You seem to be under the impression that "any smoking is bad" and therefore e-cigs are bad except as a means to quit. If they're not actually that harmful - which seems to be where the scientific evidence points - then what's the problem? Why shouldn't people carry what are effectively portable incense burners with them everywhere if they're not bothering anybody?
As I lean Libertarian, I'd probably go even farther than that, but we're not in the political environment to make that particularly realistic or useful currently.
Totally this. When the e-cig banners first started popping up online I took a keen interest, not because I have any use for them myself (except maybe as a novel form of incense perhaps), but because I could then have a reasonable solution for those people I felt were infringing my right to clean air by breathing their smoke back out. I saw myself pitching a polite fit and giving out marketing brochures made by myself, in order to improve my own public experience. The only thing stopping me was the generally antisocial preferences that kept me away from places people were doing this anyway and, hence, not experiencing second-hand smoke enough to keep it on my mind. Bans of cigs in public places, particularly restaurants, probably helped too.
I still strongly support e-cig conversion for reasons of not having all the known issues that traditional cigs have - in particular the transferable carcinogens and the noxious odor that smokers carry with them everywhere.
Well, I appreciate you giving citations, however what you've linked is without exception either straight-up unsubstantiated (prisonplanet and infowars are run by Alex Jones, a guy I've determined to be a paranoid nutcase who couldn't cite a credible source to save his life) or complete FUD as it does not directly pertain to the topic at hand. If you've got something more compelling I'm open to presentation of evidence, but - respectfully - I recommend you try again.
Knowing who and being able to do anything about it, are two very different things. I'll bet Julian Assange has a copy. The US is STILL trying to get him from when he pissed them off last time. Thing is, though, if Snowden bites the dust, this means lots of very bad things happening to operations that are legitimately trying to keep serious threats at bay - gun runners, cartel agents, that kind of thing. You know, the scum the NSA and such should really be keeping tabs on. This means the upper tier in US administration may want to take a hard look at an amnesty deal. Bring Snowden back to safety with guarantee of immunity and that info stays as safe as it (and US domestic law enforcement entrusted with his safety as a citizen) can make it. He'll never be able to work again either way, I imagine.
Sounds to me like they're trying to preserve the echo chamber more than anything else. Harassing the news outlets who are mucking up the works is a great side-benefit (if you support the 'punitive sentencing' theory of law enforcement), but I imagine the real purpose is to maintain the original justification for the status quo. For anyone not open to 'subversive' news channels, parroting the common line in a new context is enough to keep the ignorant masses from asking too many inconvenient questions and shifting the general consensus towards some kind of political revolution.
It probably helps that you're not living in a country that declares a War on Something at the drop of a hat. Seriously, we've got the War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Crime... hell I can't even remember the whole list off the top of my head.
Mind you, war does seem to be one of your listed exceptions, so stay vigilant. War on a stateless actor should be impossible, so if the US government can get away with it, a convenient fiction can probably be manufactured by the Danish establishment, particularly with a powerful foreign interest leaning on them to do it like the US did to most of Europe recently regarding the Bolivian president's plane.
So keep it together, please; somebody's going to have to step up for refugees if the US keeps going downhill towards tyranny, and that's a LOT of people looking for 'any port in a storm.'
Step 1) Buy *real* equipment a hackerspace will find useful, e.g. power tools, soldering iron, 3d printer, etc. (hint: ask them what they need)
Step 2) Give actual equipment to hackerspace (or maybe a school), where FLOSS evangelists are trying to actually put "the rubber to the road" as it were, spreading the good news to the masses, using FLOSS and may then have more funds to give to actual coding projects
Step 3) Profit! (in a moral, rather than financial sense)
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You seem to be under the impression that "any smoking is bad" and therefore e-cigs are bad except as a means to quit. If they're not actually that harmful - which seems to be where the scientific evidence points - then what's the problem? Why shouldn't people carry what are effectively portable incense burners with them everywhere if they're not bothering anybody?
As I lean Libertarian, I'd probably go even farther than that, but we're not in the political environment to make that particularly realistic or useful currently.
Totally this. When the e-cig banners first started popping up online I took a keen interest, not because I have any use for them myself (except maybe as a novel form of incense perhaps), but because I could then have a reasonable solution for those people I felt were infringing my right to clean air by breathing their smoke back out. I saw myself pitching a polite fit and giving out marketing brochures made by myself, in order to improve my own public experience. The only thing stopping me was the generally antisocial preferences that kept me away from places people were doing this anyway and, hence, not experiencing second-hand smoke enough to keep it on my mind. Bans of cigs in public places, particularly restaurants, probably helped too.
I still strongly support e-cig conversion for reasons of not having all the known issues that traditional cigs have - in particular the transferable carcinogens and the noxious odor that smokers carry with them everywhere.
Well, I appreciate you giving citations, however what you've linked is without exception either straight-up unsubstantiated (prisonplanet and infowars are run by Alex Jones, a guy I've determined to be a paranoid nutcase who couldn't cite a credible source to save his life) or complete FUD as it does not directly pertain to the topic at hand. If you've got something more compelling I'm open to presentation of evidence, but - respectfully - I recommend you try again.
Knowing who and being able to do anything about it, are two very different things. I'll bet Julian Assange has a copy. The US is STILL trying to get him from when he pissed them off last time. Thing is, though, if Snowden bites the dust, this means lots of very bad things happening to operations that are legitimately trying to keep serious threats at bay - gun runners, cartel agents, that kind of thing. You know, the scum the NSA and such should really be keeping tabs on. This means the upper tier in US administration may want to take a hard look at an amnesty deal. Bring Snowden back to safety with guarantee of immunity and that info stays as safe as it (and US domestic law enforcement entrusted with his safety as a citizen) can make it. He'll never be able to work again either way, I imagine.
...at some point the "cheaper" option becomes "don't do shit that can blow back on the agency." MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Sounds to me like they're trying to preserve the echo chamber more than anything else. Harassing the news outlets who are mucking up the works is a great side-benefit (if you support the 'punitive sentencing' theory of law enforcement), but I imagine the real purpose is to maintain the original justification for the status quo. For anyone not open to 'subversive' news channels, parroting the common line in a new context is enough to keep the ignorant masses from asking too many inconvenient questions and shifting the general consensus towards some kind of political revolution.
It probably helps that you're not living in a country that declares a War on Something at the drop of a hat. Seriously, we've got the War on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Crime... hell I can't even remember the whole list off the top of my head.
Mind you, war does seem to be one of your listed exceptions, so stay vigilant. War on a stateless actor should be impossible, so if the US government can get away with it, a convenient fiction can probably be manufactured by the Danish establishment, particularly with a powerful foreign interest leaning on them to do it like the US did to most of Europe recently regarding the Bolivian president's plane.
So keep it together, please; somebody's going to have to step up for refugees if the US keeps going downhill towards tyranny, and that's a LOT of people looking for 'any port in a storm.'
Step 1) Buy *real* equipment a hackerspace will find useful, e.g. power tools, soldering iron, 3d printer, etc. (hint: ask them what they need) Step 2) Give actual equipment to hackerspace (or maybe a school), where FLOSS evangelists are trying to actually put "the rubber to the road" as it were, spreading the good news to the masses, using FLOSS and may then have more funds to give to actual coding projects Step 3) Profit! (in a moral, rather than financial sense)