollars, the rewards will be a massive change in space travel, instead of steel we start finding titanium and other hard to find minerals. it would be wonderful.
Funny, somewhere in my memory, I think I read in Analog ( a sci-fi / fact magazine ) about a pissed off miner that made a huge egg type asteroid of the size of a very large city, and floated directly over a nations capital, as it floated slowly downward, the government had to move, since if they shot it down it would kill everybody quickly, and the goal was only to crush the capital and make every think about the action that they do.
Personally, I think china is looking to do this. Why... heavy bombing from space using a solid objects should only create blast/earthquake damage but no real radioactivity. I am not talking about the weather related events or other events ( global cooling ), just the radioactivity from a similar bast damage devices if it was a nuclear based design.
What I like about this entire thing is that we can save on bandwidth, which should also lead to some power savings overall, not a lot, but just another drop, those drops could add up and become something useful in the future.
Sure that is easy, it's a general product that is above the rest and has some of the highest quality control aspects in the industry ( apple is nuts about quality, and pays out the butt for it ). Popularity is about consumers taste, not about the quality, it just happens to be fact that the earlier Toyota's were rust bucket's but they improved due to market demands and in toyota's case a fuel crisis and laws '72 - '74 that cause consumer demand to switch to better gas mileage cars.
a) china and other Asian nations can produce cheap products
b) China can produce high quality products IE: the apple line of products
c) if a product become a copy cat product, you'll notice that the cost is about 30% cheaper at the consumer level ( not the cost of some cell phone which have similar aspects of the Iphone).
As for the U.S.A. consumer, they fight to get the products almost to a commodity level, Walmart is an example of what can be done if the consumers vendor fights to get the best prices and forces the manufacture to become competitive to consumers purchase level.
good example is Mac tools or Snap-on tools ( also Sears Craftman tool of the best line ), those tools are manufactured everywhere in the world, with very high levels of quality control, but you can go out an buy a set of tools from the local cheap hardware shop if you want. Here is the problem via a personal example, I was bolting on a set of heads to an engine block, the socket snapped and I smashed my thumb... streaming in pain ( broken finger ) I swore that I would never buy anything but the tools above, to this day, nothing has ever broken again.
I just had to have a very similar situation for a web site that I wanted, I went out for bids, and got about 5 solid coders, each one real good, each had a quote price with in 4500 of each other, all different languages it all came down to delivery date.
I took the PHP guy, why, real simple, he said to me, prototype web site in Photoshop in 3 days, working web site idea in a week, beta test on the 14th day, can go live within another week and afterwards with 3 months of support, bug cleaning, and code clean up free. bottom line he said, if it works you'll hire me on the 4th month for years, and then we can recode it in whatever you want.
the truth of the matter seems that i wanted a delivery date that could be hit, Who knows I might have done something wrong but first to market always get's the attention.
true, my dell died just recently ( hard drive crash ) lasted 9 years of solid daily desktop duty. just did a basic upgrade to a used pc that's 3 years old
Back in the 90's I spoke to a guy in Texas that ran a Silicon wafer growing facility, he told me that his labor rate would triple if he told the people that were growing these long crystals how much each one was worth. they final moved the company to Asia somewhere.
What people don't realize, is that the USA consumer wants that cheapest product possible. There are people that want good quality products but when they see the price they panic and don't realize the long term value, I happen to have bought a lawnmower that is American made, never gave me any issues, 12 years it worked solidly, then I got one as a gift ( asian made ), cracked the protective shell after the 3rd month.
I know consumers that can keep a PC going strong for 4 - 6 years without issue, and they cost about 10% -20% more, but are consumers willing to pay for that? How about phones, I see people trading up phones every year, it just does not make sense. buy a quality product and it last a very long time, Heck I still have my fathers torque wrench from the 50's and it works fine ( just had it recalibrate ), the guy said to me, to replace this it would cost almost $ 300.00 and I he would not be sure that it could last 50 years.
I buy with the objective of keeping items for a very long time, and I find that American built product can accommodate half, if not 3/4 of all my purchases, the only product that I wish was made in the USA was my coffee machine, it's made in South America works like a charm, but I have to contact a friend in brazil every time I need a gasket.
Funny, reading Slashdot, I found multiple ways of setting up mesh networks for wireless ( given it's 2 years old, but it's a research point ) and then I googled the idea for a simple large wireless network, for 500 users, and a front end security for the guest.
a simple free Radius server http://freeradius.org/ by the way, there might be a a way to integrate it to you Point of Purchase software
there is multiple research ideas about Hotspots which could be usable
given I have not looked at the routing issues but I know that's covered
OK spill the beans, whom do you use? that's all good and I recall that level of service, but I don't see it anymore.
It could be just a heat collection pattern, letting the most light hit all the branches in order that the truck has enough warmth or to prevent complete branch die off.