I got fed up with Kubuntu's crashiness during the KDE 4.2 cycle, and jumped ship to Arch. I was amazed - amazed - at the difference in speed and stability. For instance, Nepomuk, which I never once got working on Kubuntu, Just Worked (tm) on Arch, no setup required. KOffice stopped randomly exploding on me, the Plasma desktop was ten times as stable, instantly. And faster! My god, faster!
There was a while early on when the YASP-Scripted plasmoid would crash the desktop under a particular condition, but that wasn't a KDE issue, and the plasmoid developer cleared that up pretty quick. Also, when I upgraded to 4.4 last week my desktop crashed, as a result of the KDE team mainlining one of the plasmoids that I had previously had to manually install (dueling configs made baby Jesus cry). Removing my copy of the plasmoid solved the problem. So there's two crashes in my memory, both directly related to third-party code. Other than that, zero. None. Nada. No crashy. (Full disclosure: I've got to say that the new Nepomuk backend in 4.4 is a hellish resource hog and will intermittently hang the desktop if you let it run wild. That is the only complaint I have at this time.)
It's important to note here that Arch is pretty well-known for putting out the most vanilla packages possible. The KDE packages are pretty much the upstream code wrapped up in a tarball and that's it. So yes, the distro makes the difference.
Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs? Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?
You're right. You'd never catch reputable software distributors carrying on with such shenanigans. Like Adobe Flash, Apple iPods, Microsoft Excel, or Mozilla Firefox. I mean, where do these KDE guys get off?
(Please tag as flamebait since./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.)
1. His children didn't make that money. He did, by selling state secrets.
2. We do it all the time. Someone facing drug charges can have their assets stripped merely on suspicion. Evidence is not required, nor is a guilty verdict.
3. On a more meta level, any time you incarcerate someone with children, you are punishing the child for the sins of the father.
One of the things holding back our progress is the stubborn insistence on sending men to do a machine's job
Um. We're actually not sending men anywhere. That's the problem.
We're are so far less advanced now than we could be, if only we'd spent the money doing useful things instead.
Ah yes, like sending a robot to Mars to get stuck in the fucking sand. Not to discount the great work that NASA has done with the Mars rovers, but they've spent a year trying to get Spirit out of about six inches of sand. A man and perhaps a small shovel would have done the job in half an hour.
"-1 Flamebait" me all you want. If someone is at the store and sees two coffee pots and the first one is compatible with all the coffee and coffee grinders and replacement carafes in the world, and the second one is some gimmicky proprietary "coffee pod" thing, and that person buys the second one, that person is a sucker.
"Linux," however you're using that term, doesn't really have a thing to do with what Adobe Inc. chooses to do or not do. Send them a fucking letter about it if it burns your ass so very much.
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Anyone who says anything about "most computer users" is a fucking wank who doesn't know shit about shit. There is no such animal.
You clearly do not speak from experience. The built-in apps cover all the basics (just like any standard Windows install).
Excuse me?
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a Linux user
What distro are you using and how are they mangling shit? I had a lot of Kontact crashes back in 4.0 and 4.1, but literally zero since.
Shit, I don't even know. I gave up on it with 4.2 and started using wicd, and I haven't bothered to look since.
I got fed up with Kubuntu's crashiness during the KDE 4.2 cycle, and jumped ship to Arch. I was amazed - amazed - at the difference in speed and stability. For instance, Nepomuk, which I never once got working on Kubuntu, Just Worked (tm) on Arch, no setup required. KOffice stopped randomly exploding on me, the Plasma desktop was ten times as stable, instantly. And faster! My god, faster!
There was a while early on when the YASP-Scripted plasmoid would crash the desktop under a particular condition, but that wasn't a KDE issue, and the plasmoid developer cleared that up pretty quick. Also, when I upgraded to 4.4 last week my desktop crashed, as a result of the KDE team mainlining one of the plasmoids that I had previously had to manually install (dueling configs made baby Jesus cry). Removing my copy of the plasmoid solved the problem. So there's two crashes in my memory, both directly related to third-party code. Other than that, zero. None. Nada. No crashy. (Full disclosure: I've got to say that the new Nepomuk backend in 4.4 is a hellish resource hog and will intermittently hang the desktop if you let it run wild. That is the only complaint I have at this time.)
It's important to note here that Arch is pretty well-known for putting out the most vanilla packages possible. The KDE packages are pretty much the upstream code wrapped up in a tarball and that's it. So yes, the distro makes the difference.
Oh yeah? Well this amp goes to 11!
That's all loverly for you. If you just want a play button and a progress bar, that's great. Use Juk and STFU.
Well then, have you considered the possibility that your opinion may be wrong?
I find the defaults rather spartan, really. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs? Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?
You're right. You'd never catch reputable software distributors carrying on with such shenanigans. Like Adobe Flash, Apple iPods, Microsoft Excel, or Mozilla Firefox. I mean, where do these KDE guys get off?
(Please tag as flamebait since ./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.)
Nah, I'll see it and raise.
Arch. I got sick of beating myself up with Kubuntu about 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back.
My eyes are above my nose, mot in my chin.
But obviously your head is in your ass. You could change the panel positions in 4.1, IIRC.
1. His children didn't make that money. He did, by selling state secrets.
2. We do it all the time. Someone facing drug charges can have their assets stripped merely on suspicion. Evidence is not required, nor is a guilty verdict.
3. On a more meta level, any time you incarcerate someone with children, you are punishing the child for the sins of the father.
Ah, I mis-parsed your original statement completely. My apologies.
"Google Docs Replaces OpenOffice in Ubuntu Netbook Edition." The whole discussion is about proprietary software replacing a free solution.
I already pay about $25,000 a year in taxes. My living expenses are only $10,000.
I'm sorry, but I've got to call bullshit.
One of the things holding back our progress is the stubborn insistence on sending men to do a machine's job
Um. We're actually not sending men anywhere. That's the problem.
We're are so far less advanced now than we could be, if only we'd spent the money doing useful things instead.
Ah yes, like sending a robot to Mars to get stuck in the fucking sand. Not to discount the great work that NASA has done with the Mars rovers, but they've spent a year trying to get Spirit out of about six inches of sand. A man and perhaps a small shovel would have done the job in half an hour.
Your caps lock is stuck.
Oil prices hit record highs after the Iraq invasion. Everyone remembers $4 a gallon at the pump in '08.
"Opened up the flow of oil?" We most certainly did not.
"-1 Flamebait" me all you want. If someone is at the store and sees two coffee pots and the first one is compatible with all the coffee and coffee grinders and replacement carafes in the world, and the second one is some gimmicky proprietary "coffee pod" thing, and that person buys the second one, that person is a sucker.
You actually bought one of those? You fucking idiot.
An appliance such as a coffee maker isn't designed to be hacked into.
Don't be such a naysayer.
Linux can't even play Flash video smoothly
"Linux," however you're using that term, doesn't really have a thing to do with what Adobe Inc. chooses to do or not do. Send them a fucking letter about it if it burns your ass so very much.
or adopt a standard sound API that works
Bullshit. It's called ALSA.
solutions there have benefited mankind on Earth in a myriad of ways
Not to be an asshole, but I think it's "myriad ways."
Point taken.