You may have a "staff of posting (+1)" and "Taco's UID of considerable lowness" but you still don't understand the concept of trolling. Whether I am right or wrong, pro or anti MS is of no concern to this issue. It was a post genuinally conveying my feelings on the matter, and being interested in people's responses. Therefore it is not a troll.
Also, may I be so bold to point out the illogical nature of your post?
You say "IE was integrated, so what" and "this isn't about MS incoporating their stuff", and that your point is that they were "being criminal and being found guilty on all charges" and "found out to play unfairly".
Well, I say again, so fucking what? You don't refute my charges, infact you almost echo them, seeming to think that the important thing is that THE LAW said what they did was wrong.
Well, I'll tell you, my low-uid, +1 posting proud friend that laws are made up by people and people are generally greedy and stupid, so yes, a law can be unjust.
I still don't fully understand, because you say "They could leach every bit as well with the pro-copyright ISP... as they could with the "free" ISP".
You seem to sidestep (no offence) my point about how ISPs would detect the pirates. Would they not just as surely detect people leeching files as they would those down and uploading? After all, both ARE transferring large, copyrighted files. It may be worse in the eyes of both the law and the copyright holders to share that material with others but the fact remains that both are breaking the law.
(I just thought of this). Was it that you were referring to my edonkey description, where there are servers entirely separate from the clients as opposed to the clients acting as mini-servers?
"I find the casual reference to writing ubercool virii uncool at best"
My casual reference was in fact to writing "ubercool viruses" and I find your unnecessary latinization of the plural of "virus" uncool at best.
And it was indeed a "casual reference"; I just listed some of the many reasons people want the source code. I actually fall into the "want to laugh at it" category.
Half of your post seemed to be some rantings about your "cyber-home" and FUD that were so off- topic they confused me. The other half seemed to be some supposedly stirring stuff that read as if you had composed it while under the influence of a National Anthem.
I assume from your post that you are NOT in fact in possession of the source code to Windows, because I think Microsoft are too stupid to be able to restrict disclosure of it to only those individuals who, like yourself, are sitting on such a moralistic high-horse that they won't give it away to anyone. (That's not how MS' security works).
So fucking what if Microsoft integrates the web browser into the OS? I may be swearing, pro- Microsoft and headed for "-1" troll here, but most of my posts get modded down anyway, "so I say 'Fuck it, let's fight this thing!'"
Bad things (supposedly) about integrating a web browser into an OS:
1) It stifles competition. Those poor other manufacturers of web-browsers can't compete.
Well, boo fucking hoo. Microsoft also includes zip file functionality, a text editor, an image editor, movie editor, defrag capability blah blah etc. Oh no! They also include the ability to display graphics, run more than one program at the same time, encrypt files etc. What the fuck are they supposed to do, ship you Windows XP as a copy of DOS 6.2 because they can't provide functionality that third parties could profit from ? No, because third parties make money by identifying *weaknesses* in the OS and then "filling in the gaps", or by introducing new features people want, e.g. divx, games or colour console directory listers. (Still absent from MS). You can't expect MS to say "Ooh, hang on, we'd better not put the ability to print text documents in the OS, someone else might want to do that!"
You still can produce your own web-browser, and if you do it well, people will buy it for its better security or faster rendering or whatever.
2) Ah, but because IE is in the OS to start with most people will never even consider getting another web-browser, so MS has an unfair advantage!
An advantage, yes, but not an unfair one. Why the hell shouldn't MS put a browser in the OS? Are you saying that ice-cream cones with chocolate flakes in are "illegally using their power as ice-cream makers to bundle the chocolate flake with the ice-cream, thus depriving chocolate flake manufacturers of a fair chance to compete!" ??? Oh, my, the only chance the flake manufacturers have to make money is to get bought out by the ice-cream company and used as the official flake in the ice-cream!!! Like really....
Maybe I'll take MS to court myself because their bundling of DirectX with Windows is hampering my fair ability to compete in the global marketplace with my ancient DOS 3D engine...
3) You've got it all wrong! IE is *integrated* into Windows. You can't get it out- it's used for file dialogs and file browser windows and everything!
Well, so fucking what? This is good, because it means you can't argue that you want to remove IE to reclaim the precious space, since you have to keep it there to be used in the aforementioned dialogs and file browser. They would be using code of an equivelent size anyway so what's your problem?
I thought everyone liked adherence to standards- isn't using javascript and html for file browsing windows a good thing? What, instead they should make up their own proprietary system instead for displaying information?
And since the rendering engine etc would be in there to support file browsing etc anyway, you can just put netscape 6 on if you want, make it the default application for html and tada! You're not wasting space, as already pointed out, it's as easy and natural to launch as is IE.
Any of you anti-MS people want to rip my argument to shreds? Go ahead, just use intelligent reasoning rather than flamiage and I *am* prepared to listen.
Otherwise I don't see what the problem is...
graspee
Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 34.2).
Well, I'm *trying to beat the page-widening you dumb-fuck spunk chunk of a perl script...
"Anyone else find it funny that they were sueing nintendo. I didn't even know they made violent games"
Mario series: You stomp on the heads of pretty much every living thing that gets in your way, as well as some you go out of your way to get. Sometimes you throw your enemies at each other for extra laughs, or just throw them down a deep hole.
Kirby series: You eat any living thing that gets in your way then spit it out. Sometimes you "blow" your enemies away, othertimes you cut 'em with a big sword, othertimes you blow them up with a bomb or roast them alive with flame-thrower breath.
Zelda series: You slice up any living thing that gets in your way with a sword, or stone it with a catapult, or shoot it with an arrow.
Actually, I am immortal, but that's irrelevent here.
As you so rightly point out: (for most people, except people like me) video games cause death. However, the question is not whether video games cause deach, but do they cause the urge to kill? These are clearly different things, young Glaucon.
I understand what you are saying, but given that the port used by an edonkey server is configurable how could they tell that it was a file-sharing app?
I know, I know, the *perception* of risk could be enough to stop people from sharing, hence fewer files, hence less interest.
But, remember that if certain ISPs start to "get in bed" with the various studios and "content providers" and have draconian rules about file-sharing (and let's not forget that they pretty much all say you can be cut-off for illegal activites, including warezing stuff) then there will be competition among ISPs and people will flock to other providers who aren't in league with. And yes, I know quite a few people don't have a choice if they want broadband, but also a lot of people are free to vote with their wallets.
As to the people not sharing stuff problem- you're going to have that whether it's super-illegal (as opposed to merely illegal ordinary!) or not; I'm sure that some new file-sharing network will spring up some day soon that forces you to share (and does check). That service would grow sharply in popularity because there would be more files available. Even now, in edonkey (which shares files even as you are downloading them), I see new files are much more available than older ones, either because people aren't sharing any folder other than their "incoming" one, or because they don't have the space and so are archiving stuff onto cd once it's finished.
edonkey is fully slap-proof. Anyone can run a server, so all someone would have to do would be to put up a server for a few days and post the address on a web page, then you "discover" more servers as it is running. (Whether from other users or servers I'm not sure)...
Yeah, judge slaps kazaa, so kazaa slaps morpheus, so morpheus slaps ? (its users by moving to gnutella?).
It's the whole circle of violence thing, well documented by researchers of domestic violence, but not well linked-to by posters like me who are lazeeeeee.
Then put it on eDonkey2000 and post the ed2k link right here on/. (as AC of course).
Anyone with access to the Windows sourcecode who doesn't immediately put it on a p2p network has no business being on slashdot.
Whether you want to laugh at it, see if you can find bugs, write improved versions of things, write ubercool viruses or whatever, we all want the source.
Yeah, just wait 'til those wacky guys on Jackass get a hold of this stuff. They will probably spray it on piles of bricks and then pogo on the bricks....
There was a shock story back in the day that cds would only last for 10 years due to some material or other that they were using corroding in some way (reacting to air ? can't remember).
Anyway, cue at the time lots of voxpops with cute teenaged girls saying that they don't care because if they are still listening to the same songs in 10 years they want to be shot.
Soon after that they started using a different material in the cds and all was supposedly well again.
I find Aristotle's philosophy interesting but imagine that his foray into novel-writing was akin to those members of boy-bands who think that acting will be a good idea...
"So if like 90% of the users in your area say there's a commercial going, drop some kind of "commercial start/stop" marker."
Until someone catches on and starts up a group of friends who all mark a commercial as being on when it's the big final action scene in a movie, so you miss it...
Slashdot Mirror
"Windows XP is made with cheap labour"
Yeah, I heard XP is written by Thai women in sweat shops in appauling conditions.
woman: I need food mister! real bad!
ms whip cracker: not 'til you've finished the photo preview dll, bitch!
graspee
"I currently see no need to move from Windows 2k in the next 5-10 years "
Believe me, well before that time you will be forced to upgrade because your new hardware won't have win2k drivers or the apps won't work with win2k.
Do a test: get some 10 year old hardware and software (a random selection) and try using it under win2k.
graspee
Yeah, but if the company got split up into apps, web and os, would you suddenly have to buy thousands of licenses ?
graspee
Thank you, I understand now.
graspee
You may have a "staff of posting (+1)" and "Taco's UID of considerable lowness" but you
still don't understand the concept of trolling. Whether I am right or wrong, pro or anti MS is
of no concern to this issue. It was a post genuinally conveying my feelings on the matter,
and being interested in people's responses. Therefore it is not a troll.
Also, may I be so bold to point out the illogical nature of your post?
You say "IE was integrated, so what" and "this isn't about MS incoporating their stuff", and
that your point is that they were "being criminal and being found guilty on all charges"
and "found out to play unfairly".
Well, I say again, so fucking what? You don't refute my charges, infact you almost echo them,
seeming to think that the important thing is that THE LAW said what they did was wrong.
Well, I'll tell you, my low-uid, +1 posting proud friend that laws are made up by people
and people are generally greedy and stupid, so yes, a law can be unjust.
graspee
I still don't fully understand, because you say "They could leach every bit as well with the ... as they could with the "free" ISP".
pro-copyright ISP
You seem to sidestep (no offence) my point about how ISPs would detect the pirates. Would they not
just as surely detect people leeching files as they would those down and uploading? After all,
both ARE transferring large, copyrighted files. It may be worse in the eyes of both the law and
the copyright holders to share that material with others but the fact remains that both are
breaking the law.
(I just thought of this). Was it that you were referring to my edonkey description, where there are servers entirely separate from the clients as
opposed to the clients acting as mini-servers?
graspee
"I find the casual reference to writing ubercool virii uncool at best"
My casual reference was in fact to writing "ubercool viruses"
and I find your unnecessary latinization of the plural of "virus" uncool at best.
And it was indeed a "casual reference"; I just listed some of the many reasons people want the
source code. I actually fall into the "want to laugh at it" category.
Half of your post seemed to be some rantings about your "cyber-home" and FUD that were so off-
topic they confused me. The other half seemed to be some supposedly stirring stuff that read as if
you had composed it while under the influence of a National Anthem.
I assume from your post that you are NOT in fact in possession of the source code to Windows,
because I think Microsoft are too stupid to be able to restrict disclosure of it to only those
individuals who, like yourself, are sitting on
such a moralistic high-horse that they won't give it away to anyone. (That's not how MS' security works).
graspee
So fucking what if Microsoft integrates the web browser into the OS? I may be swearing, pro-
Microsoft and headed for "-1" troll here, but most of my posts get modded down anyway, "so I
say 'Fuck it, let's fight this thing!'"
Bad things (supposedly) about integrating a web browser into an OS:
1) It stifles competition. Those poor other manufacturers of web-browsers can't compete.
Well, boo fucking hoo. Microsoft also includes zip file functionality, a text editor, an image
editor, movie editor, defrag capability blah blah etc. Oh no! They also include the ability
to display graphics, run more than one program at the same time, encrypt files etc. What the
fuck are they supposed to do, ship you Windows XP as a copy of DOS 6.2 because they can't
provide functionality that third parties could profit from ? No, because third parties make
money by identifying *weaknesses* in the OS and then "filling in the gaps", or by introducing
new features people want, e.g. divx, games or colour console directory listers. (Still absent
from MS). You can't expect MS to say "Ooh, hang on, we'd better not put the ability to print text
documents in the OS, someone else might want to do that!"
You still can produce your own web-browser, and if you do it well, people will buy it for its
better security or faster rendering or whatever.
2) Ah, but because IE is in the OS to start with
most people will never even consider getting
another web-browser, so MS has an unfair advantage!
An advantage, yes, but not an unfair one. Why
the hell shouldn't MS put a browser in the OS?
Are you saying that ice-cream cones with chocolate
flakes in are "illegally using their power as
ice-cream makers to bundle the chocolate flake
with the ice-cream, thus depriving chocolate
flake manufacturers of a fair chance to compete!"
??? Oh, my, the only chance the flake manufacturers
have to make money is to get bought out by the
ice-cream company and used as the official flake
in the ice-cream!!! Like really....
Maybe I'll take MS to court myself because their
bundling of DirectX with Windows is hampering
my fair ability to compete in the global marketplace
with my ancient DOS 3D engine...
3) You've got it all wrong! IE is *integrated* into
Windows. You can't get it out- it's used for file dialogs
and file browser windows and everything!
Well, so fucking what? This is good, because it
means you can't argue that you want to remove IE
to reclaim the precious space, since you have to
keep it there to be used in the aforementioned
dialogs and file browser. They would be using code
of an equivelent size anyway so what's your problem?
I thought everyone liked adherence to standards-
isn't using javascript and html for file browsing windows a good thing? What, instead they should
make up their own proprietary system instead for displaying information?
And since the rendering engine etc would be in there to support file browsing etc anyway, you
can just put netscape 6 on if you want, make it the default application for html and tada! You're
not wasting space, as already pointed out, it's as easy and natural to launch as is IE.
Any of you anti-MS people want to rip my argument to shreds? Go ahead, just use intelligent reasoning rather than flamiage and I *am* prepared to listen.
Otherwise I don't see what the problem is...
graspee
Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 34.2).
Well, I'm *trying to beat the page-widening you dumb-fuck spunk chunk of a perl script...
"Anyone else find it funny that they were sueing nintendo. I didn't even know they made violent games"
Mario series: You stomp on the heads of pretty much every living thing that gets in your way, as well as some you go out of your way to get. Sometimes you throw your enemies at each other for extra laughs, or just throw them down a deep hole.
Kirby series: You eat any living thing that gets in your way then spit it out. Sometimes you "blow" your enemies away, othertimes you cut 'em with a big sword, othertimes you blow them up with a bomb or roast them alive with flame-thrower breath.
Zelda series: You slice up any living thing that gets in your way with a sword, or stone it with a catapult, or shoot it with an arrow.
graspee
Actually, I am immortal, but that's irrelevent here.
As you so rightly point out: (for most people, except people like me) video games cause death. However, the question is not whether video games cause deach, but do they cause the urge to kill? These are clearly different things, young Glaucon.
graspee
Once the adverts are up there then this 3 hour non-operational period counts as "free play!" time because you will see *no adverts!*.
But Yes, I know, the way it was for me at least today was that I could read but not log in or (obviously) post.
graspee
I understand what you are saying, but given that the port used by an edonkey server is configurable how could they tell that it was a file-sharing app?
I know, I know, the *perception* of risk could be enough to stop people from sharing, hence fewer files, hence less interest.
But, remember that if certain ISPs start to "get in bed" with the various studios and "content providers" and have draconian rules about file-sharing (and let's not forget that they pretty much all say you can be cut-off for illegal activites, including warezing stuff) then there will be competition among ISPs and people will flock to other providers who aren't in league with. And yes, I know quite a few people don't have a choice if they want broadband, but also a lot of people are free to vote with their wallets.
As to the people not sharing stuff problem- you're going to have that whether it's super-illegal (as opposed to merely illegal ordinary!) or not; I'm sure that some new file-sharing network will spring up some day soon that forces you to share (and does check). That service would grow sharply in popularity because there would be more files available. Even now, in edonkey (which shares files even as you are downloading them), I see new files are much more available than older ones, either because people aren't sharing any folder other than their "incoming" one, or because they don't have the space and so are archiving stuff onto cd once it's finished.
Thanks for a thought-provoking post, FallLine.
graspee (in friendly mode)
edonkey is fully slap-proof. Anyone can run a server, so all someone would have to do would be to put up a server for a few days and post the address on a web page, then you "discover" more servers as it is running. (Whether from other users or servers I'm not sure)...
graspee
Yeah, judge slaps kazaa, so kazaa slaps morpheus, so morpheus slaps ? (its users by moving to gnutella?).
It's the whole circle of violence thing, well documented by researchers of domestic violence, but not well linked-to by posters like me who are lazeeeeee.
graspee
"I have access to the source legally right now"
/. (as AC of course).
Then put it on eDonkey2000 and post the ed2k link right here on
Anyone with access to the Windows sourcecode who doesn't immediately put it on a p2p network has no business being on slashdot.
Whether you want to laugh at it, see if you can find bugs, write improved versions of things, write ubercool viruses or whatever, we all want the source.
graspee
WHILES they_are_misusing_words
complain
WENDS
graspee
Yeah, just wait 'til those wacky guys on Jackass get a hold of this stuff. They will probably spray it on piles of bricks and then pogo on the bricks....
graspee
"and to make sure you slow down, we'll make sure the back button also eats your comment. "
Soon enough you will learn how to ctrl-a ctrl-c before hitting submit. Or other things for X.
graspee
There was a shock story back in the day that cds would only last for 10 years due to some material or other that they were using corroding in some way (reacting to air ? can't remember).
Anyway, cue at the time lots of voxpops with cute teenaged girls saying that they don't care because if they are still listening to the same songs in 10 years they want to be shot.
Soon after that they started using a different material in the cds and all was supposedly well again.
graspee
I find Aristotle's philosophy interesting but imagine that his foray into novel-writing was akin to those members of boy-bands who think that acting will be a good idea...
graspee
"Writing it in clay, then baking it would work better"
Hence the hundreds and hundreds of "documents" we have from the Assyrian Empire, thousands of years bc.
graspee
oops
"ANY boolean logic can be expressed if you simply use enough pop tarts"
graspee
" if you don't know the difference between a nand gate and a pop tart."
As we all know, and boolean logic can be expressed if you simply use enough pop tarts.
graspee
"So if like 90% of the users in your area say there's a commercial going, drop some kind of "commercial start/stop" marker."
Until someone catches on and starts up a group of friends who all mark a commercial as being on when it's the big final action scene in a movie, so you miss it...
graspee
"MPEG compression isn't all that easy to do on a chip. "
And yet there is an abundance of cheap cards for the pc which do it- e.g. Hauppage WinTV PVR.
What you are missing out on is the listings, so you can schedule things other than manually hitting record.
graspee