6.2. Effect of New Versions. Once Covered Code has been published under a particular version of the License, You may always continue to use it under the terms of that version. You may also choose to use such Covered Code under the terms of any subsequent version of the License published by Netscape. No one other than Netscape has the right to modify the terms applicable to Covered Code created under this License.
This means, or should mean, that if AOL wants to pull the plug, they can do so by keeping for themselves all the code they develop from now on. But the code already released can always be used in the terms of NPL 1.0.
I believe that, if mozilla.org shuts down, the development of the browser can continue elsewhere. Sure, won't be the same code used by "Netscape Communicator 7.532", but I don't think anyone cares about that.
So, you're telling us that they have 3,500 people using NT, and they didn't give them any kind of training whatsoever. Cool. I wish everybody in my company were so smart, as to find out by themselves, in zero time, what does "sharing" a resource means, how to use the "Task Manager" to kill an application that's "not responding", and how to get rid of those freaking Happy99s and Word macro viruses.
Anyway, if your point is that Linux is harder to learn and use, I somewhat agree. A completely clueless user cannot run Linux yet, because our clueless-user-support systems are either incomplete or buggy.
So yes, that seems to be the current situation. But with a little vision of "the road ahead", you could see that this is changing fast. Real fast. And by the time this changes, we won't have to pay for an "upgrade" in software and hardware, to take advantage of it.
Man, I see the change happening as we speak. A couple of months ago, I installed the first Linux box in the shop. My, this would have been nothing short of heretic last year.
Now I'm actually working in porting one of our (most important) systems from NT to Unix. They want to have it on Linux and Solaris, because people have started to ask.
And I'm starting to believe that this is the beggining of the end for Micros~1... Oh, the joy.
I guess that allowing mozilla to embed GTK widgets, or (more probably) XPCOM components like mozilla itself, in a document, should be a feature really easy to add right now.
But I also think they won't going to do it. It would be a non-standard extension, hence as evil as the ActiveX extension that Micros~1 tried to force down our throats (and succeeded in some places -you should see some intranet projects I've seen in some banks here in México).
Dying breed? I don't think so, but then again, I don't care. Look, "making your life easier and faster" and "cutting your learning curve" are all nice and dandy, but those are the same things that have made the net a slow swamp of clueless people clogging the wires with "multimedia" and "active content" and whatever you want to call that stuff.
Now, this is not necessarily evil. It was unavoidable, and yes I think that is very nice that most of my family can email me now, and my secretary don't have to cope with clumsy and noisy typewriters anymore. But you should try to understand why some of us sometimes loose our patience when trying to explain to some AOLer the deep concept of "current working directory", or close our eyes and sigh every time someone releases a new kind of "streaming multimedia gadget" or whatever.
And now, just to avoid been marked as offtopic: this GTK widget is a heaven-sent answer for a project I'm cooking right now. Actually, since the thing not only renders HTML, but XML, and has that cool XUL thing for building UIs, I'm starting to think that this could entirely change the way I build applications for X. One thing is for sure: this stuff is not only for showing help files. You'll see.
And I can't wait for this thing to reach beta...
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I say, PHBs most likely won't even read articles like this, but skip directly to the "executive summary" or whatever, where they can see which OS was "the best".
Doesn't this harm RedHat's business? Since they have a lot of cash right now, why not paying for independent benchmark tests? They could do all sorts of interesting tests, like Linux vs. NT on single processor machines, or the "best solution for a fixed amount of cash" test.
I even know about some lab that's particularly skilled at making your products look good in tests. Mindcraft-something, was the name, I think. The hats should give them a call.
Something's broken in your NT (or Communicator, or Mozilla) installation. I'm running both Communicator 4.5 and Mozilla M4 at the same time here. No problem at all. The system is NT4, SP3 (soon these bozos will have to let me run linux in the office..:-)
Anyway, I have no idea about what could be wrong. Sorry. I mean, is your Communicator directory in your path, or something? Are the Netscape DLLs in \WINNT?
I see someone pointed you at mozilla.org's ftp server already. But even if there's not an 'M4' source tarball, that only means it hasn't been packaged yet.
You can get the up-to-the-second source with CVS anytime you like. Afaik, there's an M4 branch you can use, if you don't want to get the code people is hacking at right now. Ask around in the mozilla newsgroups about this.
Well, I have M3 installed right now, and it feels way faster than both Communicator 4.5 and IE 3. Lynx is faster, though, but lacks progressive rendering:-P
(those are the only browsers installed in this machine, which is an NT 4 box, PII 266, 64 Mb RAM)
Can't wait for M4 to download, but the bits are flowing slowly... I hope we don't get mozilla.org slashdotted this time.
Yeah, right. Thanks for that useful tip. Having watched that little lizard since it got free, even trying a small patch here and there, hoping real hard that she'll be the greatest browser ever, the one built by us for ourselves and everything... I was getting kinda sad and depressed right now, you know? But, thankfully, you came in and said just what I needed to hear.
We're so lucky that we still have Microsoft on our side, aren't we?
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As far as I understand the license, yes, you can. From the Netscape Public Licence:
This means, or should mean, that if AOL wants to pull the plug, they can do so by keeping for themselves all the code they develop from now on. But the code already released can always be used in the terms of NPL 1.0.
I believe that, if mozilla.org shuts down, the development of the browser can continue elsewhere. Sure, won't be the same code used by "Netscape Communicator 7.532", but I don't think anyone cares about that.
Oh, and IANAL etc.
So, you're telling us that they have 3,500 people using NT, and they didn't give them any kind of training whatsoever. Cool. I wish everybody in my company were so smart, as to find out by themselves, in zero time, what does "sharing" a resource means, how to use the "Task Manager" to kill an application that's "not responding", and how to get rid of those freaking Happy99s and Word macro viruses.
Anyway, if your point is that Linux is harder to learn and use, I somewhat agree. A completely clueless user cannot run Linux yet, because our clueless-user-support systems are either incomplete or buggy.
So yes, that seems to be the current situation. But with a little vision of "the road ahead", you could see that this is changing fast. Real fast. And by the time this changes, we won't have to pay for an "upgrade" in software and hardware, to take advantage of it.
My boss seems to understand this, at least.
Regards.
Man, I see the change happening as we speak. A couple of months ago, I installed the first Linux box in the shop. My, this would have been nothing short of heretic last year.
Now I'm actually working in porting one of our (most important) systems from NT to Unix. They want to have it on Linux and Solaris, because people have started to ask.
And I'm starting to believe that this is the beggining of the end for Micros~1... Oh, the joy.
Yes, I'm pretty sure there are. Those are the suckers that give gringos their bad name in the world.
I also know that not everyone of you is that stupid. There's a lot of thinking people in the US. Fortunately.
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I guess that allowing mozilla to embed GTK widgets, or (more probably) XPCOM components like mozilla itself, in a document, should be a feature really easy to add right now.
But I also think they won't going to do it. It would be a non-standard extension, hence as evil as the ActiveX extension that Micros~1 tried to force down our throats (and succeeded in some places -you should see some intranet projects I've seen in some banks here in México).
Dying breed? I don't think so, but then again, I don't care. Look, "making your life easier and faster" and "cutting your learning curve" are all nice and dandy, but those are the same things that have made the net a slow swamp of clueless people clogging the wires with "multimedia" and "active content" and whatever you want to call that stuff.
Now, this is not necessarily evil. It was unavoidable, and yes I think that is very nice that most of my family can email me now, and my secretary don't have to cope with clumsy and noisy typewriters anymore. But you should try to understand why some of us sometimes loose our patience when trying to explain to some AOLer the deep concept of "current working directory", or close our eyes and sigh every time someone releases a new kind of "streaming multimedia gadget" or whatever.
And now, just to avoid been marked as offtopic: this GTK widget is a heaven-sent answer for a project I'm cooking right now. Actually, since the thing not only renders HTML, but XML, and has that cool XUL thing for building UIs, I'm starting to think that this could entirely change the way I build applications for X. One thing is for sure: this stuff is not only for showing help files. You'll see.
And I can't wait for this thing to reach beta...
I say, PHBs most likely won't even read articles like this, but skip directly to the "executive summary" or whatever, where they can see which OS was "the best".
Doesn't this harm RedHat's business? Since they have a lot of cash right now, why not paying for independent benchmark tests? They could do all sorts of interesting tests, like Linux vs. NT on single processor machines, or the "best solution for a fixed amount of cash" test.
I even know about some lab that's particularly skilled at making your products look good in tests. Mindcraft-something, was the name, I think. The hats should give them a call.
Check under Project Sea Monkey. You probably want to see the milestone plan.
There are release notes, too.
Something's broken in your NT (or Communicator, or Mozilla) installation. I'm running both Communicator 4.5 and Mozilla M4 at the same time here. No problem at all. The system is NT4, SP3 (soon these bozos will have to let me run linux in the office.. :-)
Anyway, I have no idea about what could be wrong. Sorry. I mean, is your Communicator directory in your path, or something? Are the Netscape DLLs in \WINNT?
I see someone pointed you at mozilla.org's ftp server already. But even if there's not an 'M4' source tarball, that only means it hasn't been packaged yet.
You can get the up-to-the-second source with CVS anytime you like. Afaik, there's an M4 branch you can use, if you don't want to get the code people is hacking at right now. Ask around in the mozilla newsgroups about this.
No kiddin? Didn't know. Thanks for the tip, this is something really wanted to see.
Well, I have M3 installed right now, and it feels way faster than both Communicator 4.5 and IE 3. Lynx is faster, though, but lacks progressive rendering :-P
(those are the only browsers installed in this machine, which is an NT 4 box, PII 266, 64 Mb RAM)
Can't wait for M4 to download, but the bits are flowing slowly... I hope we don't get mozilla.org slashdotted this time.
Yeah, right. Thanks for that useful tip. Having watched that little lizard since it got free, even trying a small patch here and there, hoping real hard that she'll be the greatest browser ever, the one built by us for ourselves and everything... I was getting kinda sad and depressed right now, you know? But, thankfully, you came in and said just what I needed to hear.
We're so lucky that we still have Microsoft on our side, aren't we?
Now please go away.