And a this for $20 and a that for $50 and whatchmacallit for $45. $30 per seat * 4,000 students in my town is $120,000. Not money well expended, expecially when equal (if not better) alternative is available for $0.
Anybody who has been awake for the last 6 months knows that fab 25 was slated to move over to other produces. Listen to the conference calls for the past 2 quarters...
Somehow I don't think so. The remark was in the context of the way the graphs were drawn and the choice of processors. The point is that this was a comparison of the best (at the time) Intel processor with an AMD processor that was three clock speed releases back. But Hertz are really irrelevant, unless you are an Intel marketeer. What is relevant is what your $$ can buy and what it can do today. Folks can mumble on about upgrade paths, but from what I've seen in my own company, this is only relevant to the preservation of software over upgrades. When most office machines cost a K$ or so, you don't upgrade them, you pitch them.
Today on pricewatch, the 1.1 Ghz AMD processor costs $77, the 1.4 GHz $154 and the 1.7 Ghz P4 costs $324. Today I can put together an AMD based system using the 1.4 Ghz Athlon that will perform roughly the same as a 1.7 (or 1.8) Ghz P4,
at 1/2 the price of the P4 machine. For most rational folks, the choice is obvious.
Using this processor specific optimixation for the Athlon chips, the Pentium 4 has managed to outrun the Athlon. Intel's compiler cannot be expected (realistically) to generated optimized code for the Athlon. Any of their comparisons based on their compiler should be highly suspect.
Ah, Soul for sale soul for sale. Get your green interns here...
You are correct in what you say, but that is about as truthful as "I did not have sex with that woman".
As an effective developer, you have to be able to download, you can't be waiting for the little man in blue to drop the cd off at your door next month.
What I want to know is what is the value added by this to the customer. It seems that M$ has taken to feeling that it has to offer no other justification for its actions other than "Well, we felt like it, and besides it will make us more money". The rest of the world does quite well enough, thank you, without having to download using pisspoor. As an apple developer, a linux user, and even a user of M$ garbage operating systems, pisspoor has no advantage to me as a user so compelling that I even feel like I would need it.
Quite the contrary.
I was going to post about the o2 bigots, but I guess you beat me to it.
There are many other possible sources of energy that have been utilized (and are currently being utilized) by life on earth other than the conventional carbon/oxygen cycle. Primo example are the life forms around the "black smokers". Blue/green algae are also found in anoxic forms. For those with a really long memory, there was an editorial done in Analog magazine many years ago by John Cambell about the difference between "The" enviroment and "An" enviroment. Seems that there was an enviroment that existed on a planet once upon a time that we know about that was wiped out by a life form that emitted very poisonous gasses. The planet was earth, the time was several billion years ago, the life forms distroyed were blue green algae and the poisonous gas was oxygen emitted by green algae.
I dare say that we also may have to re-consider what we mean by life when we actually get to examine some of these places. Prions are self replecating, but not life by our usual definition. Viral particles are. What happens when you find something that is self-replicating and more complex than the bare prion protein, but without the rna of a virus?
For any of you who have been breathing for the last decade or so, it should be obvious about the way M$ operates. The history of incremental co-option of sphere of influence should make it plain that while it might be music on the web today, it will be video on the web tomorrow. If you were Time Warner with a large content library, would you care to limit your distribution channel on the web to a single vendor? I think not. Especially when M$ has demonstrated that they love to get you, close off your exits and then put a gun in your face for more money. I can see it now: "Digial rights enabling? Well, that will be an incremental $$ and btw, for us to support it, you will have to upgrade to Windoze XPensive". Stay tuned gang. This one is going to get interesting. Can you imagine what might happen if AOL were to start to distribute a Linux that the average joe could use on those millions of CDs they send out??
When I write and copyright a web page, modification of that web page is making a derivative work with my permission and thus a violation of my copyright.
For M$ to raise the flag about piracy and then practice it in its own offerings is the height of chutzpa. If M$ wishes to do something of this sort legally, it can also create a second window with links to things. It must, however, leave my HTML untouched.
To be sure, but yet Intel has been the one (along with AMD) that has been pushing the "MegaHurts Wars" full speed. The real "proof is in the pudding". While I am sitting as I write this in front of 9 x86 (both AMD and Intel) machines and 2 Power Pc machines, ( with another 4 PowerPCs and 5 x86 machines in the house), the machine that I will use is the machine/Os combo that gets me to my goal with the least expense and hassle. For some things that has been the PowerPC under MacOS, for others Wintel, for still others x86 Linux or FreeBSD. The point was that: Yes, given the current ratio of clock speeds, the PowerPCs used by Apple from Motrola underperform some rather weak Intel products. For what may be hoped to be introduced in the near future, a 1 GHz PPC chip should outperform a 1.1 Intel and have some other potential redeeming characteristics. I could not put a machine with the current breed of x86 machines into a conference room. I could do so with a Mac Cube.
Having the long pipeline so you can scale past 2 GHz is not all that its cracked up to be in the real-world. Mis-predicts cause too many pipeline flushes with other bad potential side effects. For some stuff its fine, for many things it ain't. The PPC runs with a very short pipe.
I don't thnk that you will ever get an agument from anyone over how very, very, very badly Motorola has messed up with being unable to deliver faster versions of the PowerPC. However, you should look at a couple of issues with these benchmarks: 1) 450/733 =.61 and 533/733 =.72. Thus any scores over.61 and.72 respectively, indicate that the PowerPC is doing more per clock cycle than then PIII. If Motorola can ever get their act together (and that is not a certain), normal code on the PowerPC will run every bit as fast and faster than the x86 processor. Combined with the fact that the PowerPC has a nice quiet and fairly energy efficient air-cooled chip you might have some nice machines. Unfortunately, all benchmarks can have some rather un-intentional bias. My 1.2 Athlon would do 105 Scimarks in Windoze 98, 113 Sciemanrks in Wine under Redhat, and 119 under Windoze 2000 for Tim Wilkin's Science Mark benchmark.
Same machine, same memory, same disks, etc. the only difference was the os. Even given the same os, the tweaks that it goes through are also a function of the author's machine. Please pass the salt, I need a grain.
One of the reasons that companies love to give these is that they can pass a tax burden from themselves to the employee and thus make their "numbers" look better. Dear old M$ is an example. The company pays NO federal income tax through its use of options. It gets a tax credit for the options that it issues and the employee gets to pay that when they exercise the option. Cisco does the same. While the corporate reasoning is valid, the employees have little understanding of what they are getting themselves into in many cases. All I can say is caveat emptor if you are offered any options, make sure, sure, and very sure you know what the tax consequences of them will be.
The business plans of most DSL services would rival Netpinace in their stupidity. They usually ran: 1) First buy bulk access from the telephone compnaies,
2) Have the telephone companies do the hardware install and local loop stuff and 3) Make lotsa money. Needless to say, there was not a lot of value add in this sort of biz plan and they set themselves up to be squeezed by the telcos from the getgo. Unless your DSL is run by your local telco, I am afraid the stars are not in your favor going forward.
You have been declared illegal. Therefore per government order, you must pull straws. It is the responsibility of the twin pulling the shorter straw to distroy themself.
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Maybe it fell into the bit-bucket. Maybe there is a typo in how the document
was being accessed. If this error persists, please contact webmonster@thinkgeek.com.
The purpose of patents (as origionally conceived) as to allow someone the exclusive use for a set period of time of an un-obvious appication in return for disclosure and publication of that skill. Alas, this one just don't make that hurdle.
While I admit that it is becoming harder and harder to say what is obvious prior art and what is not when you move from mechanical widgets to software, this sort of patent only enriches the legal profession and not the furtherance of knowledge in general.
One of the biggest problems that FreeBSD has is the fact that their installtion, etc. is sloppy. Going out to 2 of the mirror sites this morning, you are confronted with directory not found, empty directories, recursive links that lead nowhere, etc. Hardly the thing that I can take to my management and state that this OS is ever so much better than M$. It is, but this sort of stuff just shoots it in the genitals before it has the chance.
I'm not a real fan of the P4 (as you all may have noticed), but this is an issue of getting sufficient cooling to the chip so it stays within spec. I have a couple of cooked T-Birds for tie tacks that would have benefited from this technology.
I just speced a 1.33 AMD system for a friend at roughly $900 in parts. 64 MB video card, 512 meg of memory 60 gig disk, dvd, sound card, etc. This system sitting on my dining room table today (not later) benches better than a 1.7 Ghz P4 on the Sandra 2001 CPU benchmark. AMD has Intel's nuts in the cracker today.
Intel's cost structure is such that they have to get better than $200 asps. The coin money at $400.
AMD has a much better structure and can do the smae thing at 1/2 the asp that Intel can. By my recon, Via sold 12.5 million sock-a chipsets in the first quarter. During the same period, Tiawan shipped only 80,000 Pentium 4 mobos.
Go ahead and commit Intel-inside. Underpowered, overpriced and Michael Delled.
Unfortunately slowing fown for a P4 is relative
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Last time I looked at Tim Wilkins Sciencemark test suite, the highest P4 system was in 21st place and was a 1.7 GHz overclocked one. Now sorry to all the folks out there, but Tim's suite is the real world in a type of science application (its his PhD thesis in physics used as a test suite), rather than a bogus set of routines used to pimp a chip.
Once I finish this reply, I will return to the air-cooled T-bird on my dining room table that is being happy as happy can be running at 1.6 GHz. This is with a $140 mobo, a $220 chip, and a $10 fan in a good case. After I get an OS on it, I will run Tim's benchmark. Dare say if past is prologue, it will surpass the 2.2 GHz P4 when that turkey is released.
Sorry to say, but Intel has let the marketing types run their company a bit too long. The blue man group is probably going to be the folks that are blue because their investment in Intel stinks so maybe their use in their advertising is more than appropriate.
In IE vs Netscape, the functionality was very, very similar and no other widget used the format. MP3 has become a standard above and beyond computers. My DVD player plays it as well as the Nomads, Rios, etc. of this world. Inferior quality is not of equal function for these products. In case folks have missed the obvious, this is part of the M$ plan to ingratiate themselves with RIAA and MPAA so that if you want to play audio or movies you have to buy windoze. Hopefully, the consumer will not be lead to the slaughter here and tell M$ to stick it.
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And a this for $20 and a that for $50 and whatchmacallit for $45. $30 per seat * 4,000 students in my town is $120,000. Not money well expended, expecially when equal (if not better) alternative is available for $0.
Anybody who has been awake for the last 6 months knows that fab 25 was slated to move over to other produces. Listen to the conference calls for the past 2 quarters...
If you don't understand the issues, then by definition nothing is relevant. You won't understand it...
Today on pricewatch, the 1.1 Ghz AMD processor costs $77, the 1.4 GHz $154 and the 1.7 Ghz P4 costs $324. Today I can put together an AMD based system using the 1.4 Ghz Athlon that will perform roughly the same as a 1.7 (or 1.8) Ghz P4, at 1/2 the price of the P4 machine. For most rational folks, the choice is obvious.
putz;
putz;
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wait(ALONGTIME);
putz;
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Using this processor specific optimixation for the Athlon chips, the Pentium 4 has managed to outrun the Athlon. Intel's compiler cannot be expected (realistically) to generated optimized code for the Athlon. Any of their comparisons based on their compiler should be highly suspect.
You are correct in what you say, but that is about as truthful as "I did not have sex with that woman". As an effective developer, you have to be able to download, you can't be waiting for the little man in blue to drop the cd off at your door next month. What I want to know is what is the value added by this to the customer. It seems that M$ has taken to feeling that it has to offer no other justification for its actions other than "Well, we felt like it, and besides it will make us more money". The rest of the world does quite well enough, thank you, without having to download using pisspoor. As an apple developer, a linux user, and even a user of M$ garbage operating systems, pisspoor has no advantage to me as a user so compelling that I even feel like I would need it. Quite the contrary.
There are many other possible sources of energy that have been utilized (and are currently being utilized) by life on earth other than the conventional carbon/oxygen cycle. Primo example are the life forms around the "black smokers". Blue/green algae are also found in anoxic forms. For those with a really long memory, there was an editorial done in Analog magazine many years ago by John Cambell about the difference between "The" enviroment and "An" enviroment. Seems that there was an enviroment that existed on a planet once upon a time that we know about that was wiped out by a life form that emitted very poisonous gasses. The planet was earth, the time was several billion years ago, the life forms distroyed were blue green algae and the poisonous gas was oxygen emitted by green algae.
I dare say that we also may have to re-consider what we mean by life when we actually get to examine some of these places. Prions are self replecating, but not life by our usual definition. Viral particles are. What happens when you find something that is self-replicating and more complex than the bare prion protein, but without the rna of a virus?
For any of you who have been breathing for the last decade or so, it should be obvious about the way M$ operates. The history of incremental co-option of sphere of influence should make it plain that while it might be music on the web today, it will be video on the web tomorrow. If you were Time Warner with a large content library, would you care to limit your distribution channel on the web to a single vendor? I think not. Especially when M$ has demonstrated that they love to get you, close off your exits and then put a gun in your face for more money. I can see it now: "Digial rights enabling? Well, that will be an incremental $$ and btw, for us to support it, you will have to upgrade to Windoze XPensive". Stay tuned gang. This one is going to get interesting. Can you imagine what might happen if AOL were to start to distribute a Linux that the average joe could use on those millions of CDs they send out??
When I write and copyright a web page, modification of that web page is making a derivative work with my permission and thus a violation of my copyright. For M$ to raise the flag about piracy and then practice it in its own offerings is the height of chutzpa. If M$ wishes to do something of this sort legally, it can also create a second window with links to things. It must, however, leave my HTML untouched.
Having the long pipeline so you can scale past 2 GHz is not all that its cracked up to be in the real-world. Mis-predicts cause too many pipeline flushes with other bad potential side effects. For some stuff its fine, for many things it ain't. The PPC runs with a very short pipe.
I don't thnk that you will ever get an agument from anyone over how very, very, very badly Motorola has messed up with being unable to deliver faster versions of the PowerPC. However, you should look at a couple of issues with these benchmarks: 1) 450/733 = .61 and 533/733 = .72. Thus any scores over .61 and .72 respectively, indicate that the PowerPC is doing more per clock cycle than then PIII. If Motorola can ever get their act together (and that is not a certain), normal code on the PowerPC will run every bit as fast and faster than the x86 processor. Combined with the fact that the PowerPC has a nice quiet and fairly energy efficient air-cooled chip you might have some nice machines. Unfortunately, all benchmarks can have some rather un-intentional bias. My 1.2 Athlon would do 105 Scimarks in Windoze 98, 113 Sciemanrks in Wine under Redhat, and 119 under Windoze 2000 for Tim Wilkin's Science Mark benchmark.
Same machine, same memory, same disks, etc. the only difference was the os. Even given the same os, the tweaks that it goes through are also a function of the author's machine. Please pass the salt, I need a grain.
One of the reasons that companies love to give these is that they can pass a tax burden from themselves to the employee and thus make their "numbers" look better. Dear old M$ is an example. The company pays NO federal income tax through its use of options. It gets a tax credit for the options that it issues and the employee gets to pay that when they exercise the option. Cisco does the same. While the corporate reasoning is valid, the employees have little understanding of what they are getting themselves into in many cases. All I can say is caveat emptor if you are offered any options, make sure, sure, and very sure you know what the tax consequences of them will be.
to the birdbrain who moderated this. you wouldn't know a pun if it hit you between the eyes...
The business plans of most DSL services would rival Netpinace in their stupidity. They usually ran: 1) First buy bulk access from the telephone compnaies, 2) Have the telephone companies do the hardware install and local loop stuff and 3) Make lotsa money. Needless to say, there was not a lot of value add in this sort of biz plan and they set themselves up to be squeezed by the telcos from the getgo. Unless your DSL is run by your local telco, I am afraid the stars are not in your favor going forward.
You have been declared illegal. Therefore per government order, you must pull straws. It is the responsibility of the twin pulling the shorter straw to distroy themself.
I intend to leave this line of argument before it Snobols
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The purpose of patents (as origionally conceived) as to allow someone the exclusive use for a set period of time of an un-obvious appication in return for disclosure and publication of that skill. Alas, this one just don't make that hurdle. While I admit that it is becoming harder and harder to say what is obvious prior art and what is not when you move from mechanical widgets to software, this sort of patent only enriches the legal profession and not the furtherance of knowledge in general.
i'd love to have these os be at a place where i could get it on the desktops
One of the biggest problems that FreeBSD has is the fact that their installtion, etc. is sloppy. Going out to 2 of the mirror sites this morning, you are confronted with directory not found, empty directories, recursive links that lead nowhere, etc. Hardly the thing that I can take to my management and state that this OS is ever so much better than M$. It is, but this sort of stuff just shoots it in the genitals before it has the chance.
I'm not a real fan of the P4 (as you all may have noticed), but this is an issue of getting sufficient cooling to the chip so it stays within spec. I have a couple of cooked T-Birds for tie tacks that would have benefited from this technology.
Intel's cost structure is such that they have to get better than $200 asps. The coin money at $400. AMD has a much better structure and can do the smae thing at 1/2 the asp that Intel can. By my recon, Via sold 12.5 million sock-a chipsets in the first quarter. During the same period, Tiawan shipped only 80,000 Pentium 4 mobos.
Go ahead and commit Intel-inside. Underpowered, overpriced and Michael Delled.
Once I finish this reply, I will return to the air-cooled T-bird on my dining room table that is being happy as happy can be running at 1.6 GHz. This is with a $140 mobo, a $220 chip, and a $10 fan in a good case. After I get an OS on it, I will run Tim's benchmark. Dare say if past is prologue, it will surpass the 2.2 GHz P4 when that turkey is released.
Sorry to say, but Intel has let the marketing types run their company a bit too long. The blue man group is probably going to be the folks that are blue because their investment in Intel stinks so maybe their use in their advertising is more than appropriate.
here..
In IE vs Netscape, the functionality was very, very similar and no other widget used the format. MP3 has become a standard above and beyond computers. My DVD player plays it as well as the Nomads, Rios, etc. of this world. Inferior quality is not of equal function for these products. In case folks have missed the obvious, this is part of the M$ plan to ingratiate themselves with RIAA and MPAA so that if you want to play audio or movies you have to buy windoze. Hopefully, the consumer will not be lead to the slaughter here and tell M$ to stick it.