The X Server and the twm window manager consume less memory then the CE explorer. The Linux kernel also consumes less memory then that of the CE kernel, whcih leads to an overall reduction in memory usage over that of CE using CE's explorer..
So what you're still saying is that:
The X Windows GUI consumes less memory than WinCE with an App running on top of it?
TWM is a Window Manager. Get a real app running on top of that and then you can make the comparison between that and CE with a real app running on it (namely: explorer).
Also, presumably you have some hard data to back up your theory?
They had a look "under the hood" of the Virtual Machine only to discover that it looked *strangely* just like MS's Java VM. Apparently they changed the variable/function names but the programmer who was taking a look said the code itself looked the same. They commented that they could actually run Java code on the system without problems, providing it didn't refer to any of the special Java class libraries.
Uhuh... right...
The runtime for.net is NOT the same as the Java VM; it's not even the same codebase. It was a completely different team who didn't use any of the JVM code.
Readings don't pay as much as you might think. And most authors don't get to perform them -- only a select few big names. Same goes for musicians. Their only income source from their art is through the sales market.
what about a place like Recycle Records here in Denver? I can go up to them, and sell my CD to them for, say $6. I can also buy CD's that other people have sold to them. The artists aren't making any money off these transactions. If all i'm doing is paying for a "site license" for my music, why am i allowed this particular courtesy?
You're selling your license to listen to that music. In much the same way, you can do the same with software. Or books.
When you talk about ripping a song to mp3 and then redistributing it, you're talking about intellectual property...a concept that is, basically, dumb. Are you paying for that CD, the right to do with it as you wish? Are you paying for the right to listen to that CD? Does the CD actually belong to you in that instance? What if i were to give that CD to a friend? what then? Everything get's convoluded with IP...and it's just crap. Pay the artist for a service, not for an idea.
You're paying for the right to listen to it. That's all. That's how IP works - without an explicit contract assigning copyright to you, all you can do legally is read/listen/use that material - you can't redistribute it.
Everything get's convoluded with IP...and it's just crap. Pay the artist for a service, not for an idea.
So presumably, if an idea takes months to come to fruition, it's not worth anything to you? Say you spent two years coming up with a novel? Is it then worthless? (in the material, monetary sense). How do you provide a "service" then?
Would you care to suggest what "services" an artist/writer could provide as an alternative to the current model?
let me guess. you're a white heterosexual man, right? never been mugged for coming out of a "wrong" club or feared for your life because of the color of your skin?
Actually, taking your example one step further... I fit the description above, and have feared for my life because of the color of my skin.:)
Though I must admit to feeling ambivalent about the concept of tearing down hate sites -- there's freedom of speech on the one hand, and then there's the fact that they're completely warped and fucked up on the other.
You wrote:
redistributing credit card numbers == redistribution of stolen goods.
... and then you wrote...
I think it's fair use to distribute copyrighted material for non-commercial purposes. Why does a larger scale make bootlegging any diferent?
Don't you feel at least a little hypocritical putting both of these sentences together in the same post?
Believe it or not, but the redistribution of copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner is THEFT. Therefore you are dealing in stolen goods.
It's no secret that they are much better at buying and extending than they are at innovating. And actually not everything that buy and extend sucks.. IE for example is much better than any other browser I've ever tried.
And there's actually little or no Spyglass code left in IE today.
Wasn't that a big sticking point in the trial? I seem to recall something about the CEO from Compaq on the stand testifying that MS had forced them to buy a copy of Windows for every computer they shipped, regardless of what OS was on it.
If that were true, MS wouldn't even be able to appeal at the moment; they'd be in clear violation of the Consent Decree.
I'm impressed that MS would try to pull this while their case is waiting for an appeal.
What do you think they're trying to pull?
It would appear to be clear:
(1) Someone buys computers. They come with Windows.
(2) Someone else gets MS Select license. They come with Windows.
Solution?
Fire one or the other of these people; or at least have them report to some kind of purchasing manager, so that only one copy of Windows (with the Select license) is being bought.
It's just basic stupidity on the part of the people who are getting two copies of Windows. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's not MS being a "bad guy" no matter how much uninformed ranting on Slashdot claims it is in this instance. It's just some muppet with a checkbook and no brains, left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, who is reaming his own company by not buying ONE Windows license and one license only.
something called "shell scripts" that kicks the "crap" out of "everything" else MS has to "offer." Loser.
As I sit here massaging a perl script (which could be REXX, or even VBscript if I wanted), I have to disagree. Windows has them -- and you can control most applications with them too.
Ever read up on "Windows Scripting Host"? I suggest you try.
You only get redirected after login; and that "one address" (the law one) would appear to be running both Apache and IIS SIMULTANEOUSLY depending on when you ping it. So it's obviously a subcluster.
My career was in network-operating system support. That is now over, due to everyone switching to MS for the network, and my skills not being needed.
I've now had to take a pay cut and in the past 2 years havn't found anyone that really appreciates my skills. My life has suffered, and it is all Microsoft's fault.
Change careers - you're obviously not cut out to have a job in an industry where you're required to learn brand new things every day throughout your entire career.
oh, don't be such a fag. the os is designed to use a one button mouse. just because other os's aren't designed as elegantly, there's no need for you to get your panties in a bunch.
Which is presumably why Option + Mouse Button does the same thing as a right-mouse button does everywhere else in the world, right?
I should have been more clear. Those parts of the brain, to whatever extent they are still in use, are responsible only for bad elements of human behavior such as territorialism and mating instincts. This is probably an example of such.
Hmmm... guess you're not in touch with your chemical side. Pheromones are wonderful things. And get rid of the Limbic and R-Complex systems, and you get rid of a lot of emotions. Life would be a lot less rich without them - unless of course, being humorless, emotionless androids (or borg if you prefer) is your idea of the pinnacle of human evolution.
Yup. Obviously if it cost a lot of money to make, and can make other people lots of money, it _must_ be good!
Same argument applies to Linux - lots of people to make, and can make lots of other people money, therefore it must be good. Just as long as it's not making the people who created it lots of money, it's all fine and dandy, right?
Go home, Microserf.
Oooh... I bet that stung. Couldn't you come up with a better insult? Or at least put a $ sign in the "Micro$erf"?
Tried saving unix file permissions in a.zip file?.. my case rests. Just because you don't know what to do with them doesn't mean they are not useful for other people. Also gzip, IIRC, as in what the tar (TApe Archive for the REALLY un-clued) is passed through to compress it, has a higher compression ratio than Zip compression.
Depends on how you compress it. Images shouldn't be compressed anyway - not if they're GIF or JPG - you gain nothing.
Frankly, I already know how to use tar and gzip - in fact, I can use Winzip to do the same thing if I want to (which is convenient).
The permissions argument is a useless one for this particular instance anyway. Images don't need them. Documents don't need them. And that's what most people use Zip for.
Where'd this 'many many more people use zip' comment come from?? obviously in windows-land they do.. that's plainly obvious.
ZIP is available on Unix. JAR files use Zip compression. More people use Windows on a day to day basis - including surfing from work - than would be likely to have access to Tar and Gzip.
they used a free compression format. I hate it when some company creates ZIPs of everything, which have to be unzipped, but they don't get created in their own directory then Oh No!! my directory has 50 new files in it!!
What's even worse is that Corel's WordPerfect 8 for Linux used DOS print drivers; the drivers you downloaded off their site were self-extracting EXE's. Morons. I should've used wine.
Zip is a free compression format, you moron.
Learn to use options and you'll get all the files dumped in the right directories (clue: -D works)
Many many more people use Zip than use tgz - I don't know why anybody bothers with tgz any more - especially for wide distribution. Most people don't know what to do with them.
Fortunately, Winzip handles them just fine. I registered my copy - did you?
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Microsoft is working ... to port their apps to Linux
And in the anti-virus industry, there was MUCH rejoicing...
Where have you been? Most anti-virus vendors started porting to Linux in December 99.
Simon
The X Server and the twm window manager consume less memory then the CE explorer. The Linux kernel also consumes less memory then that of the CE kernel, whcih leads to an overall reduction in memory usage over that of CE using CE's explorer..
So what you're still saying is that:
The X Windows GUI consumes less memory than WinCE with an App running on top of it?
TWM is a Window Manager. Get a real app running on top of that and then you can make the comparison between that and CE with a real app running on it (namely: explorer).
Also, presumably you have some hard data to back up your theory?
Simon
What's hearsay? My comment or the other guy's?
.net team? (Clue: Not him).
Which of the two of us worked on the
Simon
XFree86 4.0 is even better at memory managment, and, while running under the iPaq, actually consumes *LESS* system resources then CE's explorer.
So you're saying that the GUI takes up less resources on X than an app running on Windows CE?
Say it ain't so!
How about telling comparing X with how much system resources *the GUI* takes up under CE instead of an app running on top of it?
Simon
They had a look "under the hood" of the Virtual Machine only to discover that it looked *strangely* just like MS's Java VM. Apparently they changed the variable/function names but the programmer who was taking a look said the code itself looked the same. They commented that they could actually run Java code on the system without problems, providing it didn't refer to any of the special Java class libraries.
.net is NOT the same as the Java VM; it's not even the same codebase. It was a completely different team who didn't use any of the JVM code.
Uhuh... right...
The runtime for
Simon
Also, hiding DOS gives them the ability to spin the media nicely: "The first Windows without DOS." I bet that works very well.
That would have been Windows NT, chum.
Simon
Readings don't pay as much as you might think. And most authors don't get to perform them -- only a select few big names. Same goes for musicians. Their only income source from their art is through the sales market.
what about a place like Recycle Records here in Denver? I can go up to them, and sell my CD to them for, say $6. I can also buy CD's that other people have sold to them. The artists aren't making any money off these transactions. If all i'm doing is paying for a "site license" for my music, why am i allowed this particular courtesy?
You're selling your license to listen to that music. In much the same way, you can do the same with software. Or books.
Simon
When you talk about ripping a song to mp3 and then redistributing it, you're talking about intellectual property...a concept that is, basically, dumb. Are you paying for that CD, the right to do with it as you wish? Are you paying for the right to listen to that CD? Does the CD actually belong to you in that instance? What if i were to give that CD to a friend? what then? Everything get's convoluded with IP...and it's just crap. Pay the artist for a service, not for an idea.
You're paying for the right to listen to it. That's all. That's how IP works - without an explicit contract assigning copyright to you, all you can do legally is read/listen/use that material - you can't redistribute it.
Everything get's convoluded with IP...and it's just crap. Pay the artist for a service, not for an idea.
So presumably, if an idea takes months to come to fruition, it's not worth anything to you? Say you spent two years coming up with a novel? Is it then worthless? (in the material, monetary sense). How do you provide a "service" then?
Would you care to suggest what "services" an artist/writer could provide as an alternative to the current model?
Simon
let me guess. you're a white heterosexual man, right? never been mugged for coming out of a "wrong" club or feared for your life because of the color of your skin?
:)
Actually, taking your example one step further... I fit the description above, and have feared for my life because of the color of my skin.
Though I must admit to feeling ambivalent about the concept of tearing down hate sites -- there's freedom of speech on the one hand, and then there's the fact that they're completely warped and fucked up on the other.
Simon
You wrote:
...
redistributing credit card numbers == redistribution of stolen goods.
... and then you wrote
I think it's fair use to distribute copyrighted material for non-commercial purposes. Why does a larger scale make bootlegging any diferent?
Don't you feel at least a little hypocritical putting both of these sentences together in the same post?
Believe it or not, but the redistribution of copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright owner is THEFT. Therefore you are dealing in stolen goods.
Simon
It's no secret that they are much better at buying and extending than they are at innovating. And actually not everything that buy and extend sucks.. IE for example is much better than any other browser I've ever tried.
And there's actually little or no Spyglass code left in IE today.
Simon
Wasn't that a big sticking point in the trial? I seem to recall something about the CEO from Compaq on the stand testifying that MS had forced them to buy a copy of Windows for every computer they shipped, regardless of what OS was on it.
If that were true, MS wouldn't even be able to appeal at the moment; they'd be in clear violation of the Consent Decree.
SImon
I'm impressed that MS would try to pull this while their case is waiting for an appeal.
What do you think they're trying to pull?
It would appear to be clear:
(1) Someone buys computers. They come with Windows.
(2) Someone else gets MS Select license. They come with Windows.
Solution?
Fire one or the other of these people; or at least have them report to some kind of purchasing manager, so that only one copy of Windows (with the Select license) is being bought.
It's just basic stupidity on the part of the people who are getting two copies of Windows. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's not MS being a "bad guy" no matter how much uninformed ranting on Slashdot claims it is in this instance. It's just some muppet with a checkbook and no brains, left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, who is reaming his own company by not buying ONE Windows license and one license only.
Sheesh.
Simon
something called "shell scripts" that kicks the "crap" out of "everything" else MS has to "offer." Loser.
As I sit here massaging a perl script (which could be REXX, or even VBscript if I wanted), I have to disagree. Windows has them -- and you can control most applications with them too.
Ever read up on "Windows Scripting Host"? I suggest you try.
Simon
You only get redirected after login; and that "one address" (the law one) would appear to be running both Apache and IIS SIMULTANEOUSLY depending on when you ping it. So it's obviously a subcluster.
Simon
My career was in network-operating system support. That is now over, due to everyone switching to MS for the network, and my skills not being needed.
I've now had to take a pay cut and in the past 2 years havn't found anyone that really appreciates my skills. My life has suffered, and it is all Microsoft's fault.
Change careers - you're obviously not cut out to have a job in an industry where you're required to learn brand new things every day throughout your entire career.
Simon
And how, pray tell, is Linux "so much ahead" in the area of producing 'scripting applications'?
Simon
Millennium Dome & Millennium Wheel, Greenwich, London.
I ran the same experiment, but used www.hotmail.com for the hostname rather than the one that you selected (how did you come up with that one?)
You're scanning the login page - he's scanning the cluster which handles the inbox, composition, posting, etc etc. The actual email servers.
Simon
oh, don't be such a fag. the os is designed to use a one button mouse. just because other os's aren't designed as elegantly, there's no need for you to get your panties in a bunch.
Which is presumably why Option + Mouse Button does the same thing as a right-mouse button does everywhere else in the world, right?
Face it - they goofed.
Simon
And I don't think a competent programmer would mouth off and make promises that big without having a product on the table.
A competent hacker would, though. It's all about ego.
Simon
I should have been more clear. Those parts of the brain, to whatever extent they are still in use, are responsible only for bad elements of human behavior such as territorialism and mating instincts. This is probably an example of such.
Hmmm... guess you're not in touch with your chemical side. Pheromones are wonderful things. And get rid of the Limbic and R-Complex systems, and you get rid of a lot of emotions. Life would be a lot less rich without them - unless of course, being humorless, emotionless androids (or borg if you prefer) is your idea of the pinnacle of human evolution.
Simon
Yup. Obviously if it cost a lot of money to make, and can make other people lots of money, it _must_ be good!
Same argument applies to Linux - lots of people to make, and can make lots of other people money, therefore it must be good. Just as long as it's not making the people who created it lots of money, it's all fine and dandy, right?
Go home, Microserf.
Oooh... I bet that stung. Couldn't you come up with a better insult? Or at least put a $ sign in the "Micro$erf"?
Simon
Okay, I'll bite at the troll post..
.zip file? .. my case rests. Just because you don't know what to do with them doesn't mean they are not useful for other people. Also gzip, IIRC, as in what the tar (TApe Archive for the REALLY un-clued) is passed through to compress it, has a higher compression ratio than Zip compression.
Hey, who's trolling?
Tried saving unix file permissions in a
Depends on how you compress it. Images shouldn't be compressed anyway - not if they're GIF or JPG - you gain nothing.
Frankly, I already know how to use tar and gzip - in fact, I can use Winzip to do the same thing if I want to (which is convenient).
The permissions argument is a useless one for this particular instance anyway. Images don't need them. Documents don't need them. And that's what most people use Zip for.
Where'd this 'many many more people use zip' comment come from?? obviously in windows-land they do.. that's plainly obvious.
ZIP is available on Unix.
JAR files use Zip compression.
More people use Windows on a day to day basis - including surfing from work - than would be likely to have access to Tar and Gzip.
Simon
they used a free compression format. I hate it when some company creates ZIPs of everything, which have to be unzipped, but they don't get created in their own directory then Oh No!! my directory has 50 new files in it!!
What's even worse is that Corel's WordPerfect 8 for Linux used DOS print drivers; the drivers you downloaded off their site were self-extracting EXE's. Morons. I should've used wine.
Zip is a free compression format, you moron.
Learn to use options and you'll get all the files dumped in the right directories (clue: -D works)
Many many more people use Zip than use tgz - I don't know why anybody bothers with tgz any more - especially for wide distribution. Most people don't know what to do with them.
Fortunately, Winzip handles them just fine. I registered my copy - did you?