Yes, of course, as did IE (and MS Office/Works, at first). MSFT is willing to eat that if it gives them a foot in the door.
Frankly, I don't see Xbox playing out quite like that, though. Sony and Nintendo are two rather well-entrenched brands, they're not going to be pushed out without a fight (see Sony's recent PS3 multiplayer announcement). MSFT had better be prepared to post a loss on the Xbox for years if that's their long-term plan.
Oh, come on! Don't give the guy a -1, give him an answer!
For instance, I have a friend who is a musical savant. (I am not making this up.) If you play a song for him, any song, 2-3 times, he can sing every word in perfect pitch, and play all the instrumental parts. Again let me stress that this is a no-bullshit story, I am making none of this up. The guy's amazing to watch.
You obviously either have no idea what you're talking about, or you have an entirely different definition than me of what a healthy economy looks like. Are you aware that we're talking about Africa here? The poorest continent on Earth? That Africa?
but most of us consider the good guys to be the volunteers
Are we talking about the same people here? Firefox - Mozilla - Netscape - AOL - TimeWarner? Those volunteers?
Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox and love it, because it works. And I am the first to say that since the cold-blooded murder of Netscape, the Mozilla Foundation has overcome some pretty daunting odds to accomplish all that they have. But don't get all fucking sanctimonious over it, man.
That's ridiculous. You're saying that to compete with Microsoft, applications must look and act exactly like their Windows counterparts. Several thousand Apple stockholders would beg to differ.
Now lets say that GIMP is every bit as good as Photoshop, and has all the same features (which I don't believe is true, but what the hell, just for arguments sake lets pretend).
I agree. Not trying to say it is.
And at the end of all that she would gained what, exactly? All that extra effort and learning, to be able to do her job as well as she was already doing it, and no obvious advantage.
I disagree. Expanding one's skillset is always an advantage.
And if you're going to start talking about cost savings, remember that someone has to support all this software, and you would have to factor in all those costs as well.
The newest professional version of Photoshop is selling on the Adobe website for $650. Six-five-oh. That buys a lot of support.
I certainly do not think Linux is ready to wipe MS off the desktop.
Nor do I, nor do I think it necessarily has to. I think it's ready to compete, and the barriers that are still there are mostly (but not entirely) marketing-related.
I point out that there is a third, crucially important barrier
No you don't. You point out that after three years (or five, or two, depending on what project we're discussing), OpenOffice (to take a random example) is only, what, 80% as good as MS Office, which MSFT hasn't been able to perfect given a nearly infinite amount of money, time, manpower, and undisclosed OS-linking gimmickry. I'm not even going to discuss Firefox v. IE, because that would lower this whole dialogue to the point of absurdity.
Whatever barrier you're pointing at, I don't see it.
Oh, what a bunch of flamebait and bullshit. "(3 year old open source app) isn't quite as good as (this other thing that MSFT has had 15 goddamn years to develop)! Open source is DOOOOOOMED!
Difference being, the Bush administration is breaking established American law by even making the request. In China, that is the law, and has been since time immemorial. You and I are not required to like that, but the situation exists with or without your acknowledgement.
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It's alwasy nice to ready about the news a few days late.
No. It is not. I went to the store: the store is where I went. I went too the store, or, if you will, I went, too, the store: I went, and the store went also.
And who gives a shit about them? How many of the "majority of users" to which you refer have ever or will ever install any operating system in their lifetime? You make a product for your user base, and the "user base" for OS installation software tends to be a little more savvy than the average luser.
Quite so. I set up a "shared" partition (not shared between machines, but shared data between Linux and Windows), and tried to move My Documents into it. Can't be done. I mean, come on. How fucking arbitrary is that? Sure, you can make a new folder and move your documents in there and tell your five thousand programs to save to a new default location, but I don't really want to do that, I think it's a needless pain in the ass.
You have no data regarding where those without cars shop. You have no data regarding whether people get rides from friends of different or sinmilar socioeconomic standing. You offered nothing but speculation, anecdotes.
Neither do you, you just pulled some uncorroborated nonsense out of your anus. I am singularly unimpressed by your lack of logic. If you want to ride off into the sunset on some neoconservative "poor people don't really matter" kick, at least come up with something marginally convincing.
Yes, poor people shop at Wal-Mart. I don't know what's so difficult to grasp here, that's their demographic, for God's sake.
Customer focused Mom and Pop shops are not being killed off by WalMart, they are being killed off by *consumers* that choose to shop at WalMart.
This is not true, and the whole analogy you're trying to paint with it isn't true either. This may come as a shock, feel free to sit down before going on to the next paragraph.
Those people who do "choose" to shop at Wal-Mart (or $BIG-BOX, for that matter) make that choice because its what they can afford financially. I mean, who do you know that's financially secure and chooses to shop at Wal-Mart? Likewise, I can't afford to pay an extra $200 at an indie computer shop for a system that's made to run anything but Windows. I'd love to. I just can't do it.
So if I'm doing this to myself, then I guess I'm sorry for not having the money. I'll try to do better next time, honest.
First of all, my understanding is that you can ALWAYS return the lisence to microsoft and get your money back once you have purchased a computer with it on there.
Really? Can you provide a link to back this up? I've never heard this before, and you've piqued my curiousity.
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Oh, the weapons of mass des...wait a minute...
Do you think Hezbollah or Hammas gives 100% accurate information
No.
and that the U.S. is just a lie machine seeking to destroy everyone's freedom?
Pretty much, but don't take my word for it. The evidence mostly speaks for itself.
Tell me - would you rather have the Bush administration in power or the Ayatollah?
If that's what they want over there, I'll go with the Ayatollah. Public opinion seems pretty clear.
Try Civ4. It's not just Civ3 with a facelift. You won't be disappointed.
The 3 PC games I bought in 2005:
Civ4 - Full old-school box
Pirates! - Full old-school box
Neverwinter Nights Platinum - Full old-school box
What are these games in DVD cases that you speak of?
Yes, of course, as did IE (and MS Office/Works, at first). MSFT is willing to eat that if it gives them a foot in the door.
Frankly, I don't see Xbox playing out quite like that, though. Sony and Nintendo are two rather well-entrenched brands, they're not going to be pushed out without a fight (see Sony's recent PS3 multiplayer announcement). MSFT had better be prepared to post a loss on the Xbox for years if that's their long-term plan.
Oh, come on! Don't give the guy a -1, give him an answer!
For instance, I have a friend who is a musical savant. (I am not making this up.) If you play a song for him, any song, 2-3 times, he can sing every word in perfect pitch, and play all the instrumental parts. Again let me stress that this is a no-bullshit story, I am making none of this up. The guy's amazing to watch.
Is that a copy?
You obviously either have no idea what you're talking about, or you have an entirely different definition than me of what a healthy economy looks like. Are you aware that we're talking about Africa here? The poorest continent on Earth? That Africa?
but most of us consider the good guys to be the volunteers
Are we talking about the same people here? Firefox - Mozilla - Netscape - AOL - TimeWarner? Those volunteers?
Don't get me wrong, I use Firefox and love it, because it works. And I am the first to say that since the cold-blooded murder of Netscape, the Mozilla Foundation has overcome some pretty daunting odds to accomplish all that they have. But don't get all fucking sanctimonious over it, man.
That's ridiculous. You're saying that to compete with Microsoft, applications must look and act exactly like their Windows counterparts. Several thousand Apple stockholders would beg to differ.
Now lets say that GIMP is every bit as good as Photoshop, and has all the same features (which I don't believe is true, but what the hell, just for arguments sake lets pretend).
I agree. Not trying to say it is.
And at the end of all that she would gained what, exactly? All that extra effort and learning, to be able to do her job as well as she was already doing it, and no obvious advantage.
I disagree. Expanding one's skillset is always an advantage.
And if you're going to start talking about cost savings, remember that someone has to support all this software, and you would have to factor in all those costs as well.
The newest professional version of Photoshop is selling on the Adobe website for $650. Six-five-oh. That buys a lot of support.
I certainly do not think Linux is ready to wipe MS off the desktop.
Nor do I, nor do I think it necessarily has to. I think it's ready to compete, and the barriers that are still there are mostly (but not entirely) marketing-related.
I point out that there is a third, crucially important barrier
No you don't. You point out that after three years (or five, or two, depending on what project we're discussing), OpenOffice (to take a random example) is only, what, 80% as good as MS Office, which MSFT hasn't been able to perfect given a nearly infinite amount of money, time, manpower, and undisclosed OS-linking gimmickry. I'm not even going to discuss Firefox v. IE, because that would lower this whole dialogue to the point of absurdity.
Whatever barrier you're pointing at, I don't see it.
Oh, what a bunch of flamebait and bullshit. "(3 year old open source app) isn't quite as good as (this other thing that MSFT has had 15 goddamn years to develop)! Open source is DOOOOOOMED!
Difference being, the Bush administration is breaking established American law by even making the request. In China, that is the law, and has been since time immemorial. You and I are not required to like that, but the situation exists with or without your acknowledgement.
It's alwasy nice to ready about the news a few days late.
It's also nice to usey the previewy button. Y.
I went too the store.
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I went to the store.
No. It is not. I went to the store: the store is where I went. I went too the store, or, if you will, I went, too, the store: I went, and the store went also.
Hey, I like that a lot! A lot of people have suggested modding submissions, but I see that as a system waiting to be abused. But this is gold, man!
Okay, that's pretty good stuff. Now, how does that system (which I like, don't get me wrong) guard against one person with twenty usernames?
Yeah, like gdesklets, or Abiword, or...oh, you said to Linux! Sorry for the confusion.
I installed Ubuntu, my wireless card doesn't connect me to the internet
Same here when I installed 5.10. Going into "network settings" and clicking Enable was too complex for ya, huh?
Someone who has never used a computer would see a hafl dozen options they have no clue about.
And then they'd hit "enter," and the default would work perfectly.
And who gives a shit about them? How many of the "majority of users" to which you refer have ever or will ever install any operating system in their lifetime? You make a product for your user base, and the "user base" for OS installation software tends to be a little more savvy than the average luser.
Quite so. I set up a "shared" partition (not shared between machines, but shared data between Linux and Windows), and tried to move My Documents into it. Can't be done. I mean, come on. How fucking arbitrary is that? Sure, you can make a new folder and move your documents in there and tell your five thousand programs to save to a new default location, but I don't really want to do that, I think it's a needless pain in the ass.
You have no data regarding where those without cars shop. You have no data regarding whether people get rides from friends of different or sinmilar socioeconomic standing. You offered nothing but speculation, anecdotes.
Neither do you, you just pulled some uncorroborated nonsense out of your anus. I am singularly unimpressed by your lack of logic. If you want to ride off into the sunset on some neoconservative "poor people don't really matter" kick, at least come up with something marginally convincing.
Yes, poor people shop at Wal-Mart. I don't know what's so difficult to grasp here, that's their demographic, for God's sake.
Customer focused Mom and Pop shops are not being killed off by WalMart, they are being killed off by *consumers* that choose to shop at WalMart.
This is not true, and the whole analogy you're trying to paint with it isn't true either. This may come as a shock, feel free to sit down before going on to the next paragraph.
Those people who do "choose" to shop at Wal-Mart (or $BIG-BOX, for that matter) make that choice because its what they can afford financially. I mean, who do you know that's financially secure and chooses to shop at Wal-Mart? Likewise, I can't afford to pay an extra $200 at an indie computer shop for a system that's made to run anything but Windows. I'd love to. I just can't do it.
So if I'm doing this to myself, then I guess I'm sorry for not having the money. I'll try to do better next time, honest.
First of all, my understanding is that you can ALWAYS return the lisence to microsoft and get your money back once you have purchased a computer with it on there.
Really? Can you provide a link to back this up? I've never heard this before, and you've piqued my curiousity.