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Trump's Executive Order Eliminates Privacy Act Protections For Foreigners (whitehouse.gov)
Long-time Slashdot reader Kernel Kurtz writes
: January 28 is supposed to be Data Privacy Day, so it seems fitting in an alternative sort of way that U.S. President Trump just signed an executive order that eliminates Privacy Act protections for foreigners. As a non-American, I find it curious that the person who says he wants to bring jobs to America is simply confirming the post-Snowden belief that America is not a safe place to do business.
The Privacy Act has been in place since 1974. But now section 14 of Trump's "Enhancing Public Safety" executive order directs federal agencies to "ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information" to the extent consistent with applicable law.
The Privacy Act has been in place since 1974. But now section 14 of Trump's "Enhancing Public Safety" executive order directs federal agencies to "ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information" to the extent consistent with applicable law.
Who wants to visit a broken down piece of crap US run by a stupid cunt like Trump. Happy to stay in civillsation.
You really think there is a thing such as privacy?
"to the extent consistent with applicable law"
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports, and spreading chaos at tech companies.
Seriously - when someone manages to escape a civil war and work his way into the tech industry - we shouldn't send him or his family back at the airport when he's traveling or living here on a valid visa.
These are our friends and colleagues. If we don't speak up for them, we have no honor.
Seriously, ban legal, visa-holder residents for 90 days? Was he expecting that not to turn into a shitshow?
This is what happens when you let Bannon write foreign policy.
The Privacy Act does not protect non-US persons, which is problematic for the exchange of Passenger Name Record information between the US and the European Union.
The privacy act already doesn't apply to non-US persons.
21st Century Renaissance Man
Umm, no.
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
let him unilaterally decide whatever he wants.
I don't remember the United States being a monarchy.
At what point does Congress tell him he's not a king?
Yep, starting with getting rid of the stupid orange babbon who is president.
Uneducated Racists are behind Trump 500% !!!
Is it true that Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sadia Arabia the three countries you think would of been on the top of that list weren't included, three countries that Trump has strong business ties with?
Your not a US citizen. You have some work permit or other documents?
Most nations keep vast databases on that for tax, length of stay, who a person works for or the other reason they are in a nation e.g. work, education, holiday.
i.e. within the limits of the Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Act.
Is the person still working, have they changed jobs? What qualifications?
If their work ends in the they can try for another job, study or return to their own nation.
The exceptions are in place for enforcement purposes, congressional investigations.
The Arrival and Departure Information System, ATS got an exemption from the privacy act.
Wanting to enter the USA does not grant a lot of instant protections for foreigners. If your documents are not correct, or policy has changed, like any other nation, questions can be asked or permission can even be revoked. Been granted some permission to move around the USA or work is not citizenship. That green card its not the same as been a US citizen.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Don't you have a 4chan circle jerk to attend to?
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CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
The 4chan crowd certainly is. A lovely little army of online Brownshirts.
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You forgot the words "bigoted", "misogynist", and "Hitler".
Your shill-pay will be docked 25%.
Yours truly,
G. Soros
My town has its shitty parts for sure (I live in Chicago), but my car isn't dented (it's just your standard 4-door Lexus sedan, not the SUV model). I simply don't want my country flushed down the toilet by Moslems and terrorists, and somehow I'M the uneducated retard (I hold a Masters degree in economics). Hopefully one day you'll wake up and realize how out of touch you are with honest, hard working Americans.
How much is Vladimir Putin paying you?
Surely he will dock your pay for using a reference as obscure as George Soros. Only retarded right wing assholes care about him, and they are already on Team Putin.
Or are you just shilling for Putin's Puppet free of charge?
And what do you suppose the odds of you being a victim of a terrorist attack? Seriously here. Stop and think for a minute. Are you making a rational assessment? In general terms, the biggest causes of death in America are heart disease and cancer, with accidental deaths being choking, automobile accidents and falls. Terrorist attacks are so far down the list that you might as well start worrying about lightning strikes taking you down. That's why you're a retard, because you're unable to assess risk with anything approaching rationality, are easily stirred up, and really are the most delicate of little snowflakes.
Seek out a psychiatrist, and in the meantime, take a fucking statistics course.
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Thank you once again for demonstrating why Trump won. You lefties still keep looking in the wrong directions rather than the mirror.
Your tears are delicious.
I don't want my country flushed down the toilet by uneducated retards like yourself.
I work with Muslims, and even though they don't drink they are nice people and we are lucky to have them in the country, and I'm glad that they are my colleagues.
Hopefully one day you will realize that Muslims are hard working Americans.
Leech.
That's right, I forgot to include the "accuse them of siding with Putin" angle. Well done, Open Societies initiate!
I'm getting a bit..forgetful, in my old age.
G.Soros
You forgot the words "bigoted", "misogynist", and "Hitler".
Laugh it up, but Trump just ordered a weekly publication of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Hitler did the same back in the 40's. Google up "The Criminal Jew".
Personally, I blame George Soros.... while ignoring obvious treason by the "President" of course..
Yep, my calling morons on their bullshit is why Trump won alright.
If only I hadn't noticed that you uneducated retards are fucking stupid Hillary would have won. And imagine the implications of her fucking emails - Way worse than Trump's treason!
You sound like a Nazi.
And wise, worldly, educated elders are behind Trump 1000%
Meanwhile, the gullible, easily misled, liberal brownshirts are busy being tools of the global elite neocons by executing their programming in protests, riots, and cliched outbursts. Say a prayer for those poor lost souls, as they will be soon be replaced by an AI that spews the hitler, racist, xenophobe phrases faster than their damaged minds ever could.
Do foreigners have identical rights and privileges as anerican citizens?. If so, what's the point of having citizenship?
This site does does seem to be getting more political and less technical in the choice of stories being put forward.
Key phrase.
When the Cato Institute is calling you out on racist policies you know you're up shit creek.
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Umm, no.
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
And how does allowing talented immigrants in not "fix" America? If we always did what Trump is doing, we'd be way behind the rest of the world technologically. Einstein was a refugee and so was Wernher von Braun (though he was a refugee for a much different reason.)
Speak of Wernher von Braun; he got to skip the gallows because of his knowledge, and if we didn't keep him we would have lost the space race for sure -- something to keep in mind if we're going to kick out immigrants from potentially hostile foreign nations, as that could cost us our next space race.
Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports, and spreading chaos at tech companies.
Seriously - when someone manages to escape a civil war and work his way into the tech industry - we shouldn't send him or his family back at the airport when he's traveling or living here on a valid visa.
These are our friends and colleagues. If we don't speak up for them, we have no honor.
We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men (and women) are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I realize it is not part of the constitution, though I wish it was. A great nation should not define American rights. It should define and be the standard for human rights. That we make excuses and special cases for our own rules shows our weakness.
Yes, America should lead, and yes, America should focus on first taking care of its family, and those who come to be a part of it, but we are not just citizens of America, but of the greater world. Putting our head in the sand is not the solution.
The british science fiction show often used the United Nations Intelligence Task force as the go to military solution when it came to fighting off real aliens. I have to ask, why is this not a real thing? Why as a planet do we have an organisation that arises above our petty self interests?
As far as I know, the UN may agree to send forces, but they are not UN forces, but rather a collection of forces from other places. What if the UN controlled real forces, taken from every member country? What if serving there somehow became a matter of pride?
Is such a thing even possible?
I wonder how many of these executive orders will stand up to judicial scrutiny?
A lot fewer than have/will be made I suspect.
With these orders coming out, the USA is one of the last places I want to visit.
North Korea is lower down at least at the moment....
You will starve, and it isn't the commie liberal SJWs who have the guns.
CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right? Let me guess, you'll just cut the power to all of the poor people's houses so that the industry there can remain intact? May as well because there are so many homeless people (and multiple families crowded into one single family home) there that you may as well just make everybody who isn't making at least $200,000 a year go the rest of the way to destitution.
Oh, and how did that Arizona boycott turn out for you? That lasted...what...two minutes?
And that's not even getting into the fact that if California seceded, they'd probably lose all of the rural counties that would want to form their own state (such as the already existing movement to form a state called Jefferson,) so California would have basically no farmland with all of those homeless people to feed.
Let me know how all of that works out.
And one of the things to fix is getting rid of America's xenophobia.
The ignorance.. it burns!
I left in 2012. It was clear with Obama that things were only going to get worse. And here we are at the worse part, and don't tell me for a second that things were either OK, or magically going to reverse itself.
GITMO fucking expanded during Obama's reighn. Remember that whole "you can take that to the bank" about closing gitmo?
Yeah, instead it was anything but.
We had drone strikes to kill US citizens without due process. how was that going to get better?
I got the fuck out.
The question is why are you still there??? GTFO!
I thought that Cato called Obama out on his racism pretty often, didn't they?
Oh, wait, did you think that Trump made that list of countries? Lawls no, Obama signed that into law a year or two ago.
See that "Preview" button?
Yup, terrorists in 9/11 weren't from any countries on Trump's list.
Don't forget all the immigrants who came over on the Mayflower and screwed things up.
This could be bad for US tech companies. As I understand it, this Act is important for the EU to allow US companies to store information for EU-customers on US servers. No privacy-protection could mean all that has to be moved to the EU.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring state
They're called rolling brownouts and it's nothing new for CA.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meâ"and there was no one left to speak for me.
Trump is holding our nation hostage.
He's going to do stuff like this, but then only undo it if you pay his toll, whatever that might be.
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It would start to get interesting if they also published by race. hhmm 60% of violent crime committed by a visible 12% of the population...
Now, as to Congress, well I'm assuming here that these executive orders are based on powers bequeathed to the President by Congress, in which case if Congress doesn't like how Trump is using the powers that have been been granted to him by legislation, then they can amend or repeal any said legislation,...
Close. But let me pick a small, but inprotant, nitl
The Presiden't powers don't come from the Congress. The President's powers come from the Constitution. Some of them do amount to some component of "implementing the laws as passed by Congress". But not all of them are of that form; The others aren't generally subject to congress adding a "Do it this way / don't do it that way" prescription, and even their ability to specify HOW he executes that laws that they DID pass is limited.
The President is head of the Executive branch of the government - one of three co-equal branches. Rule of thumb: If ONE of the branches gets out of hand, it takes BOTH of the other two to override it - and it's a major boat-rocker to do so. When two branches disagree and the third sits it out, the first two each get to run their branches' things their own way.
Having said that: Much of the current over-power of the President and the Executive Branch IS the result of Congress shirking their own hard decisions by handing some of their OWN legislative power off to the Executive, in such forms as rule-making and war-powers preauthorizations. Those do act much as you describe. And they've been used to create the monumental overweening bureaucracy and set of "administrative rules" that Trump is now trying to dismantle, using the same mechanisms as were used to create it.
Trump inherited Obama's "Pen and Phone". The executive order is the writing of the pen. Presidents before him created a set of juggernauts. Trump gets to disassemble them (much to the joy of his supporters) to his heart's content - at least until the Congress takes its own delegated power back. As you point out that's not likely to happen any time soon (and his party has the majority in both houses for the next two years).
Meanwhile, the courts alone are limited in what they can do to counter him, both by the Constitution and their own rules of deferring to the executive unless there's good reason not to, avoiding an override of a law or executive action if a case can be decided on some other basis, limiting the scope of the laws or actions overridden to the minimum needed to decide a case, and not accepting a case for a ruing unless the prayug party is suffering real harm from the law or action being complained about. Further, the top court is tied 4 conservative 4 liberal, and Trump gets to appoint the ninth.
So I would expect Trump to rapidly and selectively smash away. (There's so MANY of these structures to smash, and so little time in no more than two Presidential terms.) And if Congress DOES try to take its power back before he leaves office, tweet about being thrown into briar patches and ROTFLMAO.
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Yes, people like you are making american shit
George Soros is a jew born in Hungary in 1930, and a holocaust survivor. Perhaps you should listen to him, he has experienced Trump before, albeit he was short, German and had a different name.
Consider:
(a) it does not affect citizens or permanent legal residents... just visitors.
(b) EVERY nation reserves the sovereign right to controlwho enters/exits their country and to examine EVERYTHING they carry with the only internationally recognized exception being "diplomatic bags" carried by ambassadors, thrie staffs,or couriers.
The only thing that this really does is make explicit a policy most countries do not talk about and like to pretend they do not exercise. In truth, governments have held to this set of rules for centuries and when they dance around denials of it they are lying.
Study some history instead of playing games or saturating on Facebook pages, and then you won't panic every time you see some article on the web that is designed tooutrage the ignorant.
You are still not bright enough to figure and that left vs right is dumbed down politics for kids. You really think there are only two sides to every issue, no middle ground? Just look around, Trump is not even Republican at heart, he has none of the ideals that Republicans have had for the last 50 years (though he shares the isolationist stance the GOP had before the great depression). Everyone I know who voted for Trump did so while holding their noses - they are not celebrating Trump's win, they know they voted for what they thought was the lesser of two evils and now they're buckling up to prepare for what the lesser evil is going to do. Only the Tea Party faction is for wholesale destruction of the government. Trump would make Reagan puke in disgust.
And stop acting like Cartman. Sheesh, this is REAL LIFE and not some stupid sports game where you get drunk and start a fight on the field based upon who is holding the ball at the moment. Sober up, stop swaggering, and start paying attention.
US legal protection of personal data has never really been strong enough to allow data to be stored there. As the regime becomes even more authoritarian, I expect to see even more companies moving their data to countries that still have some form of functioning democracy. As a (thankfully) non-American, I certainly don't want my data stored there. However, I'm willing to give Trump a chance. While he may be a misognistic, petty, racist, and arrogant simpleton, his destruction of 'free' trade agreements is a definitely positive move. He might also opt for a less militaristic and crazy foreign policy. I'm sure domestically, he'll be a disaster, but rather him than the threat to world peace and stability posed by crazy Hillary.
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If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese and you wouldn't be writing it from your iPhone...
Thing about lending someone a hand? They do tend to reciprocate.
Thing about giving someone the back of your hand? They do tend to reciprocate.
Just sayin'.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese
Um, no. Japan was losing anyhow.
... foreign countries companies will - not would like to - finish their contracts with american data and computer companies. Therefore it makes much sense to lay off masses of affected programmers. Thank you Donald for this (un-)presidential order. In acting so you will not be able to create new jobs but destroy many existing ones!
We want nothing to do with that guy, you keep him.
But he does have investments in those countries so he needs to go easy on them.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Every time someone posts that "California pays for all the mid-country rednecks" , I feel like the internet gets stupider.
http://www.mercurynews.com/201...
California doesn't pay for the rest of the economy. California has been so deep in debt from spending money it doesn't have that it can't even count the debt anymore. Here's an in-depth look at California's state finances: https://ballotpedia.org/Califo....
The Feds throw California another 30% on top of their budget, and they their arrears are astonishing.
I'm not anti-California or pro-anywhere-else.... but Jesus. Find something worth bragging on. It's not California's Revenue vs. Expenditures or money management skills - because the only competition California has for financial mismanagement is New York and Detroit.
They say for foreigners, but what few people realize is how identities are gathered in the first place. From a soon to be Red Scare 1950s rehash point of view, this was incredibly clever. In other words, it would allow full disclosure of information from social media accounts without warrants (like when TSA asks for volunteered social media accounts) and any American that uses "foreign" VPNs. Any info you have about your citizenship status needs to be erased now or they will cache everything and it won't matter because of digital fingerprinting. And since everyone decided to start using Facebook to message people, there's all of those conversations too. Signal is your best friend right now. I have both used Google Analytics and Piwik (no outside control) and it is creepy how much info you can get from a visitor. All though, I honor the Do Not Track option.
Oh right the Enron thing.
Fuck off, shitshirt.
Honour,in America !!!
The USA lost the space race -- first to space? first woman in orbit? first to mars? first space rover? first to venus?
About the only thing the USA did manage first was a human to the moon and that was pretty dicey.
They're called rolling brownouts and it's nothing new for CA.
California doesn't have active rolling brownouts, however if it lost its grid connectivity with neighboring states, you'd see much worse than even rolling blackouts, never mind brownouts. Most importantly you'd see a massive increase in energy costs there, and in which case, guess who would lose it first?
California is the 6th largest economy in the world.
Ponder that for a moment.
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I don't know what the fuss is about? That citizen rights are for citizens and legal permanent residents?
Is it wrong for any reason other than "Hitler did it"?
Hitler ate apples. Do you happen to eat apples?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar
The only reason your family suffers is because they can't make it in a meritocracy. It's certainly not because of the color of the skin they were born with, or the country they were born in. It's the idiots like you who think they have a birthright that are ruining the US.
"Old man yells at systemd"
Last Christmastime I was back at Venice Beach. It was about lunchtime and I'm walking along a couple streets back from the boardwalk. I look up, and here is this Asian Indian guy with a kid. The guy is off to the side with his pants down taking a dump! His kid is nearby peeing on the curb. Unbelievable even for Venice Beach. No I did not vote for Trump. But I've started rethinking this whole immigration thing. Anyone who lives in California already knows that there are some really serious quality of life issues. Don't even get me started on San Francisco. Maybe we should have a breather for a while and rethink what type of people we want here.
This site does does seem to be getting more political and less technical in the choice of stories being put forward.
It's not just here. It's everywhere. For instance:
- I run into these arguments on a computer experts mailing list.
- I see them keep popping up on an alternative energy BBS - bringing the board operators out to repeatedly admonish the posters about the "no political discussions" rule.
- (I'd probably see them in more places but I've been sick as a dog this last week.)
- My wife sees them on a num ber of mailing lists, facebook friends groups, and so on that she's on, including a chicken-breeder's discussion group(!)
As I read it:
- The left-wing movement currently called things like "progressivism" has, for generations, infiltrated power-base organizations and used social pressure to turn their members into group-think clones and the organizations into tools for further expansion and for implementation of their policies. They've just received their first major setback in half a century. Their carefully constructed mechanisms, which they thought were about to give them an unbreakable lock on power, either massively failed to perform or are going onto the chopping block with Trump wieldng the axe. So they are doubling down, frantically applying their tactics, redoubled, in every venu they can still access;
- Their non-members (especially those in rural and/or "fly-over" locations, after decades of being gaslighted, just received a massive sanity-check and became connected with many others who think like them. Further, they saw the other side exposed as what they'd consider evil and corrupt - first by the leaks, then by the tantrum after the loss. With this for armor, they are resisting social-pressure attacks rather than backing down.
So IT'S ON!
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CA has dealt with this before, I was there at the time and it wasn't a big deal.
> Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports
Worse. They are blocking green-card holders and residents on visas.
Impressive is the person who has a Masters in economics and worries about terrorism. Mostly because I guess you can work formulas but can't do basic risk analysis.
"Old man yells at systemd"
You cannot fix these things BEFORE. These things can onlty be fixed DURING helping someone else.
OK, if you want to play the odds argument with me, MightyMartian. I have a bowl of 1000 chocolates for you to try. One of the chocolates is poisoned and will kill you in minutes with no antidote. Still want to eat any of the chocolates from my bowl? No, you most certainly will not, because while the risk is statistically low, it is an easily avoidable risk, and you can get non-poisoned candy just about anywhere. Yet here you are, making the argument to pour more candies into the bowl, even though you know that some of the new candies will be poisoned too. And you expect all of us, and our children to eat a few, with the argument being that the odds of anyone dying are pretty low... even though it is a nearly 100% certainty that some innocent people will die. It sounds pretty foolish when all the bleeding heart PC bullshit is stripped away doesn't it?
Also, just note that the highest lifetime or old age killers are heart disease and cancer, however, these are accepted and as of now unavoidable risks. Terrorists tend to kill preferentially people in their prime along with children. The impact on society of an old person dying of cancer is minimal and to a degree expected (we all have to die of something), while the death of a child or adult in their prime is far more disruptive and detrimental to individuals, families and society as a whole. Also, the mortality rate in those age brackets makes the chances of dying from terrorism exponentially larger, since very few children or 30 year old adults die of heart disease or cancer.
Beyond the simple statistics is the problem I allude to in my chocolates example. Terrorist attacks are a largely avoidable phenomena (check out Japan, they keep a close eye on their Muslim residents, including surveillance cameras in mosques and have had no terrorist attacks, BTW: funny no one shit a brick when Japan did this). To avoid Islamist terrorists, you must first realize that Islam practiced to the letter is violent and completely incompatible with the US laws and constitution, as well as American values and traditions. We allow freedom of religion up to the point where it violates the law. If your religion requires human sacrifice, and you kill someone in the practice of your religion, we sure as hell will hunt you down and prosecute you for committing murder. Many of the facets of Islam and Sharia law also violate basic laws in the US, up to and including honor killings, and killing the infidel and violent jihad, which are out and out murder.
We should do no less than any other nation and demand that all immigrants who come to America respect our laws and out beliefs, and if that is too much to ask of them, then they need to leave. We provide for freedom of religion, up to the point where that religion teaches treason, condones murder, mutilation and subjugation of women, slavery (and the list goes on).
The promise of freedom and prosperity that America offers comes at the price of requiring immigrants to become American, something that has almost been forgotten with all the multicultural BS. We are America, and we have our own culture. If your religion precludes you from adopting our beliefs, then I am sorry, but there is the door. America was founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy (sorry revisionists, you can suck it) and Islam played no part in our founding documents, no Muslim blood was shed to free us from oppression, and in fact, America's first armed conflict after gaining our independence was against Muslims (Barbary wars 1801-1816) who we had to go to war with because they were just as evil as the Islamists are today.
The US allows in more than 1,000,000 immigrants every year, more than any other country, but that doesn't mean we have to be stupid about it. There are plenty of people in line who do not ascribe to a worldview that is diametrically opposed to our beliefs.
Regarding the humanitarian crisis and refugees, it is much safer and more effective to set up safe zones in Iraq and Syria with UN soldiers from Muslim nati
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CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right? Let me guess, you'll just cut the power to all of the poor people's houses so that the industry there can remain intact? May as well because there are so many homeless people (and multiple families crowded into one single family home) there that you may as well just make everybody who isn't making at least $200,000 a year go the rest of the way to destitution.
They don't get that energy for free. They pay for it you fool. The United States has interconnects and significant energy trade with both Canada and Mexico. Integrating North American Energy Markets - Department of Energy
Fun fact - the World Trade Center terrorists did not hail from any of the 6 counties that our President has enacted a travel ban on, they hailed primarily from Saudi Arabia, our ally.
In the meanwhile you need to get out of your bubble and meet some Muslim people. You sound like you don't have a very diverse upbringing, well guess what there's a lot of diversity in America if you live and work in urban areas or technical fields. I have a colleague who is Muslim. She has a PhD in a technical field and wants to stay in the USA. She's the kind of person America should want to hang onto and not drive away. Yet now her parents in her home country likely won't be able to get a visa to visit her here, and she has no idea if the greencard she is in the application process for is still a possibly in this new scaremongering era of Trump.
> I simply don't want my country flushed down the toilet by Moslems and terrorists
So you're a coward who's terrified of his shadow, and is fine with revoking rights given to lawful permanent citizens who have gone through extensive immigration background checks. You've elected a dictator and it won't be long before he destroys things you hold dear.
Are the people coming in from Syria "talented"?
I don't know what the fuss is about? That citizen rights are for citizens and legal permanent residents?
The people upset are either globalists who do not believe in the concept of "citizens," "nations," or "borders," or are being taught / funded by them.
Japan had literally no chance of winning the war once the US decided to fight. It was only a question of WHEN they would lose, not if. They even recognized that and performed Pearl Harbor in the hopes of making the US give up early, as that was the only plausible way they would come out ahead. Rejecting the German scientists would have cost us a lot of post-war gains, but wouldn't have affected the war that much.
As the noose around democracy's neck tightened.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Because having an international military force controlled by China and Russia (who both hold permanent seats on the Security Council in case you've forgotten) is a wonderful idea.
What you're talking about is what the conspiracy theorists are talking about when they blabber about the New World Order. Ponder the idea of making conspiracy theories true for a moment.
I wonder how many of these executive orders will stand up to judicial scrutiny?
A lot fewer than have/will be made I suspect.
Ordering the drafting of one, checking it when it's done, sending it back for revision if necessary, and signing it, takes what? A quarter day? That means he can do several a DAY and keep it up as long as he's in office. (He'd need to, even if the courts don't strike even one. There are SO MANY things to shut down and at most he has less than three thousand days to do it - and all the OTHER presidential work as well.) Cost is trivial, since the manpower is already on staff and paid for by government funds.
Pushing opposition to an order's implementation, into and through court, takes months to years. (Again, the government pays for Trump's side, this time to push back.) There's no guarantee it will work, or that it will affect more than a small part of the order if it does work.
For a historic example of how this can work, see how F.D.R. used it to create The New Deal, including its welfare state and fascist control of industry. (The latter mostly got knocked down in court, the former is still with us - all grown up and entrenched.)
Or look at what Obama did with his "Pen and Phone" and a Democratic Party dominated Congress.
Then consider that, in general, (and in contrast to neocon claims,) it's easier to break something than to build it.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
No it's because you're willing to live in countries where people shit in the streets, rivers, and everything else but the toilet and take $5000/year.. The rest of us are not.
Are the people coming in from Syria "talented"?
Papa Jobs bra... Papa Jobs....
I did Google it. Then I realized that to be "the same" it would have to be applied specific to a race, as Hitler's was. Trump's isn't.
Really only needed to read your search term itself for that, though.
Now the Canadian census is mandatory and uses US equipment, hopefully this will be enough to fight it under Canadian privacy laws.
Your analogy is off by orders of a magnitude. Quit trying to justify irrational fear.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The key part of this is "yearning to breath free"
People who move to a place to then try and impose the rules of the places they moved from are not the type of people who are wanted.
Actually your comparison is nonsense. The odds are not 1 in 1000 they are more towards 1 in 100,000 or even more but let's use 1 in 1000 as it's clearly easier for you.
If 1 person in 1000 was a rotten terrorist, bent on who knows what and in the remaining 999 group of people there was a nurse, a teacher and a bus driver. All fairly common professions. (notice I did not cherry pick a doctor) would you reject the entire group because of the POSSIBILITY one was a terrorist?
So far the people killing more US citizens than any one else are US citizens via mass shootings. You think 9/11 was preventable if you banned some immigrants or something??
If actual terrorists can plan an attack they can also plan fake passports or access via allowed channels. Japan had terrorist attacks and it was not by Muslims. A determined attacker willing to sacrifice his own life is not avoidable with passport control. Education, support frameworks and friendship are better tools.
The typical psychological scenario of violent sociopaths and terrorists as well is that they were socially isolated and thus begun to hate the group that rejected them. Yes, extremism prays on this and indoctrinates the feeble minded with BS but it starts somewhere.
You say "we are America". You have an idea of what that means that not all Americans share. Common sense is not common. It is thoroughly irrational to think that the idea you have of a geography is the same idea that another person in the same geography holds. It's not about religion it's about people.
People are different.
America was founded on Judeo Christian belief?? you mean after the natives were bought, cheated and killed? -I guess they don't count then because they are not Jews or Christians?
You just want people that think differently to be put in some box ha?
Men and women often think differently and such stupid views have, in the past, given a strong preference to male female segregation. What does that do? adds more confusion, less understanding and less acceptance. That's just between the sexes of the same people.
You want to keep people with diametrically opposed views out?! what's your stance on God? religion? abortion? gun control? tell me your single held conviction and I will find an American, born and bred that strongly opposes that view.
This is how Trump won. You are so engrossed in hating, rejecting and misunderstanding democracy itself.
Your world view and reasoning structure is practically medieval. If you are such an enlightened (non-evil) individual and your way of life is SO MUCH better why not teach others? why not elevate the rest of the world instead of rejecting it?
In a language you can process; if you reject others and deny them help forget about them helping you but if you just let your struggling neighbour rot that stink will be in your house too. (isn't that very much against the spirit of Judeo-Christian beliefs anyhow??)
Why are all Trump supporters pedophiles?
So IT'S ON!
I'll get the popcorn.
Getting rid of the system that placed him there in first place would be a much better measure.
Gone with the bipartisan system, Gone with the ways that both candidates used to manipulate the whole thing, at a point the two less popular candidates by far got to the finals, And well, gone with the horrid collectivist racist cult the left is following right now to be back into a decent, working men and poor protecting party.
If you don't fix those, americans will just elect worse and worse and worse.
Now it reads "No Vacancy"
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
That's the state budget you dummy. Californians contribute more to federal revenue in proportion to what they get back than all but a handful of other (blue) states. That's why it's fair to say that CA subsidizes red states. Whether or not that's a good argument for secession is another story.
As Bill Maher (Liberals usually seem to like him) noted, there's something that changes this whole equation: Nukes.
Captured, bought, or engineered, none of which are definitively beyond the capacity of ISIS inclusive of those ideologically aligned.
Without German scientists we wouldn't have had the A-bomb, and we would have had to invade the Japanese home islands, costing potentially hundreds of thousands of US soldiers.
But that presumes that if we didn't have the bomb then nobody would. Remember, Japan didn't care who was Jewish. If those scientists were accepted in Japan or the USSR instead of the US, things would be much different now.
dom
Which part of the constitution/country is founded on "Judeo-Christian philosophy"? Go ahead, site a source. I'll wait.
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
No idea? Ask Steve Job's dad?
You know how Trump's slogan is "America First"? Well, it's not a coincidence that America First is the actual name of an organization that thought Hitler didn't need to be stopped.
If you don't think there's any association between America First and Nazis or Hitler, check out this and this.
dom
Conservative leaning is a weird way to describe libertarianism.
Trump is holding our nation hostage.
He's going to do stuff like this, but then only undo it if you pay his toll, whatever that might be.
I wish TRUMP to do so much damage to republican voters (unfortunately also everyone else) that come next election the Republicans are voted out of Congress for the next 10 generations (including at the state level). End of Republicans moderate or not, end of Tea partiers, end of the fucking alt-right.
Shitskins raus!
Is it true that Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sadia Arabia the three countries you think would of been on the top of that list weren't included, three countries that Trump has strong business ties with?
The fucking TRUMP should ban Saudi's for ever entering the US. Now that would be a step in the right direction since most of the 9/11 terrorists came from that hell hole of islamic fundamentalism.
Jesus fuck. It's an artsy inscription on a statue the French made for us. No one involved in creating it polled the American people to see what they thought. A fucking committee is behind the thing. It's not some sacred expression of US ideology.
Trump didn't "eliminate" these protections. They never existed to begin with... The "privacy act" never applied to foreigners. Only to US citizens and permanent residents. Just read the 1974 law yourself, 5 U.S. Code 552a - Records maintained on individuals, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a
(a) Definitions.---For purposes of this section--- ...
(2) the term “individual” means a citizen of the United States or an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence;
Saudi Arabia already does the appropriate background checks an visa applicants that the US now requires of the other countries. This isn't about banning countries; it's about vetting visa applicants.
You can take some hints. Only the wealthiest are able to pay the high costs to escape or be smuggled out. Then from those teeming masses, a few are cherry-picked for relocation. Then that's whittled down even further through background checks, and interviews over the course of a few years. If you think we're importing illiterate idiots through this whole process, well, I could be wasting my time trying to explain this to you.
You didn't call out the international Jew as the primary instigator of this liberal/degenerate onslaught, which is a black mark against you. Otherwise, your analysis is pretty damn solid.
Now it reads "No Vacancy"
Good, the French should require Lady Liberty back. We'll find a place for it in Paris.
I mean, why bother about the rights and health of war prisoners who are not American? This guy's moral compass is so defective that he does not even recognize _practical_ morals anymore: the only way to convince others to heed your rights is to heed theirs. And it's not even a zero-sum game since no other nation flouts itself over the Internet like the U.S. does.
The Cato institute is funded largely by Jews, and the Jew is the primary driver of the multicult destroying white countries.
Are people who came before them "talented"?
They were not immigrants, they were conquerors.
You mean the guy who married a H-1B visa turned green card (for "extraordinary ability") fashion model? Yea, a real patriot. Clearly he cares about keeping out those dirty immigrants and holding back those who steal American jobs--unless he can personally fuck them.
You're obviously referring to the n!gger violence epidemic. Speak the truth openly, AC. We're in the right here, and it's time n!ggers were held to account.
Conservatives are all about fellating big business. Libertarians are all about letting big business run wild with no restraints whatsoever. You need a venn diagram?
You're more likely to be killed by your living room furniture than by a "terrorist". No, I'm not kidding.
When that was written, there was no welfare state - so people came to contribute to the country, not to leech off of it.
Open immigration or generous welfare: pick one.
That's the American storyline that you learned in school. But as is frequently the case, it's complete horseshit. The Japanese navy was already destroyed, the three most powerful navies in the world (UK, France, US) were free to focus on containing Japan, and the Russian army was marching eastward. There was no need to invade and force your orgasm, I mean unconditional surrender, with an invasion.
Before Trump became president I did wonder if some of the fears were a bit overblown... I mean, would he really cancel elections in 4 years time if it looks like he was going to lose? But now he is ordering investigations into voter fraud, which everyone who has looked at it concluded never happened on any significant scale (certainly not the 3 million or whatever his latest claim is).
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Riiiight, because we had to use nukes to end their occupation of California, or something. The Japanese navy was already destroyed, and their army driven back to their own lands before the nukes were dropped.
Obama similar executive order in 2011 for Iraq for 6 months and then signed the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 https://www.congress.gov/bill/... , which restricted Libya, Somalia, and Yemen 3 of the 7 countries .
Consular nonreviewability applies to this case. Legal Aliens at the border have virtually no constitutional rights, this settled case law. The judge is way out of line shooting down the other order.
If the United States was a meritocracy, George W. Bush would be lucky to be the assistant manager of a Burger King, and you'd find 50% of investment bankers and dot com millionaires coming from a background of destitution because they studied hard in school.
Removing privacy rights for foreigners is also likely to make the US more vulnerable to attack, because countries will stop sharing information. The EU won't give the US data on travellers, for example.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
NYC here. I was on the subway last night and all of a sudden there was a heavy river of liquid rolling down the car towards my feet. I figured somebody dropped their water bottle but no, it was this white guy who let loose with a flood of urine. He didn't seem to mind, just shifted in his seat and relaxed back. I didn't vote for Trump either. But I'm beginning to see that certain types of people just can't hold their water. I'm not sure I like having them riding in the same car I'm in, some rethinking is in order here.
Now he just needs to introduce laws discriminating against Arabs already in the country, to reduce their numbers in prestigious professions; bias the courts against them; and get some more propaganda blaming them for everything that's wrong with the world. Then he'll have caught up with the Nazis in the 1930s ... or the feminists today.
Austrian.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
With the socialists yet again performing selective judicial enforcement/character assasination of a republican candidate, à population that after 4.5 years of Holland can see the strings being pulled and refuse to vote for another socialist, our next president may well be Marine and lady liberty will be refused at the border.
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department." says Wernher von Braun.
From "That was the Year that was" by Tom Lehrer. I am not sure that the Trump era is the best time to praise the merits of scientists leaving morals to their respective state leaders to deal with.
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded because Americans are predictable morons. He knew exactly what he was doing, how we would react, and what the result would be. And you let him.
George Soros is a jew born in Hungary in 1930, and a holocaust survivor. Perhaps you should listen to him, he has experienced Trump before, albeit he was short, German and had a different name.
Not to mention that his hair-born brain parasite ("croyel") anchored itself at the front rather than the top of his head.
I'm presuming you're white, given that you're ragging on about 'speak[ing] up for them'. Let me tell you this: there is no honor whatsoever in speaking up for non-whites, because it is the EASIEST fucking thing in the world to do. You'll meet ZERO resistance 'speaking up' for the rights of non-whites. Hundreds of millions are poured into a slew of organizations every year to agitate for non-white interests over our own; all the media is on board, all the academics do it - the entire fucking PC establishment does it - and you think it's somehow 'honorable' to join in as one more voice in that chorus? Please!
You don't know the meaning of honor.
If you want do something truly honorable, try putting yourself out there at personal risk and facing REAL opposition. Fight for the rights of your own people in today's hostile, anti-white environment.
Of course, we both know you won't do it, because you're a spineless, virtue signalling faggot.
Hello Adolf! We all thought you had decomposed by now!
Are the people coming in from Syria "talented"?
They were smart and skilled and resourceful enough to run and escape when it counted. Which is more than can be said for the African slave workers the U.S. decided to force into the country for an extended time span.
It can't hurt for us to keep our word, for starters. We already gave them the assurance of the US government that they could travel to/stay in the country--now they try to act on this, and we tell them, "HA-ha! We had our fingers crossed!"?
As a practical matter, if Trump keeps up such shenanigans, it might not be very long at all before Americans visiting or living overseas find their visas vanishing into thin air in retaliation.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria
So we should ignore terrorism until it enters the top 10 of causes of death ?
George Soros would bankrupt a country if he could come out with a decent profit. He's the last person we should be listening to.
The fact you think there is such a thing as a white country means you should be in prison being arsed raped like the Nazi piece of shit you are. FYI, I am white too.
You've got a real hangup with simple bodily functions. You should discuss it with your therapist.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Muslims are coming for Jews. Shall we speak out ?
Which changes nothing about was is the reality of the situation, and what criteria does, and does not apply.
Yes, given "Muslim" isn't a race, it is an ideology, and one that explicitly directs its followers to kill those who aren't (yes, misrepresent that as well, the facts will still be the facts), on a pragmatic level, it is a good idea to scope who you want to not allow into the country because they might kill you, to those who implicitly state they want to kill you.
This causes Constitutional problems, so it's rendered into a less accurate nationality-based scoping of who wants to kill us. Not a surprising accommodation, or process, on a legal level.
Muslims are free to repudiate the Koran's stance on this any time they like. When they don't (and they don't), that their position is what their position is according to their religion, should be assumed in an abundance of caution. When a functional vetting is in place, to verify their position isn't what their position ideologically is, then immigration will resume. Trump's order is not a permanent ban, it is a pause. Yes, this will be lied about as well, by a left that wants to respond equally to both group A, that is peaceful, and group B, that wants to kill group A. That depth of irrationality, unfortunately, can't be corrected by a repudiation or clarification of Left ideology. It's way to deep for that.
I'm back baby, bigger and better than ever. It's the 1930's all over again.
First doesn't matter. Doing it right matters. The US has the best space tech in the world. Trump's going to ruin that, sure, but at least for now we're good.
Yeah! Fuck freedom and liberty for everybody! What this world needs is more oppression.
SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? y
1 TIC-TAC-TOE
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Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I find it ironic that you don't recognize that people like you are one of the problems you mentioned that needs fixing.
Feel free to return to wherever it was that your ancestors came from, then.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Really? Since when does Slashdot have sympathy for big tech?
It is pretty obvious that the list is a list of U.S. non-allies and 'non-secure' countries
Let's see...
Iran-Long time 'enemy' of the U.S.
Iraq-LOL
Libya- Not even a state currently.
Somalia-Gratuitious pirating
Sudan - civil war
Syria-on going civil war
Yemen-the quiet civil war
Countries with governments worth a damn who are absent from the list...
Indonesia
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Turkey
Egypt
Pakistan
A 30 day travel ban is nothing.
I think you win the internet for today.
Why is this modded -1? It's absolutely true. People who want to impose their way of life need to get fucked, I don't care where they're from.
Seriously? You're going pick on girls for demanding to be treated well?
What did you expect from a president with no shame and no clue?
Uh, are you suggesting that whites aren't the most privileged in our society? Who is more privileged?
I took the liberty of updating that bit of The New Colossus to a more Trump-friendly version, with apologies to Emma Lazarus:
"Get away, you tired, you poor,
You huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
Keep this wretched refuse on your own teeming shore.
Remain homeless, tempest-tost far from me,
I shit here, on my golden throne!"
https://plus.google.com/+Niels...Ørgaard/posts/eDyVERPWz6S
What does that mean even? By some arbitrary quantity derived from some nonsensical macroeconomic model that doesn't have anything to do with actual real world?
Certain people in this country (and this administration) believe that we are currently reciprocating.
I know many like you, cowards that remain silent while our people are ethnically cleansed globally. But to celebrate that occurring is truly pathological. Why would the thought of a white country fill you with so much irrational rage?
Hated won't make your tiny dick bigger.
Uh, "white privilege" is Jewish sociological bullshit.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right?
You think those businesses would give up their profits just because some politicians draw a national boundary across the power line? If the western states lose CA tax support, they would be idiots to retaliate by blocking one of their own major exports.
The number of people who have committed terrorist acts in the US from the countries in the executive order between 1975 and 2015 is zero, so take that bowl of chocolates, remove any poison but do keep on screaming about it just like Trump is.
Austrian, Bavarian, Brandenburgian, who cares what kind of German..
Actually, it's Jews bringing in the Moslems.
Von Braun is a special case. He was at least indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands. Von Braun could be made to do anything the US government wanted of him. He was a virtual prisoner for years, if not the remainder of his life.
If you are suggesting that "talented immigrants" should be made virtual thralls to Uncle Sam in the manner of Von Braun, well . . . that certainly is an interesting viewpoint. H1-Bs are sort of in that boat, though corporations are their masters. Regardless they do a lot to disrupt the American labor market and drive down wages.
Well, given that the US doesn't have generous welfare (as far as it has any), I don't see the problem...
How's that kool-aid?
You are more likely to die falling out of bed than from a terrorist attack.
Falling out of bed is easily preventable (much, much easier than terrorist attacks, almost as easy as not eating chocolates).
So do you have guard rails installed on your bed? If not, why are you taking such a risk for minor convenience, yet are not willing to take the risk neither for humanitarian reasons nor for the benefits of skilled immigration and international goodwill?
Anyone complaining about terrorism but sleeping in a bed without guard rails is a hypocrite. It's a very simple test, remember to ask anyone going on and on about terrorism.
Well, with thal logic, Canadians and Mexicans are also Americans, making the wall Trump wants to build kind of moot.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Give? Please. We will just take it. There's fuck all you can do about it.
no Muslim blood was shed to free us from oppression
I'll just leave this here :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_the_United_States_military#Revolutionary_War
The two parties that are benefitting from the current system aren't going to change it, and nobody else can.
Lou Gramm is going to be pissed.
No, Bin Laden wanted to destroy the US.
So where were you when President Obama was causing all these issues?
I have a bowl of 1000 chocolates for you to try. One of the chocolates is poisoned
If you double that figure you get the deaths from terrorism, ... WORLD WIDE. Yes, you're off by a factor of 2 and already taking into account shitholes run by terrorists. Now if you were a lovely little ignorant American you'd realise that 3100 Americans have died from terrorism in the past 15 years. 2.6million Americans die each year.
Now if you give me a bowl with 13500 chocolates and statistically one of them is poisoned, I'll eat far more than one.
Now where's my chocolate you retarded master of economics? But you're not are you? You haven't got a master of economics, or you'd also know basic things that the US does not have the highest immigration rate, not per capita, not per GDP, not per landmass, not in total. In fact not in any metric.
I think I'll immigrate to America. They say ignorance is bliss and it must be oh so blissful there.
George Soros was a Nazi, an informer who cooperated to turn in other Jews.
As an adult, he's said that he considers that time to be the best time of his life.
So what you're saying is Hitler dropped the ball?
It isn't even a Muslim ban, not when it's missing a majority of the nations with Muslim majority e.g. UAE, Saudis, Malaysia, Turkey, Jordan, Palestine...
The Washington Post has an article showing the list of Muslim countries whose people are banned from entering the U.S. The common trait is they have no Trump business ties. Welcome to Fascism in the old sense of the word.
In other words get rid of the career of politician. When you make a career out of "helping the people" this has a tendency to be one sided. The way is used to be is that this was a public service to the community. When you have done all you want in your real career, you then give back to the community that allowed you to succeed in life.
That's where you're wrong: a good negroid curb-stomping gives me a raging boner.
B-b-but muh shekels!
Bill Maher is a stoner kike degenerate with lampshade written all over him.
Thanks a bunch, you've got me whistling that tune now.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Many were our religious crazies that we were pleased to see the back of. Following them, at various times, were all kinds of dodgy characters, plus 'The New World' was one of Britain's overseas prisons.
America is a reasonably new country and as such is a developing nation (shown by the leaders you get to vote for, akin to some African nations), you may have a lot of shiny but real development is cultural, getting away from magic fairies (religion) and such. America has a long way to go yet.
A great man once said of the American military something like 'great looking troops, nice tanks and aircraft, but are there any grown ups?' Blue on blue incidents are invariably US forces against it's allies or own troops, why is that? The Germans used to have a saying; "When Germans open fire, the Tommys duck. When the Tommys open fire, Germans duck. When Americans open fire, everybody ducks".
Capture: cursed (fitting!)
Hitler was far too lenient on the Jew. He should have given them the holocaust they relentlessly kvetch about.
Well now that we are saying "no more" we have to fix our own issues first before we solve the rest of the world problems, we are again labeled abhorrent, intolerable isolationist that are destroying the very fabric of civilisation. Well, it seems that now you understand why we are now saying "We don't care what you think anymore", "why don't you fix your own problems yourself".
You're not white. You're a Jew.
Remover though.... Hilary had an email server!!!
Not ignore, but when was the last time you heard of President Trump issuing an executive order to help with the vast problem of diarrhea (which is more important in the world than all intentional injuries, including terrorism and war and suicide and murder and...)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate
It's like having math homework where you decided to write 1+1=7, and the teacher yelling at you about the typo of a misplaced comma. Okay, that's great, maybe it was a problem, but let's start with the bigger problems, shall we?
He was infact not elected by the american people. But by a few electors. The american people voted against him...
And i would bet money on that most of these "dead people etc.." that voted in the election voted for him.
No, he's white. Trust him, goy.
You already have one (albeit somewhat smaller version in Pont de Grenelle).
"this is why uneducated racists *one* the election"
Seriously, were you trying to be funny or are you just as illiterate as you're accusing other people of being? To be explicit you know it is W. O. N., not one, right?
Yea, let's wait for Trump to ban people from India, Philippines, Russia, Colombia, ...
https://ourworldindata.org/terrorism/
There were already a huge number of people there, the mayflower was YEARS after settlement, and they were a tiny fraction. They're just bullies and bigots who burned at the stake anyone who didn't accept their "god given" authority.
And the puritans are still demanding everyone else follow their god.
They weren't conquerors. They were asshats.
Donald Trump and that Steve Bannon guy have done more to harm America in one week then all the claims of harm Obama did in eight years as president. They've gone after women's healthcare access, threatened health care for millions with a GOP Congress that's eager to pull healthcare out from under millions of Americans without any sort of replacement ready to go, they've angered China with how they interacted with Taiwan, they've gone after Mexico and are pushing them to other trading partners one of which could easily be the Chinese, they've caused untold harm and stress to thousands of US immigrants with poorly worded executive orders, and they're going to force American tax payers to pay for a wall along the US/Mexico border all while saying Mexico will pay for it when really the cost will be shifted back to US taxpayers all while angering Mexico even further.
I wouldn't be surprised if China sweeps in with trade deals with Mexico and they become so buddy buddy that China starts planting military bases along the Mexico border because America is being a real dick right now. Hell even fake news like Sean Hannity has him begging Trump to reinstate torture in America.
I used to be proud of my country, now it's just shameful.
That inscription has been rewritten:
Give me on a temporary bases your healthy and skilled workers,
Your huddled masses yearning to be part of a permanent underclass,
Please keep the rest of the wretched refuse on your teeming shore.
After eight years send these homeless back to their home country to apply for permanent residence,
I lift my searchlight beside 370 miles of border fence!
https://portail.stpaul4.ac-reu...
Mind you that last line now reads: 1,933 miles of 50 foot high border wall.
You can keep the liberal snowflakes of the much pronounced mass exodus if Trump was elected. Oh wait, they did not leave.... DAMN IT ALL, IT DIDN'T WORK.
Trump would be confused by your post, if he ever read it. "How dare they compare pure Aryan Wernher von Braun witth turban wearning camel herders?"
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Your analogy is a perfect reason why we should never ever vote for any Republican, even for a dog catcher position. He/she could be a Trump. Why take risk, vote Democratic.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
...and?
You should subscribe to a course on basic logic and argumentation, because this really doesn't work the way you think it does.
>Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders
How is he bigoted? I see that thrown around a lot but when asking for actual examples, I get no straight answer.
You're banning people who are legal visa holders, retard. Which, you know, need to go through vetoing to receive...
Plenty of immigrants are xenophobic, that's why we should stop them.
Similar outcome to the Mexican wall. The cartels already have tunnels under and drones which can go over the wall so nothing will change there. Meanwhile the 20% tax on Mexican goods will be passed on to American consumers who will have to pay for the wall if they still want the products. Or buy some other product hurting the hurting legitimate Mexican business and probably forcing many to close down and job losses. Oh well, I guess there will be more work available in the people smuggling trade.
Please do not mix up things: immigrants from Europe are ubermensch. Everyone else is subhuman.
Daesh (or ISIS if one wants to pander to their own self-propagandising title) aimed to force Muslims on to their side by committing extreme and unjustifiable acts that would be reflect on- and be associated with- Muslims as a whole by the greater world, increasing discrimination and prejudice against them- and, in turn, increasing the hostility of Muslims as a whole in the face of this prejudice- forcing them into the hands of Daesh and their allies.
For this to work, you need people to respond in the planned kneejerk manner.
Step forward, Donald J Trump. Your executive order blanket-banning people from Muslim countries and plans to discriminate on the basis of religion are *exactly* what they planned for and wanted.
Well done. You played right into their hands. You are ISIS/Daesh's useful idiot.
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From the SMH Key phrase.
When the Cato Institute is calling you out on racist policies you know you're up shit creek.
The real irony here is that Trump and his alt-right claque are banning travellers from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen and justifying it by citing 911 but the countries that the 911 terrorists came from are not on the list, especially Saudi Arabia and the UEA and keep in mind these are the same countries whose citizens are covertly funding ISIS. On top of that Trump set up a series of shell companies to handle a hotel deal in Saudi Arabia and he did it after his bid for president: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-... at the same time as he was lambasting Clinton for taking donations from the Saudis.
My favourite parts:
"They [Saudis] buy apartments from me, ... They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”
"I would want to protect Saudi Arabia, ... But Saudi Arabia is going to have to help us economically. They were making, before the oil went down ... they were making $1 billion a day.”
So rich countries that can make tribute payments to the Trump regime and whose citizens are financially benefitting Trumps companies are not destined for 'the list' even though these countries are financing terrorist organisations that attack and kill US citizens but others including some that are actually fighting ISIS in Syria make the list. I suppose Trump supporters have a hard time spelling 'hypocrisy'.
Yes, written by the French, for us, no thanks, they can keep all the Muslim terrorists.
You are an idiot. If the odds of death are greater than zero then you don't eat from the poisoned chocolate bowl. But you knew that and understood his argument and since you have no rational response you fell back on fake math, intentionally ignoring his point, and then ad hominem. There is no rational reason to allow unvetted people in to the country from anywhere. Starting the vetting with people from some of the most violent basket case countries makes sense.
Of course this doesn't fit your political agenda so you toss off a one liner and flee.
No, he's not a fascist, fascist leaning but not full on. We need a new term, a YUGE term if you will.
maybe...
Corporofascisolationism
Trump may actually be a good thing in the long run.
He might get Democrats and Republicans talking to each other again, maybe looking past their minor differences and finding compromise.\
Yeah, I'm a snowflake. I like being a snowflake though, when we get together we cover all, even the mighty Sahara Desert, we become the streams that nourish the rebirth of spring, bring the growth of summer and the bounty of fall. Then we begin again...
Donald Trump, on a crusade to make Nixon look respectable
Racist bastard. You judge people based entirely on their religion and country of origin? They're nice people and work hard?
You wouldn't have the balls to say they're all mean lazy people based on their religion and country of origin, would you? Unless they're white and from the south, of course, because it's really hip to bash whites these days.
Feminists demand to be treated better than men, which means the rest of us are treated worse. I think that was the point.
I was there too. You're a liar. It was a huge big deal. Maybe you were in kindergarten. I was working IT. You know... computers... they run on electricity... our entire business ran on it.
Sheesh.
I am going to vote for secession just for the lolz. I hope it happens. Good luck with your California passport, I'll keep my US one and move to a smarter part of the country.
I think the day after California secession we should invade and make it a colony like Puerto Rico.
The positive language in the executive order suggests that they are building a federal tracking system for the involved. When looking past all these issues with discrimination, racism and overall bad behaviour, Trump might in fact make a contribution by finally fixing the US border control up to the level expected from a modern industrial country. The next president may then rally the insane by suggesting concentration camps in Arizona, and guess what is required to built them? A maintained federal road and railway network, with working bridges, non-failing dams and other basic infrastructure.
This is still at 1 currently, but the press in Europe has spent the last couple of days pointing out that this is a violation of the Privacy Shield that was negotiated as replacement for the International Safe Harbor Privacy Principles, which was found to be invalid under EU law. If Privacy Shield is not in effect, then any EU company sharing data on EU citizens with a US company and any US company not compartmentalising its data on EU citizens into EU-registered subsidiaries may be liable for fines up to a few hundred million Euros.
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Removing privacy rights for foreigners is also likely to make the US more vulnerable to attack, because countries will stop sharing information. The EU won't give the US data on travellers, for example.
The Privacy Act never applied to non-US citizens/residents in the first place. And since the EU needs our information, they'll gladly share or they will also be more vulnerable to attack. It seems odd one is saying we need to share information to stay safe, yet bash an order that helps increase the amount of information available.
Get a sense of proportion. You're not competent to speak on the subject of terrorism (in fact anything involving even basic statistics) until you do.
When someone gets a heart attack, who is behind that attack?
When people die from a terrorist attack, who is behind that attack?
When you know that person A is behind the heart attack, do you everything you can to stop person A from attack hearts again? Of course this is a silly question.
When you know that group B is behind the terrorist attack, are you going to shrug and say: "bwa statistics say that more people die from heart attacks, just let them do"?
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
— Osama bin Laden's last recorded interview
He's doing a fine job at turning the rest of the world against him. I guess he will be able to find friends with Russia, China, North Korea and those other backwater countries with dictators.
I had Muslim friends, and I remember them telling me about how their imam would tell them how horrible this country is and why they should at the very least avoid paying taxes if not support or house those who would take action against the Zionists when they can.
Most of them would say "but I don't listen to that when they start...", yet like a cult your going to start believing it...if you don't like the country you live in, get out. If you don't have the balls to call out your own religious leaders for leading people down a hate full path, then you deserve everything you get.
Maybe instead of making an immigration ban we can do some sort of public toilet improvement project across the country? It could be one of those infrastructure projects that both Democrats and Republicans could support.
California's boycott of Arizona was successful and turned Arizona into a dystopian wasteland populated by shambling zombies.
Thing is, nobody noticed.
You are welcome on my lawn.
> (especially those in rural and/or "fly-over" location)
Its fucking hilarious how the only people who use the phrase "fly over country" are angry, activist conservatives.
I've lived in texas, tennessee and illinois as well as both coasts. And I never once heard that derogatory phrase said by a 'liberal.' Heard it plenty of times from butthurt conservatives though. Just goes to show how little they actually understand liberals, projecting their own insecurities on them.
The president can type up all the proclamations he wants. Some things he can do. Lots of things he can't. Re-writing law on the fly from his office isn't one of them. If changing laws to suit the whims of the president were simply a matter of signing a typed out document in front of cameras, congress would have been out on the streets looking for employment centuries ago.
So when trumpity trump trump drags the photographer and a few suits into the office to sign off on another one of his paper tweets - er executive orders, to proclaim how he's just done something like eliminate laws or increase the size of the military or fired the EPA, he's wasting paper. No matter the bluster and pomp of the bullshit, this county is not and never has been run by executive orders. The congress, the courts, the states are all partners and they don't have to go along with the trumpity trump trump.
Congress passes the law. The Courts interpret the law. The executive branch enforces the interpretation. It's not one guy making statements and singing papers.
He wants you to THINK he's doing this stuff because it plays well to his base, and is way easier than actually doing some thing.
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All of the top US military and many of the top civilians thought nuking Japan was completely unnecessary.
A short list - Admiral Leahy, Admiral Nimitz, General MacArthur, General Eisenhower, Army Chief of Staff George Marshall.
Quotes from all of the above and many more.
Western SJW's shocked to see a leader who's actually proud to stand up for his country. Film at eleven!
Being evil to refugees is not the same as standing up for your country. If anything, it's the opposite.
But hey it's happened before. Here's a lovely example which is not a proud moment in the history of either my country or yours (and Canada for good measure):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Spoiler alert: A third of them were slaughtered by the Nazis. History does not look kindly upon that event and it won't look kindly on this one either.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Your analogy is off by orders of a magnitude. Quit trying to justify irrational fear.
Here are some actual numbers:
In 2016 'islamic' terrorists were responsible for 0.3% of the all the murders in the US.
Over the last 15 years they were responsible for 123 out of 240,000+ murders or just 0.051%.
In 2015 more people were killed by toddlers than were killed by 'islamic' terrorists.
On average, toddlers kill 2x more americans than 'islamic' extremists do.
Also the Arab slaves trade, which was worst and lasted longer.
I love when historically ignorant nitwits pretend that the nukes won the war in the Pacific for America.
Would you rather live under British rule, Japanese rule, or Ottoman rule, if you had a choice of who invades your country?
Agreed, that's why nobody wants to go in their country. Even Japan, who is supposed to be a modern and free society, doesn't allow anyone to become citizen. To be Japanese, both your parents need to be Japanese.
I'm not sure. Wasn't rationale for the wall an economic one rather than nationalist one?
Well, maybe the people getting all the money spent on them.
The people the law discriminates towards, rather than against.
The people with better outcomes.
Me, I'm not seeing any white privilege. Why are you even asking such a stupid question.
You seem to believe the existence in a grand conspiracy of leftists AND consider the entire process to be some sort of adversarial game. Eh whatever, my country has its own problems, but at least many of the people who voted for Trump are likely to get fucked by him, so it's kind of karmic justice I guess. The trouble is of course everyone else (except his very rich friends) will also get fucked.
Anyway after 4 (or 8!) years of disaster, I look forwards to you continuing to blame everyone else.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Such a weekly publication did not exist in Nazi Germany. Track down the original reference.
The original reference is to a **single article** in a Nazi periodical. The ARTICLE is called "The Criminal Jew" ("Der Jude criminell"), not the publication.
In addition, Trump's publication order refers to crimes conducted by undocumented immigrants. Of any race/ethnicity. (And yes, merely entering the US without documentation is a criminal offence.)
It was about one ago trump and its supporters said we can't help refugees until we help homeless veterans. Well, it appears trump and its supporters haven't helped homeless veterans. Now the trump wants to triple the size of the military to carry out this country's international policy and its own personal monetary wealth building policy. Yeah, there are a lot of things the U.S. should fix but to a majority, trump isn't fixing anything. It appears he is attempting to break things. And no, I will not leave the U.S. just because I don't approve of trump.
Soros got to see it up close. As a young teen he was made into a pet by a nazi officer and forced to witness as the nazi confiscated jewish property around Hungary.
Meanwhile, in reality, it is Whites peoples that are been attacked on a daily basis and nobody care. Instead, let get offended because some fascists are unable to enter a country they have no right to enter anyway.
Yes, Muslims are fascists. No, entering the US is not a human right; except for citizen, anyone can be rejected for any reason.
If this was 1930, would you support a 'ban' on Nazi in provenance of Germany or you would be screaming #NotAllNazi?
Wernher von Braun
Blurring the lines between "refugee" and "abductee" with this example.
Heh. Complain about it on social media. That's the best that anyone can do. It's safer anyway to complain about it behind a computer. It's funny. Online petitions and it's like has really taken the teeth away from people here. Good luck. I fear you all will do nothing about your future predicaments.
I heard the planners of 9/11 said they failed to complete all their terrorist activities because they spent the night before in a trump Hotel. The Holiday Inn Express was all booked the night before. See, trump is a hero.
This is hardly a welfare state except for the wealthy moochers who use people like slaves. They started a class war against the middle class, they buy politicians of both parties to give them tax breaks, subsidies that never end, huge megaphones to spout their propaganda about moochers, worse health care outcomes because of the higher costs that make homeowner loose their homes. Yes, we're seeing and will see a lot worse I'm afraid in the days to come. We now have the rule of wealth and extreme selfishness.
I'm looking forward to when the world is turned against him and people like you much like in the 1940's when Germany got it's reboot from people who actually are against hate and bigotry.
British are the worst.
The claim of "clairvoyancy" and being able to determine who will do harm based strictly on the god they worship is the single biggest factor for why people voted for trump, or so it appears. It's also why the "fortune teller" at county fairs is quickly becoming one of the a big draws. And now one of those fortune tellers is POTUS. Yeah for 'merica.'
So? Papers like The Slammer do that already. It's most poor white folk, but who cares about that, amirite?
https://slammerpics.com/
Really? So when was the last time American astronauts rode into space on an American rocket? What about all those Russian rocket engines the U.S. buys?
Funny. Had Obama done this, there would be 20 comments, but slap Trumps name on it and it's almost to 500.
The surest way to defeat an undefeatable enemy is to have it attack itself. And having a polezni durak at the helm makes it easier.
So your argument is, "let them rape and murder you, or else they will rape and murder you."
You're a fucking moron, a terrorist sympathizer, and worst of all.. An abject coward.
Uh, your share of the $20T national debt is also pretty. The rest of us can overcome that once you're gone. Just make CA a part of Baja CA and you'll have Pena Nieto as your president. His endorsement is all that Gavin Newsome will need to be elected viceroy of Sacramento
Austrian by birth but ethnically German.
Makes sense -- we should address threats from 20 years ago. Let's get Vietnam and Panama on the list too.
Thankfully, w/ the new embassy management wherever you are, you'll be denied a visa
Hahaha... Sure thing.
Meanwhile, Japanese systematically rape one-million women, and experiment with keeping them alive for days while sliced in half.
So today, all the SJWs have mod points? Sad!
How many people in Europe were killed by citizens from those countries?
Ok. But why can't American companies do business here? Similarly, non-American companies can do business without basing operations here. Younger people don't remember a pre-globalized economy, they consider certain things foregone conclusions that aren't, necessarily. It worked just fine before, and would to an even greater extent in our networked world, it seems to me.
[the one poisoned chocolate in a bowle of a thousand chocolates analogy]
Except it's more like 1 in a million, probably more, and among those million you've got several other chocolates that are also poisoned, in the more common categories of dying by gun violence, dying by car accident, dying by natural disaster, dying in a plane crash, and so on. So, in an effort to make everyone safer against "PC bullshit" you try to invent a completely ineffective way to filter out all the chocolates coming from a subset of manufacturers, regardless of whether they are actually known to have produced any poisoned chocolates in the last 20 years, while letting the manufacturers of *known* poisoned chocolates keep on contributing to the bowl?
Nobody's disputing the basic principle of immigration controls. They're disputing an ineffective implementation that has caused complete chaos for no particular beneficial effect. Heck, none of the terrorists on 9/11 came from the countries in question. "That doesn't mean we have to be stupid about it"? This *is* being stupid about it.
What the world needs is to fix their own fucking country, instead of coming to ruin ours too.
If it was a Muslim ban, how are Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia not on that list - along w/ a mechanism in US consulates in India to deny Muslims any visas?
It's a start but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Turkey shouldn't have been left out of the list. San Bernardino - after which Trump first made his Muslim ban announcement - was done by a Paki, whose wife was indoctrinated in Mecca. Orlando by an Afghan. 9/11 by Saudis. Turkey has been undergoing a re-Islamization w/ ISIS right next door to Gaziantep, and it's the gateway to Raqqa.
>"in this new scaremongering era of Trump."
Riiiiight.
Please review the history of this country since 9/11. Trump is an extension of what has been happening all along. The terrorists won a long time ago when the American people decided to choose the illusion of safety over security. It wasn't Trump who passed the so-called "Patriot Act", it was a bipartisan Congress, along with all the other Constitution-eroding legislation. And just as many rights and privacies have been stripped from citizens under Obama as any other President during the era.
The problem we have is not something invented by Trump. These problems are not likely not going to get any better under him, but let's not pretend that there is suddenly some new threat, because it is not new.
"Muslims are coming for Jews" as a justification to ban immigrant from predominantly Muslim nations? That seems like an endless loop of craziness. That is until a leader proclaims "America first". Proclaims "I will triple the size of the military." Proclaims "I am the greatest." Proclaims "We are a Christian nation." Well, I never saw any of this coming until trump took office. He never gave us a clue to how he was going to lead this country if elected. At least he thinks his power should be limited if there is a financial conflict of interest. I'm certainly happy there are many women in the U.S. who now have a safe place to be grabbed and smooched on by the stars of the GOP.
Since you wanna play statistical games, this order will affect less than 1% of all international travellers. So you can stop being such a drama queen!
The US is part of a larger world. Like it or not, what happens elsewhere matters, and matters to us. We can build walls, shut doors, or whatever we like. But the 7+ billion other people will still be out there. Fighting with each other sure, but also cooperating with each other, learning from each other, etc.
Withdrawing from the world allows others to set the agenda, to form partnerships that may not favor us. I'm sure China and Russia will be happy to step in where we've walked away.
"Helping everyone else" is not just a morally decent thing to do, it also helps us in the long run.
I simply don't want my country flushed down the toilet by Moslems and terrorists, and somehow I'M the uneducated retard
Well, you just conflated about 3.3 million US citizens who happen to follow Islam with terrorists, so yeah... you are the uneducated retard.
California and NYC did speak up for them, by voting for Hillary, who ran on an immigration/refugee friendly platform. Obviously, most of the rest of the country disappears; it may seem odd to you, but rust belt voters don't really care much about the visas of Google employees making $100k+ no matter where they may be from. Even in high tech, that solidarity seems to be rather mixed, if you look at the vitriol people in high tech spew over H1b visas and outsourcing.
The next opportunity for that will be four years from now. Both R's and D's should work on creating a favorable political narrative for themselves and identifying candidates that represent the people.
So far, both parties seem to be burying their heads in the ground. And D's in particular seem to be doubling down on stupid policies and awful candidates. So far, it looks like we are looking at 8 years of orange baboon.
35% of Syrians [in the US] 25 years and older have a Bachelor's degree or more, compared to 24.4% of all Americans. *
Median Syrian-American family income is 58k/year, significantly higher than national median of 50k (2000 census numbers). *
Number of Syrian doctors: "A study published in Health Policy in 2007 analyzed the dynamics of international immigration patterns of physicians to the United States and found that Syria has a higher-than-expected physicians immigration rates. [4] In fact, Syria was the sixth country among the top eight countries which have a higher-than-expected rate and the second Arab country after Lebanon when adjusting for the population size". **
Sources:
* http://www.census.gov/prod/200...
** http://www.avicennajmed.com/ar...
Au contraire! I think president Trump is displaying great vision and great awareness of the US role in history! Its current role is to decline and eventually collapse. Trump has realized this and is doing his very best to ensure it is happening soonest, no matter the cost. I, for one, salute his efforts!
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You are _really_ out of touch with reality - yes, objectively measured reality.
Only because of their impressive lack of personal hygiene. The actually 'conquerors' were much smaller than the typical Pilgrim.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
"I'm French! How do think I got this outrageous accent?"
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Why would he want to "destroy our freedom"? Al-Quaida wanted US to stop interfering in international affairs, if they succeeded in that is yet to be seen but the current president seem to support a return to isolationism.
"Go 'way! I'm bating!"
Yet another 'instructional video'.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Daesh isn't al-Quaida.
If California goes (it won't - it's just posturing), then Oregon and Washington would tag along. You'd have 'Portlandia' which would be remarkably self sufficient.
Nice daydream, however. We're all going down the same tube of orange hair cream. (What in the fucking hell is actually in that stuff?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
It actually does mean that. The EU moves a bit slow, but EU-citizen's data on US servers and maybe even on servers owned by US companies will be a thing of the past very soon.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Military historians wouldn't agree with that interpretation...
Uh Oh. We'd better start a war on thunderstorms, tornadoes, peanuts, Ikea, MacDonalds, any power generation technology, alcohol (should have put that first), tobacco, firearms (hey, this is fun).
Go back to your bomb shelter and hope the zombies don't get you.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Genetic father, yes. Steve Jobs never saw him. I'm against this whole anti-immigration thing but thought this was worth pointing out.
Actually Daesh is former al-qaeda in iraq. They doubled down on the crazy and brought in unemployed iraqi military from baathist regime.
And the Orange Fluff is looking out for The Rest of Us?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Up to 2015... why exclude 2016? Like saying, almost no muslim terrorism in the US, excluding 2001.
Onward Christian Solders, Marching As to War ......
Peace, brother.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
God damned Crispr-Cas9. I just knew it was going to get us into trouble.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports, and spreading chaos at tech companies.
Maybe it is time those resume faking Indians are deported to their homeland and no anchor baby provision as an escape hatch. Having worked with people from India and Pakistan let me say those people are not the best and brightest, just the cheapest and least moralistic and ethical. I have absolutely not issue with hardworking people wanting to better themselves but not when they are actively participating in the campaign of lies.
Odds are he's smarter than you. Odds are he's more honorable than you. Definitely more tact and social grace than you.
So your argument is, "let them rape and murder you, or else they will rape and murder you."
No, it isn't. Where did I say anything remotely like that?
You're either trying- very incompetently, I might add- to shove words in my mouth, or you don't even understand something that's pretty straightforward and in your own words... "you're a fucking moron."
a terrorist sympathizer, and worst of all.. An abject coward.
Er, whatever. How does frustration at someone incompetently playing into Daesh's hands make me a "terrorist sympathizer"? Or an "abject coward"?- that doesn't even make sense.
Their whole plan depends on people like you responding exactly like you do. Useful idiots like yourself.
You're either a weasel trying to shut down something you don't like with smear tactics or you genuinely believe what you're saying because you're "a fucking moron". Not sure which.
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Bin Laden wanted you to die. He wanted us to stop fighting and give up so that more of would die. The end goal of a muslin terrorist is conquer the world so they usher heaven on earth. The don't care about stupid spying. Those terrorists want us to die or convert so that we can kill others for them, so you know, the whole heaven thing.
The key part of this is "yearning to breath free"
People who move to a place to then try and impose the rules of the places they moved from are not the type of people who are wanted.
Agree wholeheartedly. If you move to another country, adapt to your new homeland or stay away.
President Trumps YOU!
My odds of dying from poisoned chocolate are probably about the same as dying in a terrorist attack. Seek psychiatric help, because you have mental health issues
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Daesh isn't al-Quaida.
Yeah, I should have been clearer there. My point was that this was a similar- and very up-to-date- example of the sort of leader more concerned with looking macho and pandering to his own ego and voter base at the expense of doing the hard work and effectively (but less showily) destroying them. The sort of thing that plays right into a terrorist group's hands by giving *exactly* the type of response they'd planned for.
They're obviously not the same entity, but the stupidity is similar enough in both cases.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
it wasn't a big deal.
No one ever claimed Californian residents have a firm grasp on reality. From Mark Twain's God tilted the table and all the nuts rolled to California, the dustbowl migrants moving from Oklahoma to California raising the IQ in both states, to Hotel California.
It's la LA land and everyone knows it. Why anyone would take the opinion or even "facts" of someone from that wretched hive of scum and villainy no well-adjusted person knows.
WTF do you think is happening? The US is defined by its principles and, since 9/11, these principles are being discarded.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
SJW mods, please note: disagreeing with my comments does not make the facts overrated or flamebait, and I am certainly not a troll. Feel free to scream into a pillow instead if you need to let off steam, but don't break the Slashdot mod system simply because you disagree with someone. You claim to be tolerant, live it.
Laws were based on the 10 commandments (it was illegal to murder, steal, commit adultery, tell a lie under oath, etc.) http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/to... While there were other contemporary and historical countries like England with similar laws, they still originate from the 10 commandments. And no Hamurabi's law is not the same thing (and it is actually unlikely that it was first, if you actually want to look at the facts rather than pointed headed professors pet theories aka wild ass guesses).
Here is a list of the founding fathers and their religious affiliations. http://www.adherents.com/gov/F... Notice that there are no Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists etc. on that list. The men who wrote the constitution had at their core Judeo-Christian principles and those came through in the constitution. They appeal to God as the source of every person's basic rights in the Declaration of Independence for crying out loud. Everything was centered around ensuring people could live freely and practice Christianity which is why the first Amendment is about freedom of religion and speech. (Note that it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion or separation of church and state, which does not exist in the constitution at all, the establishment clause only precludes the state from enforcing one religion on the populous).
Regardless of the revisionist BS history lies masquerading as "theories" that have been spread by the progressives as "facts", the truth is there if you are interested in looking, but you must be willing to listen instead of trying to drown out truth and reason with the sound of your own voice.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Statistically, maybe. In reality, only if you are an idiot. So if you screen out all of the idiots doing dangerous things around their furniture (or living in earthquake zones with heavy, un-anchored furniture), then the odds go to zero... Meaning that no, your furniture is not more dangerous than terrorists. Care to try again?
The only thing being proved here is that there are many people who are bad at understanding statistics.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
i would think most people who work with them don't want that either. what they don't want is their job replaced by someone on an h-1b visa at a cheaper cost.
Wow. After we go full Pinochet on all the news media, commies, leftists, liberals, coons, and beaners, we will be EXPORTING lamp shades! We will be the world leader in lampshade exports! Full employment too.
Obama banned musloids for 6 months nobody cared. Oh but since the left if such fucking looney hypocrites its a big deal. Bunch of pansy ass faggots.
No, the real irony here is that Trump didn't even make the list. Obama left it for him.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
So, if you believe that Trump excluded countries that he has business dealings with, you've been watching fake news.
See that "Preview" button?
California's boycott of Arizona was successful
Successful? Are you on crack? It was just a boycott in name only:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion...
City employees were ordered to scrutinize contracts with Arizona companies to see which could legally be canceled but few, if any, were ultimately terminated. The City Council passed exemption after exemption permitting new contracts to be signed with Arizona companies and allowing employees to travel to the state. This week, the council approved a $57.6-million contract for police officer body cameras with Scottsdale-based Taser International. So much for sending a message.
Several other California cities and counties enacted and also failed to follow through on their boycotts.
Seek out a psychiatrist, and in the meantime, take a fucking statistics course.
I have another alternative for LeftCoastThinker - Grow a pair.
I passed through the same Brussels metro station only about 15 mintues before a bomber blew up a train. Normally, I would have been passing through about at the same time, but I had a meeting that morning so I got an earlier train. Over 20 people died in the attack.
I am still taking the same metro. I am not afraid. I see many Muslims on the metro and on the streets every day. I am not scared of them, as they were not responsible. I am not calling for all Muslims to stop being let in and have them kicked out.
The chances of me being injured (let alone killed) in another terrorist attack is so close to zero, that I don't worry - and I think that the chances of me being killed is still orders of magnitude higher that yours.
LeftCoastThinker, you are a racist wuss.
"The best part? I became an ordained minister while not wearing pants." -- CleverNickName
Some of us are very talented, unfortunatelly some of our offsprings are complete assholes... sorry for that.
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I actually blame the Media, not Trump. Trump (and the people who voted for him) are the symptom. The cause is the Media giving a massively disproportionate amount of news coverage to deaths due to terrorism. Just like they give disproportionate amounts of coverage to child abductions by strangers, school shootings, airliner crashes, nuclear power accidents, etc. All of these are irrationally feared by the public because of irresponsible reporting by the Media. (Child abductions by strangers account for less than 0.01% of missing children cases. Your kids are more likely to be shot outside of school than while at school, so pulling them out of school due to fear of school shootings is actually counter-productive. The drive to/from the airport is typically more dangerous than the flight. And nuclear power is statistically the safest method of generating electricity that man has invented.)
Can you show me a military historian that would argue that Japan had any real chance of straight up winning the war?
How many Russian robots are there on Mars?
If you actually read the text that you cite, it says this:
Records ... suggest... ... some scholars believe.
Although there is no direct documentation
Let me translate this for you simpleton: THERE IS NO FUCKING EVIDENCE.
You are what is wrong with America. You believe whatever you read with zero bullshit filter outside of anything that disagrees with your inbred, bigoted (in the literal sense of the word), liberal progressive echo chamber.
Really? Please post your name and address. I will show up with the chocolates and a legal contract absolving me of your death in the event that your stupidity kills you. I might even make a reality show about it: "Too Stupid to Live"
The probability of you dying from getting out of bed in the morning is non-zero. Or eating breakfast, or driving a car, or basically anything. You going to ban everything?
Take a look at the comments in that article; while he's calling out CNN and others for reporting 'fake news', he's the one that's actually making conclusions that aren't based on fact. Scan through the comments, it's not quite the story he claims.
If you're not a lawful US citizen/resident, then you don't belong in the US. If you don't belong here, then you have no say in what happens here. The biggest problem with the world is that everyone is so worried about what everyone else is doing that they have no time left for self-improvement. If you don't like what happens here, then leave.
This is a common error known as Simpson's Paradox. When you divide a statistical population into arbitrary (unrelated) groupings, you can end up with trends within each group which contradict the trend as a whole. The best know recent example is Trump winning the Presidency despite losing the popular vote - because the Electoral College tally is divided into groupings by state. Another example is Derek Jeter's and Dave Justice's batting averages from 1995-1997. In all three of those years, Justice had a higher average than Jeter. But for all three years combined, Jeter had a higher average than Justice.
It's pretty easy to disprove the notion that there's any correlation between tax contributions/receipt and voting record (blue/red-ness) of state. Imagine if there were just two states each with a population of three individuals:
Red State
R1: pays $100 in taxes
R2: pays $100 in taxes
D3: receives $300 in benefits
Blue state
R1: pays $500 in taxes
D2: receives $200 in benefits
D3: receives $200 in benefits
In this example, all the Red voters are tax payers, and all the Blue voters are benefit recipients. Yet the Blue state is the net tax payer, and the Red state is the net tax recipient The correlation you're assuming between these two stats (tax payment/receipt and voting record of state) doesn't exist.
In particular, Republicans tend to have higher incomes than Democrats. People with higher incomes pay a higher percentage of their income as taxes (up to about $2 million, above which the percentage falls but still remains higher than the tax rate paid by people making less than $500k). Ergo, Republicans tend to pay more taxes per capita than Democrats. Dividing it up by states just allows you to silently and deceptively shift the tax contributions of Republicans in Blue states into the Blue category, even though they're paid by Red voters. And assign blame for benefits received by Democrats in Red states into the Red category.
You think some minor details about someone means you "know" them. Her open admission to being loyal to a foreign cult is a red flag. If she believed in astrology you wouldn't be so impressed with her "diversity", because there hasn't be media brainwashing to normalize it
How exactly are women treated better than men?
Thank you for triangulating Jews into the discussion, because no political discussion is relevant without doing so. As a Democratic Jewish voter I don't appreciate being used as a political football. I am used to being attacked from the far right and far left nut cases, but I truly resent unwillingly being used as a political shiv. All the peopled in the Democratic party suddenly concerned about anti semitism - where the f@&# have they been the last 16 years???. Do they know what's going on in Europe??? Save your political outrage and theater on my Behalf. For for the past eight years Jewish students have been attacked and harassed on campus across the U.S., Anti Semitic acts have been rising in this country all under President Obama, and none of my new'friends' in progressive politics gave a damn. Leave me out of this discussion, thank you.
737 americans are killed falling out of bed each year
9 americans are killed by 'islamic' terrorists each year
Good point. But is the media just catering to its audience, or are they driving the mania?
https://twitter.com/realDonald...
I guess you've never looked into the American justice system. Start there.
It was Bush who invaded Iraq.
The Washington Post has an article showing the list of Muslim countries whose people are banned from entering the U.S. The common trait is they have no Trump business ties. Welcome to Fascism in the old sense of the word.
That's technically true but still dishonest reporting by the Washington Post.
The claim "Trump's immigration moratorium is targeted at majority-Muslim countries" -- this claim is 21% accurate [i.e. basically false].
The claim "Trump's moratorium is targeted at Iran, plus those countries with civil unrest and poor-functioning central government" -- this claim is 98% accurate (only exception is Afghanistan)
The claim "Trump's moratorium is targeted at majority-Muslim countries save for those where he has business interests" -- this claim is 38% accurate (major exceptions include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Algeria, Morocco, Uzbekistan, Niger, Malaysa).
There are the news reports that Trump's 90-day immigration moratorium is aimed at majority-Muslim countries excepting those where he has/had business interests. And also calling it a "Muslim ban". But those narratives don't fit the facts. Here's the list of majority-Muslim countries in descending order of population, plus those with severe civil unrest, and those subject to the moratorium. I'm measuring accuracy by country count. I should really come up with a more sophisticated measure of accuracy, but can't be bothered...
Indonesia [trump business interests]
Pakistan
Nigeria [not majority-muslim, has civil unrest but well-functioning government]
Bangladesh
Mexico [not majority-muslim, but has civil unrest due to drug war but otherwise well-functioning government]
Iran [30day ban]
Turkey [trump business interests]
Egypt [trump business interests]
Algeria
Sudan [30day ban, civil unrest]
Morocco
Iraq [30day ban, severe civil unrest]
Afghanistan [severe civil unrest]
Uzbekistan
Saudi Arabia [trump business interests]
Yemen [30day ban, civil unrest]
Syria [30day ban, severe civil unrest]
Niger
Malaysia
Mali
Senegal
Burkina Faso
Tunisia
Somalia [30day ban, civil unrest]
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan [trump business interests]
Guinea
Chad
Tajikistan
Jordan
Libya [30day ban, civil unrest]
Kyrgyzstan
Turkmenistan
Mauritania
Siera Leone
United Arab Emirates [trump business interest]
Kuwait
Oman
Lebanon
Gambia
Kosovo
Qatar [trump business interests]
Bahrain
Comoros
Western Sahara
Maldives
Mayotte
Cocos (Keeling) Islands
Note: I'm not a Trump supporter. I've written to my representative and senators to add my voice against him, and I marched with my family last Saturday. On the other hand, I think the media have been FAILING us liberals by giving incomplete or misleading journalism -- articles that are designed to inflame our passions and attract our clicks, but without having the solid factual basis needed for us to engage with our republican friends.
Well for starters he is anti-Muslim and misogynistic.
A 3" boner isn't much to brag about.
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
BLOCKING THE PROPERTY AND SUSPENDING ENTRY INTO THE
UNITED STATES OF CERTAIN PERSONS WITH RESPECT TO GRAVE
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/23/executive-order-blocking-property-and-suspending-entry-united-states-cer
HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES BY THE GOVERNMENTS OF IRAN AND SYRIA
VIA INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, as amended (8 U.S.C. 1182(f)), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,
I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, hereby determine that the commission of serious human rights abuses against the people of Iran and Syria by their governments, facilitated by computer and network disruption, monitoring, and tracking by those governments, and abetted by entities in Iran and Syria that are complicit in their governments’ malign use of technology for those purposes, threaten the national security and foreign policy of the United States.
Absolutely. The fact is that the odds of being killed by a terrorist are minuscule. The fear exhibited here and elsewhere is just simply irrational. It has no basis in reality at all. It demonstrates ably how people simply have very piss poor risk assessment capacity beyond immediate threats. The whole thing is just another version of the "red menace", the "Yellow hoard", "the Papist plot" and a hundred other fantastical unhinged conspiracy theories built out of the ease with which people can be literally frightened out of their wits by the most improbable threats. Meanwhile, today alone there will be, on average, 90 automobile fatalities, which works out to an average of 3.75 automobile fatalities per hour.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The nukes didn't end or win the war. What they did was ensure unconditional surrender by Japan.
Muslim terrorists accounted for ~20% of all US murders in 2001. Sounds pretty damn statistically significant to me. And that was just one successful attack by less than 20 people. If you factor in the death rate for the age group killed (average age was 40) it was even more significant statistically. Just because they haven't been having much success in the US more recently doesn't mean they won't keep trying and it doesn't mean we need to import more terrorists.
The UN exists for this kind of thing and should have set up refugee camps long ago and still should to provide safe haven for the refugees. ISIS will leave armed, well positioned solders and civilians alone, or die quickly, especially when they are backed by the US military.
BTW, Obama banned the same Muslim countries in 2011 and no one lost their shit or protested.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
No, not at all. But how about a sense of perspective here.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
It is not Trump's list. Trump used Obama's list.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Umm, so you are apparently unaware that the countries Trump's immigration ban apply to was created by Obama. Trump did not come up with these seven countries. He just applied his executive order to the seven countries which the Obama Administration had already designated as countries of special concern relatvie to people coming to the U.S. from those countries.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Such an insightful post despite the account name. The problem is so many Americans have had to suffer through under funded education, American Exceptionalism guided history lessons that they are litterally incapable of realizing that what you say is right on the money.
Hell most are too busy trying to just survive in a country where if the heart attack doesn't kill you the hospital bill will. Where real food is more expensive that fructose laiden mass produced crap and where most of the population is the size of a fucking hippo.
It is neither bad, nor illegal. I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing. I'm not blaming you for what he is doing, I'm laughing at you while you scramble to keep up with a guy that you think is an idiot.
And no, a trap does not imply deception. Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps.
So, what is your proof that Trump is fascist? I've given you examples of actual, real fascism in America and invited you to contrast that with what you call fascism. What have you got?
See that "Preview" button?
Just block them all and let god sort them out.
Break the principals that define america and she loses her ability to be. If americans stop being americans you will just turn on each other. Thats exactly what you've done. Rich on poor. Black on white. Women on men. Repub on dem. Seriously your government is uselessly disfunctional because people are repub or dem first american second. You've lost your way america...
It's disturbing how confidently you seem to state your opinions while knowing nothing of the subject. I've known this woman for years and have watched her loosen up and become more liberal in her time in America. Have you ever met anybody from one of these countries? I work with people from all over the world and have met several Iranians, most of whom are very hard working and friendly people. One started a small business that now employs several Americans.
Your education about the Muslim religion is severely lacking. It's a cult to the same extent that Christianity is a cult. I don't understand the appeal of any organized religion, since it makes as much logical sense to me as astrology, but I don't begrudge people their belief so long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me or give their beliefs the force of law.
Give me a quote. I'm not reading all of the comments there any more than I would read here on -1. Of the ones I did read, it is mostly people pretending that he said things that he did not say - and they vanish without a trace when the author calls them out.
See that "Preview" button?
CHUMP is a blatant threat to national security. Impeachment may take too long. It is time to throw a net over him and place him in a psychiatric ward until the impeachment process can complete itself.
Care to provide a citation for that figure
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Muslim terrorists accounted for ~20% of all US murders in 2001.
If snarky cherry picking is now legitimate argument:
How about 180,000+ iraqi civilians killed due to the american invasion?
Sounds like Americans ought to be banned from the rest of the world.
> SJW mods, please note
Whiny, insecure poster, please note you aren't being modded down for political correctness.
You are being modded down for bigotry based built on a base of innumeracy.
The link just takes you to the main White House page. Does anyone have a direct link to the order?
How do you feel going on a business trip to the U.S.A. where you are not a citizen nor a lawful permanent resident and therefore are not protected by the Privacy Act?
no mod points, but this is one of the more insightful, and sad, comments i've read here in a while.
Don't forget the immigrants who came over and had Donald.
15,980 murders in 2001, when terrorists killed 2996 on 9-11
2996/15980 = 18.7%
https://archives.fbi.gov/archi...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
so, like, 'murika.
friends and colleagues? no, they are those who are displacing U.S. workers.
you spew words without critical thinking skills, most the muslim countries in this world are not banned, plenty of the ones not banned Trump has had no business dealings. Therefore this is not a ban on muslims, not a ban on places where Trump has no business interest.
eh, how does this ban on counties identified by the Obama administration as either "terrorist havens" or "state sponsors of terrorism" in any way affect 97% of countries with data processing contracts with the USA? maybe you're just being hysterical.
I agree with Trumps decision. If you're not a US citizen you shouldn't benefit from US law. I also believe that U.S. citizenship should be earned... Not granted at birth. You should be required to serve the country in some way whether that be military service or some other.
All we are saying is give peas a chance!
Oh, you sure did prove that - just not in the way you think you did.
Nice altfacts you have there
No. Japan was never a serious threat to the US. Actually, neither was Germany, but it was a lot more reasonable. Germany *was* a serious threat to Britain, as Japan was to China, Australia, etc.
At that time the oceans were actually a pretty effective moat, but Germany could have taken over some South or Central American countries and used them as a staging ground. I don't think Japan could have done that. They *did* threaten Hawaii, but at the time that was a possession or territory, not a real part of the US.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded because Americans are predictable morons. He knew exactly what he was doing, how we would react, and what the result would be. And you let him.
You're only half right.
Bin Laden didn't care about your freedom, he cared about Muslims. This was his plan.
1. Get the US to invade Afghanistan.
2. The US gets bogged down in a bloody war.
3. This was radicalizes the Muslim world.
4. Muslims overthrow their semi-secular dictatorships.
5. Muslims establish the caliphate.
Now in #1 he succeeded, #2 didn't quite work out Afghanistan but when Bush decided to invade Iraq #2 was also a success.
#3 was only a partial success, there's a lot more radicalization but there's still a ton of moderates.
#4 was also a failure, Saddam fell, as did a few others in the Arab spring, but he didn't get the general radical uprising he wanted.
#5 is also a failure, sure ISIS claimed to be the caliphate, but the caliphate was supposed to unite the Muslim world, not just chunks of a few countries, and ISIS is collapsing anyway.
Now the big challenge for ISIS and Al Queda is to radicalize more Muslims. The big risk for them is moderate Muslims emigrating West, further moderating Western Muslim populations, and then that moderation spreading back to their countries of origin.
If ISIS had a Christmas list then Trump's Executive Order would have been at the top of it.
I stole this Sig
It isn't arbitrary, Federal vs State budgets and taxes are actually separate already before any of this analysis is done. It may have been arbitrary when established, but once entrenched it is simply the reality that you have to accept.
Then you jump through insane hoops to try to pretend that Democrats are just stupid dillweeds who don't create any economic activity, even in rich States where they are the majority. You got your whole world-view from AM radio and even though you're educated enough to form sentences and paragraphs, you spew insane bullshit like that without a second thought.
I doubt there is even any hope for you. You can't comprehend how stupid what you said is, and you never will. I mean, you didn't notice that most of the economic activity is from the cities, and the rich states are ones with big cities. In States like California and New York, the Democrats are clustered in the cities, as is the profit and taxes, and the state and federal aid that you worry about is disproportionately given to rural communities. No part of your zero-game fantasy is similar to reality, no part.
Yes. It is painting a virulently incorrect portrait of a small minority group mainly because they are powerless.
But that he's modeling his administrative orders on those of Hitler should, in and of itself, be worrying, even if there were nothing wrong about one of the particular orders.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
OK, so he did manage to uncover how stupid you are being here. You imply that you think the risk of death by terrorism is 1:1000. That's simply wrong. No wonder you come to incorrect conclusions, your input data is garbage.
Too bad for you weird *-ist shit is what popped out, but you were guaranteed some kind of garbage after all.
A later poster challenged that this particular order was modeled after one of Hitler's orders, so it's just the general tenor of the order that matches those of Hitler. This is only of a much lower degree of concern. It's still worse than ethically dubious, and probably won't be carefully fact-checked, which makes it worse.
This publication is on the level of a speech calling for increased vigilante activity against those who are defenseless. Calling it ethically dubious is over-praising it. But it isn't *quite* as bad as the ggp post indicated.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Well I hope the "retaliation" by the rest of the world is "If Trumps wants to visit our country, he must sign onto the sex offenders register" Trump is basically the kind of person he is trying to keep out of America.
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded
I have seen no evidence that this was Bin Laden's goal. He wanted to establish a Caliphate in the middle east, and pushing America out of the region was his strategy. It didn't work, because America didn't react the same way as after the Beirut barrack bombings.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Libertarian is a weird way to describe the Cato institute. I agree that they also aren't conservative, i.e. wanting to retain, i.e., conserve, parts of the current system. (Well, they are to an extent, but that isn't how they differ from the mean viewpoint.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
fyi that poem was written as propaganda at the time, the author was on one side of the immigration debate that was raging back then.
It is very good propaganda, nonetheless.
And that's not even getting into the fact that if California seceded, they'd probably lose all of the rural counties that would want to form their own state (such as the already existing movement to form a state called Jefferson,) so California would have basically no farmland with all of those homeless people to feed.
Or water.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Both. It's a feedback relationship.
OTOH, I disagree that nuclear power is the safest. You need to measure the length of time there's a problem, not just the number of people directly killed. It's still a lot safer than coal, however.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
France should ask for the Statue of Liberty back, the US is no longer worthy of having it.
That's a good post. If I hadn't already friended you, I would friend you again!
Racism in the US justice system may exist but it's dwarfed by the sexism.
But you haven't really demonstrated any racism in the system. Are white people incarcerated at a lower rate than all other races, in proportion to crime rates, taking into account wealth, location and education?
Bin Laden publicly ignored the Sunni/Shia split.
America wants the Sunni/Shia wars restarted and stalemated for as long as their remaining oil (holds out/remains significant). Which means ISIS vs Iran backed war in Syria and Iraq. Going nicely, except we've backed the Shias too much. We _don't_ want either side to win. Time to back off our involvement and allow the Saudis to bring the Sunnis back up to stalemate.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
pay attention to actual FACTS, stop getting stirred into frothy outrage over fake news, and live a happier life.
This action on non-citizen visitorsto the US is a LOT less unusual than it is being portayed as, just like the president's new temporary restrictionsof some visitors and refugees is NOT the "Muslim ban" it is being portrayed as. In the latter case, Trump's restrictions are basically a 90-day halt to visitors from countries the US government has admitted it cannot properly screen like Syria (which is why Saudi Arabia is not on the list- they have modern an reasonably reliable systems for identifying their people) which is intended to buy time to come up with a REAL screening system for such places, and a longer ban on refugees which addresses two points Trump campaigned upon: (a) that most of the "refugees" have actually been fighting-age single men, NOT women and children, and (b) by definition "refugees" seek temporary safety from war and will return home after the war, so it's marter and more cost effective to house them in the part of the world where they are from.
Stop being stupid pawns for George Soros and his "Open Societies" geopolitical octopus. He's been funding the lawyers hyping all the protests at the airports as part ofhis anti-Trump campaign and Democrat "journalists" are his PR footsoldiers. Instead of blindly letting these propagandists stir you up and use you,try paying attention to the FACTS - it's a bit harder actually READING stuff and THINKING, but it's more satisfying.
I feel bad for Woz. He was the real brains. Steve Jobs was just a marketer. not much else.
The saudis have complete information on their citizens and a long history of interfacing with western governments and providing such information enabling western governments to screen saudi citizens. That screening may be imperfect, but it's at least possible.
No such screening is possible from, for example, Yemen or Libya. Computer records and even old-school paper records are either non-existent or largely fake.
How do you screen people fromplaces with no government records, and possibly no functional governments???? The Obama administration "solved this by lying - they sent their PR flaks to tell the public via compliant Democrat journalists that every person was being screened and that the screening took up to two years per person, but they testified under oath to the congress that there was no proper way to screen these people.
You lefties go insane when he uses the precedents set by the messianic Obama?
You were warned for EIGHT YEARS that all the crap Obama did and that you cheered for was setting precedents that any future president you did not like would be able to drive a Mack truch throug, but you did not care. The ends justified the means and you wanted those ends. Welcometo a place called "consequences". You are now reaping what you sowed.
Don't like it?
Perhaps you will finally realize that the founders of the nation were right and wise to design a SMALL and LIMITED fedral government with "checks and balances".
Were urban Californian counties to form their own country they'd no longer subsidize US farmland, and they'd no longer pay the costs of protectionism. US farms would suddenly find themselves forced to compete on a level playing field with the rest of the world for the Californian market. Given that agriculture only amounts to 2% of California's GDP, it seems to me like a win for urban California to *not* take with them that farmland.
I'm not suggesting it's wise for urban California to split from the rest of the country, just that if they did I don't believe those low-output rural counties would necessarily be important to them. Think Singapore...they have very little farmland, they don't produce 100% of their energy needs, and yet per capita they're some of the wealthiest people in the world. Expulsion from Malaysia was the best thing that ever happened to them.
This is why liberals, who have a lot of individualist/libertarian views, do not try to advertise it; the people already squatting on the word are anti-libertarians!
We need a new word for the old thing, because the corporatists will never give up their misuse of the old word.
Obama didn't even sign the executive order, so there is no way he is responsible for selecting what list to use in it.
If there was some list during President Obama's term that had the same countries on it, that is not surprising at all. For context we'd need to know how many different lists of countries a President normally creates during his term, by whatever metric the list is being credited to the President. It is unlikely that the number of lists is going to be so low that the particular combination of countries would be some sort of valuable invention that others would know because those who went before them cited them together in a different context.
Get back in the pile, Wilbur
Syria is the only country mentioned in the executive order. The rest were countries that were already on lists for being safe havens for terrorists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
Maybe, but every Jihadist organization has the Jews in their crosshairs. And that comes right out of the Quran and Sunnah
I've seen more resume faking Americans than indians in my experience. I've interviewed American engineers who couldn't code a hello world program if their life depended on it.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
Citation needed.
Robots are not technically space tech. The Russians have been sending probes to other planets too, most notably venus (Venera series). Landing on Venus is *quite* a feat.
Islam is a social, political, religious, and legal system. One might think of it as something like a Christian monastery writ on a larger scale, Western Europeans and their descendants have been invading Islamic territory and trying to force them to adopt our customs and culture for what, about 1,000 years now? What's it like to set up a republic in a country that claims political/religious descent from Mohammed?
If someone is harassing you, have them arrested. The Western world has already won this conflict. Christianity is the world's majority religion, and western europeans and their descendants have a pretty solid lock on world power. Conversely, the countries on the block list are completely insignificant in every measure in comparison to the US. So yes, this Islam-Westerner thing has been going on for a while, and yeah, it's not pretty when it shows up as some thuggish jerks hassling people in quiet neighborhoods. But, not only can the Western world bomb whatever third-world Islamic shithole we want to, we do.
We've known these two social systems aren't compatible for centuries now. Each of our societies actually has rules that say that you can do what you want as long as you don't start shit. For westerners that's called freedom of religion, and in defining Islam as a community, Mohammed and the early leaders laid out pretty firmly that the proper role of that community to non-believers is not aggression. And I am sure that you could probably come up with some sort of justification for applying restrictions on what Moslems should wear to non-believers, but that's going to be a minority view as well. Nonbelievers have always played a role in historical Muslim states. They were typically barred from the highest positions and from military service, but allowed pretty much any other role in society. They paid an extra tax, but didn't pay a tax that applied only to believers, and things tended to work out. So maybe we can think about having our standards of behavior towards others be an improvement over the 14th Century rather than a regression.
Do note, I am not defending the religion, or defending terrorism or harassment on either side here. Frankly I think that Islam ended up bit a bit schizophrenic. The early leaders' tendency to kill one another produced some nasty theological splits. You're right that this is a conflict, and that insofar as it is a political movement, Islam should be resisted. Are you going to vote for sharia law? Everyone else around you perhaps? If it comes to violence, will you not fight? Your aggression against Islam and the extremists aggression against westerners are both born out of ignorance of Islam and the power imbalance at hand. If you didn't know, your side is the one with numbers, money, and nuclear weapons. The threat of Sharia law is a dog whistle for the ignorant and the fearful.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Any person on US soil or in custody of the US has full constitutional protections and if CHUMP can't live with that maybe he should consider hanging himself.
This is rethoric. The US wanted nothing short of an unconditional surrender, so by securing that, the nukes certainly simultaneously ended and won the war.
Trump has made America into the joke state of the world. I guess it's now up to Americans to depose this mad man.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right?
You do realize it is California power companies that paid for the power plants in other states, right? That those other states needed the capital that California could provide, as well as the customers, otherwise they'd go bankrupt?
Let me guess, you'll just cut the power to all of the poor people's houses so that the industry there can remain intact?
You do realize that Enron is the company from Texas that tried to cut power to California, in order to enrich itself, right?
May as well because there are so many homeless people (and multiple families crowded into one single family home) there that you may as well just make everybody who isn't making at least $200,000 a year go the rest of the way to destitution.
You do realize that many states have the habit of sending the homeless on a bus ride to Caifornia, right?
Oh, and how did that Arizona boycott turn out for you? That lasted...what...two minutes?
Ask the retailers and hoteliers who called for SB 1070 to be repealed.
And that's not even getting into the fact that if California seceded, they'd probably lose all of the rural counties that would want to form their own state (such as the already existing movement to form a state called Jefferson,) so California would have basically no farmland with all of those homeless people to feed.
Let me know how all of that works out.
And if those counties seceded, they'd become the Mississippi of the Mountain West, another drain on the federal coffers as their rural life became a drain on everybody else.
You're citing biased sources. Really? BibleInfo and Adherents? How about something without a vested interest. That's right, there aren't any. They founders took great pains to ensure that none of their religious claptrap ended up in the constitution and founding documents, their own beliefs be damned. Also, freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. If you want to live in a theocracy, please, head yourself over to the middle east and find one, but keep your religion out of my government where it has no place.
You also have to remember that back when the founding documents were being signed, people affiliated with churches because it was expected, not because of any kind of inherent belief, pretty much like most christians now. They go to church because they have always gone to church. The vocal ones are generally fundamentalist nutjobs.
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
The data policy is not the same issue as the visa and green card issue that's currently causing all the whining at ACLU headquarters and in and airport protests.
I realize Trump is moving fast and doing lots of stuff simultaneously and you might be used to a president who spends half his time on a golf course, but you're gonna have to learn to keep up.
Trump shouldn't have conflicting business interests, at all.
Corollary to Betteridge's law of headlines: whenever a sentence begins with "I find it curious", it originated with the following regular expression:
s/X is simply confirming[citation needed]/I find it curious that X is simply confirming/
Curiosity not required.
There are the news reports that Trump's 90-day immigration moratorium is aimed at majority-Muslim countries excepting those where he has/had business interests. And also calling it a "Muslim ban". But those narratives don't fit the facts. Here's the list of majority-Muslim countries in descending order of population, plus those with severe civil unrest, and those subject to the moratorium. I'm measuring accuracy by country count. I should really come up with a more sophisticated measure of accuracy, but can't be bothered...
The overlap with his business interests may or may not be a coincidence, that's the problem with his business interests, you can't tell if he's making a decision for personal profit or not.
But this is intended as a Muslim ban, Giuliani is taking credit for the policy saying that Trump asked him for a legal way to do the Muslim ban and that's what they came up with.
The list of countries banned corresponds to a list of countries singled out for extra scrutiny in an omnibus spending bill signed into law by Obama. But it's misleading to say it's Obama's list since the bill was primarily authored by congressional Republicans and if Obama didn't sign it when he did the US would have had another government shutdown.
From a safety concern this is entirely targeted at Muslims and not terrorists since it includes Iran which is the wrong religion.
Iran is a Shia majority country and Islamic terrorism is overwhelmingly confined to a few Sunni sects. It would be like banning immigration from London because you're afraid of the IRA. There is no rational reason to ban Persian immigrants from a safety perspective.
I stole this Sig
It is neither bad,
sure it is.
nor illegal.
Remains to be seen. Judges have moved to block it pending an actual court case.
I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing.
Wait you *wanted* to get fuck Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps.ed over while he enriches his billionaire friends? Well, OK, I guess there's a fetish for everything!
I'm not blaming you for what he is doing,
So your call "Obama did it! Obama did it!" was just for giggles then?
scramble to keep up
This is a pretty predictable playlist, it's hard to "keep up" when I'm already ahead.
And no, a trap does not imply deception.
Yes it does, otherwise, people wouldn't enter a trap.
Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps. ... so you willingly fell into the traps? Or you didn't notice them because they were well hidden. In other words, you were deceived.
So, what is your proof that Trump is fascist?
Start here:
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth....
Then there's this straight out of literally Hitler's playbook ("The Criminal Jew"):
http://thehill.com/homenews/ad...
I've given you examples of actual, real fascism
No, you've brought up other things that other people did. The reason for that is you know deep down that Trump is indefensible and so your only way to excuse his behaviour is to try to divert attention to other people. It's perhaps a good way of deceiving yourself but it won't work on me.
Anyway now we both know what Trump is really like, and it's clear to me that if you examine your thoughts deeply you will reach the same conclusion, because otherwise there is no rational reason for you to make the arguments you are making. You don't have to worry about losing face on the internet so there's no need to admit it here. Just do the sensible thing next time you're in the polling booth, eh? That's the great thing about anonymous elections, you can save face in public but do the right thing where it counts.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
CA is the most populated state by nearly 10 mil, more people = more federal tax revenue. CA gets basically all its water and food from midwest states. Do you really think you can feed 38 mil people with almonds and strawberries.
Saudi Arabia has central government to preform background checks. There is no way to preform background checks with the countries listed.
Uh, you guys were allies prior to pearl harbor weren't you? Or were you guys attacking the Japanese prior to declaring war on them officially?
I like living in a world where people are treated like human beings. I guess that you don't.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
This is a common error known as Simpson's Paradox
D'oh!
Tantrums? You mean like the one Trump threw when less people showed up for his inauguration than Obama's? I'm sorry, but Trump is behaving a lot more like a petulant child than presidential. I mean, things like science must be vetted by political appointees now? Or how about the fact that his national security council is now headed by Steve Bannon, a guy who loves pushing conspiracy theories. I mean, politically, the most Trump accomplished before being elected was getting Obama to show his birth certificate. So if you want to talk about sanity, the presidency is not a reality TV show.
Trump was mostly projecting about Hillary. After all, he won't give up his unsecured personal cell phone, and he and his senior staff use a private email server, the same one where 22 million emails mysteriously disappeared and that US intelligence services believe was compromised by the Russians.
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And what could the left do about it when the right controls most state houses, governorships and congress? Stuff that happens on campus is handled locally and by the state for the most part, not the federal government. And getting the republican congress to pass laws to crack down on it? Good luck with that.
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Why would von Braun go to the gallows? He developed weapons which were used in a war against a legitimate enemy. What part of that is illegal? The illegal part was capturing a POW and forcing him to work for you by threatening his family. The only criminal in this is Truman not von Braun
**Life is too short to be serious**
Obama was prohibited from closing Gitmo due to an act of congress. There are a lot fewer people being held there than when he started. I don't know where you get the idea that it expanded under Obama, if anything, he did a lot to shrink it.
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Actually the Pilgrims were religious fanatics who left Netherland because the Dutch were forcing them to respect the religious freedoms of Catholics and not attack them simply for being not protestant. People after Trump's own heart.
What people dont understand is that Europe went through its 100 year war and 30 year war where Protestants and Catholics killed each other till the fanatics were eliminated and people learned to live with each other. The ISIS of the day - those who would not live in peace at any cost- went to the USA. That USA is much more religious than Europe is part of its history. That it is more susceptible to the Christian equivalent of ISIS is also part of this cultural makeup. Baghdadi and Trump two sides of the same coin.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Japan surrendered because the soviets attacked. But without the nuclear bomb Stalin would have proceeded to occupy Japan and the Japanese would be Russofied instead of Americanized. The Nuclear bomb made Stalin pause.
**Life is too short to be serious**
In many places where he wants to build the wall it's nearly impossible. The terrain is extremely rugged or there's sand dunes. Good luck building a wall in sand dunes and rough terrain like Big Bend, Tx. He also has never heard of tunnels or drones. Most illegals overstay their visas and enter the country legally.
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California has a bunch of shuttered Nuclear plants which can be brought online in an emergency. red Californians are not seceding back. Most of the farmland is useless without water piped over from North California's liberal areas. Plus the majority population in the farm areas are Hispanic farmworkers. Very easy for a new govt to handover the land to those who actually operate the machines and grow the food rather than the Republican reactionaries with their names on the deeds. After all last time CA changed hands all the land with Mexican owners got their deeds invalidated and Gringos got handed out free land. No reason why ill-gotten gains cant be taken away.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Given that 911 was an inside job you would need to put USA on the list.
Except, im not European, im an Aussie. Sorry to upset your white trash bigoted bullshit you stupid cunt.
Ah - the liberals predicament completely disagreeing with Trump, but finding yourself defending him because your sense of fair play kicks in when the media reports things incorrectly.
They are even more scary than the right wing fanatics.
This. Trump was elected on a populist mandate. He's doing exactly what he was elected to do. A true populist. What did yo think was going to happen. BTW, real story here is that yet again, the bum protesters were funded by billionaire hedge fun manager and former Nazi, George Soros.
You are a fucking RWNJ troll, suck it up princess, lots more downmods for uselesscunts like you.
All 7 countries are countries where the US has actively supported Terrorism and/or rebel movements which have caused a lot of deaths. Stands to reason many secular folks from these countries might want to come into US under false pretences to target the terrorist supporting state of USA at the source. This is not a Muslim Ban. This is an Enemy Civilians Ban. We are at undeclared war with all 7 of these countries and have a lot of blood on our hands. Stands to reason to keep out people who might be seeking revenge against us for our terrorism.
**Life is too short to be serious**
The alternative might have been a stalemate once the invasion of the Japanese mainland was fought to a standstill. Perhaps there would have been an armistice, and Japan would have kept territory it seized in Asia and the Philippines. The worst result would be that Japan would have been rewarded for it's actions, and would be quite a different nation than it is today.
Take your whining somewhere else
Awww, poor RWNJ is upset, the snowflake is you, dumb bigoted cunt.
2 of my posts are now at +5, looks like you dumbfucks are losers.
This is untrue.
You have a Muslim friend?
That's great!
Do you have a black friend, too?
I remeber the time when reading Slashdot was more than Trump and his minions. Those days I used to be called a "pro-yank" cause I thought the US was leading the charge , so to speak. ... I wish the remaining persons on the US good luck I hope you can make something before time passes and you become what you were supposed to fight... Because yeah America is grate, but not for long ... And not that grate, don't fool yourselves believing otherwise. As for the Trump minions, I really hope you stay on your side of the wall. Your hate is contagious and it may backfire on you.
Now, I'm just one more sad mother fucker waiting to see our times equivalent to Rome start to crumble and fade into the abyss of xenophobic racist retrograde policitics. I wish those days lasted longer
That statement helps explain at least part of your confused understanding of range of issues, including sexuality.
Ok kids, if you want to see how a peabrain concedes that he has no argument, scroll up and read serviscope's post a couple of times until you become familiar with the signs. The very short version is a lot of huffing and puffing, and absolutely no substance.
First, he starts with "Nuh uh", then he twists my words into a pretzel, then he continues to insist on something that everyone can plainly see is false. Then it gets really good: he links to a blogger force-fitting "facts", some real and some false, through a set of vague checkboxes, none of which have anything to do with actual fascism, and most of which could be fit to just about anyone famous.
And then, Trump is literally Hitler why? Because he is directing the publication of crimes weekly. WEEKLY, the bastard! I mean that is straight out of Mein Kampf. Everyone knows that free countries publish their crime stats quarterly.
And to top it off, he repeats his denial of the obvious and apparent fascism that we all watched on TV and youtube, because that was "other things that other people did". (See notes on fascism below)
His conclusion is that no rational being can disagree with him. Now, that just seems like a typical dehumanizing tactic - it is a lot easier to punch a guy on the street if he isn't human, or if you have defined him as evil.
Scott Adams has something to say about this topic too. I think it is well worth the read.
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Apparently to a peabrain, fascism is something that one man does, and not a political movement. After all, the big problem in Italy was Benito himself, and not the hordes of violent thugs, or "Fascist Party" that chose him as their leader.
If any reader has any doubt about what we are seeing in this country these days, please go look up fascism in your favorite encyclopedia and compare notes. Here is one at random: "Fascists view World War I as having made liberal democracy obsolete". Skipping the chronology, who considers democracy obsolete? In other words, who has been rioting and calling to throw out an election they didn't win?
See that "Preview" button?
First, in fact, they came for the UTF-8 aware developers.
So you think the role of the US is to replicate the role of EU? Not really, otherwise the US would have Chancellor Merkel.... er, .. President Hillary Clinton.
Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis Spirals out of Control
‘Cologne is every day’: Europe’s rape epidemic
Why Did British Police Ignore Pakistani Gangs Abusing 1,400 Rotherham Children? Political Correctness
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Tantrums? You mean like the one Trump threw when less people showed up for his inauguration than Obama's?
It's worth mentioning that as a strategy, he was able to get the media entirely focused on that, and off the women's march. See for example.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Try again?
Obama administration originally flagged 7 countries in Trump's order
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Daesh (or ISIS if one wants to pander to their own self-propagandising title) aimed to force Muslims on to their side by committing extreme and unjustifiable acts that would be reflect on- and be associated with- Muslims as a whole by the greater world, increasing discrimination and prejudice against them- and, in turn, increasing the hostility of Muslims as a whole in the face of this prejudice- forcing them into the hands of Daesh and their allies.
For this to work, you need people to respond in the planned kneejerk manner.
Step forward, Donald J Trump. Your executive order blanket-banning people from Muslim countries and plans to discriminate on the basis of religion are *exactly* what they planned for and wanted.
Well done. You played right into their hands. You are ISIS/Daesh's useful idiot.
Actually, it's an unwitting alliance. The neo-fascists who have usruped the republican party have been looking for a way to get someone into high office, and ISIS has been hoping for a neo-fascist idiot to get elected into a high office so they have a high power recruiting tool.
Not only is Mango Mussolini a full on neo-fascists, he's also clearly corrupt and self-serving. One needs only look at the list of banned countries. Countries where Trump has business interests are not on the list (those also happen to be where terrorists have originated from).
~X~
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Haha typical libtard why do you hate America so much lolwtf!
Fascism has won. In a couple years the Constitution itself will be considered seditious.
~X~
if you hadn't noticed it is being used as a propaganda tool.
If Obama had done the same thing quoting "threats to national security" he would be lauded by the press.
was no need to invade and force your orgasm,
There's that problematic language again.
THE CONVERSION OF COMMANDER ROGERS
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese and you wouldn't be writing it from your iPhone...
Those "German immigrant scientists" you're referring to were largely brought over AFTER the war was over in Operation Paperclip. The Japanese military lost when they failed to destroy the American aircraft carriers that were supposed to be at Pearl Harbor.
TL;DR - You're bigoted and ignorant.
Well, you could just Google this (unless you'd rather have your own facts).
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/...
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...
https://www.aol.com/article/ne...
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Do you live in the UK? Remind me... isn't that the country with all of the CCTVs? The one that's trying to collect and bank DNA evidence on everyone every chance they get? The one that routinely tries to ban people with unpopular opinions from setting foot in the country? The one with the ASBOs? The one without a right to remain silent[1] without it being held against you? The one that is banning all "deviant" pornography, including any image or video showing any female orgasm that looks a bit too moist? The one that has made it flatly illegal to refuse to provide your password to the police/courts?
Please. If you want to criticize the American government's attitude towards privacy and individual liberty, you should first try moving to a country that didn't regard 1984 as a goddamn instruction manual. Our healthcare system may be a fucking joke, but privacy rights are still a hundred times better over here even if this order stands.
(if you live in AU or somewhere else, please let me know so I can adjust this rant accordingly.)
1. Granted, ours has frayed a bit recently.
I'm starting to wonder if it isn't the other way around: a power grab in the US with terrorists as the boogey man (since the Soviet Union and Cold War is over). I used to think it was just ineptitude, but it is just too consistent for that. The US policy in the Middle East always seems to create future enemies that need to be fought, benefiting military contractors. Every bomb dropped needs replaced, just look at those revenue numbers skyrocket! Then of course rebuilding everything afterwards requires expensive contractors as well.
* US backs Shah against democratically elected officials, creating theocracy and a future enemy.
* US trains Bin Laden and others how to fight against a superpower, creating a future enemy.
* US provides weapons to an enemy in the Iran Contra scandal.
* US alllows it's companies to sell key technologies to Iraq, which aided them in their chemical, missile, and nuclear programs, building up a future enemy.
* US, with drones and other planes bomb weddings and children on a disturbingly frequent basis. The military and intelligence agencies know this will create blowback, more future terrorists, yet on it continues.
* US destabilizes Iraq, allowing ISIS to get built up and armed. Say what you will about Saddam, he kept jihadists in check. This enabled an enemy to rise to power, which is still our enemy.
* US provides weapons and aid to jihadists in Syria (same CNN link above) . Come on, if you've been paying attention you know what these people will become right? Future enemies! So predictable!
When will this madness end? No wonder everyone in the Middle East hates the US, just look at history and it's all laid out to see.
So your argument is based on the logical fallacy damning the source and conflating correlation with causation? My debate professor would have failed you. How about you support your argument by finding a source with actual evidence that says that 208 of the founding fathers/authors/signers of the declaration of independence weren't churchgoing Christians? Oh that's right, you can't because they were. You complain because my sources exist specifically in response to all of the revisionist BS that your professors fed you in college, that you are now regurgitating at me. There is evidence for maybe two of the founders being Diests (not Atheists mind you, just Diests not affiliated directly with any denomination). Hard evidence on any of the other 206 not being Christians? Anyone? Anyone? Beuler?
Your evidence that the founders weren't Christians is that they just went to church because everyone did back then just further supports my assertion that the US was founded as a Christian nation that was founded on Judeo-Christian values even more if everyone around the time of its founding was going to church. Beyond that, these were grown ass men, many of them in the military, are you seriously saying that they would have gone to church every Sunday just because everyone was doing it, even after they fought a war for the freedom to worship how they wanted or to not worship?!?! There are literally mountains of evidence that nearly all of the founding fathers were Christian, if you are willing to open your eyes and do the research.
BTW, calling Christians fundamentalist nutjobs is Bigoted, Google the definition. If you are such a big liberal, where is your tolerance for beliefs and viewpoints other than your own? It kind of sounds like you are one of those fascist progressives.
Freedom of religion: every person is free to pursue or practice their religion or non religion within the laws of the land (sorry, no human sacrifice, honor killings, violent Jihad, female mutilation or subjugation, no Sharia law.) There are limits.
Freedom from religion: all public officials must be Atheists or they cannot use their personal faith and beliefs to inform their decision making process and actions in their publicly held office. This is probably what you want, but it aint in the constitution, sorry.
As you can see, freedom of and freedom from are very different things.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
It's true, moselms hate Jews. But then, everyone in their right mind hates Jews. And nor does an Islamic hatred of Jews prevent Jews from using Islam as an instrument to wipe out ethnic Europeans. As any Palestinian will attest: nobody does genocide better than Jews.
In other words, we ought to continue allowing moslem terrorists to enter the country, because if we don't, we risk angering the existing moslems and they will strike out at us.
What part of being held to ransom do you not understand?
Unimpressive is the person talking snarkily about risk analysis, whilst FAILING to demonstrate any associated benefit to Americans that would justify the increased domestic terror risk.
Americans will be next in being excluded from privacy policies. Just you wait and see.
It will be sold as, "Why should Americans be excluded from the protection of the state? These unfair and unsafe privacy policies expose Americans to terrorism daily!"
Or, it can be sold as, "American needs to be competitive! Foreigners get all the benefits of being exempt from the privacy policies, while deserving American citizens get the shaft! It is constraining regulation that discriminates against hard-working Americans!"
Or even, sold as, "I said America comes first and I'm the American President. Therefore my idea comes first and I say down with privacy policy!"
And here we have a fine AC liberal specimen flourishing it it's natural habitat, complete with zero argument and ad homonym attacks. The complete set is not as rare as you might think.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
ANSWER http://www.npr.org/2017/01/28/511996783/how-does-trumps-immigration-freeze-square-with-his-business-interests
And I know this didn't answer your question about India, so here's the answer from the President's own "mouth":
INDIA http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/india/trump-tower-mumbai
It's being debunked and torn apart left, right and center. The Obama plan it 'copies' only affected Iraqi refugees (not green card holders, etc) for example. This is just a really, really weak attempt to shift blame away from Trump and at others (like Obama), and you got suckered in. I'm sure there's a "You've been manipulated!" gold star button in the mail for you though. Those who can't actually substantiate their 'fake news everywhere else' pleas are very likely fake news themselves.
And what do you suppose the odds of you being a victim of a terrorist attack?
Ooh, I know this one. Not nearly as dangerous as the true terror: bathtubs.
So in contrast, you are 14 times more likely to die in your bathtub than in a terrorist attack, 11 times more likely to die by slipping during a shower, 16 times by lightning, 517 times more likely to be murdered (there is on average one murder every 60 seconds worldwide), 991 times by self-injury, 500 times in a car accident (3,000 people die every day in road accidents worldwide), 450 times by falling, 118 times by accidental drowning, 41 times in natural disasters (earthquake, flood etc.), 25 times by choking on food, 13 times by a dog bite, 4 times by falling off a ladder, 1.8 million times by a heart disease, 1860 times by electrocution, 93 times by bee sting, and 3 times more likely to die by a snake bite or food poisoning.
So if you don't cower in fear of your bathtub, then you shouldn't cower in fear of terrorists.
Derp, it doesn't copy the list, it references it. You do know the difference, right? This used to be a hangout for techies, including programmers. I do understand that pointers is what separates the programmers from the chaff, but give it a try.
The order says (paraphrased): "we are going to prevent entry from the countries on this handy list that Obama left us". Which is exactly what I said. And that is also exactly what the author of the linked article says.
So, what exactly is being debunked here, other than your implied claims to English literacy?
See that "Preview" button?
All I can say is, welcome to the new order, Jew. The fact that you're being attacked from both the far left and the far right is indicative that the Jew is a UNIVERSAL PROBLEM across the political spectrum. Jews have used both left and right movements to their own ends, where it suits them. The only reason you have been able to sustain your position this long is that a largely Jewish media was there to cover for you. Now that mainstream Jewish media has disgraced itself as partisan, pushing a Jewish agenda, people are looking elsewhere for information and you no longer have a protective cloak.
In short, your time is up. Better pack your bags and head for Israel before we hand out yellow stars.
The left and right of American politics are two heads of the same hydra, and have been for decades. Both push open borders and globalism: on the 'left' it is liberalism, globalism by means of social policy; on the 'right' it is neoconservatism, globalism by means of economic policy. Both result in the gradual convergence towards a single, Jewish-controlled new world order. The Jews have today eradicated much competition from white countries: through open borders and programmes of 'diversity' they have greatly damaged our ability to unify as coherent nations, and have thus damaged our ability to mount an effective challenge to Jewish control. The tides, however, are rapidly shifting. Today we see an incredible resurgence of Nationalism throughout Europe (and white nations globally) as our people come to realise we've been played for fools.
Do yourself a favour and listen to the recording I posted. I don't expect you will agree with all of it; but you might find it interesting, and I know you will be better off for having listened to it.
You seem obsessed with small penii. Odds are strong there's projection going on.
"Trump is behaving a lot more like a petulant child."
Yes but maybe looking at why can help. Let's imagine it as a game of chess. The other side is cheating but they control the process of discourse (even if it is simply subverted to nothing). Trump is well versed in this game, he knows that if he argues back calmly (and even if he were right) he would lose. The compound product of conditioning would be too strong. So he plays a gambit move, raw emotion, to break through it. What he now does with that power remains to be seen but it is safe not to be alarmed by a campaign trying to put humpty dumpty back together again .
So rich countries that can make tribute payments to the Trump regime and whose citizens are financially benefitting Trumps companies are not destined for 'the list' even though these countries are financing terrorist organisations that attack and kill US citizens but others including some that are actually fighting ISIS in Syria make the list. I suppose Trump supporters have a hard time spelling 'hypocrisy'.
Of course not. They have two equally valid ways of spelling it, C-l-i-n-t-o-n and O-b-a-m-a. And we'll need that beam in our eyes for beating up immigrants, thank you very much.
then he twists my words into a pretzel
Translation: NO FAIR! Stop responding to what I wrote, you have to use the arguments I know in my feelings to be right but can't express.
Tell you what, if you let me know in advance which of your arguments you feel are too weak to be addressed, then I'll steer clear of them. OK? That way your feelings can remain intact, and maybe you won't have to resort fo flinging quite so much poo!
And, I still see you're banging the "Trump isn't fascist because someone else did something" drum. That's grade A republican thinking: never, ever take responsibility.
Also, a link to Scott Adams? Should I listen to him because he's a master persuader with a genius level IQ? He used to write an excellent cartoon, but went kind of nuts about 10 years ago when he forgot DNRC was his own joke and started taking it seriously.
who considers democracy obsolete?
You apparently. Democracy is more than just visiting the polling booth. It contains a number of strands, such as right to protest and freedom of speech. It appears that people exercising their democratic rights has really, *really* upset you.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
People who move to a place to then try and impose the rules of the places they moved from are not the type of people who are wanted.
Not everybody behaves like an American tourist.
So for an American, Japanese rule would be the most familiar.
Ruby ridge, and Waco gave us the OKC bombing which then gave us, years of a federal government NOT slaughtering its people.
Fear is real and it works. A fearful government is a safe government.
You should not get your informations from the yellow press. They do not have "truth" as their business model.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If the United States was a meritocracy, George W. Bush would be lucky to be the assistant manager of a Burger King, and you'd find 50% of investment bankers and dot com millionaires coming from a background of destitution because they studied hard in school.
Basically it's despotism rather than meritocracy.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
My words: I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing.
Your pretzel: Wait you *wanted* to get fucked over while he enriches his billionaire friends?
Does that really strike you as "responding to what I wrote"? Am I really the one flinging poo here?
If the behavior seen below is your idea of "right to protest", "freedom of speech" and "democratic rights", then yes, it has upset the me a great deal.
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How much more do you want? Do you want to see links to people encouraging this violence too?
See that "Preview" button?
Let's compromise and ignore it until it enters the top 100 causes of death.
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I dunno, they do an awful lot of sitting down, so I'm thinking Ottoman....
Freedom of, and freedom from are exactly the same thing. Some are NOT religious, and that is a valid choice under our system.
Excerpt from Article 6 of the Constitution:
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
As to the rest about the founders, we'll never really know since we can't ask them. I've known many people who go to church because that is what they are expected to do in their community and they don't wish to be ostracized for their non-belief. I'm not going to go looking for sources because you're not one to read said sources and evaluate accordingly, but just in case: https://www.britannica.com/top...
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
Does that really strike you as "responding to what I wrote"? Am I really the one flinging poo here?
You're the one who busted ought the insults.
Anyway are any of those videos of Trump? No? The best defense you can come up with for Trump is to point out he's not the worst person ever. It's clear to me now that you do in fact realise. I consider my work here done, and like I said, there's no need for you to lose face. So Yaaaay Trump etc etc etc.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
My dad actually has a degree in risk management. He dealt with managing risk for healthcare systems. He voted for Trump. The politicians have completely poisoned the well. They have convinced too many that you can't trust anything rational. Now the politicians can just promise anything. It doesn't matter how ridiculous or impossible the idea, people will vote for it. It doesn't matter that any solution they offer depends on an extreme over simplification of the problem that just doesn't match reality. I don't see this ending soon (in a good way anyway).
In other words, we ought to continue allowing moslem terrorists to enter the country, because if we don't, we risk angering the existing moslems and they will strike out at us.
The ban wasn't on "moslem terrorists", it was a ban on all people from primarily Muslim countries with a potential exception for Christians. In other words, a ban on Muslims, and your assumption is exactly the "treat all Muslims as terrorists" behaviour they're looking for.
Sure, you could stop "moslem terrorists" entering the country by stopping anyone at all entering the country, of course.
You could also stop mass murderers of American children by locking up anyone with far-right sympathies. (Spoiler; I don't think that's a good idea either).
Or you could better target those known to be a threat. I'm tired of governments using terrorism as an excuse for repression when in- seemingly- the vast majority of cases the people involved were already known as a risk to the intelligence services.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
but foreigners have NO right to privacy in the US. Never have... So just mark this up to another Trump hater spouting off BS...
"If I gave you a bowl of Skittles and three of them were poison would you still eat them?" ..." ..."
"Are the other Skittles human lives?"
"What?"
"Like, is there a good chance, a really good chance, I would be saving someone from a war zone and probably their life if I ate a Skittle?"
"Well sure. But the point
"I would eat the Skittles."
"Ok, well, the point is
"I would GORGE myself on Skittles. I would eat every single Skittle I could find. I would STUFF myself with Skittles. And when I found the poison Skittle and died, I would make sure to leave behind a legacy of children and of friends who also ate skittle after Skittle until there were no Skittles to be eaten. And each person who found the poison Skittle we would weep for. We would weep for their loss, for their sacrifice, and for the fact that they did not let themselves succumb to fear but made the world a better place by eating Skittles.
Because your REAL question, the one you hid behind an inaccurate, insensitive, dehumanizing racist little candy metaphor, is: IS MY LIFE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF MEN, WOMEN, AND TERRIFIED CHILDREN?
And what kind of monster would think the answer to that question is yes?"
(http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/09/22/skittles-refugees-gorge-skittles)
It may look like I'm doing nothing, but I'm actively waiting for my problems to go away.
--Scott Adams
Soon, using the word "foreigner" will get you put in prison. Don't you know there are no such things as "countries" and "borders", and only an evil person would speak of such things?
Muslims have no right to move into somebody else's country. Islam is a political ideology, not a religion, and we can see how 'wonderful' Islam is by looking at Sweden, France, and also every currently majority muslim nation - they are all places that muslims are leaving in droves - to get away from what THEY created - a shit society.
I thought that was the point of all the major spying organizations sharing Intel, so they they would get uncensored and unrestricted access to their own citizens info?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Laugh it up, but Trump just ordered a weekly publication of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Hitler did the same back in the 40's. Google up "The Criminal Jew".
Out of all the yelling and screaming I have heard recently, this fact is the most interesting. Do you have a link to research the veracity of your statement with?
Honestly, with all the yelling and screaming and twisting and turning, it is hard to do any meaningful research. Completely innocent things get twisted into huge human rights violations and then, you run across a true human rights violation like this and nobody has ever heard of it. WTF people? Just shut up and talk about facts.
On the bright side, many people who I considered sane here at Slashdot have proven themselves to be rabidly ignorant people who would foreswear rational and logical thought in order to hate on a single person. But then, the climate change articles should have proven that long ago.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
But that's exactly what Trump is doing. He comes from a reality where his bigotry knows no bounds, and he wants to impose his rules on the entire US.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
The answer to your question is "Bring business back to America" means "bring manufacturing jobs back to America by denying access to the American Consumer to competing international businesses". From that standpoint, freedom of movement and freedom of immigration have actually become BAD things to Trump's cause of bringing jobs back to America. Freedom in general is bad- slavery to corporations is good, because that makes America attractive to sweatshops again.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"Trump may actually be a good thing in the long run.
He might get Democrats and Republicans talking to each other again, maybe looking past their minor differences and finding compromise."
In his own way he is being a service to the country by shocking us out of complacency. Exactly what I hoped for and knew would happen.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Oligarchy with some despotic elements.
You haven't got a master of economics, or you'd also know basic things that the US does not have the highest immigration rate, not per capita, not per GDP, not per landmass, not in total. In fact not in any metric.
How about highest immigration rate per IQ point of current President/Prime Minister/Ruler?
Curious how you came up with your figures. And as to countries with "civil unrest and poor-functioning central government", isn't that pretty much the definition of countries with refugees? So, according to your figures (how did you get 98%?), the order focuses the ban on refugees coming from countries with refugees (civil unrest and poor-functioning central government).
Sure, it had nothing to do with the constant fire-bombing by the US that was far more destructive than even the a-bombs we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
While they certainly won the European front, Russia was merely a diversion in the Pacific theater. The US had established air supremacy and US air power was acting with complete impunity by the time Stalin started thinking about addressing Japan in any serious manner. A full surrender to the US was inevitable, with the nuclear attacks only moving the timeline up a bit.
The Emirates pulled the plug on one of his projects after he first announced his Muslim ban after the San Bernardino shootings. I'm not sure whether the Saudis and others have reacted similarly, but I can't imagine activity's picked up. Also, based on the announcement he made a couple of weeks ago about how his overseas business is being segregated from him and how all profits will go into the US treasury, he has nothing to gain by enhancing his overseas properties.
Curious how you came up with your figures. And as to countries with "civil unrest and poor-functioning central government", isn't that pretty much the definition of countries with refugees? So, according to your figures (how did you get 98%?), the order focuses the ban on refugees coming from countries with refugees (civil unrest and poor-functioning central government).
As I said, my figures need to be done more carefully. But my methodology for this first pass was:
(1) From wikipedia, get a list of muslim-majority countries in descending order
(2) From wikipedia, get a list of countries with armed conflict (measured in deaths/year 2016). Maybe I should have instead used the Global Peace Index. There were two non-muslim-majority countries which had notable armed conflict, so I added them to the list: Mexico and Nigeria.
(3) I added a bit of general knowledge. To my understanding, Nigeria has solidly functioning civil governance and its conflict is due to tribal conflict over oil proceeds. And I believe Mexico has solidly functioning civil governance apart from the drug war. (That's why maybe the Global Peace Index would have been better and more objective).
(4) For each of the three claims, I went through the country list to determine how many of the countries it correctly predicted whether they'd be subject to the moratorium or not. That's where the 98% number came from.
I would like to redo the numbers with some different methodology. My first question is what percentage of the world's muslims are subject to the immigration moratorium. I suspect that because the hugely populous Muslim countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Turkey, Egypt aren't on the ban, probably it affects only a small percentage. Then I'd want to look at population numbers for the Global Peace Index too.
I'm not sure your point about refugees. There were separate things: (1) 90-day moratorium on immigration from certain countries, (2) 120-day moratorium on refugee admission, (3) indefinite moratorium on refugees from Syria. I've only been considering the first one to see whether it really should be considered anti-Muslim.
In general, I think the executive order signals a terrible shift towards refugee-unfriendliness, and I think this is the bit that we should focus on. When we focus instead on the claim "it's targeted at Muslims", I think that weakens the message.
You also didn't answer me about Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia. India - Muslims are just 15% of their population, but there's no reason he couldn't have asked the Indians to not issue passports to Muslims that would be valid for the US if he wanted to. But my point was - if the purpose of the ban was to blacklist Muslims from coming, why would he leave out the part of the world that has 1 billion of the 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide?
What everyone is missing is that you can loose _ALL_ your rights as a US citizen by being declared "not a United States citizen". They don't have to have any kind of court order, bench warrant, judicial review or appeal process, etc. You're basically screwed without recourse.
Malaysia: Tony Tiah Thee Kian is his business partner for Malaysia
Indonesia: (which was already noted in the post you replied to): Hary Tanoesoedibjo is his business partner in Indonesia.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/world/2017/01/13/trumps-foreign-network
Who knows what other global business connections he has -- he is keeping his tax returns secret for a reason.
Even if "all foreign profits will go into the US treasury" (and how will we know that given that he won't release his full financials?), the value of his holdings -- this is all real estate you know -- can skyrocket because of his Presidential "fame".
So what if he tosses some small profits to the US, he'd be better off plowing the money back into the foreign investments until he leaves office. So there go the profits - back into the company.
And he can twist the Federal policies to ensure that his investments grow in value. That's called "conflict of interest".
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Holding Steve Jobs up as an example of Syrian innovation is down and out inane. He had nothing to do w/ his sperm donor: he was raised solely by a White couple, who was the only family he knew and loved. Yeah, he did accept his birth sister once he got to know her, but he made it a point to emphasize that Mr Jobs, not Mr Jandali, was his father. PERIOD!
He's not gonna know that b'cos it'll be run by his successors - namely Don, Eric and Allen Weisselburg for the duration of his presidency. If all profits go into the treasury, then all that's left are operating expenses of the company.
The full financials of his company were released when he announced his candidacy. His tax returns is what the Left is hung up on, but they reveal little about his financials, other than the net of what he had to pay. Besides, how is his personal tax returns in any way relevant to the P&L statements and balance sheets of the Trump Organization, which is the subject here?
His company will be run by his two sons and his CFO. And of course none of them will ever, ever, ever mention business when the family gets together.
(Just to dispel any doubt about my meaning here: </s>)
I think you're smarter than that.
I think we all get it. Trump used someone else's list so he can shift the blame if people don't like it. I guess I should be surprised that he and his lot are unable to initiate critical thinking skills and come up with their own list and defend it.
No, he's not a fascist, fascist leaning but not full on.
Fascist leaning is all you need to let gravity do the rest when you have somebody too stupid to notice his shoelaces being tied together.
Not really valid. Those stats liberals love to beat their chests with also include military bases. Some states have almost none, others have a lot. Hampton Roads, Virginia is not an unusually large metro area but has over 15 military installations, one of which is the largest in the world. On your liberal paper it looks like the whole area is a welfare state, but in reality it is where most of the forces are that protect the country. California does not subsidize anyone. We're not even counting their reliance on other states for water, power, food and a myriad of other things. Sure they grow a lot, but the world could live without their almonds and wine.
A fairer analogy would be: you suspect that there exist, somewhere in the USA, some candy bars that are poisoned. You have no definitive evidence that they exist, but you strongly believe they do because some politician told you so.
Do you stop eating candy?
Look at it another way: do you eat red meat at all? If you do, then you're already running a risk of prion-transmitted diseases (BSE, CJD) which is at least as bad as the risk from terrorism.
You know that was written by a poet and not an American politician, right? You know that these words are found nowhere in any of our founding documents or laws, right? It's a fine poem, but it is not, and never has been, official policy.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/25/text-trump-executive-order-on-enhancing-public-safety-in-interior-united-states.html
Beware the aliens - they are not like us.
Slashdot is still a cesspool of liberal circle-jerking. Moving right along.
By the time you get your historical perspective the damage will be quite irreversible. The kind of dictatorship that #PresidentTweety is obviously seeking to impose from day one of his reign poses a potentially fatal threat to America's constitutional government.
Some people think climate change is the elephant in the room. However, I'm quite confident that it's already too late to worry about averting human-induced climate change, but at least I think that problem isn't an existential crisis for humanity. More of a profit opportunity for owners of real estate around the poles.
Anyway, the "discussion" can safely be regarded as pointless and closed. Should I now predict you won't follow your own rude and mindless advice and just "Shut. The. Fuck. Up."?
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Trump has undoubtedly already committed sufficiently many unconstitutional acts to support an impeachment, and lots of Republicans are unhappy with him. The Democrats have not in recent memory advocated policy's as stupid as Trump's, and have not fielded a worse candidate.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
In the time it took you to type that in, fill in the captcha, and submit the post you could have completed the web search to find the citation. But here you go:
Restrictions from Obama years broadened to a ban
In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."
"By then, it will be too late.", is the claim that is in question here. I will, Shut. The. Fuck. Up. if you will. I want perspective, not knee jerk reactions.
I do sincerely apologise for the rudeness. It was uncalled for no matter how frustrated I am. I am sorry.
People of similar political persuasion get together and try to move the country in the direction they like, the HORROR!
A minority feels neglected. According to everything I've been reading in order to understand these people, they're pigheaded assholes, but eventually I might find something favorable to them. They received a massive insanity check and voted for Trump, of all people, someone with no track record for honesty or concern for anyone besides other billionaires, who's known for stiffing the little guy.
If you're looking for tantrums, look at the reaction to an incredibly peaceful march of something like three million people in various cities. Trump was not happy. There's a meme on Facebook where they show some female soldiers, pretend for no obvious reason that it's only possible to respect either the marchers or the soldiers, not both, and complain about their words and actions in highly nonspecific terms that look awfully similar to each other.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
For what Liberty is like in France, I wonder...
Californians contribute more to federal revenue in proportion to what they get back than all but a handful of other (blue) states. That's why it's fair to say that CA subsidizes red states.
This has been debunked numerous times. Why are you still repeating a myth?
First, California utilities own substantial shares in other states, which means federal funds that go to those states with respect to the operation of utilities (including most of the transportation infrastructure, and a lot of regulation/oversight) get funneled right back into lowering the cost of utilities to the residents of California. Water and power both come into play here: California doesn't produce enough of either to keep it's economy functioning and its citizens alive. This is a benefit to California (which also benefits from not having to clean up the waste products of power production for the full amount of power actually being used).
Second, California is an import economy in the areas that matter. For example, the state imports most of the fundamental food crops, such as wheat and potatoes, consumed by it's citizens. Federal transportation infrastructure and agricultural support (not just subsidies) spent in the states that produce these products lower the prices Californians pay, hence a benefit to California.
Even things like lumber - which California does produce - are imported in substantial amounts. This allows Californians to buy products at lower prices (economists call this comparative advantage) and also keep more of their forests in a natural state (for whatever that might be worth). A lot of that is produced from national forests - which the federal government oversees.
Third, the cost of living in California is very high, so many people move to other states. This is especially true of the elderly, who take their Medicare and Social Security with them - which means federal tax dollars get spent elsewhere. Giving Californians the option to do this is a benefit to California - it means California citizens can retire with less money, so they can take lower paying jobs, and pay more in taxes to support the state government, and spend more on products produced within the state. All this amounts to another benefit to Californians from federal dollars going somewhere else.
Fourth, due to the high cost of living, the military has been shifting personnel to other states. This means more federal dollars go elsewhere - but Californians still benefit from the protection provided.
Californians are getting their fair share for their tax dollars - and possibly more than their fair share (read about water usage in the West sometime).
Whether or not that's a good argument for secession is another story.
Outside the big cities, most of CA votes red - which means if the cities were able to leave, the rest of the state would pull a "West Virginia" (recall your Civil War history).
Everyone knows foreigners aren't "people".
Sorry, but you're delusional.
Well, except for Clinton.
Read the Constitution. Trump cannot legally accept payments from any government other than his salary, since there are two emoluments clauses that apply. I'd expect his hotels to get payment from some government or other fairly frequently.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That argument never made any sense, yet it is constantly trotted out there. The Allies had complete naval dominance at that point as well as plenty of air bases (Okinawa, Guam, Saipan, and Tinian islands as well as aircraft carriers) from which they dominated the skies. They could have mounted a siege, with no need to set foot on the island.
All they had to do was bomb the airfields, factories, power plants, etc to remove the ability of Japan to cause any damage whatsoever. At that point you just wait them out. I could imagine broadcasting propaganda that shames them for their weakness and inability to mount any attack whatsoever, which given Japanese honor would demoralize them rather quickly. Instead, they fire-bombed and then nuked civilian areas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Just ask her!
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
Lock your door at night, before you go to bed? HATER! Set the car alarm after you park it before going shopping? XENOPHOBE! Use anti-malware software to protect your computer against hackers and such? Ask who's ringing doorbell before you let them in? ROTTEN BIGOT! That's about the the essence of this whole pathetic hypocritical "outrage" of the shit-for-brains average piece of shit "progressive." Just saying. Grow the fuck up. Hypocrisy is pure evil. Stand for something. I have no problem with that. Anything. Stand for it. But don't run your mouth and pretend you really believe in something whenâ"in most casesâ"you don't really stand for shit. This is OUR country you miserable fucks. I lock my door at night. I set the alarm on my car. I ask "who's there." But you stupid ass clowns act like my "car" belongs to you. Get over your self. Self-worshipping, self-centered reprobates. The only thing you understand is ... nothing.
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
WTF. When the subject of welfare recipients comes up the left is quick to point out that there are more white people on welfare than black. So they're privileged too?
Fundamentally, I want Trump to follow through on his election promises. I want to see what he's going to do and I want him to own the results. I want accountability.
1). We have a democracy. Whatever flaws the system has, he's the President now and he needs to step up;
2). Whatever stupid, inane, unworkable campaign promises he made, I'd like to see his supporters squirm when they see the results;
3). There are a couple of issues on which I think Trump might have a good idea on. Better than the Dems.
Most of all though, I want Trump to be accountable for the results of his policies. Real disaster only happens when the policy fails, Trump declares victory anyway, and his supporters assume policy success only because Trump said it was a success.
More likely, Trump policy failures will be blamed on the Democrats. They aren't in a position to meaningfully block Trump policy, but I expect that Trump and his supporters will attempt to blame them anyway. If and when this happens, be prepared to Trumpet this as FAKE NEWS.
Umm, so you are apparently unaware that the countries Trump's immigration ban apply to was created by Obama. Trump did not come up with these seven countries. He just applied his executive order to the seven countries which the Obama Administration had already designated as countries of special concern relatvie to people coming to the U.S. from those countries.
This from the crowd that said over and over, stop blaming Bush. Though the collapse of American economy was on Bush's head. The naive difference you failed to mention was Obama suggested that citizens from these countries be scrutinized more succinctly. Quite different from a complete ban.
Typical Refublican....playing looser with the facts than a whisky drinking street walker in a Sunday morning church pew.
There are courses on fucking statistics?
I'm impressed... do they count as biology or social science?
I think the Bouffant Buffoon should be made aware that legal privacy protections go both ways in a globalised data market. Why should anyone outside the US be concerned about protecting the privacy of US citizens it they themself will not grant us the same courtesy. What comes of this I cannot say but, one prediction I make is that companies who hold private information will be compelled by the needs of their customers to protect it in ways and places that put it beyond the grasp of law enforcement & intelligence organisations.
If the FBI/CIA/NSA though the world was 'going dark' before they have seen nothing yet.
What relevance is that? It says that it's a concern, but it's unlikely to be resolvable through judicial means, but only political (the courts will have to have the final say on it, but I can come up with scenarios where I think someone might have standing to enforce the clauses in court). My claim was that Trump has probably committed impeachable offenses already, and impeachment is a political remedy. In impeachment, Congress doesn't go through the courts. The House votes that the President has committed a High Crime or Misdemeanor, and violating the Constitution presumably counts. The Senate then conducts the trial There's no concept of "standing" here.
By the way, there are two emoluments clauses that apply. The one the Post doesn't mention applies specifically to the President, and is in article two of the Constitution. The other one says the President can't accept emoluments from domestic governments, other than the legally prescribed salary, which cannot vary during a Presidential term.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
No, your claim was that Trump has "undoubtedly already committed sufficiently many unconstitutional acts to support an impeachment". That's nonsense. Nobody knows whether he violated the emoluments clause because it hasn't been legally settled what that refers to.
(As an aside, I would also point out that Clinton accepted lots of money while in government employment, but the excuse people made for her was "it didn't influence her decisions".)
Impeachment is a purely political matter; violating the Constitution is neither necessary nor sufficient for impeachment.
I'm taking Trump's actions about his business affairs as evidence that he is probably violating one or more emoluments clauses, and also the extent of his businesses. His hotels have got to be doing stuff with government officials. At least one emoluments clause has seen legal examination, specifically with regard to Obama's prize. The Justice Department determined that he was covered under the "foreign governments" emoluments clause, but that the Nobel committee was not a government or an arm of one. I'd expect such determinations to be more or less repeated.
What do you mean by saying Clinton accepted a lot of money while in government employ? There are ways to send money to places an elected official might like without actually giving that person an emolument. Donations to the Clinton Foundation were not emoluments to Clinton. Paying a Trump hotel something is giving money to Trump. The clauses only cover money from governments, so any private money isn't covered. If a Russian businessman rents a room from a Trump hotel, that's Constitutional. If the room is paid for by a government, or (very probably) a government-owned corporation, it isn't.
The impeachment process is for High Crimes and Misdemeanors (and the parsing of that is open to debate). While impeachment is political, the Senate really does have to find the President guilty of something that can be so described. Clinton faced a trial for perjury before the Senate quietly brushed the whole thing under the rug. I don't know what charge Andrew Johnson faced (honest, I wasn't alive for that one). If Trump violates the Constitution, it's a more credible rap than failing to stop and exchange information after a minor accident (to name one misdemeanor, parsing the phrase as (High Crimes) and (Misdemeanors)).
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
fucking stupid Hillary
Not even her husband wants to fuck her.
Also, treason? What treason? The treason of being careless with classified information? The treason of doing everything possible to avoid the fraud protection offered by the Freedom of Information Act? What treason are you concerned about?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That has been the greatest thing about this election, watching all these people losing their shit over a democratic supporter getting elected president on the RNC side.
All these names thrown around about a guy who was in the DNC a few years ago. So now the DNC is full of "racists" "fascists" "KKK members" etc?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
How would we know how much fraud happens when you don't even need ID to vote in many places?
When they were recounting in Detroit, they found evidence of massive voter fraud for Hillary, so what is to say that there is no evidence when some was found with a couple of districts recounting?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
There are conservative and liberal libertarians. They are orthogonal to the left/right divide. But then again, I guess you fellate the authoritarians which is the opposite of libertarians.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
This is the "Skittles" argument. If you're not familiar with why this is a poor metaphor for immigration or refugee programs... I'm reminded of teaching pigs to sing and horses that don't drink.
Irrational fears and logical fallacies aside, this is the land of the free and home of the brave, as we proudly proclaim. I'm brave enough to accept the risk that I might be living next to a psychopath because I like the neighborhood - this assumes my neighbor is a psychopath, a poor assumption taken purely on its merits. And I want others to have the same freedoms that I have - because altruism isn't just something cute to observe on nature programs.
Wanting freedom for others is patriotism. Only wanting freedom for those fortunate enough to be born in our country is something else entirely.
I see my shadow changing, stretching up and over me...