I just got a SBLive card and was looking for how to get it up on Linux. Google sent me to an old/. article talking about how nobody could figure it out, then I saw the date (mid Apr), tried another google link, and was happy.
I just happened to have the right build (and attitude) for football. Soccer was my first love though, and I was a back-up kicker throug-out my career.
My high-school linebackers coach made this comment at our senior send-off "Roy was the first time I had the oppurtunity to coach a Macintosh computer." I muttered something about windows and laughed appropriately. (this was a number of years ago)
Of all the teams I played on I only knew one other serious geek. I really enjoyed the team aspects of sports, especially since I'm so independant normally. And they did help with the subject of this thread, although not as much as some would think.
Opening the API and file formats is the answer that would seem to make all parties happy.
except the DOJ doesn't want to make people tell secrets. They are trying to stay out of the IP morass that could result. I still think a break-up is a good idea. M$ has already lost a lot of ground because of the trial (and others have gained, AOL, Linux, Sun, no?). A break-up (even if they help each other later) will do more to level the field and we'll have more competition and better software/services.
all MS has to do is set up an arrangement/contact with the other new companies and boom, they have everything they need again.
Isn't this a big part of what they have done wrong in their current incarnation? Those exclusive license agreements and shadowy NDAs. When they are 3 differents companies they would have to justify to their shareholders why they haven't ported office over the fastest growing business OS, and won't have the "it's a cometitor to another part our business" excuse. The DOJ just has to watch out for the new companies setting up "Favored Business Partner" status, which, I'm pretty sure, is what they do best.
add me too, or did all of you play college football too?
Unfortunately I still had the shy, can't pick up a clue to save his life, persona until midway through college. Now I work all the time (my real job and hobbies would seem disturbingly similar to outsiders) and just don't usually make the effort.
BTW, Vacations at exotic locales are great for getting laid, but don't do much for long-term love-gettin'.
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I'm not a big fan of M$ (Windows), NBC ((you)MUST SEE TV!!!), or Fox (America's Most Dangerous Police Chasing Animal Fugitive Cops,(they still get props for the Simpsons though, but news?!)).
I think you also underestimate the awareness of the American people.
Not at all, they are very aware...of the things they pay attention to, of the things laid before them. Unfortunately most of us in the U.S. are damn lazy, or are "couch potatoes" common fauna the world over? Most (67%+) basically take what's given them. Many think critically on that info, but don't go beyond it. A good third follow blindly on most things, from politics to light beer. And at least 4.2% don't believe a damn thing. (all figures POMA(pulled outta my ass))
My problem with this (can you ever trust a movie review from AOL again?) and other mass media mergers, ESPECIALLY with non-media companies is the way they limit the stories we hear. In a time when it's not hard to whip up massive agression against big business (Seattle), why don't you see exposes on network TV? Who in the media would think of challenging these companies? Do you think NBC is going to do an in depth report on Microsoft business practices? Will ABC talk about what a run-down boring place Disneyland is, or employ anyone who vocally holds that opinion? Will CNN pick up and run with that fictional story in the future about the guy who raped 647 young girls after he snagged their info on AOL? When media companies can change copyright laws to help protect future earnings (Disney, et all), fight the progress of media technology (RIAA/MP3), perhaps Beck has it right when he says (and you accuse) "MTV makes me wanna smoke crack" (MTV is owned by Viacom who recently merged with CBS, here's a list of stations where you just might hear than hot new song you saw the video for on MVTHV1, and vice versa)
The crux comes in when you realize that most (and more with every mega-merger) of the people who bring you news and information are in league with or owned by people who can benefit from information and news being spun a certain way at a certain time. The job description says to bring you the news, but the contract with the shareholders says to make the most money.
Sorry, went off a bit there, but this is a trend that I fear. I fight it by talking about it, maybe the meme will flourish. Like the one thing I learned from watching G.I.Joe all those years, "Knowing is half the Battle" (hmm, time to change the sig...). Acting is the other half (I don't use AOL, I avoid mass market cinema, I don't watch a lot of TV news but I'm usually on top of things, I have real "Friends", I don't give M$ money (outside the M$ tax))
When the people that bring me my information are more worried about how to make money off that information than delivering it to me, it's time to worry. 'tis another reason I hang out here.
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I think the most compelling thing we'll see out of this is Warner Brother's cartoon characters dominating AOL commercials.
or maybe a review in Time of national ISP's, or CNN ignores a story about AOL's security woes, or a story on AOLNews about how RoadRunner is the *best* way access the 'Net, or major motion pictures about AOL soundbytes (wait a second...). Thats one side.
The only really savvy thing AOL has done right so far, is to spam the general public with their installation diskettes. They are not a threat.
I'd rather not have every new Net user for the next 3 years signs up with AOL. So easy to use no wonder it's number 1, so many disks no wonder it's number 1, so many commercials no wonder it's number 1, and finally, no competitors no wonder it's number 1.
I think it's pretty simple. If a page has what is locally (by country) defined as pornographic material, and does not have the.adt domain name, it is in violation (or what, again, would have to be local law). Redirectors are different and there are tons of ways to get around any digital roadblock, but you can't assume that ALL purveyors of such material would go to lengths to do it. I'm looking for improvemnt, not perfection.
a freaky kind of freak. I'm just throwing out an idea for a starting place of what I consider HARDCORE PORN. I don't want my 4 year-old niece to see either bestiality or big black dicks with pearly white cum. And nowhere have I advocated cencorship, I just think a new TLD would be akin to the RedLight/topshelf/outskirts of town types of places that people find pr0n in the real world.
It is WAYYY to easy to find/stumble across pr0n in our current environment.
Without their technology, we could have quite possibly ended up without such luxuries as a decent graphical interface, or even photocopies until much much farther down the road.
o.k. maybe, but this grafitti one is silly. "Oooh ooh, we thought of the idea to write characters on a digital pad in shorthand to display them on a digital screen." Grafitti is nice, but hardly groundbreaking. If Xerox has all this money to do research, and such great scientists creating stuff, why aren't they applying it? Or are practical applications not their forte?
(not a flame, but the "i thought of it first and want to get paid for not using it" crap is even worse than Amazon's patent adventures)
Mainly I'm talking about hardcore porn, i.e. penetration, oral sex, bestiality, cum-splattered faces, ya'know HARDCORE PORN. I don't think we need to marginalize anything that is R-rated, not in the least, but I think it becomes more clear what is "porn" the farther you go.
Who judges it?
You do. If you find pr0n outside it's expected place submit the URL to the pr0npatr0l (perhaps a division of Internic or a seperate entity) who then check it against an open defintion of standards (displayed on a web page) and then decides on a course of action, leading up to a forced TLD name change if necessary.
The state/country of the sender/reciever?
Yes each country will have to deal with this on its own. Policing the Internet as a global medium is destined to failure, from the massive amounts of resource it would involve, the opaque slippery nature of determined pr0nmasters, and even localized moral and belief systems. There will always be a fringe (just as there is now), but the idea is to move the fringe far enough away from the mainstream as to keep accidental exposure at a minimun.
At what ages do you become an adult? 16/18/21? This is immaterial, I'm arguing for a strategic change, not a tactical one. Under the current system you already have to lie if you are under age, changing this wouldn't matter.
Who is prosecutable and by whom, under which countries laws?
again, it must be done on a country by country basis. It won't be perfect, but improvement is the goal.
This begs the question of a definition of 'XXX material'. Keep in mind that you need a definition that would be acceptable world wide.
Not for this idea we don't
And how would you prosecute? Do you apply the same laws to people in Iran, New Guinea, Tanzania, Burma, Alabama and Cuba? How to manage to get extradition treaties in place?
All you need to get are the names, e-mails of their registrars and the political will to make law. No plan for controlling the Internet is going to work all the way, nor would I want it to. But something needs to be done to silence the "sky is falling so hide the kids" freaks, and this would do it. I'm not even talking about limiting pr0n or controlling access to it, I'm just saying that putting it all into some type of "Red Light Top Level Domain" would help to appease what I see as rational complaints from a different perspective. Locally (by country) it is decided what should belong there. Yes, you will have countries and servers in those countries outside normal channels, but the hope is for improvement not perfection.
and finally Remove the pay per page load model, and I believe a lot of the lower problems will also be solved. Plus, it's easy to takcle the model, as it has *nothing* to do with porn, persay, it's just a business model to refute.
This model was developed BY the pr0n industry as they were trying and defining viable business models. I don't see another one other than direct kickbacks, which still relies on massive traffic to make a few bucks.
(I responded to more than one post here, in the interests of confusion)
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I don't think they would get that bad. The reason why Microsoft is under so much heat is because of the way they handled being a monopoly. Being a monopoly wasn't the point, it was their attitude at being and becoming that monopoly.
Power corrupts, any company in monopoly position gets corrupted (if it isn't already). Monopoly doesn't work with capitalism because...
I don't see TW/AOL imposing restrictions where possible, or imposing hinderances or annoying little things.
Speaking of annoying little things..have you used the download manager with Netscape? That useful little utitily that showed up after AOL chowed Netscape, you know, the one that pops up four ads, requires three clicks to get through and gives you the added benefit of, hold on, downloading files!
In doing so, they'd lose a lot of their market simply because the market wouldn't like it...
That's the joy of controlling the market, the consumer CAN'T go someplace else. Don't like CNN, try Headline News, oops same company, how about MSNBC, doh!, how about FoxNews, hmmm, new bikinis. Choice for media, esp. news has all but disappeared from old media. This merger, if allowed, would make sure for it never to reappear, and could possible make it impossible to ever get that critical mass you need to sustain yourself on the 'Net. If you thought mass media was bland now, wait'll the next century.
And this is all before even beginning to approach the cencorship issues (AOL has a grand record with that), when you control 30% of what people hear or see it's not that hard to lead them wherever you want them to go.
the difference between theory and reality is that in theory, there is no difference.
Anytime you step back from defending free speech, even a little bit, you lose it. Like you said anything less than absolute free speech, is not free speech. I still think the best solution is an adult TLD, maybe.adt. Block it with a browser setting, and any XXX material found outside a.adt site is prosecutable after a 24-hour warning.
And media companies (or gov't) can make up their own news, alter the stuff that does happen, ignore it, or, gob forbid, just report it. With the AOL,TW merger it is just becoming too difficult to trust large media outlets. Almost every story they report on now will have some facet that effects the company in some way. Who can be honest when talking about themselves? Esp, when such talk can move stock and change billions of dollars. Just hope the 'Net can give us some form of news worth trusting.
if you like Civ type games Alpha Centauri is a must have, if simply to see what Reynolds and Meier have done this time. I played it through a few times and now try to avoid it, unless I have tons of time to play. It (a true sign of good games) can make entire evening disappear. The tech is cool, the CGI is nice, there's even some inside jokes about M$, all the different factions are really different and should be played that way, the vehicle design and upgrade app is cool, battle is nice and simple, the voice-overs are well done, and there is a plotline. Tweaking your own type of government is fun. The bottom line is that it is very much a sequel to Civ2, the gameplay is nearly identical, just more polished and with all new stuff (albeit does out in much the same way).
just as a quick reminder (to you and all other that post from within major companies)/. is a VERY public forum. A quote attributed to "a Microsoft Employee" carries plenty enough weight, esp. if backed up by another one. This has happened a number of times for different stories and companies. Just saying, remember where you are, and where a permanent record of what you are saying remains.
I have both the long and short limits set to 0 (I don't like to stereotype:). I checked the pid page (by clicking on the number) and the moderation was something like +7, and then a -1 for Overrated. It was definitely at a 6, first I've ever seen, and at the top of the page (i go highest scores first). Dunno, it's not like the / code has any bugs in it...
seems like growing pains to me. I've been using their machines for ~3 years and their online support (drivers and the like) is top-notch, dunno about enterprise customers tho.
Personally, I don't think people necessarily should have the right to participate in such victimization, and I actually view it as unfortunate that this is covered by the first amendment.
This is what Free Speech is all about. If we didn't have it (or defend it diligently) it would be considered "o.k." for our government to decide what we "should" or "should not" have the right to participate in. Free Speech is a two-edged sword, this subject is the pointy end. (Join Puns for pr0n now!:-)
Hardcore porn keeps a lot of voices from being heard; it's not a liberation thing for the viewer or the viewed.
Some voices you don't want to hear...ooohh!, ooooh!, aaaaah!, yes, yes, don't stop!! (hehe, sorry couldn't help my animal side from emerging)
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I just got a SBLive card and was looking for how to get it up on Linux. Google sent me to an old /. article talking about how nobody could figure it out, then I saw the date (mid Apr), tried another google link, and was happy.
I just happened to have the right build (and attitude) for football. Soccer was my first love though, and I was a back-up kicker throug-out my career.
My high-school linebackers coach made this comment at our senior send-off "Roy was the first time I had the oppurtunity to coach a Macintosh computer." I muttered something about windows and laughed appropriately. (this was a number of years ago)
Of all the teams I played on I only knew one other serious geek. I really enjoyed the team aspects of sports, especially since I'm so independant normally. And they did help with the subject of this thread, although not as much as some would think.
Opening the API and file formats is the answer that would seem to make all parties happy.
except the DOJ doesn't want to make people tell secrets. They are trying to stay out of the IP morass that could result. I still think a break-up is a good idea. M$ has already lost a lot of ground because of the trial (and others have gained, AOL, Linux, Sun, no?). A break-up (even if they help each other later) will do more to level the field and we'll have more competition and better software/services.
all MS has to do is set up an arrangement/contact with the other new companies and boom, they have everything they need again.
Isn't this a big part of what they have done wrong in their current incarnation? Those exclusive license agreements and shadowy NDAs. When they are 3 differents companies they would have to justify to their shareholders why they haven't ported office over the fastest growing business OS, and won't have the "it's a cometitor to another part our business" excuse. The DOJ just has to watch out for the new companies setting up "Favored Business Partner" status, which, I'm pretty sure, is what they do best.
add me too, or did all of you play college football too?
Unfortunately I still had the shy, can't pick up a clue to save his life, persona until midway through college. Now I work all the time (my real job and hobbies would seem disturbingly similar to outsiders) and just don't usually make the effort.
BTW, Vacations at exotic locales are great for getting laid, but don't do much for long-term love-gettin'.
I'm not a big fan of M$ (Windows), NBC ((you)MUST SEE TV!!!), or Fox (America's Most Dangerous Police Chasing Animal Fugitive Cops,(they still get props for the Simpsons though, but news?!)).
I think you also underestimate the awareness of the American people.
Not at all, they are very aware...of the things they pay attention to, of the things laid before them. Unfortunately most of us in the U.S. are damn lazy, or are "couch potatoes" common fauna the world over? Most (67%+) basically take what's given them. Many think critically on that info, but don't go beyond it. A good third follow blindly on most things, from politics to light beer. And at least 4.2% don't believe a damn thing. (all figures POMA(pulled outta my ass))
My problem with this (can you ever trust a movie review from AOL again?) and other mass media mergers, ESPECIALLY with non-media companies is the way they limit the stories we hear. In a time when it's not hard to whip up massive agression against big business (Seattle), why don't you see exposes on network TV? Who in the media would think of challenging these companies? Do you think NBC is going to do an in depth report on Microsoft business practices? Will ABC talk about what a run-down boring place Disneyland is, or employ anyone who vocally holds that opinion? Will CNN pick up and run with that fictional story in the future about the guy who raped 647 young girls after he snagged their info on AOL? When media companies can change copyright laws to help protect future earnings (Disney, et all), fight the progress of media technology (RIAA/MP3), perhaps Beck has it right when he says (and you accuse) "MTV makes me wanna smoke crack" (MTV is owned by Viacom who recently merged with CBS, here's a list of stations where you just might hear than hot new song you saw the video for on MVTHV1, and vice versa)
The crux comes in when you realize that most (and more with every mega-merger) of the people who bring you news and information are in league with or owned by people who can benefit from information and news being spun a certain way at a certain time. The job description says to bring you the news, but the contract with the shareholders says to make the most money.
Sorry, went off a bit there, but this is a trend that I fear. I fight it by talking about it, maybe the meme will flourish. Like the one thing I learned from watching G.I.Joe all those years, "Knowing is half the Battle" (hmm, time to change the sig...). Acting is the other half (I don't use AOL, I avoid mass market cinema, I don't watch a lot of TV news but I'm usually on top of things, I have real "Friends", I don't give M$ money (outside the M$ tax))
When the people that bring me my information are more worried about how to make money off that information than delivering it to me, it's time to worry. 'tis another reason I hang out here.
I think the most compelling thing we'll see out of this is Warner Brother's cartoon characters dominating AOL commercials.
or maybe a review in Time of national ISP's, or CNN ignores a story about AOL's security woes, or a story on AOLNews about how RoadRunner is the *best* way access the 'Net, or major motion pictures about AOL soundbytes (wait a second...). Thats one side.
The only really savvy thing AOL has done right so far, is to spam the general public with their installation diskettes. They are not a threat.
I'd rather not have every new Net user for the next 3 years signs up with AOL. So easy to use no wonder it's number 1, so many disks no wonder it's number 1, so many commercials no wonder it's number 1, and finally, no competitors no wonder it's number 1.
I think it's pretty simple. If a page has what is locally (by country) defined as pornographic material, and does not have the .adt domain name, it is in violation (or what, again, would have to be local law). Redirectors are different and there are tons of ways to get around any digital roadblock, but you can't assume that ALL purveyors of such material would go to lengths to do it. I'm looking for improvemnt, not perfection.
a freaky kind of freak. I'm just throwing out an idea for a starting place of what I consider HARDCORE PORN. I don't want my 4 year-old niece to see either bestiality or big black dicks with pearly white cum. And nowhere have I advocated cencorship, I just think a new TLD would be akin to the RedLight/topshelf/outskirts of town types of places that people find pr0n in the real world.
It is WAYYY to easy to find/stumble across pr0n in our current environment.
Without their technology, we could have quite possibly ended up without such luxuries as a decent graphical interface, or even photocopies until much much farther down the road.
o.k. maybe, but this grafitti one is silly. "Oooh ooh, we thought of the idea to write characters on a digital pad in shorthand to display them on a digital screen." Grafitti is nice, but hardly groundbreaking. If Xerox has all this money to do research, and such great scientists creating stuff, why aren't they applying it? Or are practical applications not their forte?
(not a flame, but the "i thought of it first and want to get paid for not using it" crap is even worse than Amazon's patent adventures)
don't forget they didn't live as long either. 'Course that would change depending on how "past" these past societies are.
Personally I reached sentient thought at the age of 10. I know this 'cause that's when I knew what it meant.
1 at a time...
What classes as XXX material?
Mainly I'm talking about hardcore porn, i.e. penetration, oral sex, bestiality, cum-splattered faces, ya'know HARDCORE PORN. I don't think we need to marginalize anything that is R-rated, not in the least, but I think it becomes more clear what is "porn" the farther you go.
Who judges it?
You do. If you find pr0n outside it's expected place submit the URL to the pr0npatr0l (perhaps a division of Internic or a seperate entity) who then check it against an open defintion of standards (displayed on a web page) and then decides on a course of action, leading up to a forced TLD name change if necessary.
The state/country of the sender/reciever?
Yes each country will have to deal with this on its own. Policing the Internet as a global medium is destined to failure, from the massive amounts of resource it would involve, the opaque slippery nature of determined pr0nmasters, and even localized moral and belief systems. There will always be a fringe (just as there is now), but the idea is to move the fringe far enough away from the mainstream as to keep accidental exposure at a minimun.
At what ages do you become an adult? 16/18/21?
This is immaterial, I'm arguing for a strategic change, not a tactical one. Under the current system you already have to lie if you are under age, changing this wouldn't matter.
Who is prosecutable and by whom, under which countries laws?
again, it must be done on a country by country basis. It won't be perfect, but improvement is the goal.
This begs the question of a definition of 'XXX material'. Keep in mind that you need a definition that would be acceptable world wide.
Not for this idea we don't
And how would you prosecute? Do you apply the same laws to people in Iran, New Guinea, Tanzania, Burma, Alabama and Cuba? How to manage to get extradition treaties in place?
All you need to get are the names, e-mails of their registrars and the political will to make law. No plan for controlling the Internet is going to work all the way, nor would I want it to. But something needs to be done to silence the "sky is falling so hide the kids" freaks, and this would do it. I'm not even talking about limiting pr0n or controlling access to it, I'm just saying that putting it all into some type of "Red Light Top Level Domain" would help to appease what I see as rational complaints from a different perspective. Locally (by country) it is decided what should belong there. Yes, you will have countries and servers in those countries outside normal channels, but the hope is for improvement not perfection.
and finally
Remove the pay per page load model, and I believe a lot of the lower problems will also be solved. Plus, it's easy to takcle the model, as it has *nothing* to do with porn, persay, it's just a business model to refute.
This model was developed BY the pr0n industry as they were trying and defining viable business models. I don't see another one other than direct kickbacks, which still relies on massive traffic to make a few bucks.
(I responded to more than one post here, in the interests of confusion)
I don't think they would get that bad. The reason why Microsoft is under so much heat is because of the way they handled being a monopoly. Being a monopoly wasn't the point, it was their attitude at being and becoming that monopoly.
Power corrupts, any company in monopoly position gets corrupted (if it isn't already). Monopoly doesn't work with capitalism because...
I don't see TW/AOL imposing restrictions where possible, or imposing hinderances or annoying little things.
Speaking of annoying little things..have you used the download manager with Netscape? That useful little utitily that showed up after AOL chowed Netscape, you know, the one that pops up four ads, requires three clicks to get through and gives you the added benefit of, hold on, downloading files!
In doing so, they'd lose a lot of their market simply because the market wouldn't like it...
That's the joy of controlling the market, the consumer CAN'T go someplace else. Don't like CNN, try Headline News, oops same company, how about MSNBC, doh!, how about FoxNews, hmmm, new bikinis. Choice for media, esp. news has all but disappeared from old media. This merger, if allowed, would make sure for it never to reappear, and could possible make it impossible to ever get that critical mass you need to sustain yourself on the 'Net. If you thought mass media was bland now, wait'll the next century.
And this is all before even beginning to approach the cencorship issues (AOL has a grand record with that), when you control 30% of what people hear or see it's not that hard to lead them wherever you want them to go.
the difference between theory and reality is that in theory, there is no difference.
.adt. Block it with a browser setting, and any XXX material found outside a .adt site is prosecutable after a 24-hour warning.
Anytime you step back from defending free speech, even a little bit, you lose it. Like you said anything less than absolute free speech, is not free speech. I still think the best solution is an adult TLD, maybe
And media companies (or gov't) can make up their own news, alter the stuff that does happen, ignore it, or, gob forbid, just report it. With the AOL,TW merger it is just becoming too difficult to trust large media outlets. Almost every story they report on now will have some facet that effects the company in some way. Who can be honest when talking about themselves? Esp, when such talk can move stock and change billions of dollars. Just hope the 'Net can give us some form of news worth trusting.
if you like Civ type games Alpha Centauri is a must have, if simply to see what Reynolds and Meier have done this time. I played it through a few times and now try to avoid it, unless I have tons of time to play. It (a true sign of good games) can make entire evening disappear. The tech is cool, the CGI is nice, there's even some inside jokes about M$, all the different factions are really different and should be played that way, the vehicle design and upgrade app is cool, battle is nice and simple, the voice-overs are well done, and there is a plotline. Tweaking your own type of government is fun. The bottom line is that it is very much a sequel to Civ2, the gameplay is nearly identical, just more polished and with all new stuff (albeit does out in much the same way).
just as a quick reminder (to you and all other that post from within major companies) /. is a VERY public forum. A quote attributed to "a Microsoft Employee" carries plenty enough weight, esp. if backed up by another one. This has happened a number of times for different stories and companies. Just saying, remember where you are, and where a permanent record of what you are saying remains.
I have both the long and short limits set to 0 (I don't like to stereotype :). I checked the pid page (by clicking on the number) and the moderation was something like +7, and then a -1 for Overrated. It was definitely at a 6, first I've ever seen, and at the top of the page (i go highest scores first). Dunno, it's not like the / code has any bugs in it...
what about No?
since when did scores go up to 6? I've been asking for this for a while.
Last I checked AOL didn't offer this
Time to check again. That's what the merger adds.
seems like growing pains to me. I've been using their machines for ~3 years and their online support (drivers and the like) is top-notch, dunno about enterprise customers tho.
Personally, I don't think people necessarily should have the right to participate in such victimization, and I actually view it as unfortunate that this is covered by the first amendment.
:-)
This is what Free Speech is all about. If we didn't have it (or defend it diligently) it would be considered "o.k." for our government to decide what we "should" or "should not" have the right to participate in. Free Speech is a two-edged sword, this subject is the pointy end. (Join Puns for pr0n now!
Hardcore porn keeps a lot of voices from being heard; it's not a liberation thing for the viewer or the viewed.
Some voices you don't want to hear...ooohh!, ooooh!, aaaaah!, yes, yes, don't stop!! (hehe, sorry couldn't help my animal side from emerging)
here's a handy tip:
Click Preferences,
Click "Suppress Stories by John Katz",
Click Patronizing buttton.
Go about your merry way.
The Kama Sutra is a good reason why there are over a billions Indians.