An "Old Woman" once used this form of pest control and we all know where it got her...
There was an old woman who swallowed a cow, I don't know how she swallowed a cow! She swallowed the cow to catch the goat, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, She swallowed the dog to catch the cat, She swallowed the cat to catch the bird, She swallowed the bird to catch the spider, That wriggled and jiggled and tickled inside her, She swallowed the spider to catch the fly, I don't know why she swallowed the fly, Perhaps she'll die.
I'm not actually sure the NT Kernel is that bad. After all it was written by a bunch of VMS developers. I'd have thought that it's a lot of the stuff that sits above the kernel that is a mess. Probably some of these messy complex parts of windows are difficult to convert from Win32 to.NET.
If that is the case then ditching the kernel and moving the mess to run on Mach wouldn't help them much.
Even given that, we're by no means devoid of our own culture.
Look the truth is you stole our language but got the spelling mixed up. Then in return you destroyed our quaint little community oriented high streets replacing them with chain stores like McDonalds, Starbucks, Subway, etc,
We're still behind Europe in some sense, but we're also a quarter as old as most European countries.
Other slogans I could have suggested for companies at one time or other:
"The network is the computer, or possibly thats the PC" - SUN "Invent or Copy" -HP "Innovating for a Safer World, Fly Concorde" - BAE "Good Food. Good Life. Kill Babies." - Nestle
"Beyond Petroleum" - BP (unmodified, i just want to see it again because it's so hilarious)
That is exactly why I want a full-blown Excel. Do you really want to do your finances online? Have a copy of that residing on google's server where it is stored or "cached"? They put out these services to aggregate your life, to advertize to you. You are there to make money, that's all they care about. Your privacy be damned.
But it's free.
Being cynical I would say whether or not home users use this instead of Excel depends entirely on whether or not illegal copies of Excel are readily available - privacy will have nothing to do with it.
Actually i disagree. I think the parent was making a valid legal point.
Google is involved in massive actual copyright infringement and get's away with it because it usually is in website owners interests. Also they will usually obey takedown notices (see scientology) when the copyright holder objects.
ThePirateBay is not directly involved in copyright infringement and is probably legal under local laws but does get raided by the police.
Well, google does serve adverts to people living outside the US.
When you walk down a steet in a european city some people you pass by may have nipples. When you walk down a street in the US some people may have guns.
- Indemnify Sun against claims arising from your OS or your violation of
the DLJ (or any applicable law) Note that you are not responsible for
changes made to your OS distribution by downstream users or distributors
when such changes are out of your control.
- Ship only a compatible JDK on your OS. If notified of an incompatibility,
you must correct it and offer a patch or replacement to downstream
recipients within 90 days, or stop shipment and notify downstream
recipients.
Did Debian really agree to this?! I wouldn't redistribute software under those terms and I'm a lot less fussy about license restrictions than debian.
Even in non-free that would seem insane. A commercially backed distro like Ubuntu I guess can take whatever risks they like.
Ok maybe i went too far in saying that was Suns "intent" however i'm quite certain that by allowing packaging of the sun JRE directly via distros and package management will have an adverse effect on the number of people testing and filing bugs for a truly free Java implementation. Also I am entirely unsure how this would work in terms of dependancy solving, would it satisfy the same dependancies as the truly free java version or solve different dependancies?
Having binary Nvidia drivers is messy enough but using the binary sun Java would have the potential to taint a whole stack of software that becomes dependant on the non free version of Java.
That is assuming that it takes off in a big way which I am entirely unsure about. I only took a brief look at the re-distribution terms of the DLJ and i fail to understand how debian could possibly redistribute it given the responsibilities it places on the distributer.
On a related topic I think it's short sighted of Sun not open sourcing Java. Linux is at a critical time where many developers (particularly gnome) are looking for a next generation language to use and that could have been (could still be?) Java now it's looking increasingly likely that it will be mono, python or something else. If Linux was ever to become a serious threat to windows on the desktop then Sun would have been well positioned at the fore front of Java development.
Microsoft killed desktop Java on windows and Sun's licensing is killing desktop Java on Linux. I can't imagine Sun was happy that microsoft cloned java with.NET and ditched desktop Java, ironic then that they are encouraging linux developers to use Mono rather than Java on desktop Linux by not open-sourcing Java.
My own frustration with Mr. Stallman, however, is that he doesn't really seem to work with companies like Sun to see if their interests and his own can coincide. So he spends his time on an attempt to replicate a complex system that he lacks the resources to properly follow.
I actually think this is a little unfair on RMS. He has dedicated a large part of his life to explaining why free software is important and what the difference is between "free as in beer" and "free as in speech".
For Stallman to enter into a dialogue with companies like Sun would imply that the FSF could somehow come to a compromise agreement on an issue like forking or on the definition of "free software" with that company - otherwise there is little point in the discussion. He could go and explain the relative merits of the different open source and free licenses but that seems a bit pointless as I'm sure they can work that out themselves.
I think Sun's latest move is an attempt to discourage harmony/gcj/etc developers working on a free Java by allowing a binary Sun Java to be included in most linux distros.
Ultimately this could result in a large amount of software in many linux distros relying on non-free sun binaries and I for one support RMS's attempts to stop that from happening by encouraging people to develop a free alternative. I also think that if Sun realise that people are so unhappy with the java licensing that they will write a competing free version of Java they might change their mind.
I wouldn't be suprised if the rapid increase in GCJ compiled and free software java packages in linux distros hasn't already had an impact in this regard.
The emusic linux download really sucked when I last used it.
I ended up ditching it because it was so hard to download albums. Their binary file was linked to some.so file that didn't exist on fedora - and that wasn't the only problem. Even downloading the albums in a zip file would have been better than nothing.
I can see those stupid users wondering why MSWord on 95 required 8meg ram but MS Word on Vista requires 1gig ram - when both systems do almost exactly the same.
Of course i'm an IT professional so I *know* why, urrm....
Sadly the internet is already compromised since the bot networks are already too large for most organisations to take on.
I hope someone does something to deal with the botnet threats. Being able to suck multiple gigabits of bandwidth means 'they' can kill any small to medium sized internet operation if they want to via a range of attacks from the simple to the rather sophisticated.
Tier1 ISPs usually don't care other than possibly to try and filter all your traffic to prevent their other customers from suffering.
Some medium/larger sized companies use services like Akamai siteshield that are capable of sustaining a reasonable DDOS-ing but the botnet operators will eventually realise that the attacks are not just about knocking a site offline. Akamai will charge you for that traffic which will send the companies bankrupt anyway (and possibly quicker than going offline). In fact i was wondering how on earth bluesecurity were going to pay their bandwidth bill.
The defences we have against such attacks are pathetic. I was amused in an episode of 24 when they came under an online attack from terrorists and their new "CISCO FIREWALL" protects them, i mean seriously the firewalls are the least of your problems these days. If you come under attack from one of these serious russian dudes - you'd be looking at trying to filter the traffic well before it reaches the firewalls since your line and network would be saturated.
Why then is the firefox GUI on Linux so much slower than native GTK apps/gnome apps?
They might be picking up theme information from GTK or even using some GTK routines to render but the terribly poor GUI performance when compared to other GTK apps would suggest that they are not using GTK the same way as other gnome apps.
Also on windows the menu rendering is slower than apps using normal windows menus, i can see the redraw and CPU suckage on this "slow" 500mhz laptop compared to normal windows apps that have menus that appear to draw instantly. Also it's picking up the wrong theme info from windows (I'm using XP with a 2k theme).
I can imagine why they don't map to the native gtk or windows menu system (easier cross-compatibility) but it does result in a noticeably less responsive GUI, on my 3ghz Athlon64 linux system it's particularly frustrating.
I looked at a few topcoder questions recently and they generally started something like: 'Create a monotonically decreasing triangular matrix with the minimum possible values of X, Y, R and S where X =...' or something equally dull.
These are not interesting programming problems to me (and probably a lot of other programmers) as they are not creative enough. I would have thought they might possibly be interesting to some mathematicians with a side interest in programming.
Perhaps the american programmers brains shutdown as a self defence mechanism.
Most internet users either do not know how to change it or wouldn't bother, or wouldn't even if realise it was "a page" that could be changed.
You could always install netscape or real player what killed them was they were no longer the default thing that came up for new users. And now half the world thinks that to get to the internet you click on a blue "E".
I probably wasn't very clear I mean that microsoft is a *monopoly* abusing it's dominant position in the desktop market to move into a different area.
While a crappy MSN home page doesn't compete much with google, microsoft could change the crappy old MSN page for their google clone "LiveSearch" (or whatever they are calling it), they already make IE do a microsoft search when you type random crap into the address bar.
Making MSN Live Search the default could hurt google badly, maybe it's not as bad a monopoly abuse as bundling IE or MediaPlayer, but it's still a clear attempt to leverage their desktop monopoly to move into the Pay-Per-Click search advertising market currently ruled by Google.
Apple does not have a monopoly in the desktop market therefore it can default safari to an apple web page.
You wouldn't have to force microsoft to default IE to google, you could require them to leave it blank, or allow distributors to change it (which they do anyway), one thing i wouldn't suggest is requiring microsoft to sell another alternative version of windows called "Windows - crippled IE edition" for the European market.
If Google (which I love, BTW), doesn't like it, they can write their own browser and make Google the default search.
Google could do that and that would be fine (although why they'd bother when they can continue funding mozilla - I don't know). However, Microsoft may be on shaky legal ground making microsoft search the default page in IE since they are abusing their desktop monopoly to move into another area.
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An "Old Woman" once used this form of pest control and we all know where it got her...
There was an old woman who swallowed a cow,
I don't know how she swallowed a cow!
She swallowed the cow to catch the goat,
She swallowed the goat to catch the dog,
She swallowed the dog to catch the cat,
She swallowed the cat to catch the bird,
She swallowed the bird to catch the spider,
That wriggled and jiggled and tickled inside her,
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly,
I don't know why she swallowed the fly,
Perhaps she'll die.
I'm not actually sure the NT Kernel is that bad. After all it was written by a bunch of VMS developers. I'd have thought that it's a lot of the stuff that sits above the kernel that is a mess. Probably some of these messy complex parts of windows are difficult to convert from Win32 to .NET.
If that is the case then ditching the kernel and moving the mess to run on Mach wouldn't help them much.
Something like this for ipods:
"Warning: This player supports Digital Restrictions that may prevent you from exercising any right you have to transfer or backup your music"
A similar warning could be put on ITMS checkout for the songs themselves.
Atleast we'd have better beer.
Even given that, we're by no means devoid of our own culture.
:)
Look the truth is you stole our language but got the spelling mixed up.
Then in return you destroyed our quaint little community oriented high streets replacing them with chain stores like McDonalds, Starbucks, Subway, etc,
We're still behind Europe in some sense, but we're also a quarter as old as most European countries.
Oh god. What else do you have planned?
Other slogans I could have suggested for companies at one time or other:
"The network is the computer, or possibly thats the PC" - SUN
"Invent or Copy" -HP
"Innovating for a Safer World, Fly Concorde" - BAE
"Good Food. Good Life. Kill Babies." - Nestle
"Beyond Petroleum" - BP
(unmodified, i just want to see it again because it's so hilarious)
I sure hope you have cookies turned off when you browse the web...
I had wondered how debian could possibly agree to include that software in non-free with those license conditions.
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see: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=186539&
I guess they "forgot" to check with the lawyers...
That is exactly why I want a full-blown Excel. Do you really want to do your finances online? Have a copy of that residing on google's server where it is stored or "cached"? They put out these services to aggregate your life, to advertize to you. You are there to make money, that's all they care about. Your privacy be damned.
But it's free.
Being cynical I would say whether or not home users use this instead of Excel depends entirely on whether or not illegal copies of Excel are readily available - privacy will have nothing to do with it.
Actually i disagree. I think the parent was making a valid legal point.
Google is involved in massive actual copyright infringement and get's away with it because it usually is in website owners interests. Also they will usually obey takedown notices (see scientology) when the copyright holder objects.
ThePirateBay is not directly involved in copyright infringement and is probably legal under local laws but does get raided by the police.
Well, google does serve adverts to people living outside the US.
When you walk down a steet in a european city some people you pass by may have nipples. When you walk down a street in the US some people may have guns.
Guess which i feel more comfortable with.
- Indemnify Sun against claims arising from your OS or your violation of
the DLJ (or any applicable law) Note that you are not responsible for
changes made to your OS distribution by downstream users or distributors
when such changes are out of your control.
- Ship only a compatible JDK on your OS. If notified of an incompatibility,
you must correct it and offer a patch or replacement to downstream
recipients within 90 days, or stop shipment and notify downstream
recipients.
Did Debian really agree to this?!
I wouldn't redistribute software under those terms and I'm a lot less fussy about license restrictions than debian.
Even in non-free that would seem insane. A commercially backed distro like Ubuntu I guess can take whatever risks they like.
Ok maybe i went too far in saying that was Suns "intent" however i'm quite certain that by allowing packaging of the sun JRE directly via distros and package management will have an adverse effect on the number of people testing and filing bugs for a truly free Java implementation. Also I am entirely unsure how this would work in terms of dependancy solving, would it satisfy the same dependancies as the truly free java version or solve different dependancies?
.NET and ditched desktop Java, ironic then that they are encouraging linux developers to use Mono rather than Java on desktop Linux by not open-sourcing Java.
Having binary Nvidia drivers is messy enough but using the binary sun Java would have the potential to taint a whole stack of software that becomes dependant on the non free version of Java.
That is assuming that it takes off in a big way which I am entirely unsure about. I only took a brief look at the re-distribution terms of the DLJ and i fail to understand how debian could possibly redistribute it given the responsibilities it places on the distributer.
On a related topic I think it's short sighted of Sun not open sourcing Java. Linux is at a critical time where many developers (particularly gnome) are looking for a next generation language to use and that could have been (could still be?) Java now it's looking increasingly likely that it will be mono, python or something else. If Linux was ever to become a serious threat to windows on the desktop then Sun would have been well positioned at the fore front of Java development.
Microsoft killed desktop Java on windows and Sun's licensing is killing desktop Java on Linux. I can't imagine Sun was happy that microsoft cloned java with
My own frustration with Mr. Stallman, however, is that he doesn't really seem to work with companies like Sun to see if their interests and his own can coincide. So he spends his time on an attempt to replicate a complex system that he lacks the resources to properly follow.
I actually think this is a little unfair on RMS. He has dedicated a large part of his life to explaining why free software is important and what the difference is between "free as in beer" and "free as in speech".
For Stallman to enter into a dialogue with companies like Sun would imply that the FSF could somehow come to a compromise agreement on an issue like forking or on the definition of "free software" with that company - otherwise there is little point in the discussion. He could go and explain the relative merits of the different open source and free licenses but that seems a bit pointless as I'm sure they can work that out themselves.
I think Sun's latest move is an attempt to discourage harmony/gcj/etc developers working on a free Java by allowing a binary Sun Java to be included in most linux distros.
Ultimately this could result in a large amount of software in many linux distros relying on non-free sun binaries and I for one support RMS's attempts to stop that from happening by encouraging people to develop a free alternative. I also think that if Sun realise that people are so unhappy with the java licensing that they will write a competing free version of Java they might change their mind.
I wouldn't be suprised if the rapid increase in GCJ compiled and free software java packages in linux distros hasn't already had an impact in this regard.
The emusic linux download really sucked when I last used it.
.so file that didn't exist on fedora - and that wasn't the only problem. Even downloading the albums in a zip file would have been better than nothing.
I ended up ditching it because it was so hard to download albums. Their binary file was linked to some
Their support was also less than helpful.
The options are "No Thanks" and "yeah sure, pwn me". Now, I'm usually an optimist, but I think the results of this study would be depressing.
Well now, that totally depends which answer you make the default.
I can see those stupid users wondering why MSWord on 95 required 8meg ram but MS Word on Vista requires 1gig ram - when both systems do almost exactly the same.
Of course i'm an IT professional so I *know* why, urrm....
3D Animated and telepathic AI paperclip??
Sadly the internet is already compromised since the bot networks are already too large for most organisations to take on.
I hope someone does something to deal with the botnet threats. Being able to suck multiple gigabits of bandwidth means 'they' can kill any small to medium sized internet operation if they want to via a range of attacks from the simple to the rather sophisticated.
Tier1 ISPs usually don't care other than possibly to try and filter all your traffic to prevent their other customers from suffering.
Some medium/larger sized companies use services like Akamai siteshield that are capable of sustaining a reasonable DDOS-ing but the botnet operators will eventually realise that the attacks are not just about knocking a site offline. Akamai will charge you for that traffic which will send the companies bankrupt anyway (and possibly quicker than going offline). In fact i was wondering how on earth bluesecurity were going to pay their bandwidth bill.
The defences we have against such attacks are pathetic. I was amused in an episode of 24 when they came under an online attack from terrorists and their new "CISCO FIREWALL" protects them, i mean seriously the firewalls are the least of your problems these days. If you come under attack from one of these serious russian dudes - you'd be looking at trying to filter the traffic well before it reaches the firewalls since your line and network would be saturated.
Why then is the firefox GUI on Linux so much slower than native GTK apps/gnome apps?
They might be picking up theme information from GTK or even using some GTK routines to render but the terribly poor GUI performance when compared to other GTK apps would suggest that they are not using GTK the same way as other gnome apps.
Also on windows the menu rendering is slower than apps using normal windows menus, i can see the redraw and CPU suckage on this "slow" 500mhz laptop compared to normal windows apps that have menus that appear to draw instantly. Also it's picking up the wrong theme info from windows (I'm using XP with a 2k theme).
I can imagine why they don't map to the native gtk or windows menu system (easier cross-compatibility) but it does result in a noticeably less responsive GUI, on my 3ghz Athlon64 linux system it's particularly frustrating.
"took more than a month to repair" (quote taken from the BBC News story) has the strong smell of bullshit
They probably included the time it took to set up that security system called "passwords". so as to make sure no other leet hackers could break in.
"Best computer programmers" my arse.
I looked at a few topcoder questions recently and they generally started something like: 'Create a monotonically decreasing triangular matrix with the minimum possible values of X, Y, R and S where X =...' or something equally dull.
These are not interesting programming problems to me (and probably a lot of other programmers) as they are not creative enough. I would have thought they might possibly be interesting to some mathematicians with a side interest in programming.
Perhaps the american programmers brains shutdown as a self defence mechanism.
it's EASY to change
Most internet users either do not know how to change it or wouldn't bother, or wouldn't even if realise it was "a page" that could be changed.
You could always install netscape or real player what killed them was they were no longer the default thing that came up for new users. And now half the world thinks that to get to the internet you click on a blue "E".
I probably wasn't very clear I mean that microsoft is a *monopoly* abusing it's dominant position in the desktop market to move into a different area.
While a crappy MSN home page doesn't compete much with google, microsoft could change the crappy old MSN page for their google clone "LiveSearch" (or whatever they are calling it), they already make IE do a microsoft search when you type random crap into the address bar.
Making MSN Live Search the default could hurt google badly, maybe it's not as bad a monopoly abuse as bundling IE or MediaPlayer, but it's still a clear attempt to leverage their desktop monopoly to move into the Pay-Per-Click search advertising market currently ruled by Google.
Apple does not have a monopoly in the desktop market therefore it can default safari to an apple web page.
You wouldn't have to force microsoft to default IE to google, you could require them to leave it blank, or allow distributors to change it (which they do anyway), one thing i wouldn't suggest is requiring microsoft to sell another alternative version of windows called "Windows - crippled IE edition" for the European market.
If Google (which I love, BTW), doesn't like it, they can write their own browser and make Google the default search.
Google could do that and that would be fine (although why they'd bother when they can continue funding mozilla - I don't know).
However, Microsoft may be on shaky legal ground making microsoft search the default page in IE since they are abusing their desktop monopoly to move into another area.
The reality is that you can get away with alot whilst you can cover your losses.