Regardless of the exact nature of the code, the simple fact is that something like this has been allowed to exist for so long. And how many of these types of "features" need to be strung together before you DO have a backdoor. Of course this is just one person putting a backdoor in web server software that protects billions of dollars. It has now been done, it will be done again. This is PROOF OF CONCEPT, and that's enough for me (not like I didn't already dislike M$, but this is good fuel for the fire)
Thus, the creator has the right to control their own work.
Well, my.sig kinda explains my viewpoint on the whole control issue. The Law can say we have a right to fly, but that doesn't make my bones any lighter. We, now, are faced with the problem of what exactly control is. My solution is to protect the right to profit from protected works, seeing as how distrubution and reproduction have become zero (direct) value operations (at least for digital media). I think our IP/copyright laws need a serious reworking or we're going to run into even more serious problems.
And no I don't think anyone should be forced to share their code, or their music, but if everyone takes on the attitude that closed code (or music) is bad, we'd get there eventually. I must admit here that code and music are different, the GPL as it stands would NOT work for music. --
Anything included with a Distribution is fair game for it's bugs, and any possible improvement thought up should be included on the list. I.e. establish the same criterion used with Windows 2000.
No they shouldn't be compared using the same criterion. You are *paying money* for M$ software and should demand it to be vastly superior in every way. As well as constantly improving. Linux is done for a different reason (good software vs good bottomline). It's sad that even though the two shouldn't really be compared, Windows still comes up short.(outside of emulating an arcade)
not only that, you get to cite MS vs DOJ and say they used their monopoly power to force you to use their software. I can hear the saliva from a million lawyers meandering towards the golden goose that is BillyG.
There are a large number of stores which have lax security, shouldn't I make use of this infinite resource?
Wow, and these stores have products that you can take home AND leave on the shelf at the same time, amaazing.
Your arguments are all based on the Law. The Law is based on prodcuts with finite supply. MP3s are not affected by scarcity. The Law is wrong. Your argument is wrong.
Actually compared to MP3s, it is infinitely scarce. You're missing a big point. The difference between abundant supply and infinite supply is a significant one (IHMO, THE significant one when trying to understand New Media). Could you trade tapes with anyone in the world? Did they get perfect copies? That's the difference, infinite perfect copies. The RIAA was able to leverage and control the old scarcity for profit. If they were smart they could leverage an infinite product for profit, but they aren't smart, they're scared and panicking. Panic is poison to rational thought. (BTW, I loved the water example) --
San Mateo, Calif.-based Napster already is the target of a suit by the Recording Industry Association of America, which claims that Napster violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a new law that bars devices that could be used to circumvent copyrights.
Don't you love laws that place ridiculous limits on what the market wants. Or tell it what it wants. The DMCA (at least major parts of it) is baad, baad I tell you.
And then our friend Lars. (who I mean no personal affront to, and am basing this opinion on the story.) Sorry man, you can't have it both ways. (and actually reading it again he may have been taken out of context, it says "publicists for the band and music companies even threw in a statement from Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich."[possibly while stoned, I'm looking at you Cypress Hill])
the quote
Lars Ulrich, who said it is "sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is."
and then followed it up with.
"From a business standpoint, this is about piracy -- aka taking something that doesn't belong to you -- and that is morally and legally wrong."
From an art standpoint, this is about art, using and appreciating something that someone created to reflect an interesting aspect of life, sharing an infinite resource with your fellow travelers.
You're either a businessman or an artist, but never the 'twain shall meet. (in a purely definitive senses)
if someone at Sony is reading this, realize that by banning the sale of virtual items (which you have the code for, hint, hint) you are damming an infinite revenue stream. But, heh, what do I know, I still play Nethack.
There is this weird perception that I meet all the time: if something bad happens to you, you deserve compensation.
I hope and pray that's it's only in America where this attitude is prevalent. Getting monetary compensation of mental anguish, give me a fsckin' break. I guess that is the result when a society places money as the ultimate achievement. Sad, really, sad..
If you're interested in making your school safer, three of the best things to have in your back pocket are resolve, respect and responsibility. When we show others respect and determine to resolve conflict peacefully, we lessen the potential for people to become violent. It is also our responsibility to know what often triggers violent behavior and how we can respond appropriately.
According to extensive research, here's a number of early warning signs of violence. However, it's extremely important to know that this is not a "checklist" to be used to stereotype anyone. These early warning signs need to be viewed in the appropriate context. They are not to be seen as individual indicators, but when exhibited in combination, are cause for concern. They include:
Not a checklist, but if someone exhibits more than one, be afraid, be very afraid...
Hits or bullies others.
Expresses uncontrolled anger. however, controlled anger is just fine, just try not to show too much emotion
Has unlawful possession and use of firearms.
Displays intense intolerance or prejudice. We cannot tolerate intolerance and must treat prejudice with extreme prejudice.
Conveys violence in writings and/or drawings. i.e. reads comics books, sci-fi, likes action movies, Discovery channel shark specials... This is the worst for me, I used, and still do use creative expression of violent acts as an outlet for the anger caused by stupid shit like this whole WAVE thing. What can I say, I watched a lot of G.I.Joe as a kid.
Uses drugs or alcohol on campus. Yes, because we all know any drug that doesn't have a trademark, patent, or advertising budget is baaad, bad!
Makes threats. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, don't even think of standing up for yourself, that's for other people to worry about. Oh, and it's not only airports where you can't joke about bombs anymore, now it goes on your permanent psych sheet.
Is easily angered by minor things. Does get's frustrated by people trying to profit off the misfortune and problems of others count as a minor thing?
Keep mail bombing these fuckers, that's my $.02.
Remember we must treat absolutely fucking destroy any all all violent tendencies in order to be safe at school. --
the cartoon network is fun, but I think the Anime Network would have better ratings ('cause I'd rather watch it)
American animation has WAAYYY!!!!! too much Disney influence, from the style to the content, old Walt's got his grubby little fingerprints all over it. Personally I think he was a pedophile, but that's just from seeing film of him, interviews with him, and his life's work.
I'm psyched to see this whole series. I'm having flashbacks about being glued to the screen as a young'un.
I for one, am VERY happy to see stuff like this on the 'Net, it's one of the things it's really good for. Here's to more old TV on the Net! For FREE! (beer). Sit back relax, have a beer or two, and click on a banner when you leave. The Net as it should be.
they should put it on right after DBZ, although screaming "IT"S A GUNDAM!" and killing everything is really fun on Q3A. I actually wrote a paper in college comparing Japanese and American cultures using Robotech and G.I.Joe. I wonder if it still exists....
make it their job. It's as simple as giving business to companies that you feel are socially responsible. It they aren't, don't. Vote with your wallet. Being consistent is the hard part, and a big reason why most companies make no effort, outside the PR department, to be socially conscious. It's also quite expensine. I think it was Marge who said while the Simpsons were looking for a new TV, "I don't think we have the money to buy from a company that has an ideology." (or words to that effect)
Since nothing can grow forever, does this mean that capitalism will fail when it's unable to grow anymore?
I've got some forests that would disagree with you, and a few species. Capitalism can go on, but it needs a market to accomplish this. This is done by replacing old and useless industries with new and vibrant ones. As members of a capitalistic economic system, we need to watch for factors that unfairly balance the market, i.e. watch those who govern us. If you start to make laws to support a market that goes against what the market wants to do, you don't have capitalism any more, or at least not the good kind (and I'm sure some would argure there is no good kind). --
just raise the bar for average intelligence, which is a lot higher than most/.'ers seem to think all ready. Why build a new machine when you already have one to work with that has gone through millions of years of evolution. Even the interviewee, after all his years of research, has concluded that the only way to build a good AI is to build one and let it evolve. --
I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed. I watch those kids and I go, 'Fuck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!' There's a director five feet away going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!' But I'm not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don't send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help? Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SHIT, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, ASSHOLES!" --From an appearance on Rodney Dangerfield's "It's Not Easy Being Me," 1984. --From here --
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Regardless of the exact nature of the code, the simple fact is that something like this has been allowed to exist for so long. And how many of these types of "features" need to be strung together before you DO have a backdoor. Of course this is just one person putting a backdoor in web server software that protects billions of dollars. It has now been done, it will be done again. This is PROOF OF CONCEPT, and that's enough for me (not like I didn't already dislike M$, but this is good fuel for the fire)
Four Years!
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that's some nice work
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Yes, I think /. is a good example of the dangers inherent in a human brain Beowulf cluster. :-0
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Thus, the creator has the right to control their own work.
.sig kinda explains my viewpoint on the whole control issue. The Law can say we have a right to fly, but that doesn't make my bones any lighter. We, now, are faced with the problem of what exactly control is. My solution is to protect the right to profit from protected works, seeing as how distrubution and reproduction have become zero (direct) value operations (at least for digital media). I think our IP/copyright laws need a serious reworking or we're going to run into even more serious problems.
Well, my
And no I don't think anyone should be forced to share their code, or their music, but if everyone takes on the attitude that closed code (or music) is bad, we'd get there eventually. I must admit here that code and music are different, the GPL as it stands would NOT work for music.
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Anything included with a Distribution is fair game for it's bugs, and any possible improvement thought up should be included on the list. I.e. establish the same criterion used with Windows 2000.
No they shouldn't be compared using the same criterion. You are *paying money* for M$ software and should demand it to be vastly superior in every way. As well as constantly improving. Linux is done for a different reason (good software vs good bottomline). It's sad that even though the two shouldn't really be compared, Windows still comes up short.(outside of emulating an arcade)
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not only that, you get to cite MS vs DOJ and say they used their monopoly power to force you to use their software. I can hear the saliva from a million lawyers meandering towards the golden goose that is BillyG.
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There are a large number of stores which have lax security, shouldn't I make use of this infinite resource?
Wow, and these stores have products that you can take home AND leave on the shelf at the same time, amaazing.
Your arguments are all based on the Law. The Law is based on prodcuts with finite supply. MP3s are not affected by scarcity. The Law is wrong. Your argument is wrong.
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Not as easy as MP3s, but hardly "scarce".
Actually compared to MP3s, it is infinitely scarce. You're missing a big point. The difference between abundant supply and infinite supply is a significant one (IHMO, THE significant one when trying to understand New Media). Could you trade tapes with anyone in the world? Did they get perfect copies? That's the difference, infinite perfect copies. The RIAA was able to leverage and control the old scarcity for profit. If they were smart they could leverage an infinite product for profit, but they aren't smart, they're scared and panicking. Panic is poison to rational thought.
(BTW, I loved the water example)
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a couple things
San Mateo, Calif.-based Napster already is the target of a suit by the Recording Industry Association of America, which claims that Napster violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a new law that bars devices that could be used to circumvent copyrights.
Don't you love laws that place ridiculous limits on what the market wants. Or tell it what it wants. The DMCA (at least major parts of it) is baad, baad I tell you.
And then our friend Lars. (who I mean no personal affront to, and am basing this opinion on the story.) Sorry man, you can't have it both ways. (and actually reading it again he may have been taken out of context, it says "publicists for the band and music companies even threw in a statement from Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich."[possibly while stoned, I'm looking at you Cypress Hill])
the quote
Lars Ulrich, who said it is "sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is."
and then followed it up with.
"From a business standpoint, this is about piracy -- aka taking something that doesn't belong to you -- and that is morally and legally wrong."
From an art standpoint, this is about art, using and appreciating something that someone created to reflect an interesting aspect of life, sharing an infinite resource with your fellow travelers.
You're either a businessman or an artist, but never the 'twain shall meet. (in a purely definitive senses)
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if someone at Sony is reading this, realize that by banning the sale of virtual items (which you have the code for, hint, hint) you are damming an infinite revenue stream. But, heh, what do I know, I still play Nethack.
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LOL, were you not aware of your namesake? hehe
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There is this weird perception that I meet all the time: if something bad happens to you, you deserve compensation.
I hope and pray that's it's only in America where this attitude is prevalent. Getting monetary compensation of mental anguish, give me a fsckin' break. I guess that is the result when a society places money as the ultimate achievement. Sad, really, sad..
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If you're interested in making your school safer, three of the best things to have in your back pocket are resolve, respect and responsibility. When we show others respect and determine to resolve conflict peacefully, we lessen the potential for people to become violent. It is also our responsibility to
know what often triggers violent behavior and how we can respond appropriately.
According to extensive research, here's a number of early warning signs of violence. However, it's
extremely important to know that this is not a "checklist" to be used to stereotype anyone. These early warning signs need to be viewed in the appropriate context. They are not to be seen as individual indicators, but when exhibited in combination, are cause for concern. They include:
Not a checklist, but if someone exhibits more than one, be afraid, be very afraid...
Hits or bullies others.
Expresses uncontrolled anger. however, controlled anger is just fine, just try not to show too much emotion
Has unlawful possession and use of firearms.
Displays intense intolerance or prejudice. We cannot tolerate intolerance and must treat prejudice with extreme prejudice.
Conveys violence in writings and/or drawings. i.e. reads comics books, sci-fi, likes action movies, Discovery channel shark specials... This is the worst for me, I used, and still do use creative expression of violent acts as an outlet for the anger caused by stupid shit like this whole WAVE thing. What can I say, I watched a lot of G.I.Joe as a kid.
Uses drugs or alcohol on campus. Yes, because we all know any drug that doesn't have a trademark, patent, or advertising budget is baaad, bad!
Makes threats. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, don't even think of standing up for yourself, that's for other people to worry about. Oh, and it's not only airports where you can't joke about bombs anymore, now it goes on your permanent psych sheet.
Is easily angered by minor things. Does get's frustrated by people trying to profit off the misfortune and problems of others count as a minor thing?
Keep mail bombing these fuckers, that's my $.02.
Remember we must treat absolutely fucking destroy any all all violent tendencies in order to be safe at school.
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that was my point, see my disney post for more details.
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from their "News" page.
9/10/1999 - Animanga Community 'Star Blazers on the Internet'
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the cartoon network is fun, but I think the Anime Network would have better ratings ('cause I'd rather watch it)
American animation has WAAYYY!!!!! too much Disney influence, from the style to the content, old Walt's got his grubby little fingerprints all over it. Personally I think he was a pedophile, but that's just from seeing film of him, interviews with him, and his life's work.
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I'm psyched to see this whole series. I'm having flashbacks about being glued to the screen as a young'un.
I for one, am VERY happy to see stuff like this on the 'Net, it's one of the things it's really good for. Here's to more old TV on the Net! For FREE! (beer). Sit back relax, have a beer or two, and click on a banner when you leave. The Net as it should be.
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they should put it on right after DBZ, although screaming "IT"S A GUNDAM!" and killing everything is really fun on Q3A. I actually wrote a paper in college comparing Japanese and American cultures using Robotech and G.I.Joe. I wonder if it still exists....
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if the gargoyles had torn people apart it would have been a good show, sanitized for 8 year olds does not a good cartoon make.
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make it their job. It's as simple as giving business to companies that you feel are socially responsible. It they aren't, don't. Vote with your wallet. Being consistent is the hard part, and a big reason why most companies make no effort, outside the PR department, to be socially conscious. It's also quite expensine. I think it was Marge who said while the Simpsons were looking for a new TV, "I don't think we have the money to buy from a company that has an ideology." (or words to that effect)
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Since nothing can grow forever, does this mean that capitalism will fail when it's unable to grow anymore?
I've got some forests that would disagree with you, and a few species. Capitalism can go on, but it needs a market to accomplish this. This is done by replacing old and useless industries with new and vibrant ones. As members of a capitalistic economic system, we need to watch for factors that unfairly balance the market, i.e. watch those who govern us. If you start to make laws to support a market that goes against what the market wants to do, you don't have capitalism any more, or at least not the good kind (and I'm sure some would argure there is no good kind).
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just raise the bar for average intelligence, which is a lot higher than most /.'ers seem to think all ready. Why build a new machine when you already have one to work with that has gone through millions of years of evolution. Even the interviewee, after all his years of research, has concluded that the only way to build a good AI is to build one and let it evolve.
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and just chew a few cocoa leaves. Stay awake for days, good energy, bad for everything else.
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Is there *really* any evidence that this *won't* happen?
Just history.
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I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very
depressed. I watch those kids and I go, 'Fuck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!' There's a director five feet away
going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!' But I'm not
trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people
food. Don't send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help? Send them U-Hauls. Send them
U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last
thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if
you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE!
NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM
NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SHIT, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL
TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, ASSHOLES!"
--From an appearance on Rodney Dangerfield's "It's Not Easy Being Me," 1984.
--From here
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