I disagree. The talibans where terrorists and still are.
And they sucked as a regime and those that engaged in terrorism deserve to be killed.
BUT, thats not what the US went in for. It went in to fuck them up cause they helped bomb new york.
Do not let yourself be confused: no one went into Afg. to liberate anyone. The idea was to bring "some heads on a stick"....
By the way, if you havent noticed, the most important head did not came back on a stick and has not been severed. Thus, the afghan invasion was a faliure and it still is.
I think that the point here is that Afghans did not ask to be invaded. The US invaded Afghanistan (and, alas, this time they actually had good cause... not something that happens a lot with the US and wars) not to benefit afghans but to benefit itself.
And thats the truth. Nobody "liberated" Afghanistan from anything because that was not the objective. The objective was to kill the talibans and, by the way, the US failed MISSERABLY in that.
And thats the truth. IF it makes you feel a nicer person to think that the US army is the liberator of Asia, then by all means, keep lying to yourself.
Well.... to say that being in a state of war is better than being under a cruel and opressive regime, is grounds for lengthy, unnecesary and endless discussions.
I dont necesarily disagree with you, but I do think that you cannot say that for all or most afghans this or that was better.
Each of them probably have their own opinion, which they could not voice back under the taliban, but they cannot voice it right now either if they are not in favor of the invasion and current regime, since then they would be regarded as taliban colaborationists.
Oh, how easy it is to make such summary judgements, isnt it?
Life is not that simple, my friends. That goes to both of you.
I think this discussion stems from the fact that cannonical is in south.Africa and uses the British pound as refference, plus the cost of the work hour in commonwealth countries is really high. I'm willing to bet that cannonicals prices are way better than the same sla for windows down there or in Australia or England
Imagine what WILL happen when most of asia decides to convert their debt to chineese coin.
And it will happen the moment the US thinks its the time to counter China's weight instead of playing nice.
Hey, i dont like it, but it does seem like bush fucked it up for ALL of us. (and im not an american, I just recognize that most of occident depends heavily on the modern Rome... and ive always liked rome right from the begining, up to where those crazy christians fucked it for the rest of us).
At least to me. Ya think they land in previously landed places?
I mean its a whole planet. It would seem to me that if you calculate a, say 1000 kilometer radius from your landing site that is "clean" (noone landed inside the circle) by our records, this posibility you point out is highly improbable to happen.
Even more so if you pick the lannding at random.
In any case, i would be astonished to find out that they knowingly went in and landed in a contaminated site: everything we touch there we contaminate.
UNLESS you want to do things in-house and take responsibility for distributing the trusted root certificate for your own CA to those that need it. That there is the best option, but most folks don't want to do that and for yourbank.com it would be a big expense to make sure all the customers received this cert in an offline/secure way.
Correct. More so: most financial services that some of my customers use (and some of them are full fledged stock market brokerage firms), work with this scheme. As you say, the best possible (and a plus if your throw in client certs in there), is being your on CA for the people using your services.
Well... he is going to need some serius identity data from the company.
At least last time I bought, you need the all the legal documents that make up the company and the signature of a valid company representative.
It aint that easy.
Having said this, I hate the schema of CA's basically because it grants monopolies to companies whose only value-add is the fact that they check this things before selling the cert.
If they dont, they shouldnt be trusted by default in any broser.
Depends on what you mean by "Open Source". If everything microsoft does goes Free Software (a real FOSS license that protects the six freedoms), its free, forever.
Yes, they will still make a buck: GOOD! If we only managed to convince them of that.....
Man... who on earth would want MICROSOFT to trust them?
Get a grip: they were once a good thing for computerdom, they freed a many developer from really mean overlords, but they became one themselves and do not want to cave in and cooperate so that we can transition to a competitive market where everyone can make a buck without them necessarily making ten.
Its time for them to be smitten. And smite them the lord will.
(sorry for the bad spelling, it wouldve read quite nicely if i knew how to write better english)
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I disagree. The talibans where terrorists and still are.
And they sucked as a regime and those that engaged in terrorism deserve to be killed.
BUT, thats not what the US went in for. It went in to fuck them up cause they helped bomb new york.
Do not let yourself be confused: no one went into Afg. to liberate anyone. The idea was to bring "some heads on a stick"....
By the way, if you havent noticed, the most important head did not came back on a stick and has not been severed. Thus, the afghan invasion was a faliure and it still is.
I think that the point here is that Afghans did not ask to be invaded. The US invaded Afghanistan (and, alas, this time they actually had good cause... not something that happens a lot with the US and wars) not to benefit afghans but to benefit itself.
And thats the truth. Nobody "liberated" Afghanistan from anything because that was not the objective. The objective was to kill the talibans and, by the way, the US failed MISSERABLY in that.
And thats the truth. IF it makes you feel a nicer person to think that the US army is the liberator of Asia, then by all means, keep lying to yourself.
Well.... to say that being in a state of war is better than being under a cruel and opressive regime, is grounds for lengthy, unnecesary and endless discussions.
I dont necesarily disagree with you, but I do think that you cannot say that for all or most afghans this or that was better.
Each of them probably have their own opinion, which they could not voice back under the taliban, but they cannot voice it right now either if they are not in favor of the invasion and current regime, since then they would be regarded as taliban colaborationists.
Oh, how easy it is to make such summary judgements, isnt it?
Life is not that simple, my friends. That goes to both of you.
It approaches the length of Gandhi's dick: infinity.
And don't ask me HOW I know this. I could'nt explain it if I tried.
Just my $999.02 cents...
Does not compute.
Why thanks for clearing that up. That being the case, no, I don't get why the steep prices.their competition is much cheaper
I think this discussion stems from the fact that cannonical is in south.Africa and uses the British pound as refference, plus the cost of the work hour in commonwealth countries is really high. I'm willing to bet that cannonicals prices are way better than the same sla for windows down there or in Australia or England
yeah,congress decided to go into Irak with solid info, huh?
Silly me.
this is it guys, The rest is up to us.
The future is free.
Really?
Imagine what WILL happen when most of asia decides to convert their debt to chineese coin.
And it will happen the moment the US thinks its the time to counter China's weight instead of playing nice.
Hey, i dont like it, but it does seem like bush fucked it up for ALL of us. (and im not an american, I just recognize that most of occident depends heavily on the modern Rome... and ive always liked rome right from the begining, up to where those crazy christians fucked it for the rest of us).
Honey, when your country owes a couple of trillion dollars to its potential enemies (China), its pretty much really fucked up.
Spending half a trillion dollars and making that debt in about ten years should go into the World Guiness Book of Records.
Dont you DHS loving repus feel safer now?
All hail the DHS.
This sounds SO, SO, SO improbable.
At least to me. Ya think they land in previously landed places?
I mean its a whole planet. It would seem to me that if you calculate a, say 1000 kilometer radius from your landing site that is "clean" (noone landed inside the circle) by our records, this posibility you point out is highly improbable to happen.
Even more so if you pick the lannding at random.
In any case, i would be astonished to find out that they knowingly went in and landed in a contaminated site: everything we touch there we contaminate.
If only bush would stop being an idiot, this problem you so masterfully point out would be solved.
Well... erm... those four then.
Where can i get this magicall non-verified certificates everyone is talking about?
Last time I checked, you couldnt get it if you didnt send some ID in for the person paying the bill.
Please Cease and Desist in your publication of internally documented coding standards at AmEx.
Failure to comply will result in a visit from GWB dressed as Meryl Strip in The Devil Wears Prada.
Thank you very much.
UNLESS you want to do things in-house and take responsibility for distributing the trusted root certificate for your own CA to those that need it. That there is the best option, but most folks don't want to do that and for yourbank.com it would be a big expense to make sure all the customers received this cert in an offline/secure way.
Correct. More so: most financial services that some of my customers use (and some of them are full fledged stock market brokerage firms), work with this scheme. As you say, the best possible (and a plus if your throw in client certs in there), is being your on CA for the people using your services.
Its a bitch, but security almost always is.
Well... he is going to need some serius identity data from the company.
At least last time I bought, you need the all the legal documents that make up the company and the signature of a valid company representative.
It aint that easy.
Having said this, I hate the schema of CA's basically because it grants monopolies to companies whose only value-add is the fact that they check this things before selling the cert.
If they dont, they shouldnt be trusted by default in any broser.
Depends on what you mean by "Open Source". If everything microsoft does goes Free Software (a real FOSS license that protects the six freedoms), its free, forever.
Yes, they will still make a buck: GOOD! If we only managed to convince them of that.....
Sigh
The day this happens without them later breaking "Foobar" later or making proprietary forks of it, hell will freeze.
Its getting mighty cold down there, but not THAT much.
Ah... and by the way: charging them head on IS WORKING very well. Thank you very much.
Man... who on earth would want MICROSOFT to trust them?
Get a grip: they were once a good thing for computerdom, they freed a many developer from really mean overlords, but they became one themselves and do not want to cave in and cooperate so that we can transition to a competitive market where everyone can make a buck without them necessarily making ten.
Its time for them to be smitten. And smite them the lord will.
(sorry for the bad spelling, it wouldve read quite nicely if i knew how to write better english)
And Dr. Evil as well for good meassure....
Er....