I know you are right. The only time I ever used an iBook was to delete OS 9x and install Debian alongside OS X on it. In any case, I hope OS X attracts MS users. I must admit it is "pretty" enough to do that. I hope OS X attracts more of my fellow scientists too. Many of them have the time to learn Linux, but not all. A data base I managed was on free BSD and Solaris for security reasons. It was easier to patch holes and modify protocols. Every time our research department tried to use W2k, we were hacked by the enemy (drug companies trying to steal open reasearch before it was released to the world for "free").
RH gloppy splodge vs MS glimey splidge: may the worst money-muncher loose! In the very MEAN time, I will debunk my territory with Debian too as the free BSDers squabble and bitchfight on the gaybar floor, and OS X tries to appeal to Xers, and Microslop slops the server security of the world, and as red hat charges $3,000 smackers to begin to approach the illusion of security in a MS dominated vinyl-fetished "granny needs virtual sex too" world.
I've got a problem with that. I am not too sure your average vendor is capable of doing it right. They will insist on RedHat because it's easier to install, but when you say you want Debian, they look at you cross-eyed. My solution is to forget it all and go to the iBook 50-50 Debian/osX.
I'm with you on this. I borrowed one, wiped out the HD, reinstalled OS X + Debian in a 5G/5G partitioning scheme and it rocks, except I've no sound support in the "Debian Mode"... This has got to be the best laptop ever made.
I couldn't agree more. Let's get those Mountain Dew swilling-piza eating geeks on an actual mission: like simply presenting Linux and offering a bit of help along the way. We have to learn to tolerate totally stupid questions, clueless debutants, and hateful brother-in-laws. Use Windows if you will, but wouldn't it be nicer to be (and feel) totally independent? Because Linux is fundamentally "open." Do not expect a quick response from the "windows sector." To sum up this 1970's pitch for open source from an old (and very tired) "live free or die," geek, get off your dead assessessess and actually INSTALL LINUX for someone, replace their "winmodems"..., show them the way. Otherwise, Linux will never appeal to anyone but the few "chosen."
Get off your dead ass3essessesssess and lead the way. What I am trying to say is: for C/sake, actually DO something! Granted, it is not the mission of open source to proselytize, but you can find a way to give a helping hand from time to time. In other words, if you do not wish that the evil empire take control, do domething, like TEACHING. I'll sum it all up in one word: TEACH.
I just visited to leave my two cents. It is sites like yours that make it a bit easier for potential Linux users to make the transition. If you wish, you may read an article I wrote for ExtremeTech on the subject of modems http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s%253D16 98%2526a%253D8217,00.asp a trap for unsuspecting Windows users.
Sun Microsystems should be interested in this! We can take this a step further to laser-assisted torrefaction. For the future I see a nano-grinder in every bean, activated by a microwave signal..., sort of like hi-tech Mexican jumping beans. Great for digestion too!! Of course, everything will be powered by a mini-Linux distro customized for wireless.
Don't wory about Debian, which will surely prevail after everyone figures out just how deep into commercially protected territory Red Hat will go. Ret Hat would love to be the criteria for standards because eventually that will mean control (à la M$), and control translates into money. If you have any doubts, wait till you have to pay for a RH update, instead of just hitting apr-get.
It's finally arrived! Only M$ mistook "the fungus" of Open Source for a "cancer" at first. According to mycological data available at the present time, it seems that each wee beastie munching on CDs looks quite like a penguin.
I gave similar courses here in Canada a few years ago. The age range was 55 to 80. The only problem I had was with the initial connection course. Some of them have never touched a computer before and explaining a dou-it-yourself interner configuration was out of the question. I started them with auto-installation, either from ISP software, or via IE's auto config manager. As for surfing..., I started them with news. Aggo thing to show them is how to increase the font display size on the screen. Not all need that, but a few did. Secondly. I'd go to message boarsd with uncomplicated interfaces that could reflect their individual interests. Chats are just too fast for aged neophytes. Today, several of those (35 people) are using osX without difficulty. One installed Mandrake all by himself. They were able to do that because of the high learning curve that the "communities" they visited required. In other words, all was a great success, a cure for the terrile solitude of which many older people are victims. I like to think, although I'll have no way of really knowing, that efforts of this kind save lives, or at least open a world so intellectually vast that just rolling over and dying becomes less of an option.
I'm in Canada where courses that include crash "brush-ups" exist. If you check this board out next week, I will add a reply to my reply with all the information about what's available. If you believe you can do it you can. See ya soon....
You CAN go back to school! Several American Universities now give fully credited courses on line. Check out MIT, Michigan, U.of Illinois, etc... The good thing about is that you can finish courses at your own speed, which in a case like yours, would probably a lot faster than a regular course at the physical site. Check it out. Go to Google. Maybe even Stanford has something..... and much good hunting.
It's all about creativity. Some got it and some just don't. Creative people usually like what they "do" because what they do has been chosen because it's a good outlet or tool for expressing that creativity. While associated with a small part of the Genome Project at a local university we underwent a system glitch which threatened to corrupt years of data. We had to find the cause and the exact time the corruption of data began to be able to correct it and to notify others who use our data. We hired an "enginneer" who didn't seem to particularly like his profession. Nothing happened. It took a creative student with a Sherlock Holmes attitude to find the problem. You should have seen his eyes light up as he approached the solution. He was playing. He was getting "spiritually" and intellectually off while doing this. Today his "solution" to the problem is used by research departments of universities around the world who use Unix-based systems (BSD) and to him, it wasn't a "big deal"... He simply couldn't understand why anyone with a little training couldn't have done the same thing.
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Why not just a tattoo on our wrists? you know, one of the "Dark Angel" variety. Or maybe a microchip embedded in our assessesesss at birth?
In the land of the dark (Micro$oft)
the ship of the sun (*nix)
is driven by the grateful dead. (.......)please fill in the blank.
Thanks COWARD, or do you prefer Anonymous.
...should receive an Emmy for implementing the first .38 cal remote channel control.
I know you are right. The only time I ever used an iBook was to delete OS 9x and install Debian alongside OS X on it. In any case, I hope OS X attracts MS users. I must admit it is "pretty" enough to do that. I hope OS X attracts more of my fellow scientists too. Many of them have the time to learn Linux, but not all. A data base I managed was on free BSD and Solaris for security reasons. It was easier to patch holes and modify protocols. Every time our research department tried to use W2k, we were hacked by the enemy (drug companies trying to steal open reasearch before it was released to the world for "free").
RH gloppy splodge vs MS glimey splidge: may the worst money-muncher loose! In the very MEAN time, I will debunk my territory with Debian too as the free BSDers squabble and bitchfight on the gaybar floor, and OS X tries to appeal to Xers, and Microslop slops the server security of the world, and as red hat charges $3,000 smackers to begin to approach the illusion of security in a MS dominated vinyl-fetished "granny needs virtual sex too" world.
With OS X being the only user-friendly unix-based OS out there, in a few years we may be talking about the death of Linux too.....
Well said!!! ...and I stand corrected.
I've got a problem with that. I am not too sure your average vendor is capable of doing it right. They will insist on RedHat because it's easier to install, but when you say you want Debian, they look at you cross-eyed. My solution is to forget it all and go to the iBook 50-50 Debian/osX.
It has another great advantage besides osX, the only user-friendly *nix out there: It isn't an M$ product.
I installed Debian next to osX on one. Do you know about sound support for that?
I installed Debian. Does Yellow Dog have sound support?
I'm with you on this. I borrowed one, wiped out the HD, reinstalled OS X + Debian in a 5G/5G partitioning scheme and it rocks, except I've no sound support in the "Debian Mode"... This has got to be the best laptop ever made.
I couldn't agree more. Let's get those Mountain Dew swilling-piza eating geeks on an actual mission: like simply presenting Linux and offering a bit of help along the way. We have to learn to tolerate totally stupid questions, clueless debutants, and hateful brother-in-laws. Use Windows if you will, but wouldn't it be nicer to be (and feel) totally independent? Because Linux is fundamentally "open." Do not expect a quick response from the "windows sector." To sum up this 1970's pitch for open source from an old (and very tired) "live free or die," geek, get off your dead assessessess and actually INSTALL LINUX for someone, replace their "winmodems"..., show them the way. Otherwise, Linux will never appeal to anyone but the few "chosen."
Get off your dead ass3essessesssess and lead the way. What I am trying to say is: for C/sake, actually DO something! Granted, it is not the mission of open source to proselytize, but you can find a way to give a helping hand from time to time. In other words, if you do not wish that the evil empire take control, do domething, like TEACHING. I'll sum it all up in one word: TEACH.
Thanks anonymous. I really didn't want to post in the "Homer Simpson" mode on Slashdot. Say hello to all the little anonymice for me.
I just visited to leave my two cents. It is sites like yours that make it a bit easier for potential Linux users to make the transition. If you wish, you may read an article I wrote for ExtremeTech on the subject of modems http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,s%253D16 98%2526a%253D8217,00.asp a trap for unsuspecting Windows users.
Sun Microsystems should be interested in this! We can take this a step further to laser-assisted torrefaction. For the future I see a nano-grinder in every bean, activated by a microwave signal..., sort of like hi-tech Mexican jumping beans. Great for digestion too!! Of course, everything will be powered by a mini-Linux distro customized for wireless.
Don't wory about Debian, which will surely prevail after everyone figures out just how deep into commercially protected territory Red Hat will go. Ret Hat would love to be the criteria for standards because eventually that will mean control (à la M$), and control translates into money. If you have any doubts, wait till you have to pay for a RH update, instead of just hitting apr-get.
It's finally arrived! Only M$ mistook "the fungus" of Open Source for a "cancer" at first. According to mycological data available at the present time, it seems that each wee beastie munching on CDs looks quite like a penguin.
Why do you think there is total interoperability between Solaris and WinNT on a SunBlade 100 64/32bit workstation, file transfers included?
I gave similar courses here in Canada a few years ago. The age range was 55 to 80. The only problem I had was with the initial connection course. Some of them have never touched a computer before and explaining a dou-it-yourself interner configuration was out of the question. I started them with auto-installation, either from ISP software, or via IE's auto config manager. As for surfing..., I started them with news. Aggo thing to show them is how to increase the font display size on the screen. Not all need that, but a few did. Secondly. I'd go to message boarsd with uncomplicated interfaces that could reflect their individual interests. Chats are just too fast for aged neophytes. Today, several of those (35 people) are using osX without difficulty. One installed Mandrake all by himself. They were able to do that because of the high learning curve that the "communities" they visited required. In other words, all was a great success, a cure for the terrile solitude of which many older people are victims. I like to think, although I'll have no way of really knowing, that efforts of this kind save lives, or at least open a world so intellectually vast that just rolling over and dying becomes less of an option.
I'm in Canada where courses that include crash "brush-ups" exist. If you check this board out next week, I will add a reply to my reply with all the information about what's available. If you believe you can do it you can. See ya soon....
You CAN go back to school! Several American Universities now give fully credited courses on line. Check out MIT, Michigan, U.of Illinois, etc... The good thing about is that you can finish courses at your own speed, which in a case like yours, would probably a lot faster than a regular course at the physical site. Check it out. Go to Google. Maybe even Stanford has something..... and much good hunting.
It's all about creativity. Some got it and some just don't. Creative people usually like what they "do" because what they do has been chosen because it's a good outlet or tool for expressing that creativity. While associated with a small part of the Genome Project at a local university we underwent a system glitch which threatened to corrupt years of data. We had to find the cause and the exact time the corruption of data began to be able to correct it and to notify others who use our data. We hired an "enginneer" who didn't seem to particularly like his profession. Nothing happened. It took a creative student with a Sherlock Holmes attitude to find the problem. You should have seen his eyes light up as he approached the solution. He was playing. He was getting "spiritually" and intellectually off while doing this. Today his "solution" to the problem is used by research departments of universities around the world who use Unix-based systems (BSD) and to him, it wasn't a "big deal"... He simply couldn't understand why anyone with a little training couldn't have done the same thing.