It has the most satisfaction... I'd be interested to know how they know that, but again it's hardly surprising when it costs so much. High price items tend to polarise people, they either feel ripped off and bitter or convince themselves that they love it and the cost was justified. Plus it's as much jewellery as it is a gadget, so even if it's usability sucks it will function adequately as bling.
So... what about any of that doesn't mean people can be satisfied with it? Even better for Apple if the higher price influences their satisfaction. As you said, that's the foundation of the whole jewelry industry, and honestly any watch (smart or not) more than $100 is basically jewelry at this point.
Oh, don't get me wrong. Mike Rowe has fully drank the Libertarian populist Koolaid, I used to be a fan but he is no true fan of the working class.
And seriously - reread your post. Your biases are so obvious it's impressive. "Garbage man" (sic) is exactly what I'm talking about - how many of the Walmart or McDonald's employees do you see could do that work? Or much of the "Mike Rowe" work, for that matter?
Face it, some people aren't cut out for being a doctor or engineer, and some aren't cut out for lifting heavy weights into the back of a truck. Walmart - while having many things wrong with it - does employ a lot of immigrants, single parents, veterans, elderly, etc who may have hard time getting other jobs (and while their wages are still too low, they should get credit for raising their minimum wage in the last 2 years). My big problem with your statement is calling their jobs "training wheels".
And are you implying $34K is a fine career? That's way below the national average, and hovering at or below the poverty line in many areas. And really only $5K or so more than those "training wheel" Walmart jobs you were talking about...
Well, see my below comment for details, but please provide any evidence that H1-B Visa employees are getting substandard wages. I believe it was true 15 years ago, but it just plain is not today.
The 65,000 H1-Bs a year is a tiny dent in the open positions in Bay Area tech alone, and new college grads are making well over $100K to start these days. The fact is the artificially limited supply of talented foreign workers is so low vs the demand already that the market has corrected the problem. The new problem is that companies growth is now often resource (engineering, etc) limited, so they will pay what used to seem like exorbitant salaries to whoever can get the job done...
I believe you're describing existing law. However, if the company makes a new classification, there is no equivalent salary to be required to exceed. If the company says "This job is worth $40K/year", and nobody applies because nobody able to do the job would accept that salary, then the company has established that the salary is $40K/year, and that there are no US workers available. (Yeah, this trick shouldn't work, but it can be hard to prove.)
Actually, yes, you are correct - companies already do have to prove the salary is competitive, that they have properly advertised the position, etc.
The problem with your details is that companies just plain don't use H1-Bs for $40k a year jobs. New college grads in tech are making $100k+ (plus insane signing bonuses and stock grants) to start - and most H1-Bs are experienced engineers above that. There are only 65,000 H1-Bs offered per year, and the limiting growth factor on SO MANY tech companies right now is in engineering talent, so there just plain isn't any reason to squander that tiny number on underpaid dead weight.
This is why people shouldn't give wal-mart or mcdonalds shit for giving crap wages. Walmart and Mcdonalds are "training wheels" for the job market, and if you're trying to have a career here then either move to corporate or else quit. Even if they did pay a good wage, would you really want to spend your golden years talking about how great your career as a greeter or burger flipper was? Maybe we can engrave a mop on your tombstone? The reality is that these jobs suck even if they pay well.
So your plan to fix the income inequality in the US is that everyone working unskilled jobs should suddenly get skilled jobs and magically make more money? Holy bubble, that's just not how the world works.
And extra douchey on your part to insult those people doing the hard labor that keeps the wheels of the economy turning. I hope someday Mike Rowe finds you and gives you a coal tar and raw sewage enema.
All you have to do is insist that any person hired on H1B receive a salary 25% higher than the highest paid equivalent level US person in the company.
Why not just insist any person hired on an H1B receive a salary the SAME as the the equivalent in the company? That's what I do, and guess what - it works great and everyone is happy with it.
Just like pretty much EVERYTHING this administration and all of those who support it are pushing for - they don't actually know ANYTHING about the details or have lived the issues. H1-B's are just plain not a problem right now in the US tech market, it's another step in the fascist playbook trying to demonize "foreigners".
Where did LG get a pass? It's required to pass RF transmission standards, not "receiving" interference. The law is to prevent products from interfering with other devices or causing harmful radiation, not sucking as a product. That one's up for the tech/consumer review sites to trash it...
If you want to get teckienical, the problem is RF interference.
For all we know a cordless home phone, microwave, or cell phone sitting under the monitor could screw it up. In any case, something wasn't properly RF shielded...
Trump still favors the individual (and individual liberties) whereas fascism is founded on the premise of a single national identity and almost no individual identity.
Do you have any proof of this? I think a few hundred million people have been following Trump's statements and actions pretty closely for the past year and there hasn't been many indications he has any concept other than his own identity...
And yet none of those succeeded (set top boxes, email, etc) or are being done today (embedding an html 5 rendering engine into an app - which btw also violates Apple's terms of "no interpreters").
Wow, there are so many incorrect statements in this sentence it's hard to know where to begin...
No Flash-based STBs/TVs succeeded? Many Vizio Smart TVs and BD Players, several cable STBs, as well as some other brands from circa 2009-2014 used embedded Flash for significant parts of their UI.
And no one is embedding an HTML5 rendering engine into an app? Are you fucking kidding me? First, Apple (iOS - since they have no control over Macs, obviously): what do you think a WebView is? And second, everyone else (since WTH does iOS really have to do with this discussion): there are literally hundreds of millions of TVs, STBs, and BD/DVD players that embed HTML5 engines. All Samsung TVs in the past 5 years and LG TVs in the last 3 years have done this. And there are thousands of apps on PCs/Macs that do the same.
I guarantee I have written more "code" to embed Flash and know more about Flash than you do. I have ported it to several set top boxes & TVs and was using it to develop rich Internet apps (email, photo browsers, news feeds, etc) back in 1998.
HTML5 still requires a browser.
HTM5 requires an HTML rendering engine and Javascript interpreter just like Flash requires the flash rendering engine and Actionscript interpreter.
You can embed HTML5 rendering engines into apps just like you can embed Flash rendering engines. There is nothing more inherently secure in either approach.
EXACTLY! Just what do people think the *deep* in "deep learning" means? I (and I'm sure many here) played around with 2-3 layer networks 20 years ago, and while fun, they just can't perform real world tasks. Every layer you add can exponentially increase the connections. Once you start trying to emulate "human intelligence" you are literally talking thousands of "layers" (though at that point we are beyond even what is currently comprehensible).
"For flash there's html5". Sure, if you want turn-of-the-century performance on modern hardware. Party like it's 1999, because html5 whatever. At least you could run flash standalone, without a stupid browser to add another layer of insecurity.
What the F are you talking about? That was the only thing I actually *agreed* with...
I guess either you totally misunderstood the meaning of the AC's comment (HTML5 can replace Flash) or you totally misunderstand how Flash works ("standalone" = AIR, which is probably worse than running Flash in a secure browser like Chrome as it provides even more access to OS features).
Do you even know what the initials SJW means? And if you do, what about fighting for social justice is an insult? Boggles the mind how people try to use equal rights advocacy as a slander. I'm sure you think MLK, WEB, SBA, etc are all "goddamn SJWs". But go for it, I guess, if you have to hate...
Current systems are more than capable of doing NLP and voice recognition locally. Even if you go with generic ANN approach for recognition you don't need exotic hardware to use a trained network. Granted all of this requires specialized skills but far from unreasonable.
Since you seem to know the basics of ANN-based AI but not the details, check this article out to get into the current decade, it's a good overview of how much resources it really takes to do ANN right: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/1...
Summary is: sure you can do really crappy NLP locally, but what Google has started doing is at another level entirely. And that's not even at the level that will be required to really get "intelligent agents" to be truly useful. The limiting factor to ANN right now is computing power (and/or much more special purpose hardware). That's the reason it was nearly abandoned 20 years ago and revived recently - it was impossible with the previous concepts of "supercomputers", etc and now only with massively distributed computing has it been possible to actually simulate the multilevel networks required.
Do you just not know anything about this very publicly discussed topic, or are you one of the douchebags who actively discourages accepting commits from women or others outside of your social circle?
Of course they have real value. If you buy one for $10k you may only be able to sell it for $3k, but that's still REAL value. And that really just means the "value" was $3K and you paid too much originally.
I don't disagree that the diamond industry is a complete and utter scam, but like many luxuries, art, etc value is what the market decides it is.
That's stupid. We have been fucking with the planet we LIVE ON for thousands of years. We couldn't make a dent in the mass of the moon if we hammered it with nuclear missiles, let alone mining.
No, RTFA. They are creating a new one (Replicant) based on Android. Firefox OS is a joke.
For flash there's html5
That doesn't even make sense. Sure, apps are moving to HTML5, but that has nothing to do with FSF, it just means FSF priorities in 2008 were ultimately wrong.
Decentralization is ownCloud.
Wha? Really?? That's just a lame alternative to other cloud file storage service that no one actually uses. It doesn't remotely touch anything Facebook, Apple or Google really do.
I looked at the projects from 2008, and AFAIK none of them have really made much progress or are already dead. Gnash, really? Luckily for everyone (except Adobe) Flash is in it's death knell in 2017. Coreboot is a great concept (I have used LinuxBIOS in a couple of projects) but ultimately doomed because firmware/BIOS is intimately tied to hardware - it will be great for hobby projects but by definition never be useful for mainstream PCs. And so it goes down the list...
And the 2017 list... Free smartphone OS basically seems to be "free Android" - I'm sure it will be about as successful at the 2008 goal with "gNewSense". FSF personal assistant? Could it be possible they don't understand how these work? It's trivial client software with billions of dollars in server hardware behind it. And seriously, "projects that replace Google, Facebook Apple, and so on"? Again, you don't replace those unless you have billions in backend investment and billions of users.
I commend them on finally trying to address the totally dysfunctional open source community in terms of female and minority inclusion, but they still need to prioritize actual useful *projects*, not just processes...
1) The key point: Silicon Valley companies are paying 6 figures out of college for top talent. So for someone to be worth importing (and I believe many are), obviously $100k should be a minimum.
2) Paying a 10% tax? Maybe for 1 year, since it costs at least $10k to hire someone (probably also from out of the country, but at least they are putting their money where their mouth is when claiming there are no equivalent candidates (which I believe is often true!).
3) Bidding? The problem is if you limit the VISAs it just turns it into an oligopoly where Google, etc steals all of the top-top talent and no one even gets the rest. Bidding only works if you open it up to the full free market, someone needs to get the 2nd round draft pick who eventually kicks everyone's ass.
4 - or 3.2?!?) Cardiac surgeons. Yes! That's the exact problem. There is NO shortage of cardiac surgeons. There are 5x more medical residents that could be cardiac surgeons than get the chance. The problem is we make them all feel like professional and financial failures because they don't become cardiac surgeons...
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Why is the Apple Watch (and the rest of its competitors) so expensive? Are red and green LEDs that much more expensive?
Same reason the iPhone is so expensive - quality design and components and a massive Apple profit margin.
It has the most satisfaction... I'd be interested to know how they know that, but again it's hardly surprising when it costs so much. High price items tend to polarise people, they either feel ripped off and bitter or convince themselves that they love it and the cost was justified. Plus it's as much jewellery as it is a gadget, so even if it's usability sucks it will function adequately as bling.
So... what about any of that doesn't mean people can be satisfied with it? Even better for Apple if the higher price influences their satisfaction. As you said, that's the foundation of the whole jewelry industry, and honestly any watch (smart or not) more than $100 is basically jewelry at this point.
Oh, don't get me wrong. Mike Rowe has fully drank the Libertarian populist Koolaid, I used to be a fan but he is no true fan of the working class.
And seriously - reread your post. Your biases are so obvious it's impressive. "Garbage man" (sic) is exactly what I'm talking about - how many of the Walmart or McDonald's employees do you see could do that work? Or much of the "Mike Rowe" work, for that matter?
Face it, some people aren't cut out for being a doctor or engineer, and some aren't cut out for lifting heavy weights into the back of a truck. Walmart - while having many things wrong with it - does employ a lot of immigrants, single parents, veterans, elderly, etc who may have hard time getting other jobs (and while their wages are still too low, they should get credit for raising their minimum wage in the last 2 years). My big problem with your statement is calling their jobs "training wheels".
And are you implying $34K is a fine career? That's way below the national average, and hovering at or below the poverty line in many areas. And really only $5K or so more than those "training wheel" Walmart jobs you were talking about...
Well, see my below comment for details, but please provide any evidence that H1-B Visa employees are getting substandard wages. I believe it was true 15 years ago, but it just plain is not today.
The 65,000 H1-Bs a year is a tiny dent in the open positions in Bay Area tech alone, and new college grads are making well over $100K to start these days. The fact is the artificially limited supply of talented foreign workers is so low vs the demand already that the market has corrected the problem. The new problem is that companies growth is now often resource (engineering, etc) limited, so they will pay what used to seem like exorbitant salaries to whoever can get the job done...
I believe you're describing existing law. However, if the company makes a new classification, there is no equivalent salary to be required to exceed. If the company says "This job is worth $40K/year", and nobody applies because nobody able to do the job would accept that salary, then the company has established that the salary is $40K/year, and that there are no US workers available. (Yeah, this trick shouldn't work, but it can be hard to prove.)
Actually, yes, you are correct - companies already do have to prove the salary is competitive, that they have properly advertised the position, etc.
The problem with your details is that companies just plain don't use H1-Bs for $40k a year jobs. New college grads in tech are making $100k+ (plus insane signing bonuses and stock grants) to start - and most H1-Bs are experienced engineers above that. There are only 65,000 H1-Bs offered per year, and the limiting growth factor on SO MANY tech companies right now is in engineering talent, so there just plain isn't any reason to squander that tiny number on underpaid dead weight.
This is why people shouldn't give wal-mart or mcdonalds shit for giving crap wages. Walmart and Mcdonalds are "training wheels" for the job market, and if you're trying to have a career here then either move to corporate or else quit. Even if they did pay a good wage, would you really want to spend your golden years talking about how great your career as a greeter or burger flipper was? Maybe we can engrave a mop on your tombstone? The reality is that these jobs suck even if they pay well.
So your plan to fix the income inequality in the US is that everyone working unskilled jobs should suddenly get skilled jobs and magically make more money? Holy bubble, that's just not how the world works.
And extra douchey on your part to insult those people doing the hard labor that keeps the wheels of the economy turning. I hope someday Mike Rowe finds you and gives you a coal tar and raw sewage enema.
All you have to do is insist that any person hired on H1B receive a salary 25% higher than the highest paid equivalent level US person in the company.
Why not just insist any person hired on an H1B receive a salary the SAME as the the equivalent in the company? That's what I do, and guess what - it works great and everyone is happy with it.
Just like pretty much EVERYTHING this administration and all of those who support it are pushing for - they don't actually know ANYTHING about the details or have lived the issues. H1-B's are just plain not a problem right now in the US tech market, it's another step in the fascist playbook trying to demonize "foreigners".
Where did LG get a pass? It's required to pass RF transmission standards, not "receiving" interference. The law is to prevent products from interfering with other devices or causing harmful radiation, not sucking as a product. That one's up for the tech/consumer review sites to trash it...
If you want to get teckienical, the problem is RF interference.
For all we know a cordless home phone, microwave, or cell phone sitting under the monitor could screw it up. In any case, something wasn't properly RF shielded...
No, really, the only ones saying this are those trying to trivialize the horrible things he's already done.
So, I wouldn't call you a doublenazi at all. Just a regular Nazi.
Trump still favors the individual (and individual liberties) whereas fascism is founded on the premise of a single national identity and almost no individual identity.
Do you have any proof of this? I think a few hundred million people have been following Trump's statements and actions pretty closely for the past year and there hasn't been many indications he has any concept other than his own identity...
And yet none of those succeeded (set top boxes, email, etc) or are being done today (embedding an html 5 rendering engine into an app - which btw also violates Apple's terms of "no interpreters").
Wow, there are so many incorrect statements in this sentence it's hard to know where to begin...
No Flash-based STBs/TVs succeeded? Many Vizio Smart TVs and BD Players, several cable STBs, as well as some other brands from circa 2009-2014 used embedded Flash for significant parts of their UI.
And no one is embedding an HTML5 rendering engine into an app? Are you fucking kidding me? First, Apple (iOS - since they have no control over Macs, obviously): what do you think a WebView is? And second, everyone else (since WTH does iOS really have to do with this discussion): there are literally hundreds of millions of TVs, STBs, and BD/DVD players that embed HTML5 engines. All Samsung TVs in the past 5 years and LG TVs in the last 3 years have done this. And there are thousands of apps on PCs/Macs that do the same.
Here's one popular framework used by a ton of PC apps: http://electron.atom.io/
It's pretty amusing how definitive you are about everything you state while obviously knowing nothing about the field...
If you could write code
I guarantee I have written more "code" to embed Flash and know more about Flash than you do. I have ported it to several set top boxes & TVs and was using it to develop rich Internet apps (email, photo browsers, news feeds, etc) back in 1998.
HTML5 still requires a browser.
HTM5 requires an HTML rendering engine and Javascript interpreter just like Flash requires the flash rendering engine and Actionscript interpreter.
You can embed HTML5 rendering engines into apps just like you can embed Flash rendering engines. There is nothing more inherently secure in either approach.
EXACTLY! Just what do people think the *deep* in "deep learning" means? I (and I'm sure many here) played around with 2-3 layer networks 20 years ago, and while fun, they just can't perform real world tasks. Every layer you add can exponentially increase the connections. Once you start trying to emulate "human intelligence" you are literally talking thousands of "layers" (though at that point we are beyond even what is currently comprehensible).
What you are thinking of is NOT "AI".
"For flash there's html5". Sure, if you want turn-of-the-century performance on modern hardware. Party like it's 1999, because html5 whatever. At least you could run flash standalone, without a stupid browser to add another layer of insecurity.
What the F are you talking about? That was the only thing I actually *agreed* with...
I guess either you totally misunderstood the meaning of the AC's comment (HTML5 can replace Flash) or you totally misunderstand how Flash works ("standalone" = AIR, which is probably worse than running Flash in a secure browser like Chrome as it provides even more access to OS features).
Sure they did - not very effective, was it?
Really, just going to quote your fearless leader, Trumpkin?
Do you even know what the initials SJW means? And if you do, what about fighting for social justice is an insult? Boggles the mind how people try to use equal rights advocacy as a slander. I'm sure you think MLK, WEB, SBA, etc are all "goddamn SJWs". But go for it, I guess, if you have to hate...
Current systems are more than capable of doing NLP and voice recognition locally. Even if you go with generic ANN approach for recognition you don't need exotic hardware to use a trained network. Granted all of this requires specialized skills but far from unreasonable.
Since you seem to know the basics of ANN-based AI but not the details, check this article out to get into the current decade, it's a good overview of how much resources it really takes to do ANN right: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/1...
Summary is: sure you can do really crappy NLP locally, but what Google has started doing is at another level entirely. And that's not even at the level that will be required to really get "intelligent agents" to be truly useful. The limiting factor to ANN right now is computing power (and/or much more special purpose hardware). That's the reason it was nearly abandoned 20 years ago and revived recently - it was impossible with the previous concepts of "supercomputers", etc and now only with massively distributed computing has it been possible to actually simulate the multilevel networks required.
Do you just not know anything about this very publicly discussed topic, or are you one of the douchebags who actively discourages accepting commits from women or others outside of your social circle?
Of course they have real value. If you buy one for $10k you may only be able to sell it for $3k, but that's still REAL value. And that really just means the "value" was $3K and you paid too much originally.
I don't disagree that the diamond industry is a complete and utter scam, but like many luxuries, art, etc value is what the market decides it is.
That's stupid. We have been fucking with the planet we LIVE ON for thousands of years. We couldn't make a dent in the mass of the moon if we hammered it with nuclear missiles, let alone mining.
Free phone OS is firefox OS, ubuntu phone
No, RTFA. They are creating a new one (Replicant) based on Android. Firefox OS is a joke.
For flash there's html5
That doesn't even make sense. Sure, apps are moving to HTML5, but that has nothing to do with FSF, it just means FSF priorities in 2008 were ultimately wrong.
Decentralization is ownCloud.
Wha? Really?? That's just a lame alternative to other cloud file storage service that no one actually uses. It doesn't remotely touch anything Facebook, Apple or Google really do.
I looked at the projects from 2008, and AFAIK none of them have really made much progress or are already dead. Gnash, really? Luckily for everyone (except Adobe) Flash is in it's death knell in 2017. Coreboot is a great concept (I have used LinuxBIOS in a couple of projects) but ultimately doomed because firmware/BIOS is intimately tied to hardware - it will be great for hobby projects but by definition never be useful for mainstream PCs. And so it goes down the list...
And the 2017 list... Free smartphone OS basically seems to be "free Android" - I'm sure it will be about as successful at the 2008 goal with "gNewSense". FSF personal assistant? Could it be possible they don't understand how these work? It's trivial client software with billions of dollars in server hardware behind it. And seriously, "projects that replace Google, Facebook Apple, and so on"? Again, you don't replace those unless you have billions in backend investment and billions of users.
I commend them on finally trying to address the totally dysfunctional open source community in terms of female and minority inclusion, but they still need to prioritize actual useful *projects*, not just processes...
I am very pro H1B and I agree with most of these.
1) The key point: Silicon Valley companies are paying 6 figures out of college for top talent. So for someone to be worth importing (and I believe many are), obviously $100k should be a minimum.
2) Paying a 10% tax? Maybe for 1 year, since it costs at least $10k to hire someone (probably also from out of the country, but at least they are putting their money where their mouth is when claiming there are no equivalent candidates (which I believe is often true!).
3) Bidding? The problem is if you limit the VISAs it just turns it into an oligopoly where Google, etc steals all of the top-top talent and no one even gets the rest. Bidding only works if you open it up to the full free market, someone needs to get the 2nd round draft pick who eventually kicks everyone's ass.
4 - or 3.2?!?) Cardiac surgeons. Yes! That's the exact problem. There is NO shortage of cardiac surgeons. There are 5x more medical residents that could be cardiac surgeons than get the chance. The problem is we make them all feel like professional and financial failures because they don't become cardiac surgeons...