Unless you are talking about relativistic speeds, a high velocity round say, a.50 caliber M2 round fired from a Serbu Single Shot will just tear straight through, might shatter and make a bigger hole on the exit. Hit in the finger or something, it'll just rip the finger off and continue more or less straight, and more or less intact (maybe tumbling). Center of mass shots do indeed make big holes. However, you are describing an explosive-tipped bullet for it to spread "razor sharp projectiles in all directions." You are just plain wrong. Mythbusters pool experiment did show something, specifically what bullets do when they hit water. Which is very different than what happens when they hit flesh. A better analog for flesh is ballistics gel.
1. I haven't ordered guns through the postal system but shouldn't there be a system where the postal system knows what is being shipped? It would have been helpful if a postal worker had noticed that a dangerous semi-automatic rifle was being shipped to a D.C. address and notified police. As an example this guy (http://www.joc.com/government-regulation/con-way-freight-helps-capture-alleged-terrorist) was caught because the shipping company became suspicious and notified the FBI. Why was this gun not detected and intercepted?
2. Where are the quality controls on this? There should be a big difference in the shipping weight and dimensions of a flat-screen TV and a rifle. Amazon must have poor QA/QC if they cannot automatically detect a shipping discrepancy and hold the shipment to be checked. This is not that complicated - stores now have self-checkout lines that check the scanned UPC code against the weight added to the bag. Quite simple, except for Amazon.
3. What did the gun store (that was supposed to get that rifle) get? Presumably it was a flat-screen TV, but it considering the poor tracking on this issue by Amazon there could be a whole series of incorrectly shipped items.
4. I didn't know Amazon was in the gun-selling business. However I can't find any high-powered guns on their website (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Sig+Sauer+SIG716). How did this get ordered from Amazon in the first place?
1. It's not an issue about what the postal system knows. Shippers of guns have to get an "FFL info" sheet from the recipient. An FFL is a specially licensed dealer allowed to transfer ownership of guns (across state lines, and in some states between people within the same state, and from businesses that sell guns). Rifles are not any more dangerous than any other hunk of solid matter until someone picks it up and puts ammo in it and tries to use it. It's not a bomb for fucks sake.
2. I am going to guess, the quality control was some shipping dock somewhere where some tard that missed his smoke break slapped a label on the wrong object and it didn't get caught. Someone probably stole the TV, so the "next label" on the printed sheet got stuck on the wrong box. The shipping company probably didn't mess it up, whomever put the label on it did. Nobody wants to ship expensive stuff to the wrong place, but mess ups are inevitable. Especially if someone is trying to cover theft. You should be much more concerned that drugs get to the proper place. Those are more likely to be used inappropriately or taken by children.
3. The original label was under the TV label. The TV was probably stolen. This is not a one for one swap. The gun store got nothing because their label was under the label that sent the rifle to the wrong place.
4. They aren't. They do however sell for various third parties, one of whom apparently shares a shipping hub with another shipper that ships guns. They don't even have to both be selling on Amazon. See #2 above. It didn't get ordered from amazon. The TV did.
You can't legally buy assault rifles, or select fire battle rifles for that matter, if you're a civilian living in a first world nation. Doesn't matter what you might see in the news that says otherwise, go try it at your local gun store and see how far you get.
No, but you can go to a gun show and buy a kit that allows you to mod your gun to full auto. I have two uncles who are gun collectors, and this is no urban legend.
While it was true back in the 70's that type of stuff went on, it isn't now. Gun shows now have sheriff's deputies, ATF, and FBI (both uniformed and plain clothed) wandering in looking for that stuff. It would be very very dumb to sell anything like that. Your uncles are waxing nostalgic about it at best, simply lying to you at worst.
It would be far safer and easier to produce a blow back sub machine gun if one wanted full auto, for that design it's easier to make auto than semi. Modern "sporting" or EBR type rifles are designed to be difficult to convert to auto.
It's also more trouble than it's worth, a semi is nearly as effective and produces a better disciplined set of fire
Full auto is for the few that have cash to blow on lots of rounds that don't do anything but make a lot of noise
Get out and see what is at a gun show. They still have stinky people selling right wing propaganda, but are missing a bunch of things that are now... urban legend.
Amazon sells third party gee gaws and dodads for firearms. (Slings, pouches, straps, sights, lights, mounds, cases, safes, cleaning kits, etc.) They do not sell OEM parts or magazines. So you can get a clip to put a small pistol on your belt that you add to the pistol, but you can't get the magazine or gun you would add it to, or any springs and such for internal parts of the gun.
Not arresting the guy is actually a quite remarkable exception. Normally he'd be busted and added to the knotches on the belt of the DA representing convictions of criminals (not to be confused with ordinary people just caught up in random events), plus, they'd shoot his dog.
.223 / 5.56 (the common caliber for an AR-15) will go RIGHT THROUGH all but Level III plate armor.
7.62 will as well, even better, it'll do that, then go through two more guys plus a cement wall behind them.
Pistol caliber rounds (.32,.380,.38,.357, 9mm, 40mm, 10mm, and.45) and flack are what is stopped by normal soft armor (and to a certain extent, shotgun rounds depending on what type)
You have this exactly opposite. Like all gun grabbers, your facts are based on hearsay and idiot web blogs. There is a dictionary definition of assault rifle, and it includes full auto or burst mode. Full auto guns come in a variety of types, full auto only box fed or belt fed is a machine gun. Semi-automatic box fed is not a machine gun, shoulder fired full auto is not a machine gun either. The defunct ban attempted to ban appearances only, pistol grip, box magazine, rails, collapsible stock, etc. and you have swallowed it all hook line and sinker.
This would work if the CRM database allows more than one instance of accounts to be opened up and worked. The two or three CRM suites I have used (including recently created ones) do not do this. For purely technical questions it would work though. Like, interior tier 2 support for the tier 1 folks.
Just make a new local account, set it also to have admin access, log into it, delete your previous profile c:/Users/username.
Reboot and then re-create your previous account on the machine again.
Uninstall programs you might have installed that weren't company issue, and dig though the likely locations manually and then defrag the thing.
In all, it might take about an hour or two, but you can start on the "dig through likely locations" part weeks ahead.
Gun shouldn't be loaded till you want it to shoot, because at that point there just isn't much stopping it. (Consider the case of the gun getting bumped and falls over, what would it be pointing at? would the gun fire?)
No you moron. Guns made after 1900 or so, and that haven't been tampered with or modified are extremely unlikely to fire when just "knocked over". Even for those with a free float firing pin that's true. Revolver "won't fire until trigger is pulled" safeties are considerably newer, but the BS you see on TV of the gun just going off because someone dropped it are a myth. Glocks, the infamous "gun without a safety" has no less than three independent safety mechanisms that ensure it won't fire until the trigger is pulled. My Beretta has three as well, one of which is a standard safety and the other two worked into the design.(DA and hammer machining).
What is bad about a dropped gun, is GRABBING FOR IT and getting the trigger or firing mechanism activated by the grab. So, like a straight razor, let it fall and deal with the damage.
An unloaded gun for defensive purposes is STUPID. Unload your Bambi killers and curios, but SD firearms are needed right fucking now when they are needed.
Same reason I don't store my gasoline next to my fire pit, some things just aren't supposed to be stored together.
Interesting story, by dad was at someone's house, the guy was showing my dad some guns he had in the closet. He handed my dad a gun to look at. First thing my dad did (what he always does when picking up a gun) was check the chamber. The gun was locked and loaded, if he'd have pulled the trigger, it've shot. The guy was shocked to see that his gun had been in the closet ready to go off all that time, and thankful that my dad didn't just put it too his shoulder and dry fire it.
Yup, and your dad didn't need to own guns for him to be exposed to them. Which is why teaching EVERYBODY the basic rules (one of which is consider it loaded all the time, another is "check the chamber your damn self") is important. This ninny "head in sand" thing with guns is an increase in risks for everybody. You don't have to let your kids handle guns, and you don't have to own them, but you should make sure the kids and you know and practice all the rules.
You forgot "and I will be _completely_ deaf once I use it inside." If you don't hit the perp, he'll be easy to identify because he's the guy digging in his ears and going "WHAT?!"
Buckshot and slugs have comparable overpenetration risks.
Buckshot is considerably more damaging to soft flesh and muscle tissue, and has a much higher probability of tearing open a "DRT" component.
Slugs are for smashing bone and punching through thick hides not often found on humans.
So, slugs in the winter, buckshot in the summer, or just use buckshot all the time to be simple about it.
The only place a slug shines is where you are at a range that the mass-effect of the shot won't apply. Usually, that's outside justified self-defense shooting range unless you are a) living in a bowling alley b) in a gunfight with someone at a distance.
Stick with a decent brand of 00 Buck with a good shot cup and you've got 99% of bases covered.
As a father of young children, I given thought to having a gun in the home. I've concluded that if your reason to have a gun is for safety or defense, then if you can't sleep with it loaded under your pillow it probably can never be used in time to be useful. The problem is that you cannot do this with young children in the home; therefore, what are the alternatives? Some I've come up with, with debatable usefulness might be:
- A dog
- Martial arts training
Of course this is if you don't have the option of moving to a more peaceful location..
You could start by not having children. Nasty, smelly, full of bacteria and viruses, expensive, noisy, takes up a lot of room and keeps you from sleeping, not to mention the environmental destruction it will cause just by existing.
This is more FYI than trying to niggle with you, but most gun deaths are suicides, not crime or accidents. So it is pretty related to whether there is a gun in the house. We could have a discussion about whether you're more likely to succeed in a suicide attempt in a house with a gun, but that's for another day.
In addition, the suicides that aren't done by a gun, don't show up in the balance of numbers. So it's an automatically skewed manner of looking at things to say "percentage of gun deaths from your own gun".
Actually, the problem could greatly be solved by legalizing the most popular drugs. Home invasions to a great extent, are druggies looking to score drugs or money from other druggies. The problem is, unlike the pigs, they don't have ways to look up if the targeted druggie has moved or not. So mistaken "where's the drugs!" invasions happen all the time in the US. In my state alone, it's almost weekly. Granted, some of them are people who actually DO have drugs but destroy evidence before calling the cops....
If drugs could be obtained at the local 7-11 legally, all that activity would go away.
Go look up "Box o Truth" and "birdshot" on Google. There's a guy doing all kinds of tests concerning penetration, scatter, etc. of common guns and you are 100% dead wrong. Summary: anything that can do enough damage to reliably kill, will go through several drywall and plywood layers with enough energy to kill on the other side too. Always be considerate of what is beyond your target.
Safes aren't for keeping stuff from walking off. They are to keep casual goofing off adults and kids out of them. By definition, if someone pried open a lockbox, it's not casual goofing off but "defeating a security mechanism". A kid defeating a security mechanism is determined to get in, and a threat.
Nobody that buys such safes think they will keep the bad guys out. They buy them to keep the good guys out and to make a set of steps the owner has to go through to want to get the guns out that aren't a spur of the moment "grab, fondle". So safes and cabinets prevent accidents, and then help prevent criminal liability after an accident. This is the reason many Fudds use a wooden, glass-front, locking gun cabinet. To keep the kids out by "dad will find out and be pissed" but also to let them go "see, this is my expensive Fudd.243 bolt action bambi-killer!"
They DONT protect against someone determined to get the guns.
That said, buy an appropriate safe for the task. Including measuring who will be around it, know about it, how fast YOU need to get into it, and how capable the people around it are compared to their impulse control.
Journalists can't get "clip" and "magazine" correct. Or the difference between a "web designer" and a "computer programmer." In NO WAY do they have the base education to use any complicated jargon.
They need education that's not colored by a bunch of arrogance or "I write, I don't need to know about that" crap. Ignorance is still a virtue in their eyes because that keeps them from being nerds.
When journalists stop being total idiots, then, they'll naturally start using jargon and it will work fine. Until then. NO.
They would still need to lead into the jargon by a little explanation or context for readers that don't know though.
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To be fair, the article linked to was full of just as much pantywaste hyperbole as the article summary on slashdot.
Unless you are talking about relativistic speeds, a high velocity round say, a .50 caliber M2 round fired from a Serbu Single Shot will just tear straight through, might shatter and make a bigger hole on the exit. Hit in the finger or something, it'll just rip the finger off and continue more or less straight, and more or less intact (maybe tumbling). Center of mass shots do indeed make big holes. However, you are describing an explosive-tipped bullet for it to spread "razor sharp projectiles in all directions." You are just plain wrong. Mythbusters pool experiment did show something, specifically what bullets do when they hit water. Which is very different than what happens when they hit flesh. A better analog for flesh is ballistics gel.
1. I haven't ordered guns through the postal system but shouldn't there be a system where the postal system knows what is being shipped? It would have been helpful if a postal worker had noticed that a dangerous semi-automatic rifle was being shipped to a D.C. address and notified police. As an example this guy (http://www.joc.com/government-regulation/con-way-freight-helps-capture-alleged-terrorist) was caught because the shipping company became suspicious and notified the FBI. Why was this gun not detected and intercepted?
2. Where are the quality controls on this? There should be a big difference in the shipping weight and dimensions of a flat-screen TV and a rifle. Amazon must have poor QA/QC if they cannot automatically detect a shipping discrepancy and hold the shipment to be checked. This is not that complicated - stores now have self-checkout lines that check the scanned UPC code against the weight added to the bag. Quite simple, except for Amazon.
3. What did the gun store (that was supposed to get that rifle) get? Presumably it was a flat-screen TV, but it considering the poor tracking on this issue by Amazon there could be a whole series of incorrectly shipped items.
4. I didn't know Amazon was in the gun-selling business. However I can't find any high-powered guns on their website (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Sig+Sauer+SIG716). How did this get ordered from Amazon in the first place?
1. It's not an issue about what the postal system knows. Shippers of guns have to get an "FFL info" sheet from the recipient. An FFL is a specially licensed dealer allowed to transfer ownership of guns (across state lines, and in some states between people within the same state, and from businesses that sell guns). Rifles are not any more dangerous than any other hunk of solid matter until someone picks it up and puts ammo in it and tries to use it. It's not a bomb for fucks sake.
2. I am going to guess, the quality control was some shipping dock somewhere where some tard that missed his smoke break slapped a label on the wrong object and it didn't get caught. Someone probably stole the TV, so the "next label" on the printed sheet got stuck on the wrong box. The shipping company probably didn't mess it up, whomever put the label on it did. Nobody wants to ship expensive stuff to the wrong place, but mess ups are inevitable. Especially if someone is trying to cover theft. You should be much more concerned that drugs get to the proper place. Those are more likely to be used inappropriately or taken by children.
3. The original label was under the TV label. The TV was probably stolen. This is not a one for one swap. The gun store got nothing because their label was under the label that sent the rifle to the wrong place.
4. They aren't. They do however sell for various third parties, one of whom apparently shares a shipping hub with another shipper that ships guns. They don't even have to both be selling on Amazon. See #2 above. It didn't get ordered from amazon. The TV did.
False. The Sig Sauer 522 is a semi. Just like the one from the article. (It gets good reviews BTW.)
You can't legally buy assault rifles, or select fire battle rifles for that matter, if you're a civilian living in a first world nation. Doesn't matter what you might see in the news that says otherwise, go try it at your local gun store and see how far you get.
No, but you can go to a gun show and buy a kit that allows you to mod your gun to full auto. I have two uncles who are gun collectors, and this is no urban legend.
While it was true back in the 70's that type of stuff went on, it isn't now. Gun shows now have sheriff's deputies, ATF, and FBI (both uniformed and plain clothed) wandering in looking for that stuff. It would be very very dumb to sell anything like that. Your uncles are waxing nostalgic about it at best, simply lying to you at worst.
It would be far safer and easier to produce a blow back sub machine gun if one wanted full auto, for that design it's easier to make auto than semi. Modern "sporting" or EBR type rifles are designed to be difficult to convert to auto.
It's also more trouble than it's worth, a semi is nearly as effective and produces a better disciplined set of fire
Full auto is for the few that have cash to blow on lots of rounds that don't do anything but make a lot of noise
Get out and see what is at a gun show. They still have stinky people selling right wing propaganda, but are missing a bunch of things that are now... urban legend.
Amazon sells third party gee gaws and dodads for firearms. (Slings, pouches, straps, sights, lights, mounds, cases, safes, cleaning kits, etc.) They do not sell OEM parts or magazines. So you can get a clip to put a small pistol on your belt that you add to the pistol, but you can't get the magazine or gun you would add it to, or any springs and such for internal parts of the gun.
Not arresting the guy is actually a quite remarkable exception. Normally he'd be busted and added to the knotches on the belt of the DA representing convictions of criminals (not to be confused with ordinary people just caught up in random events), plus, they'd shoot his dog.
.223 / 5.56 (the common caliber for an AR-15) will go RIGHT THROUGH all but Level III plate armor.
7.62 will as well, even better, it'll do that, then go through two more guys plus a cement wall behind them.
Pistol caliber rounds (.32, .380, .38, .357, 9mm, 40mm, 10mm, and .45) and flack are what is stopped by normal soft armor (and to a certain extent, shotgun rounds depending on what type)
FIFY
You have this exactly opposite. Like all gun grabbers, your facts are based on hearsay and idiot web blogs. There is a dictionary definition of assault rifle, and it includes full auto or burst mode. Full auto guns come in a variety of types, full auto only box fed or belt fed is a machine gun. Semi-automatic box fed is not a machine gun, shoulder fired full auto is not a machine gun either. The defunct ban attempted to ban appearances only, pistol grip, box magazine, rails, collapsible stock, etc. and you have swallowed it all hook line and sinker.
No. You ignorant fuck.
Paging Bomb 20. Bomb 20, please pick up on frequency 4.
This would work if the CRM database allows more than one instance of accounts to be opened up and worked. The two or three CRM suites I have used (including recently created ones) do not do this. For purely technical questions it would work though. Like, interior tier 2 support for the tier 1 folks.
So, the obvious solution is captcha license plates!
Just make a new local account, set it also to have admin access, log into it, delete your previous profile c:/Users/username. Reboot and then re-create your previous account on the machine again. Uninstall programs you might have installed that weren't company issue, and dig though the likely locations manually and then defrag the thing. In all, it might take about an hour or two, but you can start on the "dig through likely locations" part weeks ahead.
I would consider that a gun owner fail.
Ok. So you are stupid.
Gun shouldn't be loaded till you want it to shoot, because at that point there just isn't much stopping it. (Consider the case of the gun getting bumped and falls over, what would it be pointing at? would the gun fire?)
No you moron. Guns made after 1900 or so, and that haven't been tampered with or modified are extremely unlikely to fire when just "knocked over". Even for those with a free float firing pin that's true. Revolver "won't fire until trigger is pulled" safeties are considerably newer, but the BS you see on TV of the gun just going off because someone dropped it are a myth. Glocks, the infamous "gun without a safety" has no less than three independent safety mechanisms that ensure it won't fire until the trigger is pulled. My Beretta has three as well, one of which is a standard safety and the other two worked into the design.(DA and hammer machining).
What is bad about a dropped gun, is GRABBING FOR IT and getting the trigger or firing mechanism activated by the grab. So, like a straight razor, let it fall and deal with the damage.
An unloaded gun for defensive purposes is STUPID. Unload your Bambi killers and curios, but SD firearms are needed right fucking now when they are needed.
Same reason I don't store my gasoline next to my fire pit, some things just aren't supposed to be stored together.
Interesting story, by dad was at someone's house, the guy was showing my dad some guns he had in the closet. He handed my dad a gun to look at. First thing my dad did (what he always does when picking up a gun) was check the chamber. The gun was locked and loaded, if he'd have pulled the trigger, it've shot. The guy was shocked to see that his gun had been in the closet ready to go off all that time, and thankful that my dad didn't just put it too his shoulder and dry fire it.
Yup, and your dad didn't need to own guns for him to be exposed to them. Which is why teaching EVERYBODY the basic rules (one of which is consider it loaded all the time, another is "check the chamber your damn self") is important. This ninny "head in sand" thing with guns is an increase in risks for everybody. You don't have to let your kids handle guns, and you don't have to own them, but you should make sure the kids and you know and practice all the rules.
You forgot "and I will be _completely_ deaf once I use it inside." If you don't hit the perp, he'll be easy to identify because he's the guy digging in his ears and going "WHAT?!"
Buckshot and slugs have comparable overpenetration risks.
Buckshot is considerably more damaging to soft flesh and muscle tissue, and has a much higher probability of tearing open a "DRT" component.
Slugs are for smashing bone and punching through thick hides not often found on humans.
So, slugs in the winter, buckshot in the summer, or just use buckshot all the time to be simple about it.
The only place a slug shines is where you are at a range that the mass-effect of the shot won't apply. Usually, that's outside justified self-defense shooting range unless you are a) living in a bowling alley b) in a gunfight with someone at a distance.
Stick with a decent brand of 00 Buck with a good shot cup and you've got 99% of bases covered.
As a father of young children, I given thought to having a gun in the home. I've concluded that if your reason to have a gun is for safety or defense, then if you can't sleep with it loaded under your pillow it probably can never be used in time to be useful. The problem is that you cannot do this with young children in the home; therefore, what are the alternatives? Some I've come up with, with debatable usefulness might be:
- A dog - Martial arts training
Of course this is if you don't have the option of moving to a more peaceful location..
You could start by not having children. Nasty, smelly, full of bacteria and viruses, expensive, noisy, takes up a lot of room and keeps you from sleeping, not to mention the environmental destruction it will cause just by existing.
This is more FYI than trying to niggle with you, but most gun deaths are suicides, not crime or accidents. So it is pretty related to whether there is a gun in the house. We could have a discussion about whether you're more likely to succeed in a suicide attempt in a house with a gun, but that's for another day.
In addition, the suicides that aren't done by a gun, don't show up in the balance of numbers. So it's an automatically skewed manner of looking at things to say "percentage of gun deaths from your own gun".
Because the "gun deaths" include domestic violence and suicide. Which would occur ANYWAY, just without guns. That "statistic" is a bullshit lie.
Actually, the problem could greatly be solved by legalizing the most popular drugs. Home invasions to a great extent, are druggies looking to score drugs or money from other druggies. The problem is, unlike the pigs, they don't have ways to look up if the targeted druggie has moved or not. So mistaken "where's the drugs!" invasions happen all the time in the US. In my state alone, it's almost weekly. Granted, some of them are people who actually DO have drugs but destroy evidence before calling the cops....
If drugs could be obtained at the local 7-11 legally, all that activity would go away.
Go look up "Box o Truth" and "birdshot" on Google. There's a guy doing all kinds of tests concerning penetration, scatter, etc. of common guns and you are 100% dead wrong. Summary: anything that can do enough damage to reliably kill, will go through several drywall and plywood layers with enough energy to kill on the other side too. Always be considerate of what is beyond your target.
"Why protect a $600 gun with a $15 lockbox?"
Liability.
Safes aren't for keeping stuff from walking off. They are to keep casual goofing off adults and kids out of them. By definition, if someone pried open a lockbox, it's not casual goofing off but "defeating a security mechanism". A kid defeating a security mechanism is determined to get in, and a threat.
Nobody that buys such safes think they will keep the bad guys out. They buy them to keep the good guys out and to make a set of steps the owner has to go through to want to get the guns out that aren't a spur of the moment "grab, fondle". So safes and cabinets prevent accidents, and then help prevent criminal liability after an accident. This is the reason many Fudds use a wooden, glass-front, locking gun cabinet. To keep the kids out by "dad will find out and be pissed" but also to let them go "see, this is my expensive Fudd .243 bolt action bambi-killer!"
They DONT protect against someone determined to get the guns.
That said, buy an appropriate safe for the task. Including measuring who will be around it, know about it, how fast YOU need to get into it, and how capable the people around it are compared to their impulse control.
You are misinterpreting what they mean.
CANT exist, and DONT exist are very different concepts.
You are reading one, and hearing another.
I suggest a little philosophy and linquistics 101 to clear this up, it's a severe handicap when dealing with math, physics, and cosmology.
NO!
Journalists can't get "clip" and "magazine" correct. Or the difference between a "web designer" and a "computer programmer." In NO WAY do they have the base education to use any complicated jargon.
They need education that's not colored by a bunch of arrogance or "I write, I don't need to know about that" crap. Ignorance is still a virtue in their eyes because that keeps them from being nerds.
When journalists stop being total idiots, then, they'll naturally start using jargon and it will work fine. Until then. NO.
They would still need to lead into the jargon by a little explanation or context for readers that don't know though.