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New Senate Bill Would Give US Grads Preference In Receiving H-1B Visas (computerworld.com)
dcblogs quotes a report from Computerworld: A new bill in Congress would give foreign students who graduate from U.S. schools priority in getting an H-1B visa. The legislation also "explicitly prohibits" the replacement of American workers by visa holders. This bill, the H-1B and L-1 Visa Reform Act, was announced Thursday by its co-sponsors, U.S. Senators Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), longtime allies on H-1B reform. Grassley is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which gives this bill an immediate big leg up in the legislative process. This legislation would end the annual random distribution, via a lottery, of H-1B visas, and replace it with a system to give priority to certain types of students. Foreign nationals in the best position to get one of the 85,000 H-1B visas issued annually will have earned an advanced degree from a U.S. school, have a well-paying job offer, and have preferred skills. The specific skills weren't identified, but will likely be STEM-related. "Congress created these programs to complement America's high-skilled workforce, not replace it," said Grassley, in a statement. "Unfortunately, some companies are trying to exploit the programs by cutting American workers for cheaper labor."
It's a small start on a long needed road of reform. At least they're having the discussion.
Well, you definitely weren't first, but I'll grant you that you're retarded. At least you have that going for you. :)
Regardless of what you think about him, we should thank President Trump for again making it acceptable to put America and Americans first when it comes to policy decisions.
For too long now political correctness, forced on the nation and its people by leftists, has prevented American interests from coming first and foremost.
Thank you, President Trump, for taking away the stigma that leftists have associated with putting America first.
Although this reform isn't as good as completely eliminating these awful visas, it's clearly better than leaving the system as it is. But even this degree of reform would have been unthinkable without President Trump making Americans realize that they don't have to hurt themselves just to benefit foreigners.
There's no way in hell Hillary would have done this. She would have only increased the number of H-1Bs.
Why are students getting H-1B Visas? Isn't this program for professionals who have expertise that can't be found locally?
They were already forbidden from doing this the first time around.
The H-!B program prohibited the replacement of American workers before, but ways were found to get around it. This bill is really saying the same thing with the addition of foreign students getting preference for them? Maybe I'm being a negative nellie here but it seems that this bill doesn't do anything extra than the original bill did except give domestic STEM workers more competition to get into good schools due to an influx of students looking for the H-1B ride.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
According to existing H1-B policies, every year up to 20,000 foreign students who receive a degree from a US university can obtain an H1-B, exempt from the main cap.
So what's different here?
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
I don't think it was political correctness that led to the H1B issue. I think it was probably corporate/rich person greed.
The sad thing is that patriotism and nationalism have become dirty words on the left. It's even worse in Europe, though. Members of the "Britain First" movement are being arrested and persecuted pretty heavily. Shit, you can get into serious trouble there just for selling stuff with the British flag on it. Such is the insane world we live in.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
the U.S. will now let the same talent, a few years younger, pay over their heads for an American "education" before getting hired? Nothing by exploitative. And by "education" I mean the failed circus that churns out dumber and dumber kids each year, and requires the U.S. to suck up 100K highly skilled Asian and European tech workers every year to keep the tech sector afloat.
First fail. There, FTFY.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
Picking oranges.
And what if the world follows suit ?
The US has over $2 Trillion in exports now at risk
What ever the US does, the rest of the world has the right to do the exact same back to the US.
Tell us what happens if the world says "Open source only", how do Apple, Microsoft,Cisco, and all those large US corporations get on ?
How does the US get on if the world says Copyright is only 7 years ?
Will the US population be happy paying higher prices for everything compared to the rest of the world ?
Just remember, the US makes up 4% of the worlds population , the US markets are pretty much saturated, the REAL growth is Asia who make up 60% of the worlds population.
So get rid of the visas and they contract the jobs to India/China, so the US looses the high paying jobs AND the US government looses the taxes those workers paid.
This is NOT just after WWII when the rest of the world was rebuilding and the USA made up over 60% of the worlds GDP. The US now make up about 20% of GDP, its capable of supplying its self without the US. China will soon be the worlds biggest economy, the EU will not be that far behind, give it another 10-20 years.
No one cares if you don't like what is being said, but it is the truth and America needs to adjust. Trump is the wrong person to do that, if anything he is going to accelerate the hurt.
Trump and his new cabinet will soon put an end to corporate greed as well.
It was political correctness that kept people from speaking out. H1B's are "not white" and thus it is racist to try and talk about it. The real issue though is that liberals play so much identity politics that attacking anyone but a white man for his or her identity became off-limits. Add in the fact that it benefits corporations and bam - who the hell wants to touch the issue? White males can't talk about it, corporations don't care, women are only marginally affects because, on average their jobs aren't being replaced. So you are left with maybe one black guy who was replaced that can talk about it.
With Trump's election it was decided that white men are allowed to have a voice again.
Not the senate.
Staple the fucking green card to the diploma and fuck all this H1B nonsense. If these students/academics/workers are good enough to be in the industry, then these are the people we *want* to become citizens.
Why not give them a green card? If you give them H1Bs they are still slaves and will still be paid less than American workers. This isn't an improvement, it's window dressing. It won't change anything except increase the competition/corruption to get into US schools.
Yeah, it's a rare convergence of greedy corporate assholes and open border hippies, working together to fuck over decent middle-class Americans.
And people wonder why Trump won.
Patriotism has never been a dirty word. Misuse of the words "patriot" and "patriotism", though, has stained the words to the point where they're immediately associated with something being covered up (see: USA PATRIOT Act).
Nationalism, though, has been a dirty word since the '40s when nationalism's big brother "Fascism" became a bit of an issue for people living in the countries immediately adjacent.
And the world's not insane. It's just that people disagree. It has always been that way and it will always be that way. If you want it to feel less "insane" spend some time understanding why people make the decisions they do. Once you understand, they're not so much "crazy" as they are in different circumstances.
I'll believe it when I see it. So far he's putting his billionaire friends first.
And please tell me what these American interest are that the Republicans cater to and Democrats ignore. In my adult life, it's been the left that has more routinely focused on domestic social issues.
Trump puts Trump first. That is why his family and his friends are getting government roles. My biggest worry is that the country sacrifices long term stability for short term growth.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
Most non-Western countries already support protectionism as a matter of policy. It's only in the West where everyone wrings their hands over acting in their own citizenry's best interests.
But then again, the West these days seems to be suffering from a severe outbreak of mass hysteria brought on by an overdose self-hatred and white guilt. Hopefully Trump can administer a healthy dose of wake-the-fuck-up to cure it.
No shit. Did you even listen to President Trump's speech today? He specifically said, "We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world - but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first."
Realistically, other nations will realize it's in their best interest to deal with America fairly, and that's exactly what they'll do.
India is irrelevant. It has been irrelevant for hundreds of years. For whatever reason, they just can't get their shit together. Call center, IT and software outsourcing has been going on there for 20 years now, and they still struggle to provide anything resembling passable service. It doesn't matter if they have over a billion people, especially when most of them live in abject poverty, to the point of defecating on the streets or in their own drinking water sources.
China is perhaps slightly more capable than India, but they have a whole host of internal problems that could easily derail their growth. There's some speculation that we're already seeing that happen, given the recent economic turmoil there. Demographically, they're much like Japan was 30 years ago. They could end up facing the same stagnation Japan has endured for a few decades now.
Besides, the recent success of China and Asia in general hasn't been because of domestic demand there. It has been thanks to American demand, and even then they've only seen success due to America's industry being severely hollowed out.
Europe is also suffering from some severe political, economic and demographic problems. It's questionable whether the EU will even be around by the time President Trump's first term is over. They've already lost one major member with the UK likely leaving soon. We're seeing anti-EU sentiment rising in many other EU nations, including major ones like France, Italy and even Germany. Even if economic problems don't tear the EU apart within a few years, the invasion they've been facing from millions of foreigners forcing their way into Europe from some of the worst nations on Earth will cause serious harm.
And there's nothing much to say about Africa, South America or the Middle East. Africa is totally irrelevant, South America is only slightly more relevant than Africa, and the Middle East's only relevance is due to their oil production (which is actually becoming irrelevant due to fracking and other sources of oil in places like Russia and the Arctic).
America is adjusting by putting its own interests first, for the first time in decades. That's the new reality. America is adjusting. Now the rest of the world will have to follow suit. If they don't, they'll go nowhere. More realistically, they'll be so focused with their own domestic or regional problems that they'll be begging to trade with America just to keep themselves afloat.
What a steaming pile of H.S.
Are you unaware, or just don't care that the Brexit side won the referendum?
Are you unaware, or just don't care that the Trump side won the election?
Are you unaware, or just don't care that the Dems vacated the White House?
Your narrative of victimization is distorted, boring and corrupt. You've been spewing your own B.S. for so long that you might actually believe it. Of course this is the first and best method for creating a convincing lie, huh?
Meanwhile the Trump side is weirdly complementary towards Putin, attempts to portray hacks against American targets as "good", and all attribution to the Russians as "impossible to prove, wrong and deceptive".
But you are the only true patriots and nationalists. Yeah. Right!
"Disagreeing" is one thing. Imprisoning your opposition, threatening them with violence, getting them fired from their jobs, banning them from speaking engagements, harassing them, calling them racists and sexists, etc.--well that's something else entirely. The left stopped merely "disagreeing" some time ago.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
You are aware that "Britain First" are a racist hate group with as good a reputation as the KKK? Many of their members have criminal records for violence towards anyone they consider foreign.
Look at pictures of them in the press, and look for the word WASP tattooed on necks and knuckles. It stands for White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, and it's the only kind of person they seem acceptable to live here.
So potentially someone finishing their undergrad could start off with a USD 100K salary, when combined with this other bill. Now 100K may not be much in the coasts and various STEM fields, but then who decides which degrees/fields get priority? From what I can tell, it's almost always been lottery the past several years, even those in the "advanced degree" fields.
Independently, both bills have good intent at addressing specific problems. Taken together, it introduces another one (or more, depending on how many lawyers can take advantage of it).
Just because schools in other countries are a joke, and my coworkers here at Microsoft prove that, it doesn't prove that they are stupid. A few of them are not stupid so this is racist.
The sad thing is that patriotism and nationalism have become dirty words on the left. It's even worse in Europe, though. Members of the "Britain First" movement are being arrested and persecuted pretty heavily. Shit, you can get into serious trouble there just for selling stuff with the British flag on it. Such is the insane world we live in.
I'm politically independent, and I watch this battle from up on the hills, and I see the Democrats' true colors shining. Look at the rioting and destruction in the US capital. I don't think it's sad at all- they've helped me see truth.
The surprise here, is that there's a shop selling UK tat, I mean memorabilia, with customers that, presumably, aren't tourists.
The Dumpster's speeches are null and void.
The wall won't happen and Hillary will not be prosecuted.
His actions will determine his fate. Personally, I give him 6 months before his approval rating drop below 30%(they are already the lowest of any president starting out) and 12 months before impeachment begins.
UK pushed a sizable sub-culture to the breaking point and they're finally lashing out. Seems maybe something went wrong a while back...
The H1B is not the worst program. What do you think of giving away 50000 green cards every year to foreigners who may have only completed a high school degree? It sounds like a hoax but it is true.
China's success has be though WORLD demand, not just US demand.
And if we go back 50 years, people from Germany, Japan, were the "worst" people.
Likewise in the 60's/70's Cars and electronics were "Jap Crap".
Times change.
Peak US was probably the 70's, in real terms since then US wages have been falling, their influence on the world has been falling.
The US is highly myopic.
For example Russia was the first
1. To put a satellite into orbit
2. To put an animal into orbit
3. To put a man into orbit
4. First Space walk
5. Put a woman into space
etc etc
Their Rocket engines are more powerful and more efficient than US ones, heck the US relies on the russians to put men into space
US media is also very inward looking, it downplays or completely ignores the successes of the rest of the world.
The US is the "world leader" in Military spending, Prisoners per head of population,Medical costs, but all the things it "prides" itself on it does not do that well
Free speech, Capitalism, Democracy, education, health outcomes, social mobility, freedom of the press, welfare, life expectancy, etc etc etc
You're not thinking like an outsourcer. What will happen if this bill passes into law is a "school" will open that only enrolls the "students" who happen to have worked for a particular off-shore company. The school will be a diploma mill. Look at who is the Secretary of Education pick.
Regardless of the politics of the POTUS. CONGRESS still makes the laws in this country. I know that it is popular on both sides of the aisle these days to credit the president with all sorts of lawmaking authority that HE DOES NOT HAVE.
Article I, Section 8 enumerates the powers delegated to the legislature. Financially, Congress has the power to tax, borrow, pay debt and provide for the common defense and the general welfare; to regulate commerce, bankruptcies, and coin money. To regulate internal affairs, it has the power to regulate and govern military forces and militias, suppress insurrections and repel invasions. It is to provide for naturalization, standards of weights and measures, post offices and roads, and patents; to directly govern the federal district and cessions of land by the states for forts and arsenals. Internationally, Congress has the power to define and punish piracies and offenses against the Law of Nations, to declare war and make rules of war. The final Necessary and Proper Clause, also known as the Elastic Clause, expressly confers incidental powers upon Congress without the Articles' requirement for express delegation for each and every power. Article I, Section 9 lists eight specific limits on congressional power.
Article Two describes the office of the President of the United States. The President is head of the executive branch of the federal government, as well as the nation's head of state and head of government.
Article Two describes the office, qualifications and duties of the President of the United States and the Vice President. It is modified by the 12th Amendment which tacitly acknowledges political parties, and the 25th Amendment relating to office succession. The president is to receive only one compensation from the federal government. The inaugural oath is specified to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.
The president is the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces and state militias when they are mobilized. He or she makes treaties with the advice and consent of a two-thirds quorum of the Senate. To administer the federal government, the president commissions all the offices of the federal government as Congress directs; he or she may require the opinions of its principal officers and make "recess appointments" for vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate. The president is to see that the laws are faithfully executed, though he or she may grant reprieves and pardons except regarding Congressional impeachment of himself or other federal officers. The president reports to Congress on the State of the Union, and by the Recommendation Clause, recommends "necessary and expedient" national measures. The president may convene and adjourn Congress under special circumstances.
Only SIkh's wear turbans. Is that racist? How many Sikh's find intermarriage acceptable?
So the big problem I see with H1B's is they're tied to one company and get kicked out if they get fired. (Which makes them not want to look for another job.) So change things so that after a very short time period, say 3-6 months, they're an immigrant like anybody else and can stay for 5-10 years. I want them to start looking for a new job if the company that hired them is screwing them over. Oh and if we see you losing all your H1B's to other companies I would want the feds to not give you more of them. (Because it would be a clear indication you're fucking everybody over and don't deserve more.)
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
You mean like how Obama doubled the national debt in 8 years? If that's not trading long term stability for short term growth, I don't know what is.
For 2017, there are regular 65,000 H1-Bs, plus 20,000 reserved for graduating students only. If graduating students are given preference for those 65,000, they'll maybe 50,000 of them. That leaves only 15K for imported workers, instead of 65K.
So yeah, it ends up meaning you have to get a degree in the US in order to have a reasonable chance of getting an H1-B.
Further reforms, like doubling the minimum H1-Bb salary, would help ensure those 15K imported workers are people you really can't find in the US, like Linus Torvalds or Tim Berners-Lee.
Raising the minimum H1-B salary from $60K to $150K would mean we could still bring in people like like Linus Torvalds or Tim Berners-Lee, who truly can't be found in the US. People who are truly special. A $150K minimum would eliminate the issue ofb replacing US workers with cheaper imports.
Yes, this is encouraging. But how will it be enforced?
The only way to enforce something like this is via regulation and guess what the prevailing attitude is toward regulation.
This will get passed. It'll become "law." Our glorious politicians will take a bow and tell us this is proof they actually care about the struggling middle class and poor. And all the companies that have been abusing H1B's will keep abusing them.
I'm not holding my breath.
It's all talk and no action though. They don't "replace" workers after all, they fire them and hire contractors instead. Now, whoever the contract company hires... well, that's now a different job, hence... it's ok.
Well, Hillary was regularly making $125K speeches on the job / clock to big bankers while also taking Saudi money for her "charity" pay to play scheme, and you guys wonder why you got your teeth kicked in.
The USA is already one of the most protectionist countries.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-us-is-the-most-protectionist-nation-2015-9?r=US&IR=T
It's "so the US loses" not "so the US looses"...just one 'o'. Otherwise, you're way the hell off. Asia is 'protectionist' as hell. They make 60% of the world population but that's not translating to 60% of the market of US products. The Chinese are turning inward and are using their own stuff (copied from us). Have you even seen their new fighter jet...looks so much like our F-35. Yeah, we should open up some more to Asia with TPP, etc. Screw all that.
wow. the fox news astroturfers are out in force.
first of all - interesting isn't it how the republican controlled congress couldn't seem to do something about this until Trump was elected. what a coincidence.
what the fuck is this about american interests coming first ? h1-b visas are about corporate interests coming first. h1-bs were about corporate interests overwriting american worker interests. how you manage to turn that into "the leftists hate america" is both sad and depressing, and then got uprated for that shit.
but your real gem is the way that you imply "leftists" somehow stopped h1-b reform because it wasn't PC. what a load of crap.
this is all about corporate power. Trump had nothing to do with this. The republicans are running with this now to try to make him look good. he's too fucking self-absorbed to even understand h1-b's, much less the tech industry.
last but not least, do you really think this is the bill will get passed as is ? you can bet that on page 105 of the 300 page bill there's going to be some sort of massive corporate give-away to help then get around these provisions everybody is so happy about.
Absolute statements are never true
The problem is not that a firm "hire H1B to replace their worker", but that the firm outsource a certain part of its IT; which is a normal process, then that outsourced outfit ask the old firm worker to train their replacement. You will not that the firm do NOT hire replacement : they have a contract with an outsourcing outfit. As for having the foreign grads preferably having a diploma in an US university... How does that help the folk which lost their job ? How does that help if they can show they "tried" and found nobody ? How does that help rising salary ? They are still hiring the weakest economical folk and can press for a very low salary. I view that as a complete and utter failure. And the biggest failure is prosecution : there is nothing really foreseen to enforce and prosecute en mass those who break the aforementioned. They certainly blinded quite a few people seeing the comment here. The sad reality is that it will change nada.
This is not a question of disagreement. It's a question of utter dishonesty on your part.
Members of the "Britain First" movement are being arrested and persecuted
He was arrested for breaching his bail conditions. that's not persecution by any measure.
Shit, you can get into serious trouble there just for selling stuff with the British flag on it
Saying "serious trouble" strongly implies trouble with the authorities. No such thing happened. A few people let him know their dumbass opinions in person and on face book. OH NOES EVERY RIGHTWING NUTJOB PANIC!!
SJW n. One who posts facts.
And here we go again. If you check the US history, you will see that US "greatness" is strongly correlated with immigration:
- Most of the great scientist in US were and still are immigrants. So many running away from war, persecution, ... How Many went to US because its openness? Many went there because there are the best scientist from all around the world. Read Immigrant Scientists - Invaluable to the United States.
- Most of your great companies were founded by immigrant or their children
Close your frontier. US will never be great again. US worker first, let me laugh. It was never about work but about wealth. And it does not matter if the wealth comes from immigrants.
US was great for its values (openness, freedom, ...) but that seems now to be the past.
Indeed, it was the opposite - racism towards Americans and right wing corporate greed/minimal regulation.
Unfortunately you just elected the poster child for corporate greed, minimal regulation and racism. Oops.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Describing something or someone as racist or sexist is an entirely legitimate criticism if true. Complaining that people are calling out your racism/sexism is just an attempt to silence critics and an attempt to use social pressure to stifle free speech.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Patriotism has become the first recourse of the scoundrel. It's the kind of anti-politically-correct. Anything politically correct is automatically bad, anything patriotic is automatically good. It's a cheap bit of rhetoric, a bogus argument.
Real patriots, like Edward Snowden, are denounced and punished. Only faux patriotism is allowed.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Ah yes, how very typical for neonazi crybabies bemoaning themselves as victims even though they are the ones who get violent.
https://www.theguardian.com/co...
http://www.zeit.de/politik/deu...
Fuck you and your patron saint Breivik.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
It is pretty funny how less than 2 months after the election, the Clinton Foundation is shutting its doors.... nah there was no pay to play going on there.
Everything above is my opinion....YMMV
Yes, but being called racist just because you were born a white male just isn't working anymore.
Everything above is my opinion....YMMV
That is history, now we get the dregs looking for a free ride.
Everything above is my opinion....YMMV
I was born a white male and no-one has ever accused me of being racist, except for some idiots on the alt-right who said I hated white males (i.e. myself). I just mocked them, rather than getting all upset and demanding a safe space away from the bad words.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Well, Trump is a "baby Christian" now according to the Prosperity Evangelicals. This baby Christian has decided that America no longer needs to be accommodating to refugees. Jesus said give up all you have an follow him. So we'll be seeing Trump dump his dough any moment now and offer Trump Tower to refugees...Muslim refugees, we'll be wanting to know he is sincere.
Yeah, two world wars would tend to give patriotism and nationalism a dirty name. Let's bring them back and see if they are still a threat.
I don't know your nationality, but I'm British and here is my view on it: For a long time British people have been very wary of overt nationalism for a number of reasons that have left a mark on our subconscious. Our view of WWII plays into it. Our view of America and overt patriotism too plays into it, somewhere between thinking it crass and feeling that we can't compete so won't bother. Then there's the way the nation is split up into countries, which can make that feeling of identity a little vague.
Patriotism - it's just not a word that's in common use in the same way. It evokes in me a sense of history, or the feeling that the context is American. It's not a dirty word, just not one we use.
"Britain First" were just another bunch of thugs, of which we get a roundabout of many. The guy selling stuff with the British flag on it didn't get into any trouble at all. Some people off the street commented on the name of his shop for reasons connected with the above. You're allowed to do that in Britain, comment on things. I mean he called it "Really British". That's not a very British thing to do is it.
Do you know who makes the budgets? Do you know who failed to create a balanced budget for Obama's term? Do you know anything about civics?
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
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H1Bs were introduced as part of WTO negotiations. When India agreed to let US sell Caterpillar backhoes and Pepsico Sugar water in India , US agreed to let India sell software services in the US and as the work permit process in the US is messed up and the L1 is very restrictive, H1s were introduced. The conflation of H1B (a free trade visa) with immigration is unfortunate and happened because of a quota which put an artificial limit on number of people coming to US to provide short term software services. Trump can put conditions which prevent Indian software companies from selling software services in US. India will probably retaliate with restrictions on US companies selling into India. If I was a Boeing, Caterpillar, GE, Coca Cola , Apple or Microsoft shareholder I would not be very happy. If I was a worker at these companies' plants I would be very worried about layoffs.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Have you missed noticing the many news articles about India outright refusing to let Apple sell its product in their country?
That is the most extreme "restriction" possible.
I'm laughing that you would quote a Trump speech and think it hold any weight by the time you hit the second double-quote.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Patriotism has never been a dirty word. Misuse of the words "patriot" and "patriotism", though, has stained the words to the point where they're immediately associated with something being covered up (see: USA PATRIOT Act).
Nationalism, though, has been a dirty word since the '40s when nationalism's big brother "Fascism" became a bit of an issue for people living in the countries immediately adjacent.
This. Having pride in your country because its something to be proud of is patriotism, a patriot strives to improve his country.
Demanding your country is recognised as superior without merit is nationalism. A nationalist seeks to belittle other countries to make his own look better.
A patriot does not mind people criticising their country, a Nationalist or Jingoist does not permit any questions about his beliefs.
I just got back from Holland. contrary to popular American views is actually a nation of people who are very proud to be Dutch, I think the confusion comes in the way the Dutch express their patriotism. Everywhere I went I was asked "You are from England, how are you enjoying Holland". Hell, even the Dutch customs officer asked me how my trip was on the way out of Schipol. The Dutch take great pride in their hospitality and friendliness. Because of this, they are actually quite open to criticism, seeing it as a means of improvement (or at the worst, know when a critisim is not valid and should be ignored).
Even though I'm technically an Australian, I really dont mind being called English (I live there now). It happens all the time in the US, I consistently am asked "What part of England are you from" (which should be "which" part) and respond with "I'm from this small island a bit south of England called Australia". Well I guess I cant use that one any more. Sorry for the Grandpa Simpson story, and yes I did have an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time.
So it's a shame that I have to use my own country as an example of nationalism, particularly as nationalism pretending to be patriotism. Traditionally, for an Australian to be proud of Australia, we were proud of its accomplishments, accomplishments that often outshone larger nations. It was always an easy going pride, the idea was that you didn't have to wave a flag or recite a poem to be a proud Australian. The Australian way used to be giving people a fair go, being kind and generous to your friends. Sure it was always cliquey but nowhere near the level of outright xenophobia you see today. The people in Australia who label themselves "patriots" are nothing but xenophobic ultra-nationalists who have adopted ironically un-Australian sayings like "Fuck off, we're full", make barely coherent arguments about "boat people" who are allegedly "destroying the Australian way of life" and "taking jobs from Hard working Australians" (lets ignore that the speaker has probably been on the dole for the last 4 years).
Sure I know plenty of people who like Australia, who would like to express their pride, but are too scared of being associated with the likes of Reclaim Australia because... because to be frankly Australian about it, they aren't racists fuckwits like One Nation and Reclaim Australia.
I see the same thing here now I've lived in England for a while. There's lots to celebrate about English culture (not the food, but I digress) however nationalists like the EDL (English Defence Leauge) make it hard for ordinary English to do this because they deliberately try to weld being a proud Englishmen to a xenophobic ideology... And I think that's a bloody shame.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Wright State University was caught using university students to perpetuate H1-b fraud. They effectively were saying that the training that students were doing was worthless.
This bill would only cement that idea.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Visa agreements are reciprocal. If we want in-demand Americans to have global mobility (I certainly do), then we must allow foreigners of the same sort with the same qualifications to enter. If we're really planning to shut this down, I need to get the fuck out fast because I worked hard for my global mobility and do not want to be trapped here.
Is this a good idea for the country, as opposed to me personally? Let us review why we have an H1B program at all. It's not "because we had one yesterday, and this is a reasonable compromise." We now have a monkey regent and don't need to compromise.
The H1B drink-the-kool-aid pitch is that it should apply to primadonnas of such high skill their compensation is inelastic, like oil prices. With the program, their pay stabilizes on the low end of the crazy-shifting band they'd get paid without the program, but the boom-bust cycle for which for example aerospace is notorious, is pushed discriminately to the foreigners: win-win because they are already accepting a risk. We get many side benefits: while lowered it's not quite as much so as supply and demand would predict because the stranglehold on national GDP of not having enough of these brilliant people is loosened, and we're able to get positive feedback loop from our high quality of life via the "brain drain," collecting them here and becoming a center of excellent work, which is a position we could catastrophically lose to other high-quality-of-life countries with H1B programs if we didn't do it. (To my view, this is already happening somewhat in science.)
This is working well for 'muricah in entertainment (O1 visa?) and in hard sciences, but less well when the people are not really primadonnas or exceptional, but just working in an industry that's on a healthy rise, like the support roles beneath true computer programming, "IT" and such. The stereotypical abuse is replacing whole offices with cheaper Indians.
Shifting from experienced people to new grads is the absolute last thing you want to do to solve this dialectic. Yes, maybe you will get immigrants who "feel" more American because they were here for four years, but we've never needed that, and nobody in these industries are asking for that. Only crazy perma-unemployed white-power wing nuts who want militarized police to defend their Wal Mart from ter'rism ask for such stuff. That's the only benefit. In exchange you dump workers into the low end, not the primadonna end, where they actually drive down fairly negotiated wages. This is obvious: they are recent grads, and they are not even the top recent grads but anyone who paid up with four years of tuition. If you've done college recruiting you realize there are 30 street performers for every true Clown.
To function as promised by the kool aid, H1B needs to be for special snowflake primadonnas who are approximately but not quite by definition not recent grads.
This is a terrible trade of "useful consequence" for "harmful consequence". It's very worker hostile.
It's also bad bargaining:
- the right to go to college in a foreign country then get a work permit there is not something I need. US colleges are excellent. This would be a good thing for a resource-rich country with bad colleges to do. For example India or Brazil could make this reciprocal deal with China or Russia.
- it's something we don't have to trade to get. For example, Australia gives this right and uses it to fund their college system by charging foreigners huge "tuition" (similarly huge to US private/foreign tuition), which is really tuition + visa-bribe money. Australians grant the right even though they don't get it reciprocally because they want the money. It's bad bargaining on our part to trade for something we don't want and can get anyway.
- Meanwhile, Europeans offer cheap tuition even to foreigners but refuse to give tuition-bribe-influenced visa preference: prove yourself exceptional, go to grad school, and go through the regular H1B-equivalent
for workers who will be paid less then the corporations will find it.
People have been speaking out plenty all the while. Corporations were making more money by ignoring their concerns. Political Correctness is a non-sequitor in this conversation.
Use H1B preference to hire Russian hackers!!! Other issue with H1B program is that once it becomes too burdensome for employers, they will outsource jobs and neither they hire H1B nor local candidate.
> H-1b holders at 1 million+
The annual cap on H1-Bs is 65,000 and they are valid for six years max. If everyone with an H1-B stays the full six years, that would be 360,000 total.
I was walking while typing. 390K of course.
even though they are the ones who get violent
You know, I'm beginning to think that the left's willful ignorance of all the terrorist attacks and immigrant violence going on in Europe is a form of mental illness. I really think that many of you do truly believe that all the violence is coming from right-wing white people. Do you even remember the recent spate of terrorist attacks in France, or have you purged them from your memory because they don't fit your narrative? In your mind, have you cherry-picked a few minor instances of violence AGAINST immigrants to retain in your memory, while deliberately forgetting hundreds of incidents of violence BY immigrants?
Someone really should do a paper on White Guilt, European self-hatred and the capacity for mass self-delusion in the modern European psyche.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Every country and culture has a nasty history of some kind. That doesn't mean they just give up and commit cultural/national suicide over it. Europeans have long been a cynical lot. But the level of self-hatred and white guilt that we're seeing today has almost become a form of mass mental illness. Europe is rapidly becoming dysfunctional to the point where, when the invaders come (and they always do eventually), most will just throw open the gates and beg to be destroyed.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
This is just to placate the populist masses. It has no teeth unless it is enforced and, just like the existing laws that prohibit the current abuses, no one is going to enforce it.
Expect the layoffs and training of your Indian replacements.
Interesting
Americans can compete if they're willing to. It is pathetic that we feel the need to implement boarder controls. If the IT field doesn't pay out it's time to re-train or move on. The problem with H1B visas as they stand is they lock foreign workers into low pay by tying employees to employers and should one wish to switch jobs they can't without going back to their home country. This is wrong and depresses wages for those who live here. Instead we should open the boarder and let immigrants come freely. That may mean depressed wages too- in some cases. However it'll also open us to the reality that sometimes you need to adapt. We live in this entitled society and it's doing us no favours. Instead what the government should be doing is making it easy to start up new businesses. We should have more competition in markets. What we have is almost no competition in many markets because of high artificial and arbitrary regulatory barriers to entry.