The difference between FTP/SMTP and HTTP is that FTP/SMTP are still to this day used for exactly what they were speced out to be used for. File transfers, and mail handling. So even if they are older than HTTP, they haven't aged in the sense that very little is being asked of them beyond what they provide.
HTTP, on the other hand, has been stretched far beyond what it was intended for by today's web. It's stateless and simplistic, yet we that write web applications need it to be more than that. This gives it the sense of being an "aging" protocol. Session management of any form with HTTP is a dirty hack at best, and web applications needs a better answer if they are to expand beyond what it is now. If BXXP can speak to those shortcomings of HTTP, then all the better.
The argument that it encourages saving comes up a lot, and it would be an ironclad argument if sales taxes only applied to purchases that weren't necessary. Purchases that do more than simply preserve a reasonable standard of living (And of course, reasonable is a highly debatable term)
However it simply doesn't work against the new couple situation. It costs a lot of money to raise a child. Ask your parents how much they spent on clothing and feeding you for 15 to 20 years.
If sales tax as we see it today does indeed encourage savings and discourage wasteful consumption, are we to believe that raising a family is an act of consumption that should be discouraged?
Sales taxes are fundamentally flawed. The greater burden of taxation does not fall on the greater income or wealth level. Indeed, it is quite often the opposite. For one example, a newlywed couple buying furniture for a home, or buying the seemingly endless supply of clothes and food for a young child, will always carry a larger tax burden than a corporate manager who purchases relatively little, yet makes twice as much money as the newlywed couple. Does anyone seriously suggest this is fair?
Already we've seen C-Net and BeNews use CorelLinux to represent Linux in general. This disturbs and worries me, and it should do the same to you too.
CorelLinx is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a good representation of Linux as an OS. I barely consider it a good representation of Linux as a desktop, but that's another matter. CorelLinux is based on a version of Debian. Of course, Debian is a superb distro, and my personal favorite, but the fact remains that Debian 2.1 was years old when CorelLinux came out. As just one result, we see them (CorelLinux and BeNews) using XFree86 3.3.
While it could be argued that CorelLinux may be, or may become, the most common 'desktop' Linux OS on the market, this is a remote possibility at this point, IMNSHO, and even if it were argued, I would tend to dismiss that argument as relying on baseless marketspeak. I see nothing good coming from a general trend of using CorelLinux in OS comparisons, benchmarks, or comparisons/benchmarks of applications they run.
I've listened to this debate for what seems like years at this point, and one question I have has never had a satisfactory answer. Why is this such a big deal?
Let's think rationally for a moment. If you wanted to allow easy access to a suite of applications on Debian, but didn't want to go through the hassles of having it offically packaged, what would you do? The answer: Set up an apt-accessible source for the packages. It's easy to do, and it would reduce the task of installing KDE on a system to less than 3 commands.
Add the line to your/etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get update
apt-get install kde-basic-meta-package
It's that simple! I know apt-accessible KDE.deb archives have existed for awhile, rkrusty's to name one, and I've used them in the past with great success. If this were set up and publicized, the issue of packaging KDE with Debian should, imho, go away completely.
I have to stress this, because it's critical people realize it. CorelLinux is not safe to use as a server. Because of the credentials system that Corel came up with, allowing remote logins is actually a security vulnerability. It's not safe. Don't do it.:)
That's fine, but I promise you Linux distros will emerge to cater to the same "dumbned down" market, regardless of if Windows is in all the computer stores. Sort of ironic, isn't it. Users will have a choice which non-choice-providing desktop they will use.
We're not comparing a Linux box like you or I would use with MacOS, we're comparing a CorelLinux -desktop- oriented distro with MacOS.
This means, quite simply, that every daemon running that doesn't serve a desktop user's needs is one more target for a DoS or other attack. Yes, enabling them by default -is- -bad-. Especially on CorelLinux, where the very notion of logging on remotely while a console is logged in can be considered a security vulnerability.
About the only service a CorelLinux box needs to run is samba maybe, for handy file sharing with Windows boxes. Other than that, I can't imagine a daemon that CorelLinux should be running by default. Quite simply, it's not supposed to be a server, that's why they call it a desktop.:)
Well, that's sort of inevitable. The fact that Linux has a better CLI is completely irrelevant to a discussion of a "desktop" OS. Nobody in the Windows or Mac world thinks CLI when they think desktop. And probably rightly so.
If a desktop-level Linux distro does emerge (Corel doesn't thrill me, so I'll wait for somebody else to make one that I'll call a desktop-level distro), it won't focus on daemons, console features, or even window manager selection. It'll provide exactly one window manager, exactly one desktop, etc. It won't bother with any useful network tools like nmap or tcpdump, because the user will never have any need for them.
People actually said that? Geez, that's scary. CorelLinux is pretty disappointing, imho. Sure, it's got a good desktop. But they've done some really nasty stuff. Where to begin? It's based on a years-old Debian distro, and closely tied to a monolithic in-house packaging of KDE (Has anybody actually looked at it? Corel's KDE environment is -one- huge package) It's also a security nightmare. My suggestion: never, under any circumstances, use CorelLinux in a multiuser environment if you care about user security.
Of course, none of these matter when you're trying to be a desktop OS. But they still bother me. Saying CorelLinux represents Linux in general is a misnomer, as far as I care. Saying it CorelLinux uses Linux may be more appropriate.
No, this is not a distro to fear, whether your Microsoft, or anybody else. At best, it'll be a base for Corel to port their apps to, and perhaps support installation on other distros while they're at it.
Corel doesn't want to be a good Photoshop platform, silly. They'll make it a good CorelDraw platform, which they're already working on porting, and a good platform for all their other toys, which you can bet will be ported also, now that they have their own Linux distro.
Painter, Bryce, Kai's Power Tools, Photo-Paint...
This is Corel's dream. They can stand on the shoulders of Linux and have a pre-proven OS with their name on it to peddle all their apps on.
However, your icon theory is a bit alarmist. Maybe it went in the Linux category because 'Corel' and 'Linux' both come before 'Mac'? Or maybe it went with the Linux icon because C-Net listed it first?
But lastly, who cares? Sheesh. What next, will you suggest CNet has a Mac bias because the Macintosh logo on their icon occupies more space than the Tux face?
I don't know about you, but I don't see anybody selling web pads. I'm very much looking forward to a nice wireless pad that I can use on my home 802.11 network.
Is it just me, or have these stats left out some fairly large projects suck as Jakarta and Mozilla?
Admittedly I didn't look through everything, but I don't see Jakarta mentioned under the apache author page, nor do I see mozilla under jwz or Netscape's author pages. Am I blind, or are they?:)
And if they did miss these two, (Mozilla alone is a somewhat massive sum of source code) what else are they leaving out?
Ah.. Well that's depressing. (Curious, this news didn't come back to Slashdot as far as I can remember..)
I do recall @Home cracking down on their customers. For years, I used a friend's cable modem box for mail and a mush, and we noticed @Home mass portscanning their customers on port 80. Not long after that he got a nastygram to cease and desist or be disconnected. So we moved everything to a safer system in record time. For the record, we had been running several daemons off that cable box for four years before @Home bothered to notice.
So who knows, maybe AOL will catch on. But somehow I'm a bit pessimistic. As somebody pointed out, AOL has been put on blacklists before, and obviously it didn't phase them. Maybe ORBS is a more prominent list, maybe not. I'm not very familiar with the background here (AOL doesn't exactly consume my every waking moment)
I certianly hope AOL does get the message, however. God only knows how much spam I get from AOL accounts, yet I can't afford to block them because I need to be able to communicate with customers that only have AOL.
You guessed right. See the w3c for all your HTML specification needs. Personally, it's the only place I go for answers on HTML questions. If it's not in the spec, it's not worth my time.
The current version is HTML 4.01 Or you can glance at the previous version, HTML 4.0
'Descent', even. Searching for 'Desecnt' probably won't yield anything worthy of note.
Linux ports of Descent 1 and 2 already out there
on
Descent 3 For Linux
·
· Score: 2
Granted they're not offical, but they do exist.
Search freshmeat.net for 'Desecnt' and see what you get. Beyond that, SourceForge has a Descent 2 X project in their listings, which may or may not be the same as the D 2 X listed on Freshmeat. I can't seem to connect the two.
Game makers aren't ready to commit to Linux as a platform until they see proof that it can be a profitable market.
Loki is porting games that have proven themselves (And generally, are more intellectual games, but that may just be a coincidence) in the Windows market. Eventually game makers will notice Loki's success, and look into releasing a game on Linux at the same time as Windows.
So even if they're old to you, it's a Good Thing. Besides, the less reason I have to reboot to Windows the better. Right now I only reboot for UT. StarCraft runs in Wine, so I'm happy there.
I know it seems harsh, but this is one reason I'd like to see a username blacklist feature available on Slashdot. The idea doesn't impress me, but it seems necessary now that stuff like this guy is showing up posting advertising spam with a Slashdot account.
Moderating is all well and good, but it won't always catch them before I read a thread. It seems much easier to provide a simple list that I can add 'impulsiveprofits' to, and never have to think about him again.
Look at his profile, he's posted 8 times this week, each one spam advertising.
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The difference between FTP/SMTP and HTTP is that FTP/SMTP are still to this day used for exactly what they were speced out to be used for. File transfers, and mail handling. So even if they are older than HTTP, they haven't aged in the sense that very little is being asked of them beyond what they provide.
HTTP, on the other hand, has been stretched far beyond what it was intended for by today's web. It's stateless and simplistic, yet we that write web applications need it to be more than that. This gives it the sense of being an "aging" protocol. Session management of any form with HTTP is a dirty hack at best, and web applications needs a better answer if they are to expand beyond what it is now. If BXXP can speak to those shortcomings of HTTP, then all the better.
Get this. Oregon's tax brackets haven't changed in 80 years. Bit of trivia. :)
The argument that it encourages saving comes up a lot, and it would be an ironclad argument if sales taxes only applied to purchases that weren't necessary. Purchases that do more than simply preserve a reasonable standard of living (And of course, reasonable is a highly debatable term)
However it simply doesn't work against the new couple situation. It costs a lot of money to raise a child. Ask your parents how much they spent on clothing and feeding you for 15 to 20 years.
If sales tax as we see it today does indeed encourage savings and discourage wasteful consumption, are we to believe that raising a family is an act of consumption that should be discouraged?
This is, of course, flamebait. Enjoy.
Sales taxes are fundamentally flawed. The greater burden of taxation does not fall on the greater income or wealth level. Indeed, it is quite often the opposite. For one example, a newlywed couple buying furniture for a home, or buying the seemingly endless supply of clothes and food for a young child, will always carry a larger tax burden than a corporate manager who purchases relatively little, yet makes twice as much money as the newlywed couple. Does anyone seriously suggest this is fair?
Already we've seen C-Net and BeNews use CorelLinux to represent Linux in general. This disturbs and worries me, and it should do the same to you too.
CorelLinx is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a good representation of Linux as an OS. I barely consider it a good representation of Linux as a desktop, but that's another matter. CorelLinux is based on a version of Debian. Of course, Debian is a superb distro, and my personal favorite, but the fact remains that Debian 2.1 was years old when CorelLinux came out. As just one result, we see them (CorelLinux and BeNews) using XFree86 3.3.
While it could be argued that CorelLinux may be, or may become, the most common 'desktop' Linux OS on the market, this is a remote possibility at this point, IMNSHO, and even if it were argued, I would tend to dismiss that argument as relying on baseless marketspeak. I see nothing good coming from a general trend of using CorelLinux in OS comparisons, benchmarks, or comparisons/benchmarks of applications they run.
Since this came up..
Check out MozGlade a handy way to get your hands on the mozilla engine without having to use the big app.
Let's think rationally for a moment. If you wanted to allow easy access to a suite of applications on Debian, but didn't want to go through the hassles of having it offically packaged, what would you do? The answer: Set up an apt-accessible source for the packages. It's easy to do, and it would reduce the task of installing KDE on a system to less than 3 commands.
It's that simple! I know apt-accessible KDE
I have to stress this, because it's critical people realize it. CorelLinux is not safe to use as a server. Because of the credentials system that Corel came up with, allowing remote logins is actually a security vulnerability. It's not safe. Don't do it. :)
That's fine, but I promise you Linux distros will emerge to cater to the same "dumbned down" market, regardless of if Windows is in all the computer stores. Sort of ironic, isn't it. Users will have a choice which non-choice-providing desktop they will use.
We're not comparing a Linux box like you or I would use with MacOS, we're comparing a CorelLinux -desktop- oriented distro with MacOS.
:)
This means, quite simply, that every daemon running that doesn't serve a desktop user's needs is one more target for a DoS or other attack. Yes, enabling them by default -is- -bad-. Especially on CorelLinux, where the very notion of logging on remotely while a console is logged in can be considered a security vulnerability.
About the only service a CorelLinux box needs to run is samba maybe, for handy file sharing with Windows boxes. Other than that, I can't imagine a daemon that CorelLinux should be running by default. Quite simply, it's not supposed to be a server, that's why they call it a desktop.
Well, that's sort of inevitable. The fact that Linux has a better CLI is completely irrelevant to a discussion of a "desktop" OS. Nobody in the Windows or Mac world thinks CLI when they think desktop. And probably rightly so.
If a desktop-level Linux distro does emerge (Corel doesn't thrill me, so I'll wait for somebody else to make one that I'll call a desktop-level distro), it won't focus on daemons, console features, or even window manager selection. It'll provide exactly one window manager, exactly one desktop, etc. It won't bother with any useful network tools like nmap or tcpdump, because the user will never have any need for them.
People actually said that? Geez, that's scary. CorelLinux is pretty disappointing, imho. Sure, it's got a good desktop. But they've done some really nasty stuff. Where to begin? It's based on a years-old Debian distro, and closely tied to a monolithic in-house packaging of KDE (Has anybody actually looked at it? Corel's KDE environment is -one- huge package) It's also a security nightmare. My suggestion: never, under any circumstances, use CorelLinux in a multiuser environment if you care about user security.
Of course, none of these matter when you're trying to be a desktop OS. But they still bother me. Saying CorelLinux represents Linux in general is a misnomer, as far as I care. Saying it CorelLinux uses Linux may be more appropriate.
No, this is not a distro to fear, whether your Microsoft, or anybody else. At best, it'll be a base for Corel to port their apps to, and perhaps support installation on other distros while they're at it.
Corel doesn't want to be a good Photoshop platform, silly. They'll make it a good CorelDraw platform, which they're already working on porting, and a good platform for all their other toys, which you can bet will be ported also, now that they have their own Linux distro.
Painter, Bryce, Kai's Power Tools, Photo-Paint...
This is Corel's dream. They can stand on the shoulders of Linux and have a pre-proven OS with their name on it to peddle all their apps on.
Sure there's a bias. This is Slashdot, after all.
However, your icon theory is a bit alarmist. Maybe it went in the Linux category because 'Corel' and 'Linux' both come before 'Mac'? Or maybe it went with the Linux icon because C-Net listed it first?
But lastly, who cares? Sheesh. What next, will you suggest CNet has a Mac bias because the Macintosh logo on their icon occupies more space than the Tux face?
Did Napster add advertising space to their Windows client when I wasn't looking? Where exactly do you see them making money on piracy?
I don't know about you, but I don't see anybody selling web pads. I'm very much looking forward to a nice wireless pad that I can use on my home 802.11 network.
Is it just me, or have these stats left out some fairly large projects suck as Jakarta and Mozilla?
:)
Admittedly I didn't look through everything, but I don't see Jakarta mentioned under the apache author page, nor do I see mozilla under jwz or Netscape's author pages. Am I blind, or are they?
And if they did miss these two, (Mozilla alone is a somewhat massive sum of source code) what else are they leaving out?
> why don't they make the GUI skinnable?
I believe what you're after is ChromeZone.
Mozilla is much more than just skinnable. Read up on XUL for more information.
Ah.. Well that's depressing. (Curious, this news didn't come back to Slashdot as far as I can remember..)
I do recall @Home cracking down on their customers. For years, I used a friend's cable modem box for mail and a mush, and we noticed @Home mass portscanning their customers on port 80. Not long after that he got a nastygram to cease and desist or be disconnected. So we moved everything to a safer system in record time. For the record, we had been running several daemons off that cable box for four years before @Home bothered to notice.
So who knows, maybe AOL will catch on. But somehow I'm a bit pessimistic. As somebody pointed out, AOL has been put on blacklists before, and obviously it didn't phase them. Maybe ORBS is a more prominent list, maybe not. I'm not very familiar with the background here (AOL doesn't exactly consume my every waking moment)
I certianly hope AOL does get the message, however. God only knows how much spam I get from AOL accounts, yet I can't afford to block them because I need to be able to communicate with customers that only have AOL.
You guessed right. See the w3c for all your HTML specification needs. Personally, it's the only place I go for answers on HTML questions. If it's not in the spec, it's not worth my time.
The current version is HTML 4.01
Or you can glance at the previous version, HTML 4.0
'Descent', even. Searching for 'Desecnt' probably won't yield anything worthy of note.
Granted they're not offical, but they do exist.
Search freshmeat.net for 'Desecnt' and see what you get. Beyond that, SourceForge has a Descent 2 X project in their listings, which may or may not be the same as the D 2 X listed on Freshmeat. I can't seem to connect the two.
Game makers aren't ready to commit to Linux as a platform until they see proof that it can be a profitable market.
Loki is porting games that have proven themselves (And generally, are more intellectual games, but that may just be a coincidence) in the Windows market. Eventually game makers will notice Loki's success, and look into releasing a game on Linux at the same time as Windows.
So even if they're old to you, it's a Good Thing. Besides, the less reason I have to reboot to Windows the better. Right now I only reboot for UT. StarCraft runs in Wine, so I'm happy there.
I know it seems harsh, but this is one reason I'd like to see a username blacklist feature available on Slashdot. The idea doesn't impress me, but it seems necessary now that stuff like this guy is showing up posting advertising spam with a Slashdot account.
Moderating is all well and good, but it won't always catch them before I read a thread. It seems much easier to provide a simple list that I can add 'impulsiveprofits' to, and never have to think about him again.
Look at his profile, he's posted 8 times this week, each one spam advertising.