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New YOPY Screenshots
FWMiller writes: "Theres a bunch of new screenshots up on Samsung's new PDA, the YOPY. This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely." The images are in a tgz, and they look real. They demo an addressbook, and MP3 player and other apps that apparently would ship with the nifty Linux based PDA. I still haven't seen a ship date (or an english version of the software for that matter ;) so I'm not holding my breath too hard. Although after playing with Kurt The Pope's Jornada, I'm dying to see what they can do.
...according to a Samsung guy at the CeBIT.
I don't know why everyone and his mother is waiting for this crap.
Censorship on Slashdot
Someone mirror them. Korea is slow.
800 bytes/second on a t1.
Watch the sky for falling sattelite(s) kiddies.
Is this running on a FB or on X? Any word on when we'll see a QT/Embedded device?
man, already the download is crawling.. anyone want to put up a mirror? Shame everyone killed geekflavor.. would have been perfect :)
I wonder what their conterpart to Grafitti is, and if there's any chance of it being released as free software...
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"THe images are in a tgz" Whoops, a Taco Typo! Nice screenshots though.
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Hey Taco? What's with linking to some kind of funky moon man file format. TGZ? Is this some kind of picture file? Do you need the gimp to view this? .gif or .png please. I thought the /. crew was into internet standards.
.jpeg,
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With all the PDA's out there, is anyone really buying any that aren't Palms right now?
The first thing that should pop into anybody's head as soon as they hear this is:
"Who would want to emulate Windows CE's interface?"
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A .TGZ extension is a Microsoft-ed, three-letter-extension version of the old and traditional Uniz .tar.gz extension sequence, indicating a group of files collected together with tar, and then compressed with gzip.
To view the files, reverse the process.
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These pictures look great (though someone oughta mirror them uncompressed). I have to admit, I'm currently the not-so-proud owner of a Windows CE device (or is it Windows Powered?). However, my complaints with it have nothing to do with the interface*, and if you could bring something similar to the Yopy then I would definitely be interested. Anyone know when we might expect to see them?
*If you are curious, my complaints are specifically with system resource usage and stability. While Windows CE isn't as bad as its cousins, its heritage is still apparent. If you could give me the same features and interface but with a little less bloat and cruft, I would be a very satisfied customer.
yours,
john
Palm OS developer/Handspring founder Jeff Hawkins's "Zen of Palm" (essentially, simplify as much as possible for a palmtop unit) really holds true with current hardware limitations.
Now, if you could give me something the size of a Palm V, with the Fitaly stamp keyboard instead of Graffiti or handwriting recogninition (plus an optional folding full-size StowAway keyboard), expansion as easy and versatile as Handspring's Springboard but as small as Sony's Memory Stick, a high-quality color display for large resolutions, built-in wireless connectivity, and long-lasting rechargable batteries...well, then you'd really have a amazingly powerful, functional palm device. Deliver it at a reasonable price point and the world will beat a path to your door.
But it looks like Samsung is taking a big step in the race for the ultimate PDA.
I can think of some handy uses for a PDA -- if you were in an accident, for example, you could send a memo to the hospital. Or if you had to take notes during a meeting (but who goes to meeting these days?), you could jot them down on a PDA, assuming you could get it to recognize your handwriting. But who wants to have their address book, e-mail, pager, and ICQ attached to them, like some sort of crippling chain to their job? Unless your entire life revolves around computers and the Internet, I can't think of a reason why you'd want one of these things leeching away your free time.
This may be the Miniturization Age, but believe it or not, we don't need everything smaller and more pervasive. Throw that PDA away and take a vacation. See the world. Stop and smell the roses.
When I first began writing the "nfp" post above, I totally stunned that I had happened onto an article with apparently no replies. It was a completely chance event -- like winning the lottery, being struck by lightning, or receiving an IRS audit WITHOUT having exposed sexual misconduct of the current U.S. President.
.tgz download. Perhaps other first posters were thwarted by the need to both download and unzip the file. This slowed their normally cat-like posting response.
I did not believe I would actually be able to type and "Submit" quickly enough to receive the coveted first post. Therefore, I included "nearly" in my subject.
However, fate is a fickle and unpredictable mistress (interns are much easier). As it turns out, I DID in fact have the first post to this particular article.
What led to this remarkable set of circumstances? I can only speculum. Perhaps it was because the linked file was, in fact, a
But the above suppository has a flaw. It assumes that Slashdooters actual FOLLOW links before they post. We all know the folly of this predisposition.
There was a time when first posts where easy to come by. Now, Slashdot has more posters than a used CD store. First posts have become even more special and rarer than beef tartar.
I can only conclude that, for today, the gods of the universe are looking upon me with favor. This is my special day and I will enjoy it for as long as it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. The world may never know. Thank you.
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they used a free compression format. I hate it when some company creates ZIPs of everything, which have to be unzipped, but they don't get created in their own directory then Oh No!! my directory has 50 new files in it!!
What's even worse is that Corel's WordPerfect 8 for Linux used DOS print drivers; the drivers you downloaded off their site were self-extracting EXE's. Morons. I should've used wine.
# debian/rules
http://www.pdabuzz.com/Features/Yopy.html Seems to be the new pics. (not sure, since my download is crawling)
quote:
"This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely."
while the boys and girls in richmond do a fair job building user interfaces i'm sick of the free software community ripping their stuff and producing look alike - but generally inferior - interfaces.
the palm interface is slick as shit on a wet shovel... why could they not come up with something as ground breaking for the yoppy? why the hell does the free software community not come up with a new idea in the UI space? or at least innovate rather than play catch up?
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As evindenced by his low user number, he could not be _that_ clueless. Maybe he was pointing out the .tgz instead of .tar.gz. Or maybe it was kind of a stretch and nobody got it. w/e.
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The first 20 beta testers got their Yopys Sunday (in Korea). There should be some announcement soon on a release date. If they don't get their shit together soon, I'm getting an iPaq (though I like the bigger screen with the 16bpp color on the Yopy more). Cpt_Kirks
If you read the Yopy FAQ it mentions battery life being 6 hours. 6 hours!?! For a PDA?! I wanted one before, but I don't know now....
No offense, but a CE interface for a palm isn't a terribly good idea. Even the people that I know who use CE think that the interface is poor. Menus like that just aren't terribly suited to being the main driving thing in a DPA. Look at palm OS, very easy to use on a small display. The interfaces classic to X are good for palms. Picture enlightenment shrunk onto a PDA screen. That sort of interface would be much more useful than CE's (and I don't care if it's familiar, it IS intuitive). Pager displays and iconboxes, menus that drag out of where you place the cursor (or at least shift properly). I would hope that the YOPY would do these more like it's linux/unix/BSD brethren.
We're all different.
Eh...
"This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely." wait a minute.....two months ago, pocket pc comes out, and /. is up in arms about the overwrought interface, and how a pda doesn't need all the features of a desktop and when os X comes out, the mac will ROOL 4EVER!
oh wait. wrong topic.
anyway, so how come when samsung finally shows off the YOPY, its fundamental winCE-ness is regarded as slick? i mean, how many of us would call KDE 2.0 or whatever slick if it "closely emulated" win2K?
here's hoping samsung doesn't encounter a backlash of people not understanding that the YOPY is not a CE device, and deriding it as a poor imitation. kinda like CE and windows itself, when you think about it.
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bash# traceroute www.gmate.co.kr
traceroute to www.gmate.co.kr (211.113.71.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 209.68.XXX.XXX (209.68.XXX.XXX) 0.643 ms 0.489 ms 0.459 ms
2 pos3-1.hsa1.sdg1.Level3.net (209.245.56.129) 0.709 ms 0.727 ms 0.783 ms
3 lo0.mp1.LosAngeles1.level3.net (209.247.8.241) 4.376 ms 15.523 ms 4.385 ms
4 209.247.10.194 (209.247.10.194) 4.237 ms 4.277 ms 4.264 ms
5 209.0.227.34 (209.0.227.34) 5.811 ms 6.087 ms 6.026 ms
6 corerouter1.Bloomington.cw.net (204.70.9.147) 9.718 ms 9.665 ms 9.136 ms
7 corerouter2.SanFrancisco.cw.net (204.70.9.132) 16.891 ms 19.112 ms 18.515 ms
8 acr2-loopback.SanFranciscosfd.cw.net (206.24.210.62) 17.500 ms 17.286 ms 17.495 ms
9 bpr1.pax.cw.net (206.24.210.8) 18.244 ms 18.103 ms 18.150 ms
10 206.24.241.90 (206.24.241.90) 16.891 ms 16.640 ms 16.506 ms
11 211.47.0.221 (211.47.0.221) 180.773 ms 181.084 ms 181.458 ms
12 211.47.0.105 (211.47.0.105) 180.215 ms 181.265 ms 181.399 ms
13 211.62.63.5 (211.62.63.5) 180.526 ms 180.593 ms 180.843 ms
14 Daebang.LL-TEMP.hitel.net (211.62.33.100) 180.620 ms 182.815 ms 182.763 ms
15 211.113.71.1 (211.113.71.1) 4682.654 ms 4428.250 ms 4502.190 ms
16 211.113.71.2 (211.113.71.2) 4461.430 ms 4618.915 ms 4377.226 ms
You think they could mirror sites that they put up?
Linux O Muerte!
Those aren't the same images as in the tarball. They are cool, though.
Check out Microwindows. If you need an interface for an application which may run on a Linux PDA, you are likely to use this little beauty. Plus anyone who thinks that X is awful should take note. By developing things using Microwindows you can get applications - today - that run under X and also can run with a far lighter windowing interface...
Cheers,
Ben
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One of the main problems with these types of machines is the fact that the batteries don';t last very long drastically limits it usefulness. I know it has a 1400mAh battery but this tells me nothing about how long it will run with the processor and colour display. Anyone know anything about this?
That sure doesn't look like an eye to me.
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
The YOPY runs Linux. The ROM is flashable. Write your own interface if you think Samsung dropped the ball. That's what OSS is for . . .
I have no
I keep trying to pronounce YOPY and it keeps coming back "yuppie". Which is probably true.. that's who these things are designed for, eh? So, in that case, it's not coming into the Temple of Tech that is my house. Yeesh.. let's go beat up their marketing department in a massive game of Unreal Tournament.
Actually, there have been some wonderful editorials on this topic in the NYTimes print edition, although I am unable to find any of them (anyone know of an editorial index online?) at the moment.
The gist is, as we allow technology into our lives, we have to make it slave to us, not enslave ourselves to it. Luddites complain that cellphones keep us apart and remote while techno-enthusiasts claim it brings us together. My arkansas mother claims she talks more in email with her remote family now that she did on the phone in a year, while a fellow LUG officer I know turns his pager off the minute he leaves work because it stresses him out to be "too-connected". The truth is that tech can do both, enslave us or serve us, and it's all in the amount of control that you have technology to have in your life. Do you feel ABSOLUTELY COMPELLED to answer a ringing phone? It is in _your_ home, for _your_ convenience, and if you are busy, then let it ring and lose the stress. If you're in class, TURN YOUR FRIGGIN CELL PHONE OFF unless you just happen to be part of the 1% of the population that absolutely HAS to be reachable 24/7, and in that case, use the vibrate feature that almost all of them come with now.
tech is what you make of it, like many other things...
Check my Go-related blog for beginners: DGD
This thing looks really slick, emulating the Windows CE user interface quite closely.
/. community condoning, let alone forgiving someone for lack of innovation is quite laughable.
I know others have picked up on this. (even faster than they picked up on Taco's QT/Diablo2 double-standards)
But the
Well, if I get the $$$ together for a PDA, maybe I will :-)
We're all different.
Eh...
It only took like an hour or more(2)... I started the second the sory was up... usually take no more then 40 seconds for a file that size damn..
Anyway It looks pretty sweet, the mp3 player looks cool but how much memory is that thing going to have?
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Well, my download just finished. Those pics are different, so, here's a mirror I put up with the new pics. Let's see if Rice University's got the bandwidth...
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~kashent/yopy/
Oh, and they are uncompressed, for those of you who care. -Kashent
Check out the pix at http://linuxfriendly.com and at http://ralph once it comes back up (had a drive failure) :)
Enjoy!
Cybie! aka Ralph Bonnell
If they're just shrinking down a computer into a handheld format, then it's a handheld computer. Smaller screen, different input mechanism. But that doesn't make it a PDA.
Besides being small, durable and portable, a PDA should above all else be an assistant -- as in Personal Digital Assitant.
That means having software thats tailored to doing PDA-like things: checking off tasks, reading e-mail, looking up addresses, etc. It must be able to do all of these PDA-like things very quickly and easily.
As a veteran of many WinCE/PPC/PalmOS debates, it is still my opinion that Windows CE and PocketPC are designed to be handheld computers more than a PDA. Microsoft started moving in the right direction by simplifying the user interface, but the fact is, it remains built upon a non-PDA-oriented OS.
Is YOPY just going to be a Linux version of Windows CE? The most important thing about a PDA, the human interface, is said to be already emulating Windows CE, according to the author.
I want 700 MHz crusoe processor beowulf cluster embedded in my skull that uses the glucose and caffine in my blood as a power source that directly patches into my retina for video output and cochlea for audio output, muscle twitch text input, a bioport simstim interface for upgrades and 'wares, and builtin PCS network interface for global roaming wireless GHz ethernet... well, then I'd be a borg.
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With the danger of being a troll, I feel
it is very much uncalled for, moderating an
obvious newbiepost as troll, just because the
poster is a newbie.
He didn't know about TAR-balls or Gzip?
So what? I didn't some years ago.
Although I use tools like this regularily now,
the best way of scaring people off trying *nix'es,
is by alienating them.
What we SHOULD do, is point the person to good
ways of getting information, or enlighten the
person.
On a different matter, individual JPEG's would
be better, because it would let us look at thumbnails, and deciding what images was worth
looking at, without really increasing size.
Never quite got over that
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
You can find out more (including price) at This site
http://dtum.livejournal.com
Any PDA that has a version of Arkanoid (Breakout for the old school folks) BUILT INTO IT has my $$, I don't care if I have to sell a kidney to buy it. And re: battery life, I don't care if the thing only gets 12, 6 or even 3 hours per charge, that's still better than my laptop on a good day. YAY Yopy!
v2sw7CUPhw5ln6pr5Pck4ma7u7LFw0m6g/l7Di5e6t5Ab6TH.
Mirror Hosted in Canada on .EDU type link.
Windows users: File will open with Winzip.
Unix: Need i explain?
http://slashdot .org/article.pl?sid=00/04/27/0858200&mode=thread .org/article.pl?sid=00/02/27/1027237&mode=thread /pcwtoday/article/0,1510,15486,00.html = 20 (German)L inuxPDA.html /yopi1.htm 0 003.html (German)
Company sites, product informationhttp://linuxtoday.com/stories/17660.html
http://www.geeknews.org/news/fe b00/newsitem090.html
http://www.palmstation.com/ view_article.py?article=1786
http://www.pdabuzz.com/Features/Yopy.html
http://slashdot
http://www.pcworld.com
http://www.ch ip.de/PC2D/PC2DB/PC2DBA/pc2dba.htm?id=323&ressort
http://www.twomobile.com/new_032200_y opy.html (obviously they didn't credit the source of the pictures and video footage!)
http://ore illy.linux.com/pub/a/network/2000/05/05/magazine/
http://www.handheldmed.com/code/news
http://www.gnn.de/0005/7603.html (German)
http://www.p cwelt.de/content/news/newprodukte/2000/05/xn09050
http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/ eng/product/digital/pda/
Links to other Yopy and general Linux-PDA ressourceshttp://www.gmate.co.kr
http://www.palmtopmagazin.de/board/linux Discussion about Linux-PDAs (German)
http://www.palmtopmagazin.de/news/linux Linux-PDA news (German)
http://www.theyopy.de German Yopy fan site
http://www.handhelds.org Linux-Development for Compaq iPaq
http://www.yopy.org Another Yopy fan site
http://dtum.livejournal.com
What's the battery life on this thing? Especially if you play MP3s or media files... I took at look at their FAQ and specs and didn't spot it.
Fsck cluebie moderators. I'll say what I want, offtopic or not. And fsck having to qualify every bloody statement just
Mirror Hosted in Canada on an .EDU type link.
Funny thing is, these pictures are dated July 1999.
Even funnier, it really did take this long (150 posts) to download the whole thing.
one reason
.... Hmm
the only reason I can see for getting it done with W rather than X is fonts and widget set
it I think is slower than X but offers a more complete solution
X is fast as long as you dont use large bitmaps and widget sets which hog memory (QT and gtk are guilty when useing pixmaped themes ) I use X for Xterms and displaying a nice background and it runs @ light speed
when we actualy use an proper solution then we will see how nice fonts can be !
hell it uses a StrongARM it could if they wanted run X same as itsy
they just went for a small development time with as few developers as possible this was to minamize RISK which as any project manager are BIG factors in what companys let you do
compaq have a head start By owning digital where they actualy Know what the StrongARM is capable of !
(they just dont know it yet and is towing the line with Microsoft)
recompileing the kernel under WinCE is so nightmareish that nobody does it and so compromises it !
this is how GNU/Linux can easly win
plus have you noticed Redhat are hawking tools for the StrongARM
andy Grove what did you learn by useing that intel watch !
(dont worry its someone elses tech which works ! )
fun and games
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
The images and accompanying text are all up at http://waxwolf.com/yopy/.
This does look like a nifty little beastie, though I'd like to handle one before buying...
Here's a mirror in the US: http://dynodns.net/yopy
I put the pix up at http://linuxfriendly.com thumbnailed for ya :)
Cybie! aka Ralph Bonnell
They are old pics from the CeBit show in Hanover I believe. That Yopy is running the old UI... thanks for the link though
http://www.theyopy.de/
YAWN = Yet Another Worthless Name
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http://www.outofdarkness.com/beta.tgz
Stupid Cheap Guitars
I made a quick little page for those of you wanting to actually VIEW the contents of the TGZ file (as well as making a ZIP version). Thumbnails, etc. quick and dirty. http://rm-f.net/~orange/yopy/20000 725/index.html
Does it also include vi ? can't live without it.
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If this was real, it would have had WORDS in the interface instead of chicken scratches.
What good is a PDA if it doesn't speak english?
The Palm machines are designed around the exact opposite, namely being designed around a set of design compromises.
Thus nothing resembling "disk," or "files."
This set of design constraints mean that rather than doing the "WinCE" thing of "trying to be Windows, with a somewhat smaller screen," PalmOS is completely different.
It encourages creating embedded applications that do fairly specific things, rather than creating "generic" applications like spreadsheets to do "generic" things.
While all of the above looks like criticism, particularly in light of the usual "GNU" thing of encouraging there to be no arbitrary limits, I would take the opposite tack. PalmOS has provided a case of relishing the limitations, and working with them rather than the approach of fighting against them.
The net result has been pretty successful. You can do a number of useful things with a Palm III, which make it worth having one.
I'm not sure that the Yopi has chosen its design compromises carefully enough to be able to be successful.
PalmComputing generally doesn't suffer from being too slow.
It needs to be useful without the extra stuff, unless it includes a keyboard by default.
A few people will run it because of that, but I'm a Linux advocate and I wouldn't spend the money just because of that.
At present, the iPAQ 3600 may run Linux, but does so only if you have a desktop "terminal" to connect to it. It may ultimately become "useful on the road," but it's not there yet.
I just don't think Yopi has yet come up with a suitable set of compromises in order to become amazingly functional.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Several years ago there was an excellent essay on ubiquitous technology, it was called Calm Computing.
Well worth the read.
Cheers,
Ben
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umm, I think signal 11 is no yuppie. couldn't post that much and hold a job.
:)
he's either the idle rich or a welfare recipient or one hellishly bad employee...
Temple of Tech and welfare, you ask?!!? well, he didn't say high tech, did he? I am picturing 386's, circa '77 adding machines, a beta max, etc.
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Just by looking at it. It dosn't seem to make use of the screen space very well. Like the address bar in the browser has a rather large border round it. etc..
Oh well, maybe one day someone will mix the best of the 2 together, instead of acting like advocates when they're designing.