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I think you're a little confused about what AJAX technologies are and where they run.
AJAX is a presentation philosophy (AKA: a client-side issue). It runs independent of the server technology used. On various projects, I have implemented AJAX on servers running PHP, ColdFusion, and static HTML. AJAX is server platform independent.
As for the particulars of IE7, I can say that using script.aculo.us and Prototype libraries run the same if not improved on IE7 in comparison to IE6. The fact that the libraries themselves are actively being tested for IE7 as new beta comes out means that I don't have to do anything extra for the changes; It just works.
I understand the initial concern for IE7/IE6 compatibility, but sticking with a popular library solve this problem and make the concern a non-issue.
As for the server-side of AJAX, what you'll be coding are pages that output either HTML, XML, or JSON. Any server platform can create this kind of output, so questions of server compatibility are moot.
But my word of cation is this: Know why you are changing a component to an AJAX philosophy and how best to implement it. There are good reasons to use AJAX as there are bad ones. Please proceed with cation and purpose.
Not my department. I only make web applications for a different department. I've already been in talks with the help desk department and we already were making some progress. This news helps these matters.
And there's no worry about getting the Macs removed. That's just crazy-talk!
Working for a certain college in Boston, I have to deal with MacIE for all my web applications. Why? Because of PC users.
On our campus, we have eMacs as kiosks in the halls. Using Fruitmenu, there are three programs in the 'Internet' folder: Safari, Firefox, & MacIE. For the Mac users, they all go for Safari or Firefox. However, PC users will use Internet Explorer. Why? Because that's what they use on the PC, so it must be the same, right?:rolleyes:
It wasn't removed due to a bit of bureaucratic mixups and politics. As a web developer, I was breaking one of my rules and using user-agent detection to sniff out MacIE and explicit instructions to use Firefox or Safari on that kiosk.
Now that I can point to Microsoft officially stopping support, it will be a lot easier to get the application removed all together.
Use of GAIM will only prevent propagation of this worm. There are more levels at play here.
The worm is actually installed from a link you would click on from an infected IM. Nothing fancy here, it's just a simple HTML link. Clicking on this link will call up your web browser. What happens here depends on both the browser, patches, browser settings, and you. In IE, it's likely that the executable will just run it. Or, ask you to download/run said file. The latter true for Firefox or Opera as well as IE.
In any case, if your computer runs this executable, the computer in infected and it's game over. BUT, you won't be spreading the worm to others since you're using GAIM. The spreading of the worm depends on the AIM (or AOL?) client running on the computer.
That is until the worm writers also write for GAIM.
North American Auto Show has a few things that E3 can take cue from. Most comes from the schedule. The whole show runs Jan 8th - 22nd, BUT:
Press Days Jan 8 - 10 "You must have a NAIAS issued media credential to attend the show during Press Days."
Industry Preview Days Jan 11 - 12 "Industry Preview Days is an exclusive opportunity for companies in the automotive industry to invite their key contacts, suppliers and employees to preview one of the top auto shows in the world. This is the perfect time for companies to share in the excitement of the auto show before the official opening to the public."
Charity Preview: Jan 13th 6p - 9p "17,500 people attended the 2005 Charity Preview, raising more than $7 million for 11 Detroit-area children's charities. Since its 1976 inception, the black tie event has raised over $58 million."
Public Days: Jan 14 - 22 Everyone can attend.
Obviously this is a car show and E3 doesn't run this long (though it could run longer). But it separates the show for press, industry, and then allows the public to attended. It even puts some good back into the community with a $400/person fundraiser. Just some thoughts.
I'm sorry I can't find the sources, but I remember that the developer consences was that the game wasn't going quite as well as the Sam & Max game.
Reguradless, the situation is more grim for Full Throttle than for Sam & Max. The key point to keep in mind is that the Intellectual Property (IP) of Sam & Max is owned by Steve Purcell. LucasArts aquired a licence to produce a game based off of the comic book series for both the 1993 release and the developed 2004 release. Though Purcell owns the IP, LucasArts owns the game property.
This is why you're not going to see the game LucasArts started to produce. In addition to aquiring the licence from Purcell, a developer/publisher would have to buy the rights to the 2004 game material. In short, that would be stuipid if possiable. So TellTale will make a new game in-house.
Full Throttle is wholely owned by LucasArts. Not just the games, but the propery of the characters/story/etc. Either LucasArts develops the game, or someone buys the IP from LucasArts. LucasArts would charge a lot of money if they are willing to let go of the IP. That will not happen.
There are three books released under the Myst story and intergrate well with the game's storyline. IMHO, they made novels based on video games readable. To be honest, I'm suprized the reporter Clive Thompson didn't mention Myst. It certainly proved that novalization was possiable and rewarding.
Go to your local book store and look in the Sci-Fi/Fantacy section and look for "The Myst Reader". Instead of three books, they put them all in one huge softcover. Some from of Myst book has always been in stock since they first came out with them.
There's an app I'm working on that would be perfect for SVG. Saddly the computer labs won't have any SVG support till next fall, and the application is due in Febuary.
Warning: Apple reference ahead, but no where does it state the fix is to buy an Apple computer.
What would help the situation is if roll-ups or service packs were released in conjunction with hot fixes, limiting the number of total patch installers.
Let's take Apple for example. In a nutshell, there's the retail box release (10.4.0), then a few security patches as needed (Denoted as: date of post). Let's say there are three of such fixes.
Active Patch Installers: 3 (1 reboot)
Eventually a point release is made (Denoted as: 10.4.1). This point release includes all of the previous security patches as well as other fixes usually along the lines of 'recommended' as Microsoft would put it.
Active Patch Installers: 1 (1 reboot)
After 10.4.1 is released, a few more security holes are found and patched, each with a date of release. We'll say there's two.
Active Patch Installers: 3 (1 reboot)
When 10.4.2 comes around, Apple releases two versions of the update: A smaller file size for systems with 10.4.1 installed A larger file if 10.4.0 (Retail) installed.
Active Patch Installers: 2 - Only one needed (1 reboot)
Here's the key point: From the retail version of the software, you only need to install one service pack release, and maybe 3 to 5 security patches at any point in time. Not 50 which branching restart cycles; One to five patches, one restart.
Obviously there's some variation here and there. Apple will have a lot more than five updates at a time for all the other non-OS software, but the underlining concept is there:
The fewer the installers and restarts, the easier patches are for the normal user.
I went further with people and switched the icons so that the Firefox shortcuts had the IE logo and renamed them "Internet Explorer".
For most, I tell them that Firefox != IE, but it will still do what they want to do and reduce the risk of malware infection. And all with out ointments or creams!
I started to write a response to this point-by-point, but quickly I realized how ill your perception is. Not to mention your previous posts.
The statements in the agreement only apply to being a beta tester. The license for the final project will be extremely different from this closed beta test. This license will be available on the website for public viewing; A practice not common in the industry.
The reason for these statements are to protect me from being sued. I am doing everything I can to make it work the first time. However, things happen. Even with the three computers I have to test the game, no one has the same exact computers I own. That's what beta testing is for.
Also, I need to protect the assets such as video and sound. The personal I have working on the project have not agreed to a creative commons license or GPL work. Release in such a manor would be breach of contract to these individuals. I am currently working on other projects under the CC and GPL, but Antidote is not one of them.
This statements do not include malware. After working for two years at an IT Help Desk, I would not be going right to creating such programs. Hell, I wouldn't have the time anyway!
I may be a undergrad at Emerson College, but I know that license agreements are there for a reason. I'm sorry you don't agree to the license, but that's why you didn't apply and others did tonight.
Personally, I think the open category is between Alien Hominid and Gish.
Alien Hommid is the only non-PC (PS2 and Gamecube) game in competition, and has a very solid following via Newgrounds since the game started as a flash-based game.
Gish wins out in both looks and physics. Epically the physics. It also shares a fan base from Newgrounds as they advertised heavily on NG and post NG content.
Personally, I hope Alien Hommid wins. I have no real reason that it beats out the other. Both are very good games.
Now next year, I'm hoping Antidote sweeps the awards!
The Myst series is completely driven with one mouse button. Uru may be a bit difficult, but Myst, Riven, Exile, and Revelation are in the clear.
I know this is a bit shameless, but my current project Antidote will also be great. It's the same type of game engine as Myst but more focus on character development than puzzles for puzzles sake. It will be available in April.
But I use CPUs since I'm used to dealing with users who bring screens, keyboards, mouse, speakers, cords, and their computer that using CPU gets the idea across. That or they ask what I'm talking about and get the 'just the computer box' concept.
The only SP2 installs I had fail on me were one custom CPU I own and one where the laptop was unpluged and the battery cut.
But for hotfixes, patches, and lesser updates, I've never had a problem personally or with the hundereds of CPUs that come in to the desk.
Now, I find OS X updates as a whole better to deal with as Apple will milestone their updates. Something I wish Redmond would do more often. But to be honest, I've had some quick OS X updates fail on me more than Windows updates.
What about my game, Antidote, you insensitive clod!
Sorry, had to say it. It is the most anticipated game at Emerson College. It may be the only game being produced at Emerson, but it is the most anticipated!
"... he doesn't care about safety/privacy concerns."
I'll bet he's also the guy who is OK with requesting someone's e-mail password over the phone, or just leaving his credit card for anyone to use. Not to mention he doesn't wear a seat belt, since he doesn't conern about safty either.
I'm sorry I don't have links to quote my sources, but here's the gist and in a nutshell, so I am missing lots of info, and may be wrong:
AOL and MS signed a 7-year deal where AOL would use IE exclusively and MS would include AOL links and software in Windows. AOL is contracted to use IE at all costs, MS shows links to AOL with its software.
We haven't really went that far yet since my deadline proceeds the attempt to develop it as a free software project. Though it's not outside of my thinking. Though likely it will be GPL and released on SourceForge.net.
The site is a grand experiement so a lot of infustructer may be change when we release in May. But I'll bring it up to the team and start thinking about moving towards that end. The problem is trying to build parts that fit into Emerson College, yet still can be used at other colleges. A pain the arce if you ask me!
As far as a tech side, it's currently using the folowing: PHP PostgreSQL ADOBdb (via Interakt PHAkt)
I'm also using KTML from InterAKT, but that's released under the AFPL which isn't good. I couldn't find an easy WYSIWYG tool that works in at least in IE and Firefox/Mozilla. If anyone knows any thing, please come forward!
As the lead website programmer for the Student Government Association for Emerson College, I and my fellow team members are working on an issue tracking system for the entirety of Emerson College. Thought the system, we can identify, analize, and resolve issues and concerns in an open diologe for all members of the college community.
This system (We're calling it ECVoices) is for any student, staff, or faculty member to submit an issue of concern about the college to the SGA. Our intent is to bridge the gaps between the faculty, administration, and student together about the small and large issues of Emerson College.
I'm sorry I can't give a preview right now since we are still in development, but I want to make the point that available of technology is only worth the investment if there are tools that utilize the technology. Emily Garr, the president of the SGA first came up with the idea of such a forum. When she enlisted the help of thecrew and I, we worked with her and the rest of the Emerson College community to develop this system.
My hope to you (the poster and any others in similar positions) is that you take advantage of the technology put in place. Do not be afraid if you do not know how to program or know the gross details of developing a technology. Know what you want from the technology, then find the people who can help make it happen.
If you (or anyone else) is interested in the ECVoices project, feel free to send me a note.
But what if you are visiting the district you represent during the votes? Not sticking to Washington DC and loosing sight of your constituents? Not to say that all congresspersons are always absent for good reasons, but there are few that do.
Personally, I wish there was a way to enact remote voting in a secure fashion. But for something as important as congressional voting, I don't think there's a good way to go about it in a way everyone would be in agreement on. Let alone approving such a drastic change in the 200+ year rules.
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I think you're a little confused about what AJAX technologies are and where they run.
AJAX is a presentation philosophy (AKA: a client-side issue). It runs independent of the server technology used. On various projects, I have implemented AJAX on servers running PHP, ColdFusion, and static HTML. AJAX is server platform independent.
As for the particulars of IE7, I can say that using script.aculo.us and Prototype libraries run the same if not improved on IE7 in comparison to IE6. The fact that the libraries themselves are actively being tested for IE7 as new beta comes out means that I don't have to do anything extra for the changes; It just works.
I understand the initial concern for IE7/IE6 compatibility, but sticking with a popular library solve this problem and make the concern a non-issue.
As for the server-side of AJAX, what you'll be coding are pages that output either HTML, XML, or JSON. Any server platform can create this kind of output, so questions of server compatibility are moot.
But my word of cation is this: Know why you are changing a component to an AJAX philosophy and how best to implement it. There are good reasons to use AJAX as there are bad ones. Please proceed with cation and purpose.
Not my department. I only make web applications for a different department. I've already been in talks with the help desk department and we already were making some progress. This news helps these matters.
And there's no worry about getting the Macs removed. That's just crazy-talk!
This is the best news I got this weekend!
:rolleyes:
Working for a certain college in Boston, I have to deal with MacIE for all my web applications. Why? Because of PC users.
On our campus, we have eMacs as kiosks in the halls. Using Fruitmenu, there are three programs in the 'Internet' folder: Safari, Firefox, & MacIE. For the Mac users, they all go for Safari or Firefox. However, PC users will use Internet Explorer. Why? Because that's what they use on the PC, so it must be the same, right?
It wasn't removed due to a bit of bureaucratic mixups and politics. As a web developer, I was breaking one of my rules and using user-agent detection to sniff out MacIE and explicit instructions to use Firefox or Safari on that kiosk.
Now that I can point to Microsoft officially stopping support, it will be a lot easier to get the application removed all together.
Assuming you're on a Windows operating system.
Use of GAIM will only prevent propagation of this worm. There are more levels at play here.
The worm is actually installed from a link you would click on from an infected IM. Nothing fancy here, it's just a simple HTML link. Clicking on this link will call up your web browser. What happens here depends on both the browser, patches, browser settings, and you. In IE, it's likely that the executable will just run it. Or, ask you to download/run said file. The latter true for Firefox or Opera as well as IE.
In any case, if your computer runs this executable, the computer in infected and it's game over. BUT, you won't be spreading the worm to others since you're using GAIM. The spreading of the worm depends on the AIM (or AOL?) client running on the computer.
That is until the worm writers also write for GAIM.
North American Auto Show has a few things that E3 can take cue from. Most comes from the schedule. The whole show runs Jan 8th - 22nd, BUT:
Press Days Jan 8 - 10
"You must have a NAIAS issued media credential to attend the show during Press Days."
Industry Preview Days Jan 11 - 12
"Industry Preview Days is an exclusive opportunity for companies in the automotive industry to invite their key contacts, suppliers and employees to preview one of the top auto shows in the world. This is the perfect time for companies to share in the excitement of the auto show before the official opening to the public."
Charity Preview: Jan 13th 6p - 9p
"17,500 people attended the 2005 Charity Preview, raising more than $7 million for 11 Detroit-area children's charities. Since its 1976 inception, the black tie event has raised over $58 million."
Public Days: Jan 14 - 22
Everyone can attend.
Obviously this is a car show and E3 doesn't run this long (though it could run longer). But it separates the show for press, industry, and then allows the public to attended. It even puts some good back into the community with a $400/person fundraiser. Just some thoughts.
I'm sorry I can't find the sources, but I remember that the developer consences was that the game wasn't going quite as well as the Sam & Max game.
/story/etc. Either LucasArts develops the game, or someone buys the IP from LucasArts. LucasArts would charge a lot of money if they are willing to let go of the IP. That will not happen.
Reguradless, the situation is more grim for Full Throttle than for Sam & Max. The key point to keep in mind is that the Intellectual Property (IP) of Sam & Max is owned by Steve Purcell. LucasArts aquired a licence to produce a game based off of the comic book series for both the 1993 release and the developed 2004 release. Though Purcell owns the IP, LucasArts owns the game property.
This is why you're not going to see the game LucasArts started to produce. In addition to aquiring the licence from Purcell, a developer/publisher would have to buy the rights to the 2004 game material. In short, that would be stuipid if possiable. So TellTale will make a new game in-house.
Full Throttle is wholely owned by LucasArts. Not just the games, but the propery of the characters
There are three books released under the Myst story and intergrate well with the game's storyline. IMHO, they made novels based on video games readable. To be honest, I'm suprized the reporter Clive Thompson didn't mention Myst. It certainly proved that novalization was possiable and rewarding.
Go to your local book store and look in the Sci-Fi/Fantacy section and look for "The Myst Reader". Instead of three books, they put them all in one huge softcover. Some from of Myst book has always been in stock since they first came out with them.
There's an app I'm working on that would be perfect for SVG. Saddly the computer labs won't have any SVG support till next fall, and the application is due in Febuary.
Works for me. Here's a good page of samples for you to check out:
Croczilla SVG Samples
Warning: Apple reference ahead, but no where does it state the fix is to buy an Apple computer.
What would help the situation is if roll-ups or service packs were released in conjunction with hot fixes, limiting the number of total patch installers.
Let's take Apple for example. In a nutshell, there's the retail box release (10.4.0), then a few security patches as needed (Denoted as: date of post). Let's say there are three of such fixes.
Active Patch Installers: 3 (1 reboot)
Eventually a point release is made (Denoted as: 10.4.1). This point release includes all of the previous security patches as well as other fixes usually along the lines of 'recommended' as Microsoft would put it.
Active Patch Installers: 1 (1 reboot)
After 10.4.1 is released, a few more security holes are found and patched, each with a date of release. We'll say there's two.
Active Patch Installers: 3 (1 reboot)
When 10.4.2 comes around, Apple releases two versions of the update:
A smaller file size for systems with 10.4.1 installed
A larger file if 10.4.0 (Retail) installed.
Active Patch Installers: 2 - Only one needed (1 reboot)
Here's the key point: From the retail version of the software, you only need to install one service pack release, and maybe 3 to 5 security patches at any point in time. Not 50 which branching restart cycles; One to five patches, one restart.
Obviously there's some variation here and there. Apple will have a lot more than five updates at a time for all the other non-OS software, but the underlining concept is there:
The fewer the installers and restarts, the easier patches are for the normal user.
I went further with people and switched the icons so that the Firefox shortcuts had the IE logo and renamed them "Internet Explorer".
For most, I tell them that Firefox != IE, but it will still do what they want to do and reduce the risk of malware infection. And all with out ointments or creams!
I started to write a response to this point-by-point, but quickly I realized how ill your perception is. Not to mention your previous posts.
The statements in the agreement only apply to being a beta tester. The license for the final project will be extremely different from this closed beta test. This license will be available on the website for public viewing; A practice not common in the industry.
The reason for these statements are to protect me from being sued. I am doing everything I can to make it work the first time. However, things happen. Even with the three computers I have to test the game, no one has the same exact computers I own. That's what beta testing is for.
Also, I need to protect the assets such as video and sound. The personal I have working on the project have not agreed to a creative commons license or GPL work. Release in such a manor would be breach of contract to these individuals. I am currently working on other projects under the CC and GPL, but Antidote is not one of them.
This statements do not include malware. After working for two years at an IT Help Desk, I would not be going right to creating such programs. Hell, I wouldn't have the time anyway!
I may be a undergrad at Emerson College, but I know that license agreements are there for a reason. I'm sorry you don't agree to the license, but that's why you didn't apply and others did tonight.
Personally, I think the open category is between Alien Hominid and Gish.
Alien Hommid is the only non-PC (PS2 and Gamecube) game in competition, and has a very solid following via Newgrounds since the game started as a flash-based game.
Gish wins out in both looks and physics. Epically the physics. It also shares a fan base from Newgrounds as they advertised heavily on NG and post NG content.
Personally, I hope Alien Hommid wins. I have no real reason that it beats out the other. Both are very good games.
Now next year, I'm hoping Antidote sweeps the awards!
* Poster is the creator of Antidote.
The Myst series is completely driven with one mouse button. Uru may be a bit difficult, but Myst, Riven, Exile, and Revelation are in the clear.
I know this is a bit shameless, but my current project Antidote will also be great. It's the same type of game engine as Myst but more focus on character development than puzzles for puzzles sake. It will be available in April.
Nope, not a sysadmin. Just a helpdesk tech.
But I use CPUs since I'm used to dealing with users who bring screens, keyboards, mouse, speakers, cords, and their computer that using CPU gets the idea across. That or they ask what I'm talking about and get the 'just the computer box' concept.
It was pluged in when it started, but then it was moved, the cord got unpluged, and POOF!
The only SP2 installs I had fail on me were one custom CPU I own and one where the laptop was unpluged and the battery cut.
But for hotfixes, patches, and lesser updates, I've never had a problem personally or with the hundereds of CPUs that come in to the desk.
Now, I find OS X updates as a whole better to deal with as Apple will milestone their updates. Something I wish Redmond would do more often. But to be honest, I've had some quick OS X updates fail on me more than Windows updates.
What about my game, Antidote, you insensitive clod!
Sorry, had to say it. It is the most anticipated game at Emerson College. It may be the only game being produced at Emerson, but it is the most anticipated!
Have you ever tired to educate such a user?
Sorry, you lost me at:
"... he doesn't care about safety/privacy concerns."
I'll bet he's also the guy who is OK with requesting someone's e-mail password over the phone, or just leaving his credit card for anyone to use. Not to mention he doesn't wear a seat belt, since he doesn't conern about safty either.
I'm sorry I don't have links to quote my sources, but here's the gist and in a nutshell, so I am missing lots of info, and may be wrong:
AOL and MS signed a 7-year deal where AOL would use IE exclusively and MS would include AOL links and software in Windows. AOL is contracted to use IE at all costs, MS shows links to AOL with its software.
We haven't really went that far yet since my deadline proceeds the attempt to develop it as a free software project. Though it's not outside of my thinking. Though likely it will be GPL and released on SourceForge.net.
The site is a grand experiement so a lot of infustructer may be change when we release in May. But I'll bring it up to the team and start thinking about moving towards that end. The problem is trying to build parts that fit into Emerson College, yet still can be used at other colleges. A pain the arce if you ask me!
As far as a tech side, it's currently using the folowing:
PHP
PostgreSQL
ADOBdb (via Interakt PHAkt)
I'm also using KTML from InterAKT, but that's released under the AFPL which isn't good. I couldn't find an easy WYSIWYG tool that works in at least in IE and Firefox/Mozilla. If anyone knows any thing, please come forward!
As the lead website programmer for the Student Government Association for Emerson College, I and my fellow team members are working on an issue tracking system for the entirety of Emerson College. Thought the system, we can identify, analize, and resolve issues and concerns in an open diologe for all members of the college community.
This system (We're calling it ECVoices) is for any student, staff, or faculty member to submit an issue of concern about the college to the SGA. Our intent is to bridge the gaps between the faculty, administration, and student together about the small and large issues of Emerson College.
I'm sorry I can't give a preview right now since we are still in development, but I want to make the point that available of technology is only worth the investment if there are tools that utilize the technology. Emily Garr, the president of the SGA first came up with the idea of such a forum. When she enlisted the help of the crew and I, we worked with her and the rest of the Emerson College community to develop this system.
My hope to you (the poster and any others in similar positions) is that you take advantage of the technology put in place. Do not be afraid if you do not know how to program or know the gross details of developing a technology. Know what you want from the technology, then find the people who can help make it happen.
If you (or anyone else) is interested in the ECVoices project, feel free to send me a note.
But what if you are visiting the district you represent during the votes? Not sticking to Washington DC and loosing sight of your constituents? Not to say that all congresspersons are always absent for good reasons, but there are few that do.
Personally, I wish there was a way to enact remote voting in a secure fashion. But for something as important as congressional voting, I don't think there's a good way to go about it in a way everyone would be in agreement on. Let alone approving such a drastic change in the 200+ year rules.
The Congressperson must be present in order to vote within a small window of time.
I found some more info on the Senate and a lot more for the House of Representatives.