Gaim-encryption plugin violates gaim's license by DIRECTLY linking openSSL to gaim. The simplest way to solve this is to have the plugin call, not link, a helper program that is linked to openSSL (by making a system() call or something similar).
That is why this is not a copyright issue, gaim has not problems in you writing a plugin that uses openSSL, just how it interfaces with gaim (hence a license issue).
I have not read the license included in gaim-encryption, but I believe that it includes an exception clause (allowing it to be linked to openSLL) in the GPL. Gaim does not have that exception clause and it will be too difficult to add it in (the developers would have to contact ALL the source code contributors, past and present, to gaim and get their approval to include theexception clause).
Or to software authors. The author of the gaim-encryption plugin had the best intentions (and he is working on fixing the license issue), however the plugin, they way it is written at the moment, creates the license problem.
Yes, you can use the plugin if you want, but that would be similar, but not quite the same as, using a bootlegged copy of windows. The choice is yours, just don't expect the gaim developers to be happy about you using a plugin that violates their license.
yes, gaim-encryption is under GPL, but openSSL (used by gaim-encryption) is not, it uses BSD...the advertising clause in the BSD license conflicts with the GPL in the Debian's view; gaim uses this interpretation as well.
Follow this link for more information about the openssl/gpl problem.
Sorry about the copy-and-paste, but it is easier thatn retyping everything.
Yes, gaim-encryption is nice, but it's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce.
Using gaim-encryption breaks gaim licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation of the GPL). It has been discussed by the gaim developers and, if asked about gaim-encryption, they will tell you to stop using it (or stop using gaim) until the author of gaim-encryption fixes the licensce issue (he is aware of it, and is working to resolve it).
You mean gaim-encryption? or gaim-e? Two different plugins, two different approaches to encryption.
Gaim-e uses GPG encryption. Currently does not work in 0.6x versions of gaim. Gaim-encryption uses openSSL. Currently is not compatible with gaim's licensce, therefore, stop using gaim-encryption until the issue is resolved.
Gaim's encryption plugins are protocol independant. The only requirement is that both users have to use gaim and the same plugin (gaim-e is not comaptible with gaim-encryption)
gaim-encryption's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce. Until the issue is resolved, you have to stop using either gaim-encryption or gaim. The author of gaim-encryption is aware of the issue and is working to correct it. If you want to use gaim-encryption, wait unitl it releases a version that will not violate gaim's licensce.
Yes, gaim-encryption is nice, but it's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce.
Using gaim-encryption breaks gaim licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation of the GPL). It has been discussed by the gaim developers and, if asked about gaim-encryption, they will tell you to stop using it (or stop using gaim) until the author of gaim-encryption fixes the licensce issue (he is aware of it, and is working to resolve it).
Neither gaim-e or gaim-encryption is included in the gaim packages. They are optional plugins that you can get.
Some distributions include the gaim-encryption plugin and install it as part of gaim. However, gaim-encryption's implementation/usage of openSSL is not compatible with gaim's GPL licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation...see Debian's site for more info). The author of gaim-encryption is working of resolving the issue, and it works with the 0.6x versions of gaim (except version >= 0.65) even though it violates gaim's licensce.
Gaim-e uses GPG, and has no licensce issues with gaim. However, gaim-e currently works on gaim version 0.60. A gaim-e version that works with gaim 0.6x is currently in the works.
Both of this plugins only work if both users are running gaim with the same encryption plugin.
True..however, BCTel (which was bought by Telus later) and Telus, back in the early 90s, started laying fiber cabling whenever they could.
Most of this cabling was not needed at the time, but was installed anyways whenever an oportunity arose (upgrading ditches along the highway? Ok, we will work with you and install some cabling we need. et al).
I have seen them do it, I would not be surprised if most of BC and Alberta are already wired with fiber.
The biggest opstacle at the moment is upgrading the main switches in rural areas to use the fiber cabling.
So at least within BC and Alberta, they already have the backbone installed.
Sort of...I know a friend that only visits a few websites (and amazingly, they are very few pop-up ads on those websites).
She finally got a hotmail account, and had an average of 50 spam messages a day within the first three days of opening the account (and she did not post the email address anywhere). She only gets about three messages (non spam) a week, which gets lost in the spam.
So it all depends on the user, to some, spam is more important problem, to others, pop-up ads.
I mean, without a keyboard and a spellchecker I'm nothing!
The essay, afaik, is to be used to test your level of spelling (hence no spellchecker), grammar and your aility to write a valid essay in one draft. Then I could be wrong about this.
This remindes me of the written option for the TOEFL exam
I used to work at Future Shop (Canada's version of Best Buy before BS bought out FS).
With regards to the $0.01 charge, and scanning of free items, both cashiers/salespeople were telling the partial truth. It is used for inventory purposes (and the system does not allow you to scan an item for $0.00 dollars, hence they charge a penny).
However, in some cases, like the MSN thing (FS did not offer it since it was not available in Canada at the time), the cashiers may not necessarily be to blame IF they were not aware that the customer was also being signed up, since they are just following the instructions set by management *where as the salespeople are better informed about things like this), but I do agree that Best Buy is probably to blame (I say probably because I have never worked for or shopped at Best Buy, my only experiences are with Future Shop).
Way back when I was going to university, we had a lot of unwanted guest (G-7 summit or something like that and a whole bunch of protestors). A friend of mine joked about using an RC plane to carry a home-made bomb and blow up the conference. A small group of Comp Sci and Engineer students sat down and thought about it. Our solution involved a glider (for a stealth approach) and an onboard camera (since we did not want to be near the conference). The only limiting factors we came up with (with respect to the size of the bomb) was the wing span of the glider. The bigger the span, the bigger the bomb, the easier it is to spot.
We never build it, since we did not care one way or the other about the conference (other than the fact that the protestors caused a lot of disruption to our classes), and we became scared of how easily anyone could build one of this things (using readily available parts, components and kits).
It was an eye opener of how illusionary our protection from this sort of stuff was (this was years before the Sept. 11 attacks). We realized how much our safety depended on the goodwill of our neighbours not to use something like this.
And like many posters have said before, anyone with enough education (we were all studying for Bachelor's Degrees) can build something like this, even if the information is freely available.
What about Mexico? Do you think that it is easy for Mexico to be neighbors with one of the richest countries in the world? You work in the States, you take home over $10 a day easily; you work in Mexico and chances are you will get under $10 a day.
Mexicans are over-worked under-paid compared to Americans, and then you wonder why they try to immigrate (legally and otherwise) to the States? The Mexican Government does not have the budget to stop the illegal immigration of Mexicans to the States. They have other priorities to look into, like keeping the country from getting poorer. So no, they do not encourage it, since for every Mexican that leaves the country the government looses taxes that are used to keep the country running).
It is not fair, I agree, Mexicans work hard to try to feed their families on very small wages and the Americans have welfare and unemployment benefits that pays per day more than a family earns in a week.
Anyways, I have ranted and raved enough, I would have commented on the first part of his comment, but some else already did a good job (IMHO).
That is true, I used to see their fliers everywhere until I moved out of Lynn Valley (Hoskins Rd.) and into oblivion (Chilliwack).
I was never able to meet the Broken Saints creators, but I know a couple of guys that do, and the Broken Saints guys are focused and good people. I hope that they are not lured by the dark side.
For those of you that do not live in North Vancouver, Broken Saints gets their funding for their site in two ways (that I am aware of).
1) Donations 2) Every three to four months, a benefit concert is held in the North Shore (aka North Vancouver) with some (if not all) the profits going to Broken Saints. Most of the bands are indies, but there have been a couple of bands that even I recognized (I mostly listen to country, so I am not up to date on metal/grunge/techno/etc).
BTW, I believe that another party is in the works, after/. gets thru with their site:)
It is now. If you read the article posted on the RIAA website, there is a statement made (towards the end, if I remember correctly) that the RIAA AND Universities (probably Colleges as well) have formed an alliance to combat theft of music on campus.
This means that, as long as the University/College (U/C for short) is a member of this alliance, the RIAA is allowed to spy on the LAN of the U/C (just inform the U/C head network admin of what they are going to do and the results).
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Sorry, I guess I was not too clear on my point.
Gaim-encryption plugin violates gaim's license by DIRECTLY linking openSSL to gaim. The simplest way to solve this is to have the plugin call, not link, a helper program that is linked to openSSL (by making a system() call or something similar).
That is why this is not a copyright issue, gaim has not problems in you writing a plugin that uses openSSL, just how it interfaces with gaim (hence a license issue).
I have not read the license included in gaim-encryption, but I believe that it includes an exception clause (allowing it to be linked to openSLL) in the GPL. Gaim does not have that exception clause and it will be too difficult to add it in (the developers would have to contact ALL the source code contributors, past and present, to gaim and get their approval to include theexception clause).
Hope this helps clarify the confusion I created.
Or to software authors. The author of the gaim-encryption plugin had the best intentions (and he is working on fixing the license issue), however the plugin, they way it is written at the moment, creates the license problem.
Yes, you can use the plugin if you want, but that would be similar, but not quite the same as, using a bootlegged copy of windows. The choice is yours, just don't expect the gaim developers to be happy about you using a plugin that violates their license.
it is not a copyright issue....it is a license issue...two different things.
next time make sure your analogies are on topic.
Follow this link for more information about the openssl/gpl problem.
Sorry about the copy-and-paste, but it is easier thatn retyping everything.
Yes, gaim-encryption is nice, but it's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce.
Using gaim-encryption breaks gaim licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation of the GPL). It has been discussed by the gaim developers and, if asked about gaim-encryption, they will tell you to stop using it (or stop using gaim) until the author of gaim-encryption fixes the licensce issue (he is aware of it, and is working to resolve it).
Just my two cents worth
You mean gaim-encryption? or gaim-e? Two different plugins, two different approaches to encryption.
Gaim-e uses GPG encryption. Currently does not work in 0.6x versions of gaim.
Gaim-encryption uses openSSL. Currently is not compatible with gaim's licensce, therefore, stop using gaim-encryption until the issue is resolved.
Just my two cents worth
Gaim's encryption plugins are protocol independant. The only requirement is that both users have to use gaim and the same plugin (gaim-e is not comaptible with gaim-encryption)
Sigh...I will say it again....
gaim-encryption's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce. Until the issue is resolved, you have to stop using either gaim-encryption or gaim. The author of gaim-encryption is aware of the issue and is working to correct it. If you want to use gaim-encryption, wait unitl it releases a version that will not violate gaim's licensce.
Just my two cents worth
Actually the plugin API changed in 0.63, and will change in 0.65; gaim-e has not been working since gaim 0.60 due to moving gaim to gtk2 (from gtk).
However, I am working with the gaim-e author to port it to the 0.6x versions of gaim...hope to have it done this coming week (work permitting)
Just my two cents worth
Yes, gaim-encryption is nice, but it's licensce is not compatible with gaim's licensce.
Using gaim-encryption breaks gaim licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation of the GPL). It has been discussed by the gaim developers and, if asked about gaim-encryption, they will tell you to stop using it (or stop using gaim) until the author of gaim-encryption fixes the licensce issue (he is aware of it, and is working to resolve it).
Just my two cents worth
Neither gaim-e or gaim-encryption is included in the gaim packages. They are optional plugins that you can get.
Some distributions include the gaim-encryption plugin and install it as part of gaim. However, gaim-encryption's implementation/usage of openSSL is not compatible with gaim's GPL licensce (gaim uses Debian's interpretation...see Debian's site for more info). The author of gaim-encryption is working of resolving the issue, and it works with the 0.6x versions of gaim (except version >= 0.65) even though it violates gaim's licensce.
Gaim-e uses GPG, and has no licensce issues with gaim. However, gaim-e currently works on gaim version 0.60. A gaim-e version that works with gaim 0.6x is currently in the works.
Both of this plugins only work if both users are running gaim with the same encryption plugin.
Just my 2 cents worth
True..however, BCTel (which was bought by Telus later) and Telus, back in the early 90s, started laying fiber cabling whenever they could.
Most of this cabling was not needed at the time, but was installed anyways whenever an oportunity arose (upgrading ditches along the highway? Ok, we will work with you and install some cabling we need. et al).
I have seen them do it, I would not be surprised if most of BC and Alberta are already wired with fiber.
The biggest opstacle at the moment is upgrading the main switches in rural areas to use the fiber cabling.
So at least within BC and Alberta, they already have the backbone installed.
Just my two cents
It would be nice, except some of us do not have that many options to choose from (some of us have no options, just one isp).
So while your comment sounds sensible, it is not applicable to all.
Just my 2 cents
Sort of...I know a friend that only visits a few websites (and amazingly, they are very few pop-up ads on those websites).
She finally got a hotmail account, and had an average of 50 spam messages a day within the first three days of opening the account (and she did not post the email address anywhere). She only gets about three messages (non spam) a week, which gets lost in the spam.
So it all depends on the user, to some, spam is more important problem, to others, pop-up ads.
Just my 2 cents
The essay, afaik, is to be used to test your level of spelling (hence no spellchecker), grammar and your aility to write a valid essay in one draft. Then I could be wrong about this.
This remindes me of the written option for the TOEFL exam
Just my 2 cents
I used to work at Future Shop (Canada's version of Best Buy before BS bought out FS).
With regards to the $0.01 charge, and scanning of free items, both cashiers/salespeople were telling the partial truth. It is used for inventory purposes (and the system does not allow you to scan an item for $0.00 dollars, hence they charge a penny).
However, in some cases, like the MSN thing (FS did not offer it since it was not available in Canada at the time), the cashiers may not necessarily be to blame IF they were not aware that the customer was also being signed up, since they are just following the instructions set by management *where as the salespeople are better informed about things like this), but I do agree that Best Buy is probably to blame (I say probably because I have never worked for or shopped at Best Buy, my only experiences are with Future Shop).
Anyways, just my two cents.
I know a lot of soldiers from both sides of the border, and they mostly agree on the following:
1) Canadian Army reserves have the same level of training as the American Army regulars
2) Canadian Army regulars have similar level of training as the American Green Berets.
We do not have the numbers, but we do have quality (at least in personnel, equipment-wise...well, let's not go there).
Oh, and yeah, we do have a Special Forces Unit (similar to the Navy Seals).
My 2 cents.
Way back when I was going to university, we had a lot of unwanted guest (G-7 summit or something like that and a whole bunch of protestors). A friend of mine joked about using an RC plane to carry a home-made bomb and blow up the conference. A small group of Comp Sci and Engineer students sat down and thought about it. Our solution involved a glider (for a stealth approach) and an onboard camera (since we did not want to be near the conference). The only limiting factors we came up with (with respect to the size of the bomb) was the wing span of the glider. The bigger the span, the bigger the bomb, the easier it is to spot.
We never build it, since we did not care one way or the other about the conference (other than the fact that the protestors caused a lot of disruption to our classes), and we became scared of how easily anyone could build one of this things (using readily available parts, components and kits).
It was an eye opener of how illusionary our protection from this sort of stuff was (this was years before the Sept. 11 attacks). We realized how much our safety depended on the goodwill of our neighbours not to use something like this.
And like many posters have said before, anyone with enough education (we were all studying for Bachelor's Degrees) can build something like this, even if the information is freely available.
What about Mexico? Do you think that it is easy for Mexico to be neighbors with one of the richest countries in the world? You work in the States, you take home over $10 a day easily; you work in Mexico and chances are you will get under $10 a day.
Mexicans are over-worked under-paid compared to Americans, and then you wonder why they try to immigrate (legally and otherwise) to the States? The Mexican Government does not have the budget to stop the illegal immigration of Mexicans to the States. They have other priorities to look into, like keeping the country from getting poorer. So no, they do not encourage it, since for every Mexican that leaves the country the government looses taxes that are used to keep the country running).
It is not fair, I agree, Mexicans work hard to try to feed their families on very small wages and the Americans have welfare and unemployment benefits that pays per day more than a family earns in a week.
Anyways, I have ranted and raved enough, I would have commented on the first part of his comment, but some else already did a good job (IMHO).
I just started to read the frist episode, and I found 2 points to be interesting.
1) The include girls. The co-heroes are a boy and a girl.
2) The girl seems to know more about computers than the boy. I guess this comes from secretaries being mostly women at the time.
The pages are a bit slow to load, but it is an interesting read, a flash back to an almost forgotten past.
Cheers.
Just an update, they just had a benefit concert this past month to raise funds to go to the Cannes film festival.
Just wanted to let you guys/girls know.
That is true, I used to see their fliers everywhere until I moved out of Lynn Valley (Hoskins Rd.) and into oblivion (Chilliwack).
I was never able to meet the Broken Saints creators, but I know a couple of guys that do, and the Broken Saints guys are focused and good people. I hope that they are not lured by the dark side.
For those of you that do not live in North Vancouver, Broken Saints gets their funding for their site in two ways (that I am aware of).
/. gets thru with their site :)
1) Donations
2) Every three to four months, a benefit concert is held in the North Shore (aka North Vancouver) with some (if not all) the profits going to Broken Saints. Most of the bands are indies, but there have been a couple of bands that even I recognized (I mostly listen to country, so I am not up to date on metal/grunge/techno/etc).
BTW, I believe that another party is in the works, after
It is now. If you read the article posted on the RIAA website, there is a statement made (towards the end, if I remember correctly) that the RIAA AND Universities (probably Colleges as well) have formed an alliance to combat theft of music on campus.
This means that, as long as the University/College (U/C for short) is a member of this alliance, the RIAA is allowed to spy on the LAN of the U/C (just inform the U/C head network admin of what they are going to do and the results).