I'm sorry, but you changed your configuration from 3 singles and a five to a ten. You must now call home before you may proceed...
Seriously, in things like ATM machines, bloatware isn't a real issue any more. A 1.4 Ghz processor + mobo + 1 gb of ram is less than $300. Given that an ATM machine itself is a great many times that, such a cost would be below most radars. On the other hand, security, and reliability are central. I hope that whatever they learn in this area gets over to the regular os folks, but have my doubts.
God help us though if they decide to do a joint marketing effort with X10. I'm sorry but you must read the following 5 spams, 10 popunders, 14 popovers & etc. before you can withdraw your money...
Its very simple, M$ is doing the "lets do it for the children trip". If you are against this settlement then obviously you hate children... If I were the judge here I would do a slapdown on them for this (M$) totally cynical manipulative attempt. Besides this offer is empty since it really does not cost M$ anything serious.
Whatcha goota do is to get rid of cars. Automotive accidents cause 6 yimes as many deaths each year as did the disaster of sept 11. Further, you gotta think how much crime this would stop in general. Are you gonna rob a bank and do a getaway on a skateboard? And terrorists, if you can't have cars, you can't have air travel cuz you can't get to the airport. Whatcha gonna do? Crash a scooter into the pentagon. As usual, the silly government goes for the easy target...
most of my machines are athlons and most of then run 2.4. i have 2.4 up on my tyan w/ dual xp chips, abit with athlon chips, tyan with dual mp chips, fic with duron, etc. stable as a rock.
more than i can say for m$ windoze...
Unfortunately, with this "rice pudding" model of software is virtually impossible to verify correct operation. Once upon a time there was a disipline called IVV (Independent Verification and Validation) that was used to verify mission critical software for the DOD. This drek would have never, never, ever, made it off of the bench, much less to first base. I shudder whenever I hear that the military is using "off the shelf" hardware/software (read Wintel) units. It wouldn't take much to bring the whole thing down. Pogo was right "We have met the enemy and he is us."
More seriously, the biggest problem with M$ is that the will stifle innovation. Who in their right minds is going to put capital into some open standards project with the knowledge that M$ will grab it once the spade work is done, close the standard and then bring out a slightly inferior but adequate copy in their os. (Right now I am biting my lip when I say that what they have is an os, ever try and copy a folder with 20GB in it? Works in OS 9, works in Linux, doesn't work in Windows...).
The courts were quite correct to break up the Standard Oil Trust, they would be quite correct to break up M$. The oil trust used the railroads, M$ used Dell and other such fabricators. The tactics were the same... M$ learned the lesson well. It is alas we who have not read enough history.
yeah, like you need that on dsl. last time i looked, it was easier to spoof spa than it was to hook into the copper to attach to the network. you talk about a lot of closed architecture total garbage. m$ is becoming an aol wannabe...
The point is simple. Any and all of these things have to be attacked by a two prong approach. First, any and all of us have to govern our lives in such a way as to remove the manure that allows folks such as the folks under question to thrive. This means changing out lifestyles from the "beggar your neighbor" approach to an approach in which we all recognize that when others get rich (economically, spiritaully, and in other ways), we become richer too. This goes against a number of billion years of evolution and is in many ways the internal jihad that is spoken of in the Muslim religion. The second thing is to understand that there are some sick folks out there that do evil things, and that it is necessary to restrain and deter them through the use of force. Sorry, but sociopaths and psycopaths are not rational.
As for the right of Britons to mount cameras on the street corner, in the loo and everywhere else, it is their country and they are free to do it. Just please, keep your naitivity to yourself and don't try to export it. The smugness about "Oh we don't have these messy mass killings here." ignores the fact that such an attitude killed 6 million folks in WW II + a few more in London. (I note in passing that this naive attitude was also here in the US, I am not blaming Britian). The first camera on my block will be the first camera that gets hit with black shoe polish on the lens. (Actually, they would make real neat shotgun targes for my 870)
Excuse me, but did you every Read Aesop's "The wolf, the man and the horse"? After the man and the horse got rid of the wolf, the man didn't care much about the horse's comfort. When you relinquish freedom (especially to tyrants and governments in general) you can only re-purchase it at a very high rate of interest. Adolph Hitler was an advocate of gun control, and removed the guns from the citizens of Germany in 1936. The firearms in used in the Warsaw uprising were all illegal. And why were the "British coming"? General Gates was leading a force to impound the civilian militia's firearms and powder after having banned firearms in Boston.
While this may seem like a pro-gun pitch (and to some degree it is), it is the sad fact that the British have decided to take the road "let someone else protect me" that require these cameras.
As for decompression due to a hole, it would have been a rather good thing. The pressure would have taken a bit to go down (the hole being roughly 1/2 inch in diameter), and during this period of time those seated would have had oxygen masks. Those standing (the bad guys) would have had most of the stuffing knocked out of them. The pilot could have then descended to 12,000 feet and gotten into a zone where most action for flatlanders is at best painfull. Yes, perhaps grandma wouldn't make it, but it is very similar to the vomit comet maneuver that the El Al pilot put his plane through during the last El Al highjacking. He figured that the only folks that were standing would be the hijackers and that a little turbulence would be a good thing. One highjacker died, the other was injured and the passengers made it through safely.
It would be wise to read history and not repeat it.
Oh yes, we have just had 5,000 folks killed here in the states with a couple of knives and some box cutters. All the survelance shit in the world somehow didn't make a difference. An armed chap in the cabin would have saved a large number of lives. However, we don't allow the guns on our airlines that you seem to deplore. But why quibble, what we should also do is to ban all metal knives. After all plastic picnic stuff would work quite as well. And why we are at it, lets please also ban private cars. 30,000 people are killed here in the states each year. You don't need them , after all public transportation is available. One of the things that we in the states learned a long time ago (225 of them actually), was that with freedom comes responsibility. Alas, it seems that your government feels that you are not capable of one and thus not entitled to the other...
The next step is to place a large metal ball attached firmly to a chain and attached to your ankle. After all, if you aren't guilty of a crime, you don't have to run fast, and if you are, this will allow us to catch you sooner.
My, my touchy aren't we. Well, to each their own. If you are happy there, then please stay. As for myself, I feel that responsibility begins at home,
not with a bored civil servant.
Yeah, one of the fabs they are going to close is the 6 in.7 micron "state of the art" one...
As for Gateway, I dare say AMD will continue to exist long after they have gone down the tubes. The "cow box" they ship in is being more and more appropriate these days, their machines are a pile of bullshit. The price/performace of AMD is compelling. You can put together a 2 cpu server (mobo, 1 gb ecc pc2100, 2 cpus, box, 60gb hd, floppy, and cdrom) for $1,000 in parts.
We shall (of course) see, but I would not bet agains the company with the superior product as a matter of policy. Especially with Hector and Jerry still around.
Ok, lets grant you your point. M$ is still attempting to gag you through the eula in their software. Further, one of the takaway points of the article is that given the structure that is going to be in place going forward, today's eula is not necessarilly tomorrows eula.
That if you load a glock, place it on your temple,
and pull the trigger it does nothing for yeur health and longevity. Anyone who is terminally stupid is capable of winning a Darwin award. This "Trojan" is in the same league.
No, I won't flame M$ in this one, but I would rather like to point out the real leasson in economics here. M$ is increasingly attempting to become the gatekeeper to the higher cost services with both the basic game machine and this entry. By running the basic product out the door at the marginal cost of production (or close to it), you get folks to install it and then are locked into buying the much more costly ad-ons from a single source market. It is the basic "Barbie Doll" apporach that was first started with George Eastman and his Brownie camera in the late 1800s.
With Windows, what you do is to have the marginal cost so close
to zero by having Michael Dell install it on all his machines that everyone will not bother to go for any other product line. Michael does all the work of install, etc. you don't have to manufacture anything physical. The marginal unit cost is basically zero. You then have to pay up for the balance of the products at a pretty pricey rate.
With the game station, you will have a unit sold under its cost to produce and like the other game stations, lock you into sole source from the manufacturer, who then controls the price/quality/availability of content through liscensing
With this beastie, I dare say every effort will be made to sell it under cost and then grab you onto M$ controlled content. It may well be that M$ will find a way to "enhance" their user's experience of their content while making darn sure that enhancements of this sort don't happen from other vendors (sorta like IE6 plugins going away...)
These sort of things are not healthy for the market as a whole. Please think of where we would be if AT&T prevailed in excluding other hardware and services from using their telephone system..
(well ok, it was a match, but not a real flame...)
Wasn't Jackson the judge that they hauled in there to do the last consent decree because the one before him decided that Microsoft could not be trusted to observe it? (Perhaps that explains some of his anger at the boy?) But please, you can only have the concent decree sort of stuff work so long as both sides are honorable.
I am sorry to say that Microsoft regards rules, custom, law, and everything else as something that are to be circumvented. Bill Gate's version is that everyone has the "Total Microsoft Experience" and that he has all the money. Its word is the expediant of the moment and it will refuse to follow any law. Microsoft obviously thumbed its nose at the legal system during appeal by refusing to follow Judge Jackson's orders in preparing for the breakup. As such it is corporately in contempt of court (and should be held so thank you, as you and I woulld under the same circumstances). I would love to see them broken up by the new Judge (which she can do thanks) no matter what the Justice (or lack there of) department decides. Short of that it has now placed itself in a position where it will dictate what you use, not you deciding what is your best solution.
Alas, I must totally agree with you. As a vendor, you are not going to do anything beyond the most basic thing that the customer wants. If you do, they will create problems and added cost for you.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of folks are incapable of even the most basic hasic hasic stuff wrt a pc and an os. If you give them a gun, they will shoot their gonads off with it. You thus do not give them a dual boot machine. Would it be otherwise, but that is the way it is.
The price for an AMD 1.4 266 frontbus chip is $107 today on pricewatch. If you want DDR ram, its $46 or so for a 256 stick direct from crucial for registered ecc. Tyan dual mobo is $250 delivered today for the S2460. So. I can put together a dual 1.4 machine with a gigabyte of ram for about $600 plus the cost of the heatsinks, case, drives, etc. Make that $700 if you want dual 1.2 pallys (at $163 each).
Cheaped price on a 1.8 (!) P4 chip is $261.Cheapest 256 RDRam is $77. Cheapest dual P4 mobo (that I can find) is $670 for a Supermicro. That means that I can put together a dead end P4 dual system with 1 Gb of ram for $1200+ plus the case, cooling etc. This machine cannot be upgraded. The AMD machine can when the 1.5 pallys, etc. come out.
Don't get me wrong, $1200+ for a machine with that kind of performance is a miracle, its just that it is twice the price it has to be.
I would suggest a read of today's wall st journal (front page) wrt the economies of software. When you have an item that has virtually no marginal cost of manufacture, a lot of things change.
They don't teach that in school (especially b-school). Ever since I learned that Sloan at MIT used to get all their B-School folks AOL accounts since that was all they could handle, my estimation of the academic track has plummeted...
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Seriously, in things like ATM machines, bloatware isn't a real issue any more. A 1.4 Ghz processor + mobo + 1 gb of ram is less than $300. Given that an ATM machine itself is a great many times that, such a cost would be below most radars. On the other hand, security, and reliability are central. I hope that whatever they learn in this area gets over to the regular os folks, but have my doubts.
God help us though if they decide to do a joint marketing effort with X10. I'm sorry but you must read the following 5 spams, 10 popunders, 14 popovers & etc. before you can withdraw your money...
Its very simple, M$ is doing the "lets do it for the children trip". If you are against this settlement then obviously you hate children... If I were the judge here I would do a slapdown on them for this (M$) totally cynical manipulative attempt. Besides this offer is empty since it really does not cost M$ anything serious.
Whatcha goota do is to get rid of cars. Automotive accidents cause 6 yimes as many deaths each year as did the disaster of sept 11. Further, you gotta think how much crime this would stop in general. Are you gonna rob a bank and do a getaway on a skateboard? And terrorists, if you can't have cars, you can't have air travel cuz you can't get to the airport. Whatcha gonna do? Crash a scooter into the pentagon. As usual, the silly government goes for the easy target...
most of my machines are athlons and most of then run 2.4. i have 2.4 up on my tyan w/ dual xp chips, abit with athlon chips, tyan with dual mp chips, fic with duron, etc. stable as a rock.
more than i can say for m$ windoze...
Unfortunately, with this "rice pudding" model of software is virtually impossible to verify correct operation. Once upon a time there was a disipline called IVV (Independent Verification and Validation) that was used to verify mission critical software for the DOD. This drek would have never, never, ever, made it off of the bench, much less to first base. I shudder whenever I hear that the military is using "off the shelf" hardware/software (read Wintel) units. It wouldn't take much to bring the whole thing down. Pogo was right "We have met the enemy and he is us."
More seriously, the biggest problem with M$ is that the will stifle innovation. Who in their right minds is going to put capital into some open standards project with the knowledge that M$ will grab it once the spade work is done, close the standard and then bring out a slightly inferior but adequate copy in their os. (Right now I am biting my lip when I say that what they have is an os, ever try and copy a folder with 20GB in it? Works in OS 9, works in Linux, doesn't work in Windows...).
The courts were quite correct to break up the Standard Oil Trust, they would be quite correct to break up M$. The oil trust used the railroads, M$ used Dell and other such fabricators. The tactics were the same... M$ learned the lesson well. It is alas we who have not read enough history.
yeah, like you need that on dsl. last time i looked, it was easier to spoof spa than it was to hook into the copper to attach to the network. you talk about a lot of closed architecture total garbage. m$ is becoming an aol wannabe...
As for the right of Britons to mount cameras on the street corner, in the loo and everywhere else, it is their country and they are free to do it. Just please, keep your naitivity to yourself and don't try to export it. The smugness about "Oh we don't have these messy mass killings here." ignores the fact that such an attitude killed 6 million folks in WW II + a few more in London. (I note in passing that this naive attitude was also here in the US, I am not blaming Britian). The first camera on my block will be the first camera that gets hit with black shoe polish on the lens. (Actually, they would make real neat shotgun targes for my 870)
While this may seem like a pro-gun pitch (and to some degree it is), it is the sad fact that the British have decided to take the road "let someone else protect me" that require these cameras.
As for decompression due to a hole, it would have been a rather good thing. The pressure would have taken a bit to go down (the hole being roughly 1/2 inch in diameter), and during this period of time those seated would have had oxygen masks. Those standing (the bad guys) would have had most of the stuffing knocked out of them. The pilot could have then descended to 12,000 feet and gotten into a zone where most action for flatlanders is at best painfull. Yes, perhaps grandma wouldn't make it, but it is very similar to the vomit comet maneuver that the El Al pilot put his plane through during the last El Al highjacking. He figured that the only folks that were standing would be the hijackers and that a little turbulence would be a good thing. One highjacker died, the other was injured and the passengers made it through safely.
It would be wise to read history and not repeat it.
The next step is to place a large metal ball attached firmly to a chain and attached to your ankle. After all, if you aren't guilty of a crime, you don't have to run fast, and if you are, this will allow us to catch you sooner.
My, my touchy aren't we. Well, to each their own. If you are happy there, then please stay. As for myself, I feel that responsibility begins at home,
not with a bored civil servant.
An armed society is a polite society.
try 1 mobo + 2 1 Ghz durons = < $400. durons run real nice in this as do the old tbirds.
1 mobo + 2 1.4 Ghz T-birds = < $425.
or for a screamer...
1 mobo + 2 1.2 Pallys + 2 golden sockets will go for < $700 and will bury any dual P4 machine in performance when you oc them to over 1.5 Ghz.
the price performance of this mobo with the amd processors is compelling. but that is old news now, like this "news" story...
As for Gateway, I dare say AMD will continue to exist long after they have gone down the tubes. The "cow box" they ship in is being more and more appropriate these days, their machines are a pile of bullshit. The price/performace of AMD is compelling. You can put together a 2 cpu server (mobo, 1 gb ecc pc2100, 2 cpus, box, 60gb hd, floppy, and cdrom) for $1,000 in parts.
We shall (of course) see, but I would not bet agains the company with the superior product as a matter of policy. Especially with Hector and Jerry still around.
Logically there should be only one system.
(and by golly its ours. yours can't be logical...)
Ok, lets grant you your point. M$ is still attempting to gag you through the eula in their software. Further, one of the takaway points of the article is that given the structure that is going to be in place going forward, today's eula is not necessarilly tomorrows eula.
That if you load a glock, place it on your temple,
and pull the trigger it does nothing for yeur health and longevity. Anyone who is terminally stupid is capable of winning a Darwin award. This "Trojan" is in the same league.
With Windows, what you do is to have the marginal cost so close
to zero by having Michael Dell install it on all his machines that everyone will not bother to go for any other product line. Michael does all the work of install, etc. you don't have to manufacture anything physical. The marginal unit cost is basically zero. You then have to pay up for the balance of the products at a pretty pricey rate.
With the game station, you will have a unit sold under its cost to produce and like the other game stations, lock you into sole source from the manufacturer, who then controls the price/quality/availability of content through liscensing
With this beastie, I dare say every effort will be made to sell it under cost and then grab you onto M$ controlled content. It may well be that M$ will find a way to "enhance" their user's experience of their content while making darn sure that enhancements of this sort don't happen from other vendors (sorta like IE6 plugins going away...)
These sort of things are not healthy for the market as a whole. Please think of where we would be if AT&T prevailed in excluding other hardware and services from using their telephone system..
(well ok, it was a match, but not a real flame...)
feature a blue test pattern 24 hours a day...
I am sorry to say that Microsoft regards rules, custom, law, and everything else as something that are to be circumvented. Bill Gate's version is that everyone has the "Total Microsoft Experience" and that he has all the money. Its word is the expediant of the moment and it will refuse to follow any law. Microsoft obviously thumbed its nose at the legal system during appeal by refusing to follow Judge Jackson's orders in preparing for the breakup. As such it is corporately in contempt of court (and should be held so thank you, as you and I woulld under the same circumstances). I would love to see them broken up by the new Judge (which she can do thanks) no matter what the Justice (or lack there of) department decides. Short of that it has now placed itself in a position where it will dictate what you use, not you deciding what is your best solution.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of folks are incapable of even the most basic hasic hasic stuff wrt a pc and an os. If you give them a gun, they will shoot their gonads off with it. You thus do not give them a dual boot machine. Would it be otherwise, but that is the way it is.
The price for an AMD 1.4 266 frontbus chip is $107 today on pricewatch. If you want DDR ram, its $46 or so for a 256 stick direct from crucial for registered ecc. Tyan dual mobo is $250 delivered today for the S2460. So. I can put together a dual 1.4 machine with a gigabyte of ram for about $600 plus the cost of the heatsinks, case, drives, etc. Make that $700 if you want dual 1.2 pallys (at $163 each).
Cheaped price on a 1.8 (!) P4 chip is $261.Cheapest 256 RDRam is $77. Cheapest dual P4 mobo (that I can find) is $670 for a Supermicro. That means that I can put together a dead end P4 dual system with 1 Gb of ram for $1200+ plus the case, cooling etc. This machine cannot be upgraded. The AMD machine can when the 1.5 pallys, etc. come out.
Don't get me wrong, $1200+ for a machine with that kind of performance is a miracle, its just that it is twice the price it has to be.
Bullshit signature of death??
I would suggest a read of today's wall st journal (front page) wrt the economies of software. When you have an item that has virtually no marginal cost of manufacture, a lot of things change.
They don't teach that in school (especially b-school). Ever since I learned that Sloan at MIT used to get all their B-School folks AOL accounts since that was all they could handle, my estimation of the academic track has plummeted...
pardon, the concepts in star office are just as valuable (if not more so) than the rot in microsoft turd to real life.