It seems youve never even seen any kind of support outside of sun and ibm I guess. Cause i tell you: there is no comparission at all.
FOSS bussiness people have a good take on corporate support AND we will actually provide it without you having to sign your soul to us, without you risking loosing any "warranties" because you touched a file.
One thing is to shortchange Reaggan's good things (which would still be more debateable than, say, the pertinence and vigency of the THEORY OF EVOLUTION, wouldnt you say?) and another to ignore all the evidence about the way life came to be as it is now to mislead children.
Oh theyve tried, believe us, to take over redhat many times.
Theyve been shown to the door on all those ocassions. And they will still be shown out this time, now by customers.
GOOD.
I mean, their offer on this is so idiotic that its scary: where the hell will they get the manpower to actually give YOU OS support? How does saving 2500 bucks/year (what rhels most expensive intel suscription costs), versus a HUGE support plan for the oracle DB (that is more into de tens of thousends per-year/CPU), while reducing the posibility to get the best possible platform support, makes sense to the customer?
Youd have to be a suckpuppet for the brand to actually buy into this.
(well, to not attribute to evilness what can be explained by stupidity: you may just as well be plain stupid)
IBM brings Sun back from the dead, Oracle tries (yet again), to surface as some company that can actually support an OS. Novell is still being breastfed by the big names in the industry, despite it delivering an unsufferable piece of shit of an OS, consistently, for years now.
RH, on the other hand, got its hand on QMranet (whatever), and has the SolidICE thingie that, from my POV, will bolster it forward as a virtualization leader that will break the potential lockin embedded in closed-source VM image disks, formats and proprietary programs and the like.
The powers-that-be are scared, and want to slow Red Hat down.... i dont think its gonna work: the numbers on RHEL this year will be sky-high, both on profits and on addoption: its redhat who will capitalize better in this times of crisis, and oracle, ibm, microsoft and the like, who stand to loose the most in the corporate space.
Thanks MS and associated Repugs, you first gave us Vista, then you gave us this huge crisis that will force the market to actually look at the value you deliver... scary thought, yes?
1. IBM ("We pretend to support open source but really only use open source where it could potentially lock a customer into a proprietary upgrade cycle for a product that runs on an open source platform"... and try and divide and conquer the linux space by not letting the leader consolidate in aything at all).
There, thats more like it.
Im not sure if thats good or bad for the consumer though, I just felt that part was missing.
Okay, you do for a bit, but I think that you are kind of missing on the way we think about this kind of stuff...
I have a fully working environment for this. Granted, my guys use window maker and a couple of java apps, no flashy stuff nor a lot of apps, but a very speciffic setup. This makes things simpler.
All in all, you can say you have this GPO's in place and that they work, and for some cases they surely do, but most big shops I know, even while havind MSAD, have to distribute ghost images for most important policies anyhow.
Now, to the point, how do we do this? Well, it takes some knowledge of your desktop tech, but you can concoct debs that would run scripts for whatever stuff you need to config in the boxes (I do it with rpm based distros), distribute only locked down clients (no root access for the lusers, please!), and presto, youre good to go.
Well, "presto" doesnt cut it: you will need to really know how to config gnome and to thoroughly test in-house for any change you want to distribute, but once that is done, you simply put a deb in a dir and it will be autoinstalled by the cronjob you set up in all boxes.
Now, in Red Hat Enterprise, this is sort-of automated using RHN Sattellite. This starts at 5000 USD for small setups, and goes all the way up to 13k and 20k if you count in services, but for some stuff it might be worth it (you can BMP boxes and stuff with that).
Another, simpler way, although thats "cheating", is to consider thin clients: much less stuff to push around.
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Well...
It seems youve never even seen any kind of support outside of sun and ibm I guess. Cause i tell you: there is no comparission at all.
FOSS bussiness people have a good take on corporate support AND we will actually provide it without you having to sign your soul to us, without you risking loosing any "warranties" because you touched a file.
And yeah...
Get your greasy hands off my Alaskan King!
I once dreamt of a huge banquet where the main course was a large crustacean with the face of sarah palin.
Yeah. I did.
Chum!
"It is a framework for a civilization, look at Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions"
Are you trying to prove MY point?
What on earth is this people thinking?
Ive heard of special interests, of powers-that-be that would prefer certain curriculum to prevail over others...
But this?
I mean, come on!
They arent fair at the market either, we should NOT cut them some slack.
How much does microsoft pay its astroturfers?
I really want to know.
And anyhow, Red Hat GFS is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better (even faster), than OCFS.
Postgres+Jboss
..."no political, financial... agenda."
That, my friend, wouldnt be a religion.
Religion explains nothing. Come on.
Religion is necessary for some to pursue their happiness. That is its place in the world: to cater to those that need to beleive.
Ive no problem with them or it, if they and it just stay the fuck out of my way.
No...
One thing is to shortchange Reaggan's good things (which would still be more debateable than, say, the pertinence and vigency of the THEORY OF EVOLUTION, wouldnt you say?) and another to ignore all the evidence about the way life came to be as it is now to mislead children.
Not the same AT ALL.
Oh theyve tried, believe us, to take over redhat many times.
Theyve been shown to the door on all those ocassions. And they will still be shown out this time, now by customers.
GOOD.
I mean, their offer on this is so idiotic that its scary: where the hell will they get the manpower to actually give YOU OS support? How does saving 2500 bucks/year (what rhels most expensive intel suscription costs), versus a HUGE support plan for the oracle DB (that is more into de tens of thousends per-year/CPU), while reducing the posibility to get the best possible platform support, makes sense to the customer?
Youd have to be a suckpuppet for the brand to actually buy into this.
(well, to not attribute to evilness what can be explained by stupidity: you may just as well be plain stupid)
IBM brings Sun back from the dead, Oracle tries (yet again), to surface as some company that can actually support an OS. Novell is still being breastfed by the big names in the industry, despite it delivering an unsufferable piece of shit of an OS, consistently, for years now.
RH, on the other hand, got its hand on QMranet (whatever), and has the SolidICE thingie that, from my POV, will bolster it forward as a virtualization leader that will break the potential lockin embedded in closed-source VM image disks, formats and proprietary programs and the like.
The powers-that-be are scared, and want to slow Red Hat down.... i dont think its gonna work: the numbers on RHEL this year will be sky-high, both on profits and on addoption: its redhat who will capitalize better in this times of crisis, and oracle, ibm, microsoft and the like, who stand to loose the most in the corporate space.
Thanks MS and associated Repugs, you first gave us Vista, then you gave us this huge crisis that will force the market to actually look at the value you deliver... scary thought, yes?
Well, you SHOULD BE SCARED.
Wow... the bushiites are still in control of the judicial power.
Thats what i can muster so far.
Your sig dont cut it.... WWJDHH... etc.
Sheesh.
now im hungry
Ah... probably some minesweeper in win2008svr...
Yep, thats just the thing you need.
My gopher pr0n!
They condemned the web forever!
Gopher was JUST FINE!
1. IBM ("We pretend to support open source but really only use open source where it could potentially lock a customer into a proprietary upgrade cycle for a product that runs on an open source platform"... and try and divide and conquer the linux space by not letting the leader consolidate in aything at all).
There, thats more like it.
Im not sure if thats good or bad for the consumer though, I just felt that part was missing.
Marry me?
(though I spend a lot of time dealing with SLES issues at the hardware vendor I work for)
I think I have a better explanation for that than it selling well.
Why would it be any kind of threat to apple? You are talking about hardware, not software patents.
I dont watch news...
Err...
Yeah.
I need a job. What does MS pay for astroturfing?
Okay, you do for a bit, but I think that you are kind of missing on the way we think about this kind of stuff...
I have a fully working environment for this. Granted, my guys use window maker and a couple of java apps, no flashy stuff nor a lot of apps, but a very speciffic setup. This makes things simpler.
All in all, you can say you have this GPO's in place and that they work, and for some cases they surely do, but most big shops I know, even while havind MSAD, have to distribute ghost images for most important policies anyhow.
Now, to the point, how do we do this? Well, it takes some knowledge of your desktop tech, but you can concoct debs that would run scripts for whatever stuff you need to config in the boxes (I do it with rpm based distros), distribute only locked down clients (no root access for the lusers, please!), and presto, youre good to go.
Well, "presto" doesnt cut it: you will need to really know how to config gnome and to thoroughly test in-house for any change you want to distribute, but once that is done, you simply put a deb in a dir and it will be autoinstalled by the cronjob you set up in all boxes.
Now, in Red Hat Enterprise, this is sort-of automated using RHN Sattellite. This starts at 5000 USD for small setups, and goes all the way up to 13k and 20k if you count in services, but for some stuff it might be worth it (you can BMP boxes and stuff with that).
Another, simpler way, although thats "cheating", is to consider thin clients: much less stuff to push around.
There, hope that was helpful.