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13 New Windows Security Vunerabilities

Petree writes "Microsoft has given advance notice that on February 8th, they will be releasing patches for 13 vunerabilities. Happily a day later they'll have a nice little webcast so answer questions about the vunerabilities. Windows users, don't forget to run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning."

410 comments

  1. "Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And then again on Tuesday when the actual updates come out.

    1. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then again on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday .....

    2. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny
      Of course, you'll have to run it again Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday:

      FTFA

      1. 9 Microsoft Security Bulletins ... Some of these updates will require a restart.
      2. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... These updates may or may not require a restart.
      3. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... This update will require a restart.
      4. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ...These updates will require a restart.
      5. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... These updates will require a restart.
      By the time you've rebooted (up to 13 times per machine) ... I pity the guy who has more than 1 or two machines to patch - anyone with 100 boxes will still be rebooting on Valentine's day.

      Nice of them to issue the patches in time for Troll Tuesday ...

    3. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Of course, you'll have to run it again Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday:

      FTFA

      1. 9 Microsoft Security Bulletins ... Some of these updates will require a restart.
      2. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... These updates may or may not require a restart.
      3. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... This update will require a restart.
      4. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ...These updates will require a restart.
      5. 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin ... These updates will require a restart.

      By the time you've rebooted (up to 13 times per machine) ... I pity the guy who has more than 1 or two machines to patch - anyone with 100 boxes will still be rebooting on Valentine's day.

      It's been my experience that all security hotfixes can be installed at once and then a single reboot is all that's necessary. I suspect that the same will be true on Tuesday.

    4. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by theancient2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's only necessary to reboot once, not after each update. (The only time you need to reboot more than once is when installing a major update, such as a new version of Internet Explorer.)

    5. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by petree · · Score: 1

      Yep that would be smarter... ;)

    6. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by bcmm · · Score: 1

      You don't HAVE to restart for each one. They just don't take effect until you restart.
      Like installing anything on Windows.

      Does anyone know of any updates/installations that actually need a full restart under Linux, excluding the Kernel?

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    7. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Blender · · Score: 1

      I'm curious... when you do the patching by hand, applying them one after another, you have to run qchain.exe and then reboot. Does Windows Update do that automatically or will you actually have to reboot between patches?

    8. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Test, install, reboot, oops, something not quite right, roll back all the fixes and install 1 at a time ..., lather, rinse, repeat.

      ... unless all the machines are identical clones (same hardware, same software).

    9. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by vk2 · · Score: 1

      While installing a different distro ?

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    10. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by penguinboy · · Score: 1

      Only if you need a new kernel. You can switch from Debian to Ubuntu without rebooting, if you don't mind running the Debian kernel.

    11. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 1

      You know perfectly well that's untrue. You can install all the patches and reboot once. It's this type of misleading information that exacerbates the problems created when people become "afraid" of patching.

    12. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> By the time you've rebooted (up to 13 times per machine)

      tomhudson is trolling or clueless :
      1 reboot after all patches installed.
      Enterprise rollout is automated. 100 or 1000 machines makes no difference.

    13. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to run anything, windows will do it for me.

    14. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, in order to change my screen resolution, I have to restart the X-server.

      Something that is slower than rebooting my Windows XP system.

    15. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by andalay · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats odd, xfce, kde and gnome all have applets/applications that do this for you without restarting X.

    16. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    17. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by bcmm · · Score: 1

      This kind of counts as installing a new kernel, methinks.

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      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    18. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


      That's only if they install in the first place...

      I ran Windows Update on the 2000 side of the machine. Three new security updates.

      Two failed to install.

      Why?

      Who knows? The updater won't tell you.

      Way to go, Bill...you fucking moron...(not you, poster, Bill)

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    19. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by TheCabal · · Score: 1

      Uh, all modern Windows OS's have qchain built in. Only one reboot needed.

    20. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by jwaters · · Score: 1

      Multiple reboots for patches hasn't been required since the late Windows NT4 days, and definitely not since the Windows 2000 days. The one exception to this is a full-blown service pack, which isn't included in this batch of updates.

    21. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Informative
      You must get all your 'knowledge' from google, because it's obvious you have never actually had to install updates on 1000 machines yourself. If you did, you'd find MS has a nice toold called SUS server, that will roll them out to your network for you. No need to 'reboot till valentines day'

      As the grandparent said, you are either clueless or a troll.

    22. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple reboots for patches hasn't been required since the late Windows NT4 days, and definitely not since the Windows 2000 days.

      not surprising, it seems a surprisingly many slashdotters actually talk about so old versions, most commonly Win95, when they talk about and compare with the capabilities of "windows".

    23. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by lseltzer · · Score: 1

      Will someone please mod this dipshit down?

    24. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      And only an ID-10-T will roll out patches to 1000 machines without testing them first.

    25. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone with 100 boxes will still be rebooting on Valentine's day

      Not a problem, administrators don't have girlfriends anyway.
    26. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      And who said we don't test them first mr troll?

    27. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by binarybum · · Score: 1

      haha. now you have to change your sig!

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    28. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone know of any updates/installations that actually need a full restart under Linux, excluding the Kernel?

      libXXX.so -- unless you really know which process uses which one you'd better do a reboot. Of course a libc upgrade requires one anyway.

    29. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So, if you DO test them, you're not going to be applying them to everyone Tuesday, are you ...

      You know, I've got to agree with the "Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" - before the new patches are out on Tuesday - because these patches are not just minor. If you had bothered to read Microsoft's announcement, you'd see that Microsoft is devoting twice the webcast time they usually do just to explain them.

      If Microsoft is worried, maybe you should be too.

    30. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly the situation depicted in the OP.

      Once to install all the "minor" updates + one of the "major" ones then 12 more times to install the remaining "major" ones. If you had to reboot after EVERY update you would have to reboot thousands of times and it would probably be impossible to install the patches fast enough to stay ahead of the game.

    31. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most times you can update without even needing even a single reboot. If it isnt changing vital system files, a reboot is unnecessary.

    32. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Rangataua · · Score: 1

      And again on Wednesday for people living in New Zealand and Australia (Wednesday morning is NZ & AU is Tuesday afternoon in US).

    33. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had to do four reboots on each of thirteen XP machines last week. Of course, they hadn't been updated since they were set up a little over a year ago, so hopefully your mileage has varied greatly. It was some HTTP transport (forget exactly what) patch for the new WindersUpdate, then a clump of nearly a dozen miscellaneous patches, then SP2, then another pair. Hmm, considering the two admin machines I was dealing with, that mean I rebooted XP over sixty times that day. Wow. Just, wow.

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    34. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by macosxaddict · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any operating system where updating the web browser is a "major update" is fundamentally flawed.

    35. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

      And then again on Wednesday for people on the other side of the dateline. :-p

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    36. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Once again Mr. Troll, where did I say what day I was going to roll them out. First you have no clue that there is even a tool to make rollouts at large sites painless, and now you just assume every bad admin move that can be done will be done. The great grandparent was wrong, you are both clueless AND a troll. A very sad combination. Pathetic really.

    37. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      First you have no clue that there is even a tool to make rollouts at large sites painless,
      I can't figure out whether you're trying to be pathetic, ignorant, or stupid - it's been mentioned 2,260 times here on /. (just google for "windows update local server site:slashdot.org" for the 2,260 items it recovers from slashdot for pushing updates to the desktop from a local update server. Top assume that ANYONE has missed all of them is lame. So much for the "clueless" bit.

      As for the troll remark, all it does is prove once again that Windows users lack a sense of humour, which is understandable - after all, having to continue to pay for stuff that's of lower quality because you've gotten yourself well and truly "vendor locked in", guess you've got less reason to smile. Especially since Tuesday is going to be a busy day for both of us ... but for different reasons.

    38. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      So that's why you thought folks would have to reboot their machine 13 times each, and that anyone with 100 boxes would be rebooting till Valentine's day. Because you already knew about SUS server. Right. Idiot troll.

    39. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      As I explained, not ALL patches are going to work on all machines. What part of "roll back the patches, apply individually, reboot" didn't you understand?

      How likely is it that anyone with 100 boxes is going to have all the patches work right first time, and not discover any issues moving forward? Not very.

      But, since you like to indulge in name-calling, I guess I should point out that you're the one who:

      1. purposefully takes remarks out of context (a troll technique, but not a very good one)
      2. bases his arguments on assumptions that are proven not to be true (another troll technique, but again not very effective); anyone who's been here for a few years knows the history of microsoft patch mismanagement...
      3. when confronted with links (mine and other posters) that contradict your arguments, dismiss them without commenting on their content (a third troll technique, ...)
      4. prefers ad hominem attacks to substance (flamer technique)
      But no, you're not a troll - you're just a Microsnot Fanboi . . . But that's okay - keep worshiping Windows - these people will be looking for jobs and will thank you for it.
    40. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      "How likely is it that anyone with 100 boxes is going to have all the patches work right first time, and not discover any issues moving forward? Not very."...

      Guess what. The vast vast majority of MS patches don't break any thing on most networks. Apparently you aren't aware of that fact.

      The next thing you need to learn, is that on large networks, computers are generally ordered in large batches, and people buy lines like Dell's Optiplex rather than Dimension, or Latitude rather than Inspiron. Why? Because it's guaranteed that we can order machines identical to them 6 months later when we might need another batch. The Dimension/Insprion lines have no such guarantee, and in fact change configurations constantly. Buy buying batches of these guaranteed identically configured machines the vast majority of machines on the network are one of a set of very few models. If the patches work on machine of that model, it will work on all of them. So we only have a handful of systems to test.

      As far as trollish'isms go, you were the one putting words into my mouth stating that I was going to roll out patches with out installing them, and that I was going to roll them out on tuesday. I never said or suggested either such thing.

      You should also learn that real knowledge goes from reading up and learning, not just googling to see how many times certain keywords pop up on certain websites. That tells you zero about the real content of those pages, as is shown by your lack of knowledge on how to implement such a system.

      Lastly, I'm no MS Fanboy. I use MS, OpenBSD and OSX machines daily. I also know how to competently admin them. What I won't do is tell some Solaris admins how to admin their machines when I have no background knowledge on how it really should be done properly. I suggest you do the same the next time you tell windows admins how to run their networks when it's obvious that you yourself have no real clue how to do it properly.

    41. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by Thundersnatch · · Score: 1

      How about you get a clue and run the free Software Update Services on your network? Then all you ahve to do is "approve" an update, and it gets applied without you doing anything.

    42. Re:"Run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning" by BandwidthHog · · Score: 1

      Knew about SUS, but didn't know it was free. Thanks for the info, but you can keep the condescension, punk.

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  2. Booooring... by Majorachre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another day another vulnerability. This is getting old. What's the point in continually reporting this drivel? We all know MS has their issues - but frankly I'm getting tired of all the wasted space on /.
    You're preaching to the choir!!

    1. Re:Booooring... by Blindman · · Score: 1

      You may have a point about "preaching to the choir," but here, much like in real life, people continue to do so. Besides, any day could be someone's first day on Slashdot, and we certainly wouldn't want this person to get the wrong idea.

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    2. Re:Booooring... by mw13068 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I recall correctly, the /. tagline is "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." I believe, despite your objection and concern about the size of the /. article database (i.e. "wasted space") that this article fits the general area of interest. I might suggest that the next time you encounter something that bores you, you don't take the time to read it and comment on it, as that tends to muck up your boredom experience.

    3. Re:Booooring... by Donny+Smith · · Score: 1

      The first time this was news, the original article did fit the general idea of interest. Since it's become repetitive and hence waste of everyone's time (rather than space).

      Then again, even repetitive "good news" like this probably makes the day of many a MS-basher...

    4. Re:Booooring... by mw13068 · · Score: 1
      Since I did not see the first mention of this news on /., for me it is not repetitive.

      In terms of wasted time|space|*, how long does it take one to properly ignore one /. article and read the next that interests them? 15 minutes?

    5. Re:Booooring... by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps to inform the many number of Windows user who read Slashdot that updates will be available on February 8th so that our systems can be kept up to date rather than have those unsecured systems we all love to hate.

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    6. Re:Booooring... by iamacat · · Score: 1

      Well, this is news for nerds. Patch your co-workers systems on Tuesday morning, or spend weeks fixing their wasted systems a month later.

    7. Re:Booooring... by rcamans · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute.
      Exactly what space on /. is not wasted space?
      You must be exhausted.
      If you do not like it, do not read it. Duh..
      YUO are wasting space on /.
      Get off!

      Jeese, whiners, just what we need...

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    8. Re:Booooring... by defile · · Score: 1

      The part that's newsworthy isn't "another Windows exploit discovered". The part that's newsworthy is that the way Microsoft is handling the issue is a complete about-face from the usual way that they handle it.

      Usually, a security hole is discovered by someone who then spends a considerable amount of time advising Microsoft about the vulnerability. Microsoft will then acknowledge receipt and mention something about fixing it some day. In the worst case, Microsoft completely ignores the reporter. One day they do release a patch for the flaw. Some people even end up applying the patch.

      This situation is a little different. They've committed to a release date for a series of patches to holes that are, as of now, unknown. Furthermore, they're well publicising this fact and encouraging users to upgrade.

      Man bites dog.

    9. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are we supposed to do, stay off XP until next week? I'm doing that now, as a matter of fact, using Knoppix.

    10. Re:Booooring... by Nik13 · · Score: 1

      I saw that "news" on another site too. I see no reason why this is newsworthy. There's thousands of patches out for windows, and lots more will be out soon. Anything special about these? (of course I didn't RTFA).

      But it does a change from the daily MSN search article at least, so I guess I shouldn't complain.

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    11. Re:Booooring... by filmsmith · · Score: 1

      Preaching to the choir is how you make them sing.

      fs

    12. Re:Booooring... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

      Sort of. I too, get annoyed with all the Windows related "news" on /. But, the fact is that most Slashdot users are Windows users. As much as they go on about Linux or BSD or the GPL, they tend to be Windows users with only a smattering of experience in any other OS. I'd hazard a guess that about 80% of the readers are Windows users almost 100% of the time. 10% are mixed users who use Windows as their desktop and *nix for their servers at home. And the last 10% are *nix (including Mac OS X) users nearly 100% of the time. So it's not really preaching to the choir. Just for the record I fall within the last 10% entioned above.

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    13. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is slashverstising.. pretty usual

    14. Re:Booooring... by SadButTrue · · Score: 1

      > but frankly I'm getting tired of all the wasted space on /.

      set font-size=0, thats what I do

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    15. Re:Booooring... by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What I want to know is this:

      Are the holes real?

      (I mean, I know there are so many holes in windows the swiss cheese manufacturing association is suing)

      Since the great unwashed masses are going to buy windows. (They are, trust me) and Microsoft, knowing this, wants to boost sales.

      They announce, in this order:

      A) We don't support windows 2000, 98, ME, for new vulnerablities, you need XP sp2.

      B) We are not going to provide windows updates to non-legal installations of the software.

      C) There are now lots and lots of holes in all the software, so unless you buy a windows XP sp2 license, you will NOT be protected, and all the hackers will steal ALL your credit card, health, and skeleton-in-closets information. Buy now!

      D) Profit! (Announce best quarterly profit in years (oh, done that already)).

      They are banking on people's laziness and fear. And they are not the first.

      They are pointing the finger at the hacker, not at their own lack of software engineering skills. And Jow Sixpack is going to follow that line of reasoning. How could he not? He IS Joe Sixpack after all. So they look like they're standing up to the shadowy underworld of cyberspace on behalf of mom and pop, and mom and pop happily buy their wintel boxen.

      I say crackers need to lay low and not attack windows for about 1 year, and take a break. Since there won't be any bad things killing machines, people will be happy running their 4 year old windows ME, or that corporate windows 2000 pro from "a friend", and microsoft will have a really bad quarter. or two. And that will prompt leadership changes. And once that happens, then crackers can do whatever they want.

      I also want to point out that firefox had better get a foundation going with a couple of heavies in it, otherwise some corp is going to hire the lead guys out of the project. Can you say Google?

      As far as google: they should not be too keen to diversify. They can make a lot more money in search and custom-profiled advertisement. It's an undertapped market. They don't need to make enemies right now.

      On Sun, and that means you Jonathan, (tim, tell him), get people involved in the grid computing by providing free accounts for hackers and FOSS people. These people really influence their corporate PHBs. I know if I use it and love it, then I don't mind telling my boss and his boss that anything less is Mickey Mouse. And I'm fast becoming the leading enterprise J2EE developer at my place of business. But I ain't gonna spring 8760USD per annum to find out if it's any good.

      Microsoft: Make gaming software for linux. You will nearly redeem yourself. Donate some money (not software) to some foss foundations, no strings attached.

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    16. Re:Booooring... by Malc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another day, another anti-Microsoft zealot on /.

      Here are some recent security announcements from one of Linux's more reliable and secure distros:

      04/02/2005
      [DSA 667-1] New PostgreSQL packages fix arbitrary library loading
      *[DSA 667-1] New squid packages fix several vulnerabilities
      *[DSA 666-1] New Python2.2 packages fix unauthorised XML-RPC internals access

      02/02/2005
      [DSA 664-1] New cpio packages fix insecure file permissions

      01/02/2005
      *[DSA 663-1] New prozilla packages fix arbitrary code execution
      *[DSA 662-1] New squirrelmail package fixes several vulnerabilities

      27/01/2005
      [DSA 661-1] New f2c packages fix insecure temporary files

      26/01/2005
      [DSA 660-1] New kdebase packages fix authentication bypass
      *[DSA 659-1] New libpam-radius-auth packages fix several vulnerabilities

      25/01/2005
      [DSA 658-1] New libdbi-perl packages fix insecure temporary file
      (*)[DSA 657-1] New xine-lib packages fix arbitrary code execution
      *[DSA 656-1] New vdr packages fix insecure file access
      [DSA 655-1] New zhcon packages fix unauthorised file access

      Do I need to go on? That's an average of more than 1 a day.

      * = remote exploit
      (*) = can be turned in to a remote exploit

      One of those is potential remote exploit just watching DVDs! If you want to pick an OS or vendor apart, it's easy to do it to any of them. I'm not defending Microsoft, but they're far from unique. Of course, with the examples I've cited, I'm sure there will be many people who would like to quibble and try and make it seem less of an issue... if they'd been Microsoft exploits quite the opposite would occur. It's so dull and childish.

    17. Re:Booooring... by natrius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Microsoft cared about security issues in third party programs, their list of security announcements would be a lot longer than they are now.

    18. Re:Booooring... by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here are some recent security announcements from one of Linux's more reliable and secure distros:

      How many of those vulnerabilities are actually tied to the OS?

      Zero.

      How many of the windows vulnerabilities are tied to the OS?

      Mostly all of them.

      So do you want to count for example bsplayer's bugs so we can have a fair comparison against xine bugs?

    19. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any Linux vulnerabilities on that list. Oh, wait - you meant vulnerabilities in third-party programs that run on Linux. I don't see Microsoft reporting vulnerabilities in software written by non-Windows OS developers on their update list...

    20. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This wanker seems to think that pointing out flaws in third party software (python Xine, postgresql) is somehow equivilent to system level flaws found in windows XP.

      Apples and Oranges Homer.

    21. Re:Booooring... by Aeiri · · Score: 1

      Here are some recent security announcements from one of Linux's more reliable and secure distros:

      04/02/2005

      ...

      *[DSA 666-1] New Python2.2 packages fix unauthorised XML-RPC internals access


      Which "one of the more reliable and secure" distro is still using Python 2.2?

      Slackware 10, released back on 2004-06-23, had 2.3.4 in it, and -current (to be 10.1 soon) has 2.4 now.

    22. Re:Booooring... by Xerp · · Score: 1

      The OP quite evidentally is a user of Microsoft Windows, and has no concept of a third-party program. It is unlikely they have ever even used Linux.

    23. Re:Booooring... by DodgyGeezer · · Score: 1

      .Net Framework 1.1 part of the OS? /.ers have double-standards. When Microsoft announces security updates it's to do with the OS (even if it doesn't involve things like kernel32.dll). When a Linux vendor announces security it's got nothing to do with the OS (not part of the kernel). Wake up and smell the coffee and start comparing things on an even basis yourself.

    24. Re:Booooring... by edalytical · · Score: 1

      I don't use Linux and I certainly don't use Window, but perhaps the difference is the Windows exploits are exploitable on a standard install, and the Linux exploits require a user to turn something on like PostgreSQL or SquirrelMail, etc.

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    25. Re:Booooring... by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Attempting to draw sort of a line between "OS" and "irregular tools":

      [DSA 664-1] New cpio packages fix insecure file permissions
      It has been discovered, that cpio, a program to manage archives of files, creates output files with -O and -F with broken permissions due to a reset zero umask which allows local users to read or overwrite those files.
      Annoying, but hardly "critical"

      *[DSA 659-1] New libpam-radius-auth packages fix several vulnerabilities
      This is actually a mixed bag.
      The Debian package accidently installed its configuration file /etc/pam_radius_auth.conf world-readable.
      rather embarassing, but Deb-specific.
      Leon Juranic discoverd an integer underflow in the mod_auth_radius module for Apache which is also present in libpam-radius-auth.
      more general, indeed.

      and even (assuming a KDE desktop):
      [DSA 660-1] New kdebase packages fix authentication bypass
      Raphaël Enrici discovered that the KDE screensaver can crash under certain local circumstances. This can be exploited by an attacker with physical access to the workstation to take over the desktop session.
      This problem has been fixed upstream in KDE 3.0.5 and is thereforefixed in the unstable (sid) and testing (sarge) distributions already.


      The rest are additional packages installed on a per-need basis. You don't argue MSSQL vulnerabilities are Windows vulnerabilities, do you? Or those of the compiler? (f2c indeed - that must be highly critical for home users)

      Contrast this with the Windows anouncement where the 10 vulns affecting the OS are rated Critical.
    26. Re:Booooring... by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      What's the point in continually reporting this drivel?

      Because I never get tired of being happy I have a Mac.

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    27. Re:Booooring... by aichpvee · · Score: 0

      How is it "good news"? Then all of us ms-bashers have to see all these comments where assholes like you whine about it. Just don't read it if you don't like it (or do like I do and just read one every third week or so) or if you're going to read it shut the fuck up because it's whining like yours that makes up most of the wasted space on /.

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    28. Re:Booooring... by someonewhois · · Score: 1

      Tell me how many end users care whether it's part of the OS, or it's some software BUNDLED with the OS. Please, tell me. Seriously, cut the technical crap. Any end users of Linux have to face the security flaws whether or not they're part of the OS. It's irrelavent. You're just trying to make an excuse.

      Everyone makes fun of Microsoft for not having quality control, yet Linux bundles these horribly insecure packages (and then, of course, says "It's not Linux's fault"). Ridiculous.

    29. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humm, sure. But now that you mention it, some of those programs (the ones not being bitten by permission bugs in distro specific packages like the pam conf thing that could be corrected with a single 'chmod 600 file') run under windows. I didn't see a single Linux specific vulnerability in there.

      That's the difference. Those are vulnerabilities on software that runs on a wide range of OS's. The Microsoft fixes are for Windows problems. Maybe if they hadn't take the retarded route of making IE part of the OS, their number of security fixes actually pertaining to the OS proper would be smaller. A /lot/ smaller.

    30. Re:Booooring... by erlenic · · Score: 1

      I think another valid description of the mixed crowd is those of us who use *nix exclusively at home, but still have to support Windows at work.

    31. Re:Booooring... by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Any end users of Linux have to face the security flaws whether or not they're part of the OS.

      No, they don't. 99% of Linux end users don't run postgresql, zhcon, vdr, libdbi-perl, or most of the other packages the grandparent listed. It's fair to compare flaws in GNOME/KDE, Firefox, X, and the kernel to flaws in Windows. If you want, you can compare OO.o to Office and perl/python/Mono to .NET. But you can't compare the entire Debian archive (which takes 7 CDs to hold just the stable version) to the base release of MS Windows.

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    32. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE and xine are found on almost every desktop distribution by default.

    33. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing the point. OSS sucks too if this is their security situatrion. Who cares whether it's the OS or an app. If someone owns your system, OSS has failed you.

    34. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA dumbass

      # 9 Microsoft Security Bulletins affecting Microsoft Windows. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for these security updates is Critical. Some of these updates will require a restart.

      # 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft SharePoint Services and Office. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Moderate. These updates may or may not require a restart.

      # 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft .NET Framework. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Important. This update will require a restart.

      # 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft Office. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Critical. These updates will require a restart.

      # 1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and MSN Messenger. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for these security updates is Critical. These updates will require a restart.

    35. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Another day another vulnerability. This is getting old. What's the point in continually reporting this drivel? We all know MS has their issues - but frankly I'm getting tired of all the wasted space on /.
      You're preaching to the choir!!
      We're discussing vunerabilities here and you start saying that there is once again a vulnerability??? Wrong subject my friend!
    36. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Annoying, but hardly "critical"


      Are you sure? I mean when it creates a file with permission 777 in /tmp (even when temporarily) that *is* a security issue...
    37. Re:Booooring... by TheCabal · · Score: 1

      No shit. I see multiple vuln announcements for Ubuntu on BugTraq almost every day. Sounds like Warty Warthog has a few warts.

    38. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA dumbass and TF GP

      The full Debian stable would have to be compared to Windows Server + MSSQL + Exchange + IIS + so on

      I don't see MS releasing Exchange patches to desktop users - you think they do? Stupidhead

    39. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, with the examples I've cited, I'm sure there will be many people who would like to quibble and try and make it seem less of an issue..

      Nice preemption.

      That said I cannot imagine how much less of an issue one could make them than they already are. With a single exception these are minor access hacks and would be of no value to someone trying to collect bots or data with monetary value.

      If you want to pick an OS or vendor apart, it's easy to do it to any of them.

      Not true. As you have just shown, even someone dedicated to picking out the worst has a very difficult time finding any significant vulns in Linux. I believe the same goes for OS X but, unlike MS and Linux, that's outside of my day-to-day experience. There's really only one major vendor that has distinguished itself by spending all 10 of its years on the Internet patching the same basic problems over and over again.

    40. Re:Booooring... by D3viL · · Score: 0

      A remote exploit just from watching a DVD? I'm shure glad windows doesnt' come with a dvd player at all, that way I know I'm safe.

    41. Re:Booooring... by ekuns · · Score: 1

      You quote a lot of exploits, but you are comparing apples to buicks. Most MS Windows security issues brought up on /. affect every user running MS Windows. We're not talking about SERVER complaints here. The list of Linux security issues you quote includes a lot of things the average user would never install and if installed would never configure. (Linux installs are better these days about server software not being installed by default, and if installed, not doing anything unless configured.)

      To compare comparable things, you'd have to compare the list of security issues in a server version of Windows -- including all of the security issues in IIS, Exchange, MSSQL, MS Office, Active Directory, plus third party software equivalents of other Linux software that is not included with Windows.

      Plus, you would have to take into account the ease of exploit of the various issues, the likelihood of exploitation, and the severity of exploitation.

      Having said all that, I agree that there are a lot of zealots who defend one OS and have a totally different standard for the same kinds of flaws on another. No operating system is perfectly secure.

    42. Re:Booooring... by Jafar00 · · Score: 1

      But we don't have to wait until tuesday to get a patch for those ;)
      All of those are in 3rd party software anyway and are usually fixed before any major damage can be done by anyone clever enough to actually manage to break into a linux box in time to use the exploit! :D

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    43. Re:Booooring... by sglines · · Score: 1

      None have anything to do with the kernel and none of these require a reboot.

    44. Re:Booooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried Windows 2003 Server? It's pretty good about not installing server software too. Yes, Microsoft are learning.

    45. Re:Booooring... by ekuns · · Score: 1

      Have you tried Windows 2003 Server? It's pretty good about not installing server software too. Yes, Microsoft are learning.

      I don't have much experience with Win2k3 Server, but yes, I hear that Microsoft is getting much smarter about not installing everything by default, not configuring everything open by default, and so on. Much as people (myself included) love to bash Microsoft, they are improving. I think if they were going to write everything from scratch, they would do better. Hopefully Longhorn will be better (especially as much if it will be managed code).

      But the context of the current thread is that the grandparent post compared all security advisories for a single Linux distribution to a subset of security advisories for Windows.

    46. Re:Booooring... by JThundley · · Score: 1

      It'll stop being reported when Microsoft isn't a huge player in the game, when we don't have to worry about it anymore.

  3. Why? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can't they roll them into one cumulative security update?

    1. Re:Why? by drmaxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      they try - it's called Longhorn - they are just soooo many of them...

    2. Re:Why? by amberp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      for 2 reasons
      1. There are too many (known and unknown) of vunerabilities.
      2. Even the known ones are too much to be fixed for various reasons.

    3. Re:Why? by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mostly because not every one might appreciate having to download a huge patch for something they don't have installed. Also because the patches are covering multiple Windows versions, and EDS can tell you all about what happens when you apply a patch for one Windows varient over another...

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    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they try - it's called Longhorn

      at one time, it was called win98
      and after that, Win98SE
      and after that, WinME
      and after that, Windows 2000 (the most secure Windows ever!)
      and after that, Windows XP
      and after that, SP2

      Does anybody detect a trend here?

    5. Re:Why? by totoanihilation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Every time I visit family, I make it a point to bring all the updates they could possibly need for their computer. (That, and bringing along new versions of firefox). It's a pain trying to figure out which updates they have, and which ones they don't and I end up spending an hour locating them all.
      Unfortunately, most of those I visit don't have broadband, so downloading 200 megs from WU doesn't work.

      On the other side of the fence, MacOSX updates always have a Combo version containing ALL previous updates, which I find wonderful for quick deployment and updates of multiple systems. When installing a new system, for example, I run my install CDs, then run the one updater. Done. On windoze, I run the installer, have to install hundreds of updates OR run WU several times in a row to make sure the system is patched.

      Anyways. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it wouldn't be too hard to write a script (at M$) that would add every new update to a Combo update (similarly to how you add a file to a tar file) and a special installer to handle it all without user intervention. So why don't they do it? It's not like they lack the money to hire some student to write it in a weekend...

    6. Re:Why? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      It is possible to do something similar with Windows, namely integrate updates with the install image which can then be used to patch systems. I can't remember the exact name they give it, but I've done it in the past to get a fully patched XPSP1 install CD.

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    7. Re:Why? by slonkak · · Score: 1

      You'd think they would. Take, for example, Windows Server 2003. I just ran WU and it had 30 updates! 30! Sounds like it's time for a service pack.

      Despite what people say, and how much they hate Linux and all *NIX variants, the thinking is solid. Open source allows for a lot of vulnerabilities to be found much quicker, and fixed much quicker. This would allow Microsoft to release an operating system which already had a lot of vulnerabilities fixed, and would allow each new vulnerability to be found and fixed quicker than normal.

    8. Re:Why? by Quasimodoca · · Score: 1

      Why not just go to http://www.autopatcher.com/ and d/l the latest full update. Whenever I do an O.S. reinstall for clients (which is becoming more often lately) I have a cd with the latest autopatcher full update and a copy of zone alarm. Before I connect it to the net I have the o.s. patched completely and a fire wall up. Nice part about autopatcher is its a start and forget update. Grab a beer and come back when it's finished.

    9. Re:Why? by Kirsha · · Score: 1

      I think what you are talking about is called slipstreaming.

    10. Re:Why? by TykeClone · · Score: 1
      A year ago Microsoft released a patch CDROM for Windows 98/Me/2000 and (I think) XP that had cumulative updates for the operating systems up to that point. The CDROM was available free for the asking (and is real nice if you need to reinstall a machine)

      It would be nice if they released another one this year.

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    11. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps not a trend, per se, I certainly detect you missing the point by a good distance. gg!

    12. Re:Why? by marcosmota · · Score: 1

      See. I skipped through all the "relevance" BS above and hit upon real informative stuff. I didn't care for your banter so I came to where I could learn and contribute something. That said...

      Thanks for the reminder about slipstreaming. As for a suggestion, when you run Software Update on a Mac, choose "Download to Desktop". Then you can update other machines with those patches, albeit one at a time. Also, Mac OS update asks for the root/admin pswd with each patch. WU does that but once every session I think. Over....

      MM

    13. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you actually have any hard stats that prove that open source vulernabilities and discovered quicker and patched sooner than Microsoft's? Or are you just parroting someone else's opninion?

      Releasing something under the GPL does not mean that it is free from bugs. It doesn't even mean that any bugs that you release it with will get patched. It doesn't mean that any bugs you release it with will even get discovered. It doesn't mean that your code will get so much as read by anyone else. And yet the general consensus here is that open-source software is more secure than commercially developed, closed-source software. Why?

      A prime example of this is Linux itself. How often are bug reports published for a release in the 2.6 tree that can be traced all the way back to some code added in the 2.4 tree? How long does that mean those bugs have been there for?

      Let's say you're a competent enough programmer to spot and fix bugs and design problems in one of any number of languages, and you've just committed X hours of your life to learning a particular proejct's code-base well enough to be able to spot them. How much is your time worth? I'm willing to bet it's more than nothing, which is what almost all open-source developers work for.

    14. Re:Why? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

      Go to Secunia and check for yourself
      Windows XP Professional 21 out of 81 unpatched
      Mac OS X 2 out of 44 unpatched
      Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 3 out of 476 unpatched
      Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 out of 97 unpatched.
      Gentoo Linux 1.x 0 out of 504 unpatched.
      See a trend?

    15. Re:Why? by totoanihilation · · Score: 1

      Thanks that's a godsend!
      Unfortunately though, the last update was in october 2004 for 2K and August 2004 for XP. I wish they could be more up-to-date, mind you just that will have saved me hours of patch-finding. As I said in my original post, M$ could easily do something like this and keep it up to date every other week. Why don't they? :(

    16. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, MS has states Windows users like CHOICES. The CHOICE of which vulnerabilities to leave unpatched. Apple on the other hand forces a few down your throat at a time.

    17. Re:Why? by homesteader · · Score: 1

      They did that with the Sasser(LSASS) patch, and it was a nightmare. They rolled a bunch of non-critical patches in with one or two critical ones. Some sites really can't rollout 6 meg patches to hundreds or thousands of machines, when the actual patch for LSASS probably would have been a few hundred kilobytes. We badgered MS to try and get an isolated LSASS fix, they never conceded but did say they would never release another bundle like it.

    18. Re:Why? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      wish they would send me mine...

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    19. Re:Why? by michaelyery · · Score: 1
      arguing with the last two, red hat linux 7.1 is oldness, and so is gentoo 1.x. moreover, any good gentoo user does
      emerge sync && emerge -uD world
      at least once a week (i do, anyway) fixing problems with gentoo. and, since these are older versions of distros, most of these bugs are old news likely fixed ages and agers ago.
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  4. The obvious XP question by plarsen · · Score: 0

    Is this relevant if you have SP2 installed?

    1. Re:The obvious XP question by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Is this relevant if you have SP2 installed?

      There's more included than OS fixes, so probably.

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    2. Re:The obvious XP question by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Given that there are a couple of known vulnerabilities in XP even with SP2 installed (with DEP and IE), we can only hope that it is relevant if you have SP2 installed. However, given that the DEP vulnerability is quite recent I suspect that Microsoft might bump that patch until next month at least to allow for more testing. Just hope that a real cracker doesn't give the script kiddies a new toy to play with in the meantime...

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    3. Re:The obvious XP question by RetardSmith · · Score: 1

      My main question is, can I install these security patches without haveing SP2 installed? I still refuse to install SP2 due to some of the things MSFT implemented into the patch.

    4. Re:The obvious XP question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's tragic how so many Windows users think security concerns just go away after installing XP SP2.

      (I understand that the parent post may just be asking about this specific round of updates, but I've read so many other posts where Windows users think they are invulnerable with SP2 thanks to the Microsoft's recent bellowings about a focus on security.)

    5. Re:The obvious XP question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still refuse to install SP2 due to some of the things MSFT implemented into the patch

      Yeah, me too - SP2 recognises my tinfoil hat as malware.

    6. Re:The obvious XP question by westlake · · Score: 1
      I still refuse to install SP2 due to some of the things MSFT implemented into the patch.

      There is a warning posted on the Windows Update site that future XP updates may require SP1 or higher.

    7. Re:The obvious XP question by plarsen · · Score: 0

      You are right. I am too kind of sick of the SP2 false security rumour. My post was meant to be ironic.

  5. Damnit by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I just got done updating three or four ZEN images. I can't wait for the hundred times I'll be asked next week "can I click OK on the update thing or is that spyware?".

    1. Re:Damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could be proactive and send an e-mail telling people what to expect and what to do. It's certainly a better use of your time than posting on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Damnit by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      You know, at first I would be somewhat gladdened to hear an end user being careful of clicking a link, but I just realized that it really shows that spyware companies have basically become the terrorists* of the web. It's sad that people should have to worry about every link they click, even when a site seems like it's on the level.

      *Sorry for bringing that word into it, I just couldn't think of anything more descriptive.

    3. Re:Damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Haha, that's a good one. I see you've never had a real IT job before. You can send two company-wide emails and pass out flyers, and maybe 30% of the users will be informed (or remember what you told them) when the time comes. But, it was a lovely and fantastically unrealistic thought.

    4. Re:Damnit by Master+Bait · · Score: 1

      Unauthorized computer access was made a felony in the late 90s. Unauthorized computer access was also labeled 'terrorism' by the so-called Patriot Act. But these unauthorized accesses are defacto protected by the current federal govt. because they are commercial(tm) and are not prosecuted like a lone pimply cracker defacing a commercial(tm) website would be.

      It is said that the creators of the Sobe and workalike viruses also created this commercial(tm) and openly available bulk-email package which anyone can use to send their commercial(tm) spam through infected, cracked computers. Send-safe.com sells their spamware via unregulated, greedy Visa and MasterCard networks, and is hosted openly in uunet/MCI/Worldcom netspace.

      A large bank of PCs running send-safe for a non-commercial(tm) (terrorist) purpose could bring the internet to its knees.

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    5. Re:Damnit by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      "Unauthorized computer access was made a felony in the late 90s. Unauthorized computer access was also labeled 'terrorism' by the so-called Patriot Act. But these unauthorized accesses are defacto protected by the current federal govt. because they are commercial(tm) and are not prosecuted like a lone pimply cracker defacing a commercial(tm) website would be."

      Didn't the Republican party get access to the Democrats' communications in congress by hacking a common server, so that they knew every move the enemy was making before they made it? Was anyone arrested for this major felony? [crickets chirping]

      "Crimes" are prosecuted in inverse proportion to the ability of the criminals to defend themselves. Or have a party member as the AG.

  6. Monday? by cravey · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Isn't the 8th a Tuesday?

    1. Re:Monday? by amberp · · Score: 2, Funny

      May be he is refering to Feb' 8th 2010.

    2. Re:Monday? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or this is a really old news story from 1999.

    3. Re:Monday? by appletalking · · Score: 1

      Nah, the poster's just on the other side of the Date Line. Monday's the 8th over there.

  7. Redundant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is wrong, and this is pointing out that fact. Running Windows Update on Monday won't get you anything since the updates come out on TUESDAY, aka the 8TH.

    1. Re:Redundant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Interesting. So you would suggest that the "moderators" actually read the "news" they put on their "site"? Weird.

  8. hmmm by sandstorming · · Score: 1

    13... the unlucky number. They must be BAD security risks for a change ;)

    1. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about some GOOD jokes for a change?

    2. Re:hmmm by spectre_240sx · · Score: 1

      knock knock...

  9. Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmmm....that's 13 down, and a hell of a lot more to go

  10. At least they are actively patching... by jmcmunn · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Come on Slashdot, at least they are actively fixing their shit. You all bad mouth them for not fixing stuff fast enough, and then when they announce they are releasing a patch you try to find some way to bad mouth them for that?

    We're all bored of hearing how much people hate MS here...we KNOW you don't like them. Just leave it at that, and instead of reading and posting 600 replies here about how they suck, have some sort of intelligent conversation instead.

    1. Re:At least they are actively patching... by iamvego · · Score: 0

      "Come on Slashdot, at least they are actively fixing their shit."

      But why is there so much "shit" to fix?

      "We're all bored of hearing how much people hate MS here"

      Aren't we also bored of constantly hearing serious bugs and security risks being found in their products all the time?

    2. Re:At least they are actively patching... by bersl2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, OK, that's fine.

      But as others have said already, do we really need to hear about it every time?

    3. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But why is there so much "shit" to fix?

      Because of all the criminals out there constantly trying to break it. If a burglar breaks into your house and steals all your stuff, then you install a better lock but get robbed again next week, do you get mad at the lock manufacturer? No thinking person does - they try to find the burglar and punish him.

      Punish the crackers and criminals doing this shit, not Microsoft.

    4. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Zocalo · · Score: 1
      While I largely agree that Microsoft is making an effort, they are still well short of where they ideally need to be. For instance, take a look at this, which is a remote exploit in a default Windows 2000 install allowing an attacker to gain full control over the system. That has to rate as a "Critical" on Microsoft's scale, and yet we are now six months and counting since eEye notified Microsoft of the problem and still no patch.

      Perhaps they need to make that idea they had of spending a month just squashing bugs an annual occurrance instead of the one off PR exercise that it appears to have been. In fact, why stop at Microsoft; there are plenty of vendors that could do with adopting this kind of practice and not all of them are closed source either.

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    5. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 0

      If Windows was like a car ....

      Oh forget it. I tired too.......

    6. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If a burglar breaks into your house and steals all your stuff, then you install a better lock but get robbed again next week, do you get mad at the lock manufacturer? No thinking person does - they try to find the burglar and punish him.


      If the burglar broke into my house through a flaw in the design of the lock - a flaw known by the manufacturer - a flaw the manufacturer found more profitable to ignore than fix - a flaw the manufacturer decided not to tell me about and trust me to make my own decisions on how best to secure my house - then HELL YEAH I'd get mad at the lock manufacturer!
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    7. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Ok, so we can bash them when the exact same thing happens for the next version, right? I mean we forgive them for everything XP and before, then hit them then? At what point is fixing errors not enough?

    8. Re:At least they are actively patching... by DarkVader · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm... I think I might even sue the lock manufacturer. If I've bought a new lock that's been advertised to keep the burglar out, and he goes in by breaking the lock, I've even got a case.

      Now, if I buy a lock that is known to be defective, I don't have a case - I should have known better.

      But I can still be annoyed that the lock manufacturer makes garbage locks.

      Or I can just use another company's locks. That's the problem with Microsoft, they have so much of the market that many people are stuck using their locks, even when they know they're garbage. Me, I'll stick with Macintosh and Linux.

    9. Re:At least they are actively patching... by jmcmunn · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Well, Microsoft could take the stance of creating the "bullet proof" OS which allows you to run only the software that comes preinstalled, and only stuff that they have tested and debugged...that's about the only way they could "guarantee" their product to be bug free. (of course even linux users would never claim to be totally bug free)

      But you know what? That wouldn't be a very useful machine to anyone. The beauty of an OS is that it can run programs that you install (or even write) after the fact. You want the "Fort Knox" of machines? Run BartPE, or a Linux LiveCD or something. You want a functional OS, that can run all kinds of software and actually evolve over time, run Windows (or linux for all I care, or Mac). The point is, they do their best to keep up with the changing world, and fix bugs as well as they can in a timely fashion most of the time.

      You have to realize that a lot of bugs and security problems are found in the OS due to bad code in the apps that people have written. (or good code, depending on who you are) So MS reacts to the new ways that people find to break in. You think cars always had LoJack, or GPS tracking, or security alarms? NO. Security is an ongoing fight, not just in the computer industry. The "criminals" will constantly find new ways to break in, and the "good guys" keep on trying new ways to keep them out. So step back and relax, and remember the good old days when no one had to worry about hackers on the internet, then remember that in those days you also dialed in on a 19.2 Baud modem, and it sucked ass. We've come a long wya, and things are getting better...

    10. Re:At least they are actively patching... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      The nice thing is at least Microsoft is taking their security problems seriously nowadays and are making patches available on a regular basis.

      Which does remind me: how does various commercial Linux distributions (Mandrake, SuSE, Linspire, etc.) provide patches for known code vulnerabilties? Do they use a system something akin to Windows Update?

    11. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Only a moron could reach the conclusion that Microsoft is "ignoring" the never-ending attacks on their products. In fact, they are actively trying to fix them by the autopatching mechanism they have in place.

      Does the company that manufactured the lock on your house send free upgrades and improvements for it to you every week? No, because in the real world, they don't have to because burglars who try this shit are hunted down and arrested like the criminals they are.

      Yes, you are apparently just fine with the idea of criminals traipsing from house to house in your neighborhood, testing and picking your locks on a nightly basis, then stealing your stuff. You can tell its them because they drive a panel van with "BURGLARS 'R US" and a logo with a stylized bad guy in a striped shirt emblazoned on the side. Well, in my neighborhood, the lucky ones just get arrested then ass-raped by the other cons in the county lockup. The unlucky ones get shot and die gurgling in a pool of their own blood. Sorry about yours.

    12. Re:At least they are actively patching... by jmcmunn · · Score: 1


      If you're telling me there is a bug free version of OS X or Linux anywhere out there, I'd like to see it. Every OS patches, and every OS has bugs. There is no point where fixing errors is going to stop. We WANT them to fix the errors, in fact most people only complain that they don't fix them faster.

      For all of those out there saying they have to "go get updates every N months" why not turn on Auto Update? You know how often I go get updates? Never. And yet I am always 100% up-to-date...man that is tough to check that box that lets it all happen automatically.

      Longhorn will have bugs, and security issues. So will every OS out at the time. Bugs are a fact of life, no programmer is perfect. In fact, no team of programmers is perfect, becuase someday someone more dedicated and more creative will find a way to break in somehow.

    13. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Mybrid · · Score: 1
      You have to realize that a lot of bugs and security problems are found in the OS due to bad code in the apps that people have written.
      1. Correction, almost all of the Microsoft's vulnerabilities are in Internet Explorer and Microsoft Office.
      2. Microsoft enjoys a state sanctioned 90% monopoly. This means, like the phone company which guarantees a 99.99% dial-tone availability, Microsoft has responsibilities above and beyond just whatever. Everytime someone gets a virsus, Microsoft should be fined. If that happened Microsoft would fix their crap in no short order. Instead, Microsoft is going to start selling anti-virus software. Talk about a conflict of interest...
    14. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Finding a bug due to some ass not doing bounds checking is one thing. Finding it several times a week is another. Is this quantity of bugs permissible? How many security holes can an online game of chess have before it's no longer safe? In an OS?

      I hope people will at least be taken aback when we get security fixes for longhorn that we've already had for XP (that is, fixing the problems already patched in XP which weren't fixed or even noticed in the longhorn release). Also if there's a single new (in new code) array bounds error in longhorn then they haven't done their job. They should know better by now.

    15. Re:At least they are actively patching... by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1
      Most of them have an automatic update service you can choose to run on a regular basis.

      The thing I find interesting is that during my time in the past as a Linux user the amount of security and bug updates being downloaded was very high compared to the amount of stories listed on Slashdot showing these updates.

      Hmm, wonder why that would be.

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    16. Re:At least they are actively patching... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      All Linux distributions I've used have an easy to use update system. Mandrake has the MCC (Mandrake Control Center), SuSE has YAST (Yet Another Setup Tool), Redhat/Fedora have up2date & yum, Debian has Apt, Gentoo has Portage, etc.

    17. Re:At least they are actively patching... by EvilNutSack · · Score: 1
      At least they are actively patching...

      How is this +5, interesting? It's a bit of a silly statement to make (sorry). They do not have a choice not to actively patch, unless they want to see an increase in the number of migrations to Linux/Mac/etc.

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    18. Re:At least they are actively patching... by prodangle · · Score: 1
      If the burglar broke into my house through a flaw in the design of the lock - a flaw known by the manufacturer - a flaw the manufacturer found more profitable to ignore than fix - a flaw the manufacturer decided not to tell me about and trust me to make my own decisions on how best to secure my house - then HELL YEAH I'd get mad at the lock manufacturer!
      I believe the lock situation is exactly as you described.

      Chances are that it is possible for a skilled locksmith to pick the lock on your front door. I'll bet that your lock didn't come with any disclaimers or an EULA, so they haven't bothered to warn you.

      Of course it is possible for the manufacturer to make a lock that's more secure, but that would cost them more money and they'd sell fewer locks, so they don't.

      I hate software anologies - they can be stretched to mean whatever the hell you want.

    19. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Finding a bug due to some ass not doing bounds checking is one thing. Finding it several times a week is another. Is this quantity of bugs permissible? How many security holes can an online game of chess have before it's no longer safe? In an OS?

      The question is: Does Microsoft have significantly more bugs than other comparable products?

    20. Re:At least they are actively patching... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      Slashdot would be swamped with stories if they posted every security notification from every OS vendor. But to be fair, most *nix distributions do contain an exponentially greater amount of software than Windows. At any rate, this really isn't the best site to follow for security news. I recommend Secunia for that.

    21. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Lisandro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seriously. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. I update atleast two or three software packages a day in Gentoo (most of them version revisions with bugfixes) and it's not all over the news.

    22. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you replying to? The original submission? I must have missed the anti-MS sentiment. As far as I can see, the purpose of the story is to alert people to the fact that there are some updates coming up, thereby increasing the likelihood of people actually performing the patch. Isn't that what you want?

    23. Re:At least they are actively patching... by MHobbit · · Score: 1

      AMEN!

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    24. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      I want to know why they don't cover OSX bugs? I recently bought a Mini-Mac, and at least once a week the auto-updater says its fixing security holes.

      Its only a matter of time before spyware and viruses start coming to the mac. And people will say but they require you to type in your password before installing things. Well - the solution is obvious. Spyware should imitate that updater window and claim its installing a patch for you - ask for your password and walk right in. And as someone who has done mac support be the first to tell you mac users would be more than happy to do that.

      (btw thats the same way a lot of windows viruses and spyware walk in)

    25. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe, but if they know about them now they should be releasing them now, not when their monthly release says they should.... and why do they have a monthly release, for something that's been around since c. 2002??? and yes I do run 1 windows box, for autocad, solidworks, etc. but thats the only work i do on the windows box. anyways thats what is bothering me about this, patches are not released when they are ready/done, just like security holes are not released when they are known about.

    26. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Malc · · Score: 1

      Easy: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

      It has to be easy though with patches appearing so frequently.

    27. Re:At least they are actively patching... by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 1

      I will say this in defense of the anti-MS sentiment here. I have a mac laptop and a PC desktop that sit right next to each other on my desk. I am on a very reliable and well maintained network and have SP2 and all the most recent updates running with the MS firewall. I have virus software that updates routinely as well.

      Now I have NEVER had a problem with my Mac. The PC ruunning MS is literally like a timebomb. I know that nothing bad has happened recently but you know its coming and that pisses me off. Sometimes I feel like I am not even in control of my own system. I never get that feeling with the Mac.

      I just have trouble understanding why my sister who knows very little about computers and certainly not how to fix broken ones would immediately jump to a Windows based PC over a OSX based Mac. She has the money for either and she KNOWS that she will never have a problem with the mac. I am convinced that Windows runs some kind of brainwashing in their video drivers or something. It makes me happy that they are patching what makes me worried is that it never seems to be enough. They have to earn back my respect.

      PS: Yeah the constant MS bashing does start grating on one

    28. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed upon, Linux community scares me away from their products by their constant bickering. Like the guy down the street who has all these cool toys but is really a weirdo and has no social skills.

    29. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, the patches they released about a month ago caused my system to error out regularly (service pack one XP system) and I had to do a system restore because a few of my programs stopped working after the last update. I don't want SP2, I like my system as it is, but now it's "vunerable" because the new patches mess up my system and I'm caught in a catch 22. This is garbage.

    30. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      By default the mac only checks for security updates once a week... change it to daily at least. There's been 3 or 4 this week.

      I'm just so disappointed that OSX is so unstable - I know of dozens of ways to lock it solid... took me less than 20 minutes after getting the mac to crash it so badly I had to power cycle. after reading slashdot (yeah I know) I'd assumed it was pretty good... I've even given up on the aiport and gone wired because it's basically useless for me - the wlan doesn't initialised until you've logged in, and all my users are remote - catch 22.

    31. Re:At least they are actively patching... by Angostura · · Score: 1

      Assuming, you are not trolling, you've done something very odd to your set-up.

      1. There has only been one been one security update issued this year so far (Jan 27)

      2. The Wireless LAN doesn't require a local user to be logged in to be activated.

      3. Dozens of ways to lock it solid? Have you checked you don't have a hardware fault?

      It sounds to me as if it would be worth checking your hardware (use the test disk supplied) and reinstalling the OS from scratch).

    32. Re:At least they are actively patching... by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      Now, if I buy a lock that is known to be defective, I don't have a case - I should have known better.

      That's the problem with Microsoft, they have so much of the market that many people are stuck using their locks, even when they know they're garbage.


      These two statements contradict each other. You're saying even though there are already many free alternatives, everyone is stuck using Microsoft. Also by your logic, people using Windows and have a problem with it should have known better. I agree, people who don't like Microsoft shouldn't use their products, they should use an alternative, but if they choose to continue to use Microsoft products, then they should have known better, and they should shut the fuck up about it. There are many reasons why Microsoft has so much of the market share and linux does not. It isn't entirely about the fact that linux is too complicated for basic PC users, people who just read email, listen to music, or play games, although that is important. The real factor is that most people don't care. They don't care enough to put for the effort to convert to a new OS and put for the time to learn it. People have a hard enough time remembering to wash their hands or look before changing lanes on the freeway, so why the hell should we expect them to care enough about their computer to make a change like that. That is what it boils down to.

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    33. Re:At least they are actively patching... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the information! :-) I remember seeing YAST in SuSE when I played with SuSE Linux some time ago.

  11. Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean this is how the process works for any OS. Name the OS or system that doesn't require patches? I just don't see the point of this submission except to imply a Nelson-esque "Ha-Ha" where one isn't required. I run a dual-boot system and surprise, surprise, Linux likes to download fixes as well. In short: Who cares? Next stories: You may have a new e-mail in your inbox: Better check. Or how about: Make sure your version of Quicktime is current.

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    1. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have a new e-mail in your inbox: Better check.

      Yeah, better check for critical updates first! You do know that some e-mail exploits didn't even require you to open the e-mail, let alone download and run something, just view it in the mail list and you were infected!

      Make sure your version of Quicktime is current.

      Yeah, but first make sure that your update is really coming from Quicktime's site and not an obscured URL which MS has make soooo easy to do. Then, make sure that you have ActiveX turned off because the ads on Quicktime can use an exploit to download maliscious software. Nope, cancel that, disable ActiveX only for the ad sites, because quicktime probably needs ActiveX to install.

      Did I make my point? You suggested trivial things for Slashdot stories BUT you can't do even the simplest things in MS software because it is soooo riddled with vulnerabilities! It is so far past the state of "every software package has bugs" that you have to wonder if MS is doing it on purpose.

    2. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name a plant which doesn't require water. Surprise, surprise, even a cactus requires water. But I'm careless or I like to take long vacations. Which plant am I gonna get?

    3. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tomorrow's Slashdot headline:

      5 New Linux Security Vulnerabilities

      Gentoo has given advance notice that 5 packages have problems and will be updated. Happily within the week they will explain them in the next Gentoo Weekly Newsletter. Gentoo users, don't forget to run 'emerge sync' in 15 minutes when your local Portage mirror is updated.

      Um, as you can see the same thing happens to any OS. The difference is that Gentoo does this: 1. write a patch to fix current version so users are safe, then 2. put fixed version in Portage when available, then 3. notify users with a Gentoo Linux Security Advisory. Microsoft does this: 1. let news about vuln spread, 2. wait for someone important to notice, 3. announce vuln, 4. wait a week to a month, 5. release patch, 6. give sheepish excuse.

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    4. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by yamla · · Score: 1

      OpenBSD. At least, they only require a security patch approximately once every eight years.

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    5. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by daygo140 · · Score: 1

      Chess the cat, You couldn't of said it better. The only thing I have a problem with MS is the damn EULA for their software otherwise I support them full bore. MS changed the face of computing whether they like it or not. These MS haters don't realize this.

    6. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1


      The only thing I have a problem with MS is the damn EULA for their software otherwise I support them full bore. MS changed the face of computing whether they like it or not. These MS haters don't realize this.


      To each his own. However, it's willfull ignorance to dismiss Microsoft's issues to "MS haters." That's not to say there aren't those who bash MS without any understanding of these issues. But again, that doesn't negate the issues.

      MS was a part of the changing face of computing, to be sure. But there is no debt of gratitude - they were well rewarded for their part. And a large portion of those changes haven't been positive.
    7. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1
      There are plenty of reasons to have this story:
      • Slashdot gets plenty of MS-types.
      • Windows is common enough that anything wide-reaching in the Windows world affects everything else.
      • Some of us don't deal with Windows on a regular basis so we don't spend much time tracking Windows-specific news... but it's nice to catch the important pieces for those rare times we HAVE to deal with Windows.

      I'm sure the list could go on...
    8. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      EULA for software is to be expected (although the specific terms may or may not be onerous), but what's with EULAs for patches? I mean, if I want to stick with, say, win2k until it's EOL-ed, I STILL need to accept new EULAs with NEW RESTRICTIONS FOR ME in order to keep it patched???

      They sell you the bloody OS license and they start taking back your right to use the OS piece by piece with "security udates"

    9. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      "Um, as you can see the same thing happens to any OS. The difference is that Gentoo does this: 1. write a patch to fix current version so users are safe, then 2. put fixed version in Portage when available, then 3. notify users with a Gentoo Linux Security Advisory. Microsoft does this: 1. let news about vuln spread, 2. wait for someone important to notice, 3. announce vuln, 4. wait a week to a month, 5. release patch, 6. give sheepish excuse."

      Gentoo's method is unacceptable for corporate users.

      Unless there is an exploit in the wild, it does no good to release the patch when corporate users are unlikely to apply it.

      It is far better to have a one-month release cycle - as an IS admin, I check for new patches on the 2nd Tuesday of every month, test for compatibility, and roll them out in a timely manner.

      With Gentoo's version, I'd end up patching once a month ANYWAY, because I can't spare time every week to test patches. The once-a-month schedule allows me to inform my manager that the 2nd Tuesday is "patch day" -- I spend the time needed to test & deploy patches, and we arrange for additional help to take over regular IS maintenence. We also have additional help the next day in case something doesn't go well with the patching.

      In the event of a severe vulnerability (e.g. exploit in the wild), Microsoft releases a patch outside of the regular schedule and gives a security advisory. I can test the patch and apply it right away.

      You can disagree with the one-month cycle, but it sure makes the jobs of people like me a lot easier.

    10. Re:Is this sort of thing still interesting to /. by MooseGuy529 · · Score: 1

      Most Gentoo users don't patch every day. You can easily patch once a month--just read the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter to check for serious vulnerabilities, and ignore other patches until you have time. The difference is M$ keeps the patches after the public knows (all the articles are "M$ found a vuln today and will release a patch later") but Gentoo releases a patch and informs people at the same time. You can update whenever you want.

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  12. You can automate the updating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Some of us actually use Automatic Update Agent, that downloads and installs the patches. No need for manual updates anymore.

    Running Windows Update on Monday will not help, someone please -1 the original article.

    1. Re:You can automate the updating by wathead · · Score: 1

      That is great for people that have access to broadband internet connection. Here in the great southeast broadband is hard to come by.
      If you are on a dialup connection you cant get any thing done with M$ constantly trying to download a fix in the background that might very well break your system.
      Thank goodness I only rely on windoz as a gaming platform only and do all my real computing on a Linux box.

  13. Tuesday, not Monday by CypherXero · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The 8th falls on Tuesday, not Monday.

    1. Re:Tuesday, not Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously one of the critical updates is for the calendar control...

  14. Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Totally agree!

    1. Re:Mod parent up. by TomTraynor · · Score: 1

      1. We are tired of all of the waits for the patches. The hackers know MS releases on a specific day of the month and time their releases for max effect.

      2. These patch only the holes that we are told about. how many others are there that we don't know about until MS lets the world know?

      3. I admin a home network (6 machines) and the Linux boxes are the easiest to admin. The MS machines tend to break S/ware (A/V & firewalls) on these upgrades and it takes me a while to fix them.

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    2. Re:Mod parent up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I have no hard times administering any of my 7 machines. 3 Windows XP, 1 ME, 1 Linux, 1 FreeBSD, and an Amiga which hardly counts.

      Maybe you just aren't as good with Windows as you think you are?

    3. Re:Mod parent up. by jmcmunn · · Score: 2


      Yeah, my network of 5 windows machines never has any troubles. Of course that's because everyone here is smart enough not to download spyware infested crap from the internet. We have AVG running on every machine and that keeps us virus free. And yes, I have a router as firewall, and SP2 on every box.

      If your Windows machines are broken, it's not Windows fault IMHO, it's mostly user issues. I do agree that Windows makes it easy to install bad software, but Linux can also be totally runined by installing bad software (at least when you know as little as I do). So if you want to have a solid Windows box, learn how to manage it. Don't let your 9-year old install stuff and you should be ok.

  15. They don't need to by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows users, don't forget to run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning.

    These days, Windows users don't need to "run" Windows Update to grab security updates; the Windows service do that job, so they don't have to remember to do anything special on Tuesday. However, you need to actively visit windowsupdate.microsoft.com if you need other stuff than security updates.

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    1. Re:They don't need to by mosch · · Score: 1, Informative

      Clearly you have no actual systems admin experience. Auto-update is a fantastic way to automatically take down your whole corporate network. Occasionally one of the updates will be incompatible with something, like say... an ethernet driver. Now if you have that ethernet card in your machine, you're offline. Not a huge problem, but annoying. If you have that ethernet card in every machine in your 2,000 employee company... huge, gigantic, enormous problem.

    2. Re:They don't need to by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      What the fuck is wrong with you. I just answered another troll in that I don't condone this system, I'm just telling you how it works. The truth is one again: Windows users don't need to actively "run" any special tool to grab security update, the service does that for you. However, if that's good or bad, I'm not even talking about.

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    3. Re:They don't need to by Elminst · · Score: 1

      Except that the majority of computers in the USA are still running Windows 98.
      No automatic update installs for them...

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    4. Re:They don't need to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did it. I admit. I flamed you a troll.

      Why? You obviously still use Windows.

      Windows sucks. This is /.

    5. Re:They don't need to by nandhp · · Score: 1

      Some people train the Automatic Updates service to ask before it installs. Not to mention the fact that AU seems to check for updates only every two weeks or so...

    6. Re:They don't need to by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      "Clearly you have no actual systems admin experience. Auto-update is a fantastic way to automatically take down your whole corporate network. Occasionally one of the updates will be incompatible with something, like say... an ethernet driver. Now if you have that ethernet card in your machine, you're offline. Not a huge problem, but annoying. If you have that ethernet card in every machine in your 2,000 employee company... huge, gigantic, enormous problem."

      Clearly you've never tried Software Update Services. You can redirect the auto-update URL (using group policy) to an internal server, which allows you to choose which updates you want to rollout and when you want to do so.

    7. Re:They don't need to by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      ... unless you have dial-up (believe it or not, some people still do!) in which case you have to stay on long enough for the patches to download (mid-march should do)

  16. What they are not telling you by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Microsoft has given advance notice that on February 8th, they will NOT be releasing patches for dozens and dozens of yet-undiscovered vunerabilities. Unhappily a day later they'll have a nice little webcast to answer questions about the vunerabilities they know, but not about the ones that have no clue about yet. Windows users, don't forget to dump Windows first thing Monday morning."

    1. Re:What they are not telling you by zootm · · Score: 1

      If only there was an operating system without thousands of undiscovered security holes...

      Of course! AmigaOS!

    2. Re:What they are not telling you by kabdib · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, who's not releasing patches for all the undiscovered Linux vulnerabilities? Oooooh, vast, incompetent menace! Switch to something else, quick.

      One word describes a system, nearly ANY system more recent than an Atari ST or C-64, that isn't regularly patched: "0wn3d"

      Bash bash bash. You guys are boring.

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    3. Re:What they are not telling you by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      The architecture of Windows is inherently more insecure than Linux or BSD or OS X. Those were business decisions that led to that level of insecurity, but they exist. You can certainly point out that all OSes get patched for security issues, but I can tell you that if you take a fresh install of BSD or Linux and put it on the Web, it will not be 0wn3d within ten minutes, in all likelihood. Try a fresh Windows box on the Net for ten minutes. In all likelihood, it will be infected by multiple malware.

      That's a key difference.

    4. Re:What they are not telling you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need end-users to find security holes...

    5. Re:What they are not telling you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except the ST and C-64 are from two different eras of computing. Just why can't an ST be "Own3d" ? There are 3 or 4 different TCP/IP stacks, 1 being part of MiNT which is a unix like replacement of part of the ST's operating system, a replacement that has existed for nearly 15 years. The Mac browser iCab is a descendant of the ST browser Cab.

  17. Trusted Computing: - by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    For those who are more knowledgeable...are we in the regime of Microsoft's Trusted Computing? I know Microsoft will continue to spew out info emphasizing a renewed effort in secure computer environments.

    1. Re:Trusted Computing: - by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For those who are more knowledgeable...are we in the regime of Microsoft's Trusted Computing? I know Microsoft will continue to spew out info emphasizing a renewed effort in secure computer environments.

      Hm, trusted computing was their initiative with DRM in e.g. Office and WMP, the whole thing about the "Fritz" circuit, Palladium, etc. AFAIK, no WMA or Word Document DRM etc has been exploited, so I can't really see what that has to do with these news.

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    2. Re:Trusted Computing: - by Nicholas+Evans · · Score: 1
      AFAIK, no WMA or Word Document DRM etc has been exploited, so I can't really see what that has to do with these news.

      Well, now you do know that WMA's DRM has been exploited.

    3. Re:Trusted Computing: - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MSFT's trusted computing is double talk, since MSFT is the one that can not be trusted...

    4. Re:Trusted Computing: - by Alsee · · Score: 1

      are we in the regime of Microsoft's Trusted Computing?

      No, that requires new crippled hardware that keeps encryption keys secure against the owner. Some new computers are already shipping with this new hardware and some Intel CPUs already have this anti-owner circuitry embedded. You can expect almost all new PCs shipping with this Trust enforcment system within a year or so. Microsoft has long announced that only Trusted-complaint hardware will be fully Longhorn compatible. All Windows Longhorn systems will have this CPU embedded circuitry. The activation of Trusted Computing really starts with the Longhorn rollout.

      Microsoft will continue to spew out info emphasizing a renewed effort in secure computer environments.

      Secure against the owner. Trusted Computing has very little to do with securing the computer against viruses and normal attacks. It will do virtually nothing to prevent a virus from infecting your computer and formatting your harddrive. About all it would do is prevent a virus from reading or altering "secured" files, but it actually makes it far easier to destroy files.

      One ironic point - if any virus or hacker did copy your DRM'd music or software the attacker can't just copy it and leave your music and software intact. The Trust system on your computer would enforce that your music and software be destroyed in the process. That way the publishing industry is protected. The important thing is that a virus or hacker not be able to commit copyright infringment and create a NEW copy. The attacker now has the copies you paid for, if you want that music and software again you need to pay a second time so that you and the attacker can both have copies.

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  18. Every second Tuesday by NaCl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft releases updates for Windows XP every second Tuesday of the month, Windows users should be aware of that, as there always is something fixed.

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    1. Re:Every second Tuesday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you are saying is that they have averaged almost one vulnerability a day this fortnight?

  19. windows updates/ how much gas is in your vehicle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, we check the gas guage on our vehicles on a regular basis don't we. i know, every now & then we think we can make it but...

  20. PC Benchwarming by bigskank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Windows users, don't forget to run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning."

    Not just to rag on MS, but I will NOT be running my PC monday morning. Given microsoft's less-than-stellar history of patch releases (Service Pack 2 still gives me night terrors), I'll wait at least a week or so to see what problems these patches create.

    It's unfortunate that many PC users (including myself) would rather risk having their PCs zombified or their data erased for a while longer instead of installing the latest MS patch. For me, past experience has shown me it's less of a risk to just sit it out for a while and see what new holes these patches open.

    1. Re:PC Benchwarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find you anecdotal evidence compelling, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. Re:PC Benchwarming by essdodson · · Score: 2

      Congratulations, you're the first person I know who has had problems with Service Pack 2.

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    3. Re:PC Benchwarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the first person I've heard from that had any sort of problem installing SP2. My installation went flawlessly.

    4. Re:PC Benchwarming by AnamanFan · · Score: 1

      The only SP2 installs I had fail on me were one custom CPU I own and one where the laptop was unpluged and the battery cut.

      But for hotfixes, patches, and lesser updates, I've never had a problem personally or with the hundereds of CPUs that come in to the desk.

      Now, I find OS X updates as a whole better to deal with as Apple will milestone their updates. Something I wish Redmond would do more often. But to be honest, I've had some quick OS X updates fail on me more than Windows updates.

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    5. Re:PC Benchwarming by wpmegee · · Score: 1

      That's funny... Service Pack 2 shouldn't let you install unless you're running on AC power - gives you an error message. Of course, I usually install from the 450mb redistributable version, not Windows Update.

    6. Re:PC Benchwarming by jwcorder · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What in the hell are you talking about? It's been at least 2 years since we have had a patch crash our machine here on a 5000 workstation environment.

      Not the mention that SP2 works great unless you happen to be running a in house application that was coded in basic back in 1942. Then you will have some problems. I have it running on about 10 workstations and I have had no problems except for once when I rolled back the install and corrupted a file. The only reason we haven't deployed it to all 5000 of our machines is that the firewall in SP2 does not allow remote control from the version of SMS we run in this environment. Once we get the new SMS version on the server, all workstations in this environment will be upgraded

      I am so sick of this crap. Sure MS is evil, but get over it. They are not the devil. Foosball is the devil!

      Seriously, I will be one of the first to get my patches on Tuesday morning....

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    7. Re:PC Benchwarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you win the moron award for attaching significance to anecdotal evidence.

    8. Re:PC Benchwarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>(Service Pack 2 still gives me night terrors),
      >> Users (including myself) would rather risk having
      >> their PCs zombified or their data erased for
      >> a while longer instead of installing the
      >> latest MS patch

      Is BigSkank trolling or clueless ?
      How about another assinine statement: Dont patch your linux box, it might cause problems. I still have night terrors from the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel update

      Everyone : Install SP2 and enable auto updates for grandma.

      Slashdot mods : Quit modding up FUD mis-information

      BigSkank : seek professional help for the night terrors.

    9. Re:PC Benchwarming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are exactly the kind of person who gets zombied, then blames Microsoft for it. When was the last time a patch you've installed really broke anything? What, SP2's firewall confused you that much? Give me a break, the last time a patch broke any functionality Microsoft briefed people six months beforehand. They send out advance bullitens just for turning the damn firewall on.

      The only time to my knowledge that applications have had problems our end with Windows updates, is where they relied on undocumented/unsupported behaviours, which is a dumb idea to have, regardless of operating system.

      I've run the IT department for a large organsiation now for the last six months, and we just use software update services, and automatically keep up to date. We're usually patched organisation wide within hours of any new release. Give me one distribution that has that built in? We dumped our Linux CAD machines only last month because it was a pain in the cock to manage them.

    10. Re:PC Benchwarming by wooger · · Score: 1

      Did you really just refer to computers as "CPUs"?
      Thats funny, coming from a sysadmin.

    11. Re:PC Benchwarming by AnamanFan · · Score: 1

      It was pluged in when it started, but then it was moved, the cord got unpluged, and POOF!

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    12. Re:PC Benchwarming by AnamanFan · · Score: 1

      Nope, not a sysadmin. Just a helpdesk tech.

      But I use CPUs since I'm used to dealing with users who bring screens, keyboards, mouse, speakers, cords, and their computer that using CPU gets the idea across. That or they ask what I'm talking about and get the 'just the computer box' concept.

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      AnamanFan - Trying to find the Truth, one post at a time.
    13. Re:PC Benchwarming by glazed · · Score: 1

      You think that running the latest patches right away is only something for Windows. I keep my system protected in more ways than an OS patch and....I wait just as long for even Apple updates where the hardware and software are much more of a homogeneous environment for an update to be tested.

  21. Monday Morning? by Shawn+Parr · · Score: 0, Redundant

    On my calendars the 8th is a Tuesday. Maybe all the Windows users should try WU that day . . .

  22. Re:Maybe I'm Just New Here, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The folks in Redmond are doing us all a big favor in producing a great product like Windows"

    (*rimshot* ba-dum-bum)

    Man, you are funny... Where will you be appearing next? Do you have an agent I can contact for bookings?

  23. New Slashdot format by EaterOfDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    10 Print New Awesome Mac Product 20 Print New Windows Security Problem 30 Goto 10

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    Crushing my karma one post at a time.
    1. Re:New Slashdot format by Professor+Cool+Linux · · Score: 1

      you forgot a dozen Google V. MSN stories...

    2. Re:New Slashdot format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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  24. Explain this to a non-windows guy by broothal · · Score: 1

    I'm not that much into windows, but this windows-update thingy seems like a great idea. My only question is - why don't they just release the patches once they're done? I mean - setting a specific date is like a release plan; we don't release just yet, but we estimate that we're ready on monday with it all.

    Especially security patches should be released immediately when they're done. Distributing the releases would probably also take some load of the servers. Or am I missing something about windows update?

    1. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by essdodson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Their corperate customers have asked them to schedule updates in this manner unless they absolutely must be pushed out in a hurry. MS previously released weekly on Tuesdays, now due to input from large corperate customers who like to plan downtimes and patches they do it once a month.

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    2. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by pe1chl · · Score: 1

      This was decided some time ago when there were so many patches that people started to notice how leaky the system is, and wondered why they had to go to Windows Update once or twice every week.

    3. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by Emperor+Skull · · Score: 4, Informative

      Past experience has shown that exploits are developed very quickly after a patch is released. Without advance notice admins can't schedule or plan to deploy updates. I test and approve patches for about 3000 Windows machines. I'm also in Louisiana where this happens to be a 4 day weekend because of Mardi Gras. Had a critical patch been released on Thursday or Friday I probably wouldn't get to even look at it before next Wednesday. If an exploit was released before then, then well my first day back is going to be a real bad day. While the second Tuesday of the Month might not be perfect for everybody, at least we can plan for it. I know I'll remote in and approve the patches for deployment to my test lab sometime on Mardi Gras day (and watch bugtraq and other places to help determine how important it is to deploy these quickly.) ES

    4. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by seigniory · · Score: 1

      Not to go a-trolling, but if keeping your network(s) running properly is a priority of yours, there's no such thing as a "long weekend". How long have you been in IT? :-)

    5. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, vacation? Time off? Leisure? Personall wellness? People work for a living, not live for work. Don't be a bitch to your employer.

    6. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know there were 300 computers of _any_ kind in Louisana.

    7. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Past experience has shown that exploits are developed very quickly after a patch is released. Without advance notice admins can't schedule or plan to deploy updates. I test and approve patches for about 3000 Windows machines."

      1. If you're on a corporate network, chances are that your firewall will minimise the effects of many of these holes.
      2. Most Windows exploits are developed quite a while after the patch is released - usually months after.
      3. Exploits to Windows holes usually work in conjunction with something else - usually email - to propogate. Be vigilant.
      4. Keep your AV up to date and deployed company-wide.
      5. Use external email AV services.
      Generally, you can ride out an exploit as long as your perimeter defense is sorted and your email is scanned externally. To date I have not seen an exploit appear before a patch - that's what worries me...
    8. Re:Explain this to a non-windows guy by Emperor+Skull · · Score: 1
      I've been in IT for over 20 years. I've worked for big corporations, privately held companies, a hospital, done consulting, and now I've settled in at a State University. It's not the place for those that value gross pay above everything else, but it has it's benefits, time off being one of them.

      I understand it's a lot harder to get a "long weekend" in a business or organization that continues to operate during the time you are trying to get away. However when the doors are locked and nobody is there expecting things to work, it's not such a big deal.

      ES

      - Of course that means my replies on Slashdot are always WAY late...

  25. Re:Maybe I'm Just New Here, but... by mattspammail · · Score: 1
    News flash, AnonC:

    e-mail, browsers, and half a dozen minesweeper imitations all exist on platforms other than Windows.

    And yes, they are equally simple to use. It's just that you've never ventured out at all. (but then I guess you did post as a coward...)

    Cheers.

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  26. Idiots by essdodson · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) It's Tuesday not Monday; afternoon rather than morning as they seem to release about noon time PST.
    2) This is a repeat.

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    1. Re:Idiots by NaruVonWilkins · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I'm really tired of hearing the same story over and over when there's much more interesting news to be read.

  27. Please mod parent -1, Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Anyone who has to keep a system running will never allow any new software on a system until it's been tested.

    Auto-update is dangerous to stability!

    Also, it seems the M$ fanboys are out in force today. Nice to see Billy G's billions can still buy a bit of astroturf.

    1. Re:Please mod parent -1, Stupid by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      So I'm stupid because you don't agree with what Microsoft do?
      Jeez, don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling you how it works.

      Auto-update is dangerous to stability!

      So, did I say it was always good for stability anywhere? Calm down.

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  28. AntiSpyware by inertia187 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you haven't done it already, go to microsoft.com and search for antispyware. Install Microsoft AntiSpyware (beta). You'd be surprised how many trojans and spyware it will find on your "secure" Windows boxen.

    Microsoft didn't write it. It's GIANT AntiSpyware with a new label. It may think some of your legitimate apps are spyware, like VNC, but it usually marks them as ignore by default anyway. It's great if you forgot they were there or someone else installed them without your knowledge.

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    A programmer is a machine for converting coffee into code.
    1. Re:AntiSpyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok did it and found nothing. Next!
      I have VNC installed for laptop hooked to TV, no spyware. OH WAIT YOU ARE REFERING TO BETA SOFTWARE THAT WAS UPDATED THE DAY IT WAS REPORTED.

      sigh if you want to be a linux zealot get your info up to date. dork

    2. Re:AntiSpyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will only find something if you're using IE or installing soft bundling spyware/adware/... The only thing it finds here is false alarms (UltraVNC, Dameware, and more tools). That's pretty old news, and I wonder how is this related with the news? If anything, it should be moderated, Offtopic, not Informative.

    3. Re:AntiSpyware by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 2, Informative
      It found exactly nothing, just like Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D and Clam AV and AVG and whatever else I tried. Am I in violation of any natural laws here?

      Except for that one time when I decided I'd go see what it's really like for those who always complain about random popups and slowdowns and stuff.

      It was quite a hassle at first, but once you've disabled/enabled enough to get the malware to install, there's a rainbow-coloured nightmare wonderland of Studly Males Online Gambling Hello Kitty Porno Toolbar Screensavers waiting. It's a regular shadow internet. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe! Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die...

      At least I discovered spyware scanners actually do something and will happily keep recommending them (as I keep recommending Macs. Maybe I should try those, too)

  29. Automatic Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real Windows users use Automatic Update and ignore this crap.

  30. Try again on Tuesday by Eradicator2k3 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Better yet, try running Windows Update on Tuesday (8 Feb), not on Monday (7 Feb). That is when the patch is supposed to be released.

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  31. MODERATOR GUIDELINES ANYONE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent post was a classic (if unsubtle) TROLL.

    In no way was it aggressively provocative or distateful enough to be considered FLAMEBAIT.

    I wish some the mods here would get a fucking clue!

    1. Re:MODERATOR GUIDELINES ANYONE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, reading it again, I think it's an attempt at humor.

      Maybe there should be a "FUNNY TROLL" mod option.

    2. Re:MODERATOR GUIDELINES ANYONE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think all trolls are funny by definition. But Slashdot doesn't, so I protect my karma.

    3. Re:MODERATOR GUIDELINES ANYONE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote the grandparent personally. It started out as a rant against Slashdot and their willingness to spank Redmond any chance they get, but a flash of humor forced me to spit that list bit about how great Windows is. Your summary of my intention is about as close as one can get without reading my mind.

      I posted AC because moderators are in large morons because they moderate on their own biases relevant to the story, and their moderations affect my future capabilities on Slashdot. On my real account, I have excellent karma and I won't let some idiot moderator harm it because he singly doesn't agree with me.

  32. So you're implying that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows security holes are as common as getting email?

    "Ha-Ha"

  33. You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Sebastian+Jansson · · Score: 0

    I'd not reccomend anyone to trust automatic updates to make them secure.

    When using Windows you should always be behind a firewall(hard or soft) that blocks all incomming traffic that you haven't explicitly allowed.

    I, for one, will not rush to make those updates, yet I feel safe.

    1. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Joe+U · · Score: 3, Informative

      When using Windows you should always be behind a firewall

      When shouldn't you be behind a firewall? With the exception of say, a WebTV, ALL operating systems should be behind a firewall.

      Mac included.

    2. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity why should I put my Mac behind a firewall?

    3. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Because people think that their experiences with Windows apply universally to all OSes.

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    4. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by HairyCanary · · Score: 1

      I run one of my Linux boxes directly on the 'net, and have never had any trouble. It only exposes SSH to the world and I can't run IE on it, so (wonder of wonders) it has never been compromised.

      The last time I put an XP box on the 'net without firewall protection (my firewall was malfunctioning and I needed to get some information off the web) .... it was compromised in under 30 seconds.

      So I agree that Windows users should never have their computer connected to the 'net without being protected by a firewall. Everyone else is optional but recommended for extra protection.

    5. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you took the same amount of time to configure your Windows box as you did your Linux box, you would not have been compromised in under 30 seconds.

      But you didn't. You decided, hey, I've got this Windows system that's unpatched, and running extra services I don't need, lemme hook it up to the Internet without taking the 10 seconds to turn the software firewall on.

      If you did that on Linux and had it compromised you wouldn't tell anyone.

      So, lets get facts straight here.

      Poor sysadmin skills on linux = owners fault.
      Poor sysadmin skills on Windows = Microsoft's fault.

      Thanks, got it.

    6. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q:Just out of curiosity why should I put my Mac behind a firewall?

      A: The same reason you wear a seatbelt.

      But feel free to wait for the first worm that wipes out half the Mac systems on the net. I know I am.

    7. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The running extra services that you don't need is Microsoft's fault, just as if a linux distro is running things you don't need is that distro makers fault. Linux distros and MS shouldn't have any ports open by default.

    8. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize Windows has certain services that need to be running and can not be configured to bind only to certain interfaces, right? Services like RPC and COM/DCOM are necessary for Windows to run, yet there is no "listen only on localhost" option. Firewalls like the one in SP2 (pre-SP2 the firewall would be enabled after the interfaces were brought up, not before) or third party firewalls like Zonealarm are a workaround not a solution. It should not be necessary to have any services listening on any network interface except loopback in order to run Windows.

    9. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by norkakn · · Score: 1

      i feel pretty safe with ipfw

    10. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the exception of say, a WebTV, ALL operating systems should be behind a firewall.

      What about when your Linux box IS your firewall?

      Are you telling me I should connect my cable modem to some lame ass router to use as my firewall, and set up port forwarding via the web to expose the exact same services? Get real.

    11. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you telling me I should connect my cable modem to some lame ass router to use as my firewall
      I said 'a firewall' not 'some lame ass router'.

      A software, or hardware firewall is fine. All systems should be protected by a firewall.

      Get real.
      Learn to read.

    12. Re:You should be behind a firewall anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Microsoft or the distro maker supposed to know what services you need in particular? Seriously, they have to make a guess and it's YOUR job to disable what you don't want.

      Now, the 'disable services' job should be easy. It can be accomplished by a wizard interface for Windows or whatever linux uses.

  34. VUNERABILITY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's a fucking VUNERABILITY?

    You didn't mean to write vulnerability on
    all of those occasions? ...

  35. Go easy on /. please - I appreciate the heads up.. by tyroneking · · Score: 1

    ... and I didn't see much Microsoft bashing in the original article.

  36. Trusted computing requires hardware by jerometremblay · · Score: 1

    To have a "trusted computing" environment as they want it, we need hardware to ensure that software is what it says it is.

    Usually it involves having key (as in RSA) locked down in a temper-proof hardware chip, and the computer use that key to assert that the software it is about to run is indeed signed by and for that key. For example, a Linux kernel could be signed by such a key, and at boot time the system would validate it and if it passes, we can assume that it is not compromised by a virus or something. The kernel would then have the job to verify the rest of the programs it wants to run.

    Of course the safety of such systems relies on the chips containing the keys. Any attempts to get them out of there would trigger them to self-destruct.

    There is a project around working on an IBM card like that to provide a virtual currency, but i can't find the link right now. It basically runs an open source package, and the card can verify that it not modified. (I would like the link if anyone knows) It allows anyone to check the source code and see for themselves that it contains no backdoor.

    Like any powerful technology, it can be used to do very good things(tm), and very bad things(tm).

  37. Just switch over to your Mac Mini while you reboot by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    While you're patching your lovely Windows box and doing the reboot parade, why not switch over to your Mac Mini and catch up on some Ruby tutorials? =)

  38. A different perspective by AverageMidget · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some Windows users (like myself) shut off the "Automatic update" service (along with many others) in order to have less system resources used (and less vulnerabilities) while doing what really matters...surfing for porn! Although I can understand the disgust with constantly hearing about patches, there are some people who might not hear about them any other way.

  39. Do I need SP2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have XP SP1 installed as vmware guest and I run windows update on it. I;ve installed all the security patches except SP2 which windowsupdate keep nagging to install. Is XP vulnerable without SP2 or is it safe on SP1 with all the security patches?

  40. Re:Yeah, but it's still written in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Clearly, you have keen insight and abilities that are unappreciated by your current employer. Perhaps you should look for a job where there are systems more in tune with your unique view of the IT universe.

  41. A couple of the updates by Sophrosyne · · Score: 2, Funny

    # Windows XP Media Center Edition may unexpectedly crash while being shown before large audiences.
    # User may 'hijack' Internet Explorer settings, this update will reset your Internet Explorer start page and search settings to the new and improved MSN Search.
    # Fixes vulnerability that allows users to view old Teen-Beat photographs that may contain images that could shock your system!

  42. Allow me to rephrase the question. by gimpboy · · Score: 1

    What disadvantage do the corporate users have if Microsoft releases the patches today. The corporate folks can still install the patches on Monday --- or any day they choose. Assuming the patches are ready, I see no reason not to make them available on the web for anyone eager to patch their systems.

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    1. Re:Allow me to rephrase the question. by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      I believe the corporate users actually get the patches earlier than general release on Tuesday, so that they can evaluate them in testbed environments, so that they can roll them out without great concern that they may do unexpected things. Not 100% sure on that though.

    2. Re:Allow me to rephrase the question. by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      People who make exploits are lazy. They wait for a patch to come out, quickly figure out which hole it goes to, then write the exploit for that hole. Experience has shown that it's best if everyone can coordinate on one date to do the update.

    3. Re:Allow me to rephrase the question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you have no corporate experience.

      Any company that has to answer to their customers, pretty much all, but especially those that provide some kind of support for a product. You must have 99.9% uptime, therefore you have to PLAN for doing things such as Windows updates, network maintenance, etc..

      You can't just go willy nilly taking down services that you abosolutely have to run 24/7/365.

      Automatic updates while good can also be very bad. Personally I have not experienced these problems, but I also don't run updates more than once a month if that. Several of these so called fixes have caused major problems for some people. Then MS pulls them and reissues another patch that fixes the previous patch. Some of these patches can cause problems with non-standard Windows apps. That is, programs that may have been programmed specifically for that company and is not some prepackaged code sitting on a store shelf.

  43. Lots of vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh oh, Microsoft has announced 13 vulnerabilities that will be patched early this month affecting vulnerabilities since the beginning of the yeay. That's certainly a whole lot. Well, at least it seems like it when you ignore the vulnerabilities of other platforms.

    Let's look at our good friends at Debian. Since January 1st they have issued 47 security vulnerabilities, including 17 buffer overflow vulnerabilities.

    http://www.debian.org/security/2005/

    So you zealous fuckers, which platform is more secure? Why don't the other vulnerabilities matter? Oh yeah, because you're ignorant childish fuckwits.

    1. Re:Lots of vulnerabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll chime in. Debian is more secure. Lots. I'll just point out that Debian fixes every patch they know about (and quickly), and Micro$oft patches only the ones that everyone ELSE knows about.

      Using the word 'fuck' lends no substance or legitimacy to your little tirade, but thanks for playing anyhow.

    2. Re:Lots of vulnerabilities? by Gilesx · · Score: 1

      Cute. Except that when you install Debian, you're installing over 500 additional apps. 51 bug fixes for 500+ apps isn't that bad to be honest. 13 bug fixes for Windows, Internet explorer, Media Player and Office is atrocious. Especially when you consider that Microsoft take on average 1-2 months to fix a single bug.

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    3. Re:Lots of vulnerabilities? by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 3, Insightful

      debian woody has like 8000 packages.

      Windows XP is a OS, graphical environment, msn messenger, wordpad, a few crappy games, some services...let's be good and say they've 1000 packages of software(they don't)

      13/1000= 0.13 vulnerabilities per package

      47/8000=0.005

      "So you zealous fucker, which platform is more secure?"

    4. Re:Lots of vulnerabilities? by fabu10u$ · · Score: 1
      "So you zealous fucker, which platform is more secure?"
      I don't get what sex addiction has to do with platform security.
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    5. Re:Lots of vulnerabilities? by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 1

      It were the original words from the anonymous coward ;)

  44. Remote update of office by weave · · Score: 1
    Anyone got any tips for remote updating office installs? SUS only works for Windows updates.

    There's various methods for updating office, some that appear to require the user to have admin privs, keeping a local copy of office install source on the computer at all times, etc, etc...

    It's all a mess if you have various versions of office out there... :-(

    1. Re:Remote update of office by RequestTimedOut · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try out WUS, successor to SUS and currently in beta. It allows you to select Office updates to deploy. (Office XP & higher I believe)

    2. Re:Remote update of office by exKingZog · · Score: 1

      Good luck is all I can say... We have Office 2000 installed, with Access XP and Outlook 2003. Trying to upgrade anything is a nightmare (especially as the bosses refuse to license any of this software, and thus it's single-user copies all the way - (yes, I have secure copies of memos from them telling me not to buy licensing!)). You can try deploying these things via Group Policy - it's possible to add a new program or patch and tell Active Directory that it upgrades or patches a previously assigned program. However, your mileage may vary (we're still failing to get Outlook to install successfully via GP).

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      "If he were a plant, people would roll him up and smoke him."
  45. Happy! by Woodblock · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm so HAPPY they are having a webcast! That more than makes up for the ridiculous quality of their operating system. A webcast! It is like 1998 all over again.

  46. Three words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point in continually reporting this drivel?

    Two minutes hate.

  47. I know, it's just... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 0

    (Warning: long rant)
    that we're getting sick tired of having to run windows update every 2 months. We've been doing that since about 2 years ago. Frankly, I'm sick.

    When I opened my shrinkwrap, the EULA it didn't tell me that I had to connect to Microsoft every N months or else I wouldn't be attacked by a hacker or virus. This was supposed to be a finished product, not a pre-beta >:S

    How long will this happen? Until Longhorn? You know, for a lot of time I had complained about Microsoft because of what OTHER users had to endure: Spyware, viruses, crashes... but now it's starting to annoy me. I mean, an uncareful person can be bothered with this stuff. But the fear and tension associated with "oh no, another vulnerability" can't let anyone escape if (s)he runs Windows.

    It's not the security updates themselves that annoy me. It's knowing that the thing is so defective that it has to be given maintenance every 2 months or so. If I was running a car, I'd return it (but I can't). I just want to find out who were the morons who designed it and humilliate them publicly. Oh yeah. A bunch of people with clubs and torches wouldn't be bad ;-P

    I'm just sick tired of this. :-/ When's ReactOS going to be ready, dammit? Some millionaire please invest some money and start paying the guys. You know, the government should invest in free software development if they keep failing at punishing Microsoft for monopoly.

    1. Re:I know, it's just... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with running Windows Update every 2 months. Hell, I run apt-get a lot more than that. That's just part of running ANY Internet connected OS. The only problem is that Windows STILL isn't secure enough, even if you run Update regularly.

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  48. Did You RTFA? by Rolan · · Score: 5, Informative
    1) The 8th is TUESDAY and the SECOND TUESDAY of every month is when Microsoft does their patch releases (unless they're so critical they release them out of cycle).
    2) It's not 13 patchs for windows. As the article could not state any clearer it's:

    9 Microsoft Security Bulletins affecting Microsoft Windows. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for these security updates is Critical. Some of these updates will require a restart.
    1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft SharePoint Services and Office. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Moderate. These updates may or may not require a restart.
    1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft .NET Framework. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Important. This update will require a restart.
    1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft Office. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for this security bulletin is Critical. These updates will require a restart.
    1 Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Microsoft Windows, Windows Media Player, and MSN Messenger. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for these security updates is Critical. These updates will require a restart.


    3) Read before you submit.
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    1. Re:Did You RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...

      ...Some of these updates will require a restart.

      ...These updates may or may not require a restart.

      ...This update will require a restart.

      ...These updates will require a restart.

      ...These updates will require a restart.

      So much for patching without rebooting in Windows!

    2. Re:Did You RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pedants must be a real hit with the ladies...

    3. Re:Did You RTFA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How ironic...

      The QOTD when I read this post says: No amount of genius can overcome a preoccupation with detail.

  49. This is just what is so wrong with them.. by kabbor · · Score: 0

    They have time to announce that they will be paching critical flaws in, like, 72 hours time

    I would consider that an OS has failed miserably if they are aware of an unpached vulnerability for 72 hours. Unless it is very complex, 24 hours would be excessive.

  50. Making a more secure Windows by The+Fifth+Man · · Score: 3, Informative

    IE always seems to be the weak point, or the HTML subsystem... Even if it isn't, I've got instructions on removing several subsystems from Windows that will make it more secure.

    Check out my page on Windows patches, I think it's a convincing argument to rip all of this stuff out of Windows. Just download the files, drag-drop-replace, burn, and install.

    XP subsystem removal software here.

    1. Re:Making a more secure Windows by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      You're the kind of person who calls me at technical support when that process breaks other applications.

    2. Re:Making a more secure Windows by The+Fifth+Man · · Score: 1

      Yeah. That describes me, allright. Windows 2000 without IE since 2001. People like me, who install Windows without IE, are just calling YOU left and right to figure out what to do. Because we don't have IE, and (apparently) everything breaks. From ym own site: "Most IT professionals won't actually read my process (be honest, guys; if you did, you wouldn't print half the things you post on messageboards about Windows being "unstable." First, you couldn't do it at all, the MCSEs said. Now, it'll make it unstable, the MCSEs say, without actually trying it.)"

  51. patch wars by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    Of course, the editor doesnt actually mean it, its just a taunt. This stupid "my patches vs your patches" game is ridiculous and further cements slashdot as a "teen hangout" than anything resembling a tech site.

    Not to mention running an update on most linux distros demands a serious amount of patching.

    If slashdot would stop taunting for two minutes, they would realize that MS has a policy of patching on the first tuesday of each month and once auto-updates are enabled this becomes a non-issue.

    Its getting old, really. If MS patches or doesnt patch, its going to be a slashdot item with the typical trolls coming out from under their bridges.

    According to secunia the web browser I'm using has 5 non-patched critical security holes. Guess what, I'm not using IE. Has this been a slashdot item yet? If not why? Where are mozilla's tuesday patches? Oh right, we have a double standard for them and just wait for release 1.1 without saying a word.

    1. Re:patch wars by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1


      According to secunia the web browser I'm using has 5 non-patched critical security holes. Guess what, I'm not using IE.


      That's because if you were using IE, you'd be much worse off. Although Opera might be a reasonable, although not perfect, second choice.

      However, I'm sure that wasn't your point. You're talking double standards. If you do a simple search, you'll find that Slashdot DOES, in fact, report Firefox vulnerabilities.

      As an aside, one the the common threads that pop up whenever Slashdot does a bit on Microsoft vulnerabilities is the inevitable link to Secunia for an Open Source project. Unfortunately, the point seems to be the numbers, ignoring the actual vulnerabilities themselves. Which leads to an apples and oranges comparison. This seems to be lost on the general Slashdot readership as this happens again and again. Which begs the question whether this is all a troll. I doubt it. The same ignorance of the underlying complexity of the issues is often expressed in Microsoft / Windows criticism too (assuming that trolls only work with a pro-MS slant).
  52. Curious thing... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Linux vulnerablities reports appear at about the same frequency as Windows ones.
    But where Linux vulnerablities are reported one per report, with Windows you get a 3-15 bundles with Windows... Maybe this kind of tactic, you hear about Linux problems at least as often as about Windows, so it leaves you with impression they are the same level...

    When was the last time Linux developers shipped 13 different vulnerablity patches at once?

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  53. Re:Maybe I'm Just New Here, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, Matt, and welcome to the internet.

    YHBT. YHL. HAND.

  54. Complaints make it harder for those with interest. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 0


    Please don't visit and comment on stories in which you have no interest.

  55. mnb Re:At least they are actively patching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...then remember that in those days you also dialed in on a 19.2 Baud modem, and it sucked ass.


    Damn, that would suck ass.
    My first modem was 300 baud.
  56. KB891711 killed my 2003 server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I turn all automatic updates off since that disaster. This patched user32.dll and after application, my 2003 box does a continous reboot. Removing the patch fails to restore functionality.I had to retore from a drive image to get back running. I'm running 2003 as a desktop, so I don't fit the average testing profile, but it is unacceptable to have a patch completely depants my workstation.

    1. Re:KB891711 killed my 2003 server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So your saying installing Windows XP SP2, ruined your Windows 2003 installation? I wonder why!?

    2. Re:KB891711 killed my 2003 server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats strange. I have installed KB 891711 on 4 2003 servers on my network, all Enterprise Edition, without any issues whatsoever. Then again, I don't use any of these systems as my DESKTOP MACHINE. Hmmm maybe you might want to reconsider?

  57. The sad reality of this is: by dariyam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The people that actually keep up with these updates are the same people that use McCaffee and that enable encryption on their WIFI routers; they are the slightly-savvy citizens of the Microsoft community, and are a minority--and are probably already protected from these exploits beforehand, by some third-party software somewhere. While everyone else, that doesn't have the time or know-how to protect their PCs are the ones getting hurt the worst by these vulnerabilities. I think updates should be forced by this Operating System, kind of like how AOL back in the 90's wouldn't let you sign off a session and release your modem till you had downloaded their damn updates (which I am--even till today-- convinced were ad-packs).

  58. been done before, but i can't resist by iONiUM · · Score: 1

    Micro$oft? Get a life fucker.

    1. Re:been done before, but i can't resist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, you think the '$' isn't cute anymore? I think it's quite fitting. After all, Gates is the closest thing in the world to M. Reynolds Crane, the Karfedelix of Wealth. Not that The Beast of Redmond is any different from any other large company in this, but money *is* their primary concern. The same cannot be said for the legions of Linux developers and enthusiasts.

      You may suggest (via the use of an online comic strip - what a compelling argument!) that the efforts of the Open Source community represent the very epitome of quixoticism... but the subject of this story paints a different picture. Clearly, this particular windmill knows fear. Time will tell whether software driven by marketers or by enthusiasts is more viable.

      Besides all of the above, the O.P. annoyed me with his poorly-thought out defense of a company which cares not a whit for his well-being, or his satisfaction with their product. Also, his usage of the word 'fuck' was excessive, gratuitous, unnecessary, and ultimately pointless - as was yours. I hope at this point that I've annoyed you both beyond the point of rationality, because you seem to need it.

      Talk about needing to get a life...

    2. Re:been done before, but i can't resist by iONiUM · · Score: 1

      Not really. To be honest i chortled quite a lot during the brief minute i read the first line of your post. Good work at re-inforcing my current take on linux users. I never thought the use of the '$' was cute, and i still think anybody who uses it, does very much like you, feel the need to use "grandiose" words and little allusions to try and justify themselves.

      So let's make this clear for you. You're a fuck twat, linux isn't #1, or anywhere close on the desktop, and nobody gives a shit what you have to say. Or perhaps i'll phrase it like this: your death will have no impact, on anyone, and your life is just as useless.

    3. Re:been done before, but i can't resist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get so much hate? Did mommy refuse you the tit?

      Clue time: it's not just linux users who dislike M$. Calling people fuck twats (which means what, exactly?) is a pretty weak argument in support of the security of Windows - like it or not, Windows is by default and by design an inherently insecure operating system. It's also a rather poor user experience, compared to other offerings.

      I can understand you not liking literary allusions and understandable sentences, what with your inability to clearly communicate via the written word and all (you seem to have some difficulty with capitalization, too). It's the hypocrisy that's truly distressing. You don't like open source, but you use Firefox; you don't like linux users' attitudes, but you yourself are just as big a prick and (if possible) more irrational in your vocal support. What gives? Do you just have to hate on everyone who isn't you? Bet your girlfriend loves that.

      Again, if this thread is causing you to spew that much anger, you are the one who needs to get a life. Seriously - you did comp-sci at McMaster, and you're telling ME that MY life doesn't matter? Now I DO feel useless. I guess I should just off myself, then.

      [sigh] Kids these days.

    4. Re:been done before, but i can't resist by iONiUM · · Score: 1

      I guess I should just off myself, then.

      Excellent

  59. Better yet by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    Set it to auto update so you don't have to worry about it.

    1. Re:Better yet by zonker · · Score: 0

      yeah, makes me wonder what will happen to folks who have autoupdate turned on when microsoft starts implementing their "certified windows copy" program (or whatever it's called) and folks whose computers don't have valid copies on them try looking for updates. also, i wonder if that system is going to affect corporate/enterprise copies...

  60. Virus writers... by PuppiesOnAcid · · Score: 2, Funny
    Windows users, don't forget to run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning.
    Virus writers, don't forget to exploit these vulnerabilities before then.
  61. Re:windows users, don't forget to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you make an operating system that's tailored for little whiny bitches like you, always complaining about how Microsoft is stealing our money, or they don't like this, or they don't like that. It also doesn't help that little bitches like you also cause issue with backwards compatability because some 10 year old game "just has to work." Btw, Linux is no fucking better. You -will- rue the day when Linux has just as many issues... Furthermore, you're finding every goddamn reason to make yourself feel better about taking on an operating system that has not one good solid app that the end user or professional world really recognizes, beyond the OS. And... Linux has NO place on the desktop, as it's built on a foundation that was meant for servers and related devices. Fuckin' idiots.

  62. aspell, anyone? by kernelistic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Come on guys, how hard could spelling "Vulnerabilities" correctly be?

  63. 9+1+1+1+1=? by interactive_civilian · · Score: 1
    Rolan so eloquantly said:
    2) It's not 13 patchs for windows.
    Ummm...I ask you to name any one other operating system than Windows that these should be applied to.

    a.) the last time I checked, 9+1+1+1+1 = ...wait for it... 13

    b.) these are only for machines running Windows.

    Therefore, 13 new Windows security vulnerabilities.

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    1. Re:9+1+1+1+1=? by Rolan · · Score: 1

      No, that would be 10 for windows, and 3 for things that run on windows, and other OSes for that matter. I know at least one person who got SharePoint running on a linux machine.

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      - AMW
    2. Re:9+1+1+1+1=? by Jahz · · Score: 1

      And does the Sharepoint vulnerability affect your friend on linux?

      Besides, I was not aware that MS released software for Linux. If your friend is using a Windows emulator (i.e. wine - linux, or Virtual PC - mac), I would say that still counts as a Windows ONLY fix.

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  64. The problem with windows is by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real problem with windows is that every 2-3 years they come out with a new version and have to go through all this crap all over again. Just when they've fixed most of the bugs, they come out with a new version, get everyone to upgrade, and we're back to the beginning. Windows 98 runs just about everything. And at this point most of the bugs have been patched. I knew guys that were still using windows 95 osr2 in 2000 because it was one of the most stable and streamlined systems available.

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    1. Re:The problem with windows is by cnettel · · Score: 1
      I'm sorry, but you're mostly wrong. 9x had issues on its own, and when run with anything more recent then IE 4.x, I can promise you the web parts were buggy as hell. Regarding IE 3.x I don't know, because no-one in his right mind used or supported it.

      If you look at recent bugs, they're very often tracked back to NT 4.x or IE 5.x, the oldest things still supported. Likewise for Windows Media Player. They have been there all along. With XP SP2, we have even started seeing issues that were handled by their proactive (and incomplete) measures there making bugs no-bugs in SP2, while they still cause vulnerabilities in older releases.

      If you use old features in your new software, it's generally less bug-ridden. They might even have learned something -- large parts of the new Longhorn stuff might be "managed" (somewhat safer) and other parts are hopefully done in a more thoughtful manner than before. Very little made XP more insecure than 2000 and very little made Windows 2003 more insecure than 2000. Quite the opposite.

    2. Re:The problem with windows is by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have to agree with CastrTroy here... I run 98SE for the exact reason he has stated. I provide tech support to 6 different schools in my area and I'm having to turn new job offers down because I just don't have enough hours in the week to do them.

      Everyone is surprised that I run 98 but, especially now, I know the problems that it has and I have systems in place to stop them. I know it crashes a lot but I also know how to fix it. I've never lost a windows 95/98/me installation yet. However, the XP and 2K machines that I support will lock into all sorts of reboot loops and cryptic stop messages that I can nothing about but restore from backup.

      The schools I work for were stung big-time by things like Sasser, they were taken completely off-guard and all reached a critical state within a few days when not one of their PC's would stay up for more than a few minutes.

      Because of my setup and because of the way that viruses are now only targeting the new vulnerabilities, I'm pretty safe. I've NEVER, repeat NEVER, had a virus on any computer that I own and for many years didn't even bother with an antivirus.

      Nowadays, the only reason I have antivirus is so that I can scan emails from people who forward me crap and ask "is this a virus/trojan etc?". Most of the time, it's a yes before I even bother to scan it.

      Virus writers are not targetting me, they'd have a very hard time if they did because I'm not stupid.
      My IE is up-to-date and never used, because I realised many years ago what a mistake it is to use it. IE is installed purely for Windows Update.

      I have people who I support who are still happily running 98, even 95, some of whom are years behind on updates and they don't have a problem because they are educated, firewalled, know what not to do and have established measures in place, have had for years.

      Only the 2000/XP computers that I support have problems with such junk because, like Sasser, there was little a user could do to prevent it as it came out of the blue. That's what 98 was like many years ago but we've since established a routine that prevents that.

      There is NOTHING WRONG with running an older Windows OS, even an out-of-date, not-updated OS. Sure, I wouldn't use it as a server but then I wouldn't use Windows as a server given half a choice, precisely because of it's many problems.

      Windows "automatic update" has screwed up many a machine that I support, and given all sorts of weird problems becuase of it installing crap and hogging internet connections.

      Windows 98 works for me, does everything I need to, is blindingly fast (but you don't notice that until you use it after using XP), behind a suitable set of protective measures is as safe as a Windows 2000/XP machine behind the same measures, easy to recover and suffers less problems overall.

      Experiment for the adventurous: Get a Windows 3.1 box, install TCP/IP and put it on the net. Wait for it to be compromised. Perform similar action on XP/2K, even with latest updates.

      One of my firewalls is still running a Linux 2.0 kernel because it's simple, safe, and works. Old decrepid. Old = tried and tested.

      Ask NASA why they won't put a Intel with XP controlling the space shuttle. Now ask them why they would use a Z80 with something like CP/M or Unix.

    3. Re:The problem with windows is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I knew guys that were still using windows 95 osr2 in 2000 because it was one of the most stable and streamlined systems available."

      lol thats very funny. in 2000 did they like to listen to rolling stones while they played hover too!!

    4. Re:The problem with windows is by the_partisan · · Score: 0
      Now ask them why they would use a Z80 with something like CP/M or Unix.

      Because the Space Shuttle is an old, obsolete, decrepit piece of crap.

    5. Re:The problem with windows is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is definitely true.

      I use windows 98 for games and most of the unused components are removed, including anything related to internet. Very stable.

    6. Re:The problem with windows is by ledow · · Score: 1

      Incorrect - they don't want ANY unknowns. Imagine something like the Pentium FDIV bugs showing themselves for the first time in a mission-critical application. You don't just throw in any old rubbish when billions of dollars of investments rides on it working perfectly without testing and testing and testing until you're as certain as you can be.

    7. Re:The problem with windows is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a Windows 3.1 box, install TCP/IP and put it on the net. Wait for it to be compromised. Perform similar action on XP/2K, even with latest updates.

      You got a way to do that, using an ethernet card
      (ne2000)? I want to know about it. Trumpet is dialup only, and I don't have that. j o s h u d s o n @ h o t m a i l . c o m

    8. Re:The problem with windows is by yarichg** · · Score: 1

      I think I agree w/ alot of what ur saying and followed the same line of thinking for many years....the problem comes when new apps come out w/ new features and capabilities that won't run on any version of 98 and certainly not 95. That having been said.. If u don't need it...then why bother "upgrading" ..I totally agree w/ that argument.

    9. Re:The problem with windows is by ledow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's more because companies like to make money than it isn't possible. I think I've pretty much reached a point where any applications I don't have, I don't need or I can find some version which has the same features that DOES run on 98 (Open Source to the rescue).

      More and more, it's hard-coded restrictions rather than a technical reason. I'm not saying that I will never have to upgrade but by the time I do, hopefully Windows XP/2000/whatever will have stabilised to the same point or Linux will be usable as a desktop. I hate the "you have to upgrade it because it's old" argument... it's a crock.

    10. Re:The problem with windows is by yarichg** · · Score: 1

      yea..I agree it is a crock and a marketing ploy at that. I avoided the "Its time to upgrade now or die " for many years until i finally gave in about 18 months ago.

    11. Re:The problem with windows is by runderwo · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Microsoft released a TCP/IP stack for Win3.1 later on. here is a page that gives you all the info you need.

    12. Re:The problem with windows is by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with the Pinto either, provide you know how to handle tuck-in.
      I think what you meant to say it:
      "Provided you know what you're doing, which most 'bought-this-PC-thingy-at-Wallmart' users don't, you can safely use whatever softwre you want".

  65. Re:They don't need to ??? by Hymer · · Score: 1

    Yeah rigt... wonderful...
    Last time I tried that some of our mission critical applications went dead...
    Since M$ system is so "well integrated" any update to allmost any component could sabotage something else... and some of those bloody security updates can't be uninstalled...

  66. spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haha. cant spell : vulnerabilities

  67. Re:windows users, don't forget to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No thanks, I'll stick to OpenBSD instead! I prefer security...

  68. Just MS trying to one-up Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Apple's Superbowl ad:

    "On January 24th, Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh. And you'll see why 1984 won't be like '1984'."

    Microsoft's Superbowl ad:

    "On February 8th, the Microsoft Security Response Center is planning to release Security Bulletins affecting Microsoft Windows. The greatest aggregate, maximum severity rating for these security updates is Critical."

    Nice.

  69. Re:Go easy on /. please - I appreciate the heads u by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    Yes, shocking.

    Maybe this is a sign. :)

  70. I got two words for you by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Mac Mini ...

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  71. Redhat Linux by mkop · · Score: 1

    How is this different/more important or whatever than redhat over 100 errata updates in 1 month. It is very hard to justify using redhat to management when you constantly have to apply patches. I will admit windows is no better and they probably should have several hundred a month but how can one say redhat is any better???

    1. Re:Redhat Linux by Mybrid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's different because Redhat Linux boxes don't actually go down because of an attack.

      In contrast millions of Windows users waste millions of hours and lose millions of dollars of data because of Microsoft vulnerabilities. To conclude:

      1. Redhat fixes are preemptive, attacks don't succeed.
      2. Many Microsoft fixes are after the fact, millions of dollars and hours are lost every year.
    2. Re:Redhat Linux by v1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think part of the gripe here is that MS "hoards" their updates and releases them periodically. This means the latest hole found a day after the scheduled update is going to remain an unpached hole for the next 30 days. At least with redhat, you can choose to run updates more frequently, and patch potential nasty things the day after they're discovered. If you don't want to be bothered with redhat's more frequent updates, then is it so hard to just run the updater on your favorite day of the month?

      Choice is good.

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    3. Re:Redhat Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Redhat offer updates to far more stuff than only Kernel, Gnome and Firefox... They distribute everything from that to games to servers to *three* office suites to a whole lot of stuff - which they keep up2date through up2date or yum (or apt if you want to - or you could probably just manualy download the rpm's as well). Many of the updates by Redhat are also functionality-updates - i.e. upgrading to a new version in order to update the functionality (etc) of a program.

      So the situations are really not compareable

      Microsoft update: only Windows
      Redhat update: OS and almost all programs.

    4. Re:Redhat Linux by CrossChris · · Score: 0

      It's radically different: Red Hat vulnerabilities are usually preemptively dealt with and don't result in crashes or data loss. MS vulnerabilities are usually catastrophic, knock the system over and lead to more security holes, with loss of service and the risk of corrupted or lost data.

      The differences are fundamental in the structure of the OS's.

      I'd back the RH boxen I maintain against anything MS have ever (or could ever) release, for stability, availability, speed, reliability, or any parameter you'd care to measure (with the exception of cost - MS costs much more than anything else!).

  72. WOW, Censorship is alive and well here by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Say anything negative against Microsoft nowadays, except in the meekest of manners, and you get modded to oblivion. What I wrote is 100% true, done in a humorous way, and the last sentence is optional but highly recommended. Anyone who doesn't know by now that Windows is the least secure OS out there gets what they deserve.

    You can suppress what I'm saying, but not the reality of what I said.

  73. Re:Complaints make it harder for those with intere by teknurd · · Score: 1

    Amen, preach it!

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  74. Repetition is the key to education by revscat · · Score: 1

    Unless this gets hammered on repeatedly, people will forget, and/or you will fail to educate newer users. Yes, this is /., but even this community suffers from human foibles. Count me amongst those who are satisfied with the status quo, here.

    1. Re:Repetition is the key to education by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, right. If Slashdot only posted about windows vulnerabilities once every three days -- or, for that matter, only posted about a vulnerability once instead of duping it four times -- we'd all completely forget that Microsoft is the evil empire.

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  75. Or just get rid of all the problems by dusanv · · Score: 1

    in one swift stroke and get on enjoying your life instead of reading boring documents about fixing problems someone else created.

  76. That's the last straw! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm getting a Mac.

  77. Safe Surfering by Mybrid · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It is trivial to run Microsoft without anit-virus software or anti-adware software safely.

    Let's call this safe surfing.

    The answer is to surf the web as user "Guest".

    There are a lot of things to be said about this but the most important is that Microsoft doesn't care about security because they don't educate this or default to this.

    As a computer consultant every day I get asked about safe computing. My answer on windows is this:

    1. Don't use Microsoft Express or Outlook at home. Instead use web email clients like Yahoo.
    2. Don't click on email links. Instead, cut-copy-paste the text of the displayed link into a new browser window.
    3. Log out as your account and log in as Guest whenever you 1.) use Windows Media Player or 2.) or 2.) surf unfamiliar web sites.

    People squawk about having to log out and log in as a different user. I tell them safe computing is no different than safe sex. You need to take responsibility. You need to decide how important being safe is to you.

    By enabling the Guest account and suring the web as guest, virus and adware can't install software, touch the registry, or write to anywhere on the disk other than the account folder for Guest. If the Guest account ever gets corrupted just delete it and create a new one.

    However, unlike with Unix, Windows is a hostile environment for mixing users.

    On Unix its easy. Just enable "sudo". Your default security mode is one of no access, user mode. You have to make a conscience choice to run with sudo.

    It is very unsatisying to run as "Guest" in Windows and then "Run As" a secure user and hardly anyone does it. It's almost futile to install software as an user on Windows other than someone with admin privileges. Almost every major software vendor's install willl fail unless admin privileges are used. By contrast, no such barrier exists in Unix. The "--prefix" option to most software will allow you to run from your home directory. And it's not always just the big things, but little things too. Unix uses the "~/username" shortcut to easily afford copying files between accounts.

    It is possible even in today's Microsoft environment to guarantee yourself the impact of a virus or adware can be contained to a sandbox, Guest user account.

    The fact that Microsoft doesn't make "RunAs Guest" the default security model as does Unix is something that Microsoft should be held accountable for.

    But the reality is Microsoft just doesn't care about security. The only care enough to give it lip service.

    1. Re:Safe Surfering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you have a career plan in place for when your customers realize you've been giving them a load of shit.

    2. Re:Safe Surfering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enabling the guest account has all sorts of problems on it's own. You should never enable common accounts.

    3. Re:Safe Surfering by omz · · Score: 1
      As a computer consultant every day I get asked about safe computing. My answer on windows is this: 1. 2. 3.

      what about

      • 4. Use alternative web browsers, i.e.:
      • firefox ( with the ieview extension for "ie only" pages )

        ?

    4. Re:Safe Surfering by Mybrid · · Score: 1
      Hi!

      Happy Sunday! Things are more complicated than I summarized here. My point of the posting was to point out that:

      1. It is possible to surf the web safely today without any spyware or antivirus ware with a limited privileged account on Windows.
      2. Windows doesn't encourage in anyway that people understand the security provided by Windows.

      With Unix its possible to change the window name of any program. I do this in mixed mode. Any window owned by root has ROOT in the title.

      Windows doesn't easily afford creating short cuts with "Run As". It's possible but a lot of work. Then if something like Windows Media Player does run as a Guest User, it's not apparent when its running because unlike with Unix you can't change the window title to have GUEST in it.

      My point was that Microsoft should default to a secure account and only require root or admin privileges when needed. This is the UNIX model and has been since 1970. The fact that Microsoft defaults all users to admin privileges is uncalled for in my opinion and deliberate malfeasance that they should be fined billions of dollars for. The simple solution of running as a secure account by default is such an trivial solution that Microsoft should be held accountable for solution that is over 30 years old.

      But in regards to Firefox, the answer is yes. I do encourage people to use Firefox. My post was a merely summary and not the whole story. If you really are interested in a discussion about MS safe surfing, feel free to email me directly. My slashdot handle is my real name and is also my email address at datarebels.com.

  78. Tech Support Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently working tech support for a DSL/ISP combo company (yeah, one of the Baby Bells) and customers are now calling and asking an interesting question: "What alternatives do I have?"

    Those asking this question have usually been burned a couple of times and had to spend money to get their trashed MS OS repaired or reinstalled. They are tired of trying to keep their Windows boxes running because they mostly don't know how, don't have the time to learn and really just want the thing to work and not have to mess with it all the time just to have to -- yet again -- pay someone else to fix it.

    Point: MS customers are past the exhaustion point due to MS Windows security and stability problems and are actively looking for someplace safe to jump. Mind you I'm talking about mom and pop and Joe User here -- the PHBs won't get it until it costs them their jobs.

    A competitor with a quality product which can meet the basic needs of these consumer-level folk has a rare opportunity here: Microsoft has actually made it easy to take away market share.

    Go Apple and Linux distros! Let mom and pop PC user know what you've got and where to get it. Apple can do a marketing campaign, Linux folks could use their local LUGS and do small local marketing campaigns on the cheap.

    People are actively looking for alternatives to the MS Gerbil Wheel of Pain, so show them what you've got.

  79. Run it now! by prandal · · Score: 1

    And get all the patches prior to next week's on first. That way, you'll be adding 13 instead of 45 patches next week.

    1. Re:Run it now! by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 0, Troll

      You are gay.

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  80. Re:Yeah, but it's still written in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy has a point actually, the standard libraries themselves have contained overflowable operations for many a year, that experienced folk like myself always have to watch out for.

  81. windowsphobia by dxxt · · Score: 1

    Sometimes people tends to be addictive to things they hate. At least I am one of them. There are some ads that I hate so much that whenever they are aired on TV, I will rush to watch them, and then curse about their stupidity. I feel some slashdotters also have this phobia, which, after cursing MS for whatever they do, makes them feel good about themselves.

  82. The most interesting update incluced... by saskboy · · Score: 1

    ...Is the one patching the Windows Calendar, making Feb. 8 2005 a Monday, so this article will be correct starting on Tuesday.

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  83. Re:eh0d stuck his finger in my ear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably the dumbest troll I've ever seen.

    Congratulations on being an unfunny faggot, you unfunny faggot.

  84. Instead of the Following... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Windows users, don't forget to run WindowsUpdate first thing Monday morning."

    I think he meant to say:

    Install Linux first thing Monday morning...

    I say: Why wait? Use the weekend wisely...

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    1. Re:Instead of the Following... by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1
      So it does take a whole weekend to install Linux?

      *runs*

    2. Re:Instead of the Following... by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1


      Well, actually, it only takes half the time to install Linux than it does Windows.

      The rest of the weekend you get to play with the hundreds of applications that Windows DOESN'T give you in a default install...:-)

      (And of course, you'll also need half a day to get your NIC or something working, I suppose...since you didn't bother to check whether your modem was a Winmodem or some other piece of crap produced because Windows is a monopoly...)

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    3. Re:Instead of the Following... by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1
      Don't worry, I was just kidding. Linux installers are often better in many ways and, unlike Windows, at least try to preserve "other" OS installations.

      (Although I must say that those hundreds of applications can't quite compare to the ability to run the applications I need/want)

  85. wtf is a vunerability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, those people at microsoft are surely taking their time with patching the real vulnerabilities... how else could they have the time to fiddle around with these vunerability thingies... now could someone please explain to me what are these "vunerabilities", and what do I have to do about them? Are they a kind of malware?

  86. Meekest of Manners! Come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You said: "Windows users, don't forget to dump Windows first thing Monday morning"

    You're a biased slanderer, plain and simple. You can't have a more friendly audience than here on /.

    Knowing yourself is the first step towards understanding others. So accept the fact that you're an anti-Microsoft zealot.

    1. Re:Meekest of Manners! Come on! by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1

      Who said I wasn't biased against Microsoft? However, what I said was true. And I didn't slander.

  87. Not only reboots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...consider the bandwidth. It's going to lag for ages. It's not the /. effect is the massive MS patch effect.

    1. Re:Not only reboots by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      ... and of course they won't post a .torrent :-)

      BG and SB of MSFT will then tell the DHS, WSJ and FOX: "It was a DDOS by the UNL33T H4X04Z and smelly OS / FOSS / GNU hippies^Hterrorists."

      The only ones who will believe it are Maureen O'Gara, The Yankee Group, and Gartner.

      Everyone else will go back to playing FreeCell.

  88. Linux exploits... by Hymer · · Score: 1

    ...and how many of these have been used for an successfull attack ?
    Noone is saying that bugs dosen't exist in Linux (or any other OS)... we are just saying that they are usually fixed before they are exploited... where M$ often denies a bug's existence until it has been exploited...

  89. Upgrade your KCalc... by Hymer · · Score: 1

    Excuse moi... but my KCalc sez 13/1000=0.013 and 47/1000=0.047
    ...and NO I'm NOT a M$ fanatic...

    1. Re:Upgrade your KCalc... by Hymer · · Score: 1

      SHIT... and I can't use mine... ;-)
      47/8000=0.005875 sorry...

    2. Re:Upgrade your KCalc... by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 1

      oh yes 0.013...whatever, my point is that debian has lot of packages, so it has a lot of sense that it has more vulnerabilities. Same goes for any Linux distro - we ship a complete system, not just a bare os

  90. 9+1+1+1+1 = maybe 10? by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

    Therefore, 13 new Windows security vulnerabilities.

    Nope. I don't have SharePoint, MSOffice or the .Net framework installed, so that makes 10 updates only for me.

  91. Errare Humanum Est... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are caused by a serious keyboard bug... :-)

  92. haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A revelation
    MS has huge gaping holes
    Bill Gates is Goatse

  93. Just let the "you must reboot" dialogs pile up... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

    When I used to do individual windows updates, I would just install them all, and leave the "You must reboot" dialogs sitting behind the other windows, piling up until I'm done... then I'd hit reboot on one of them and the machine would reboot.

    This saved several craploads of time. }:)

    -Z

  94. Hope these updates don't break anything... by antdude · · Score: 1

    It is great to see MS providing updates for various software. Now, my concern is that they will not break anything. :)

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  95. What is the name of the cheese with biggest holes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I think it should be called Windows.

  96. Service Pack 2? by peeon · · Score: 1

    This ought to be interesting if SP2 is affected.

  97. Guest is just another user, only worse by Squegie · · Score: 0

    As guest I can create folders and files well beyond my account folder (admittedly, some folders like C:\Program Files are protected). I can load yahoo and write to the registry, saving my password and having yahoo (or theoretically any other program) start up on login. I can change the background, enable a web style desktop, do lots of things.

    As administrator, I can turn the guest account off, reboot and turn guest account back on. When I log back in, all files and folder created in the guest account (ie, my documents, desktop) are still there. The background changes are still there. Yahoo still automatically logs in as me.
    Ahh you say I need to delete Guest's folder and clean out his registry entries. We're getting into a lot of work though, at least for windows.

    As administrator, I can create a low-level account with no password and if I delete that account, I have the option of deleting their folder by clicking a button. And I know when I delete a regular user, their user specific registry entries get deleted.

    If you really want to lock down windows, learn how to use gpedit.msc, or even further, editing policy files directly and using some batch scripts to lock/unlock the the computer by copying these policy files into the appropriate directory. Even then, you can still get spyware.

    I've tried several times to find a solution to the startup values in the registry. There are some programs I've found that monitor the registry for
    startup changes, but none of them work as advertised. Yahoo messenger is a great example of this. You open it up, it adds itself to your user's registry startup list. You have to log in with a valid user/pass in order to uncheck boxes so it won't startup next time. But the very next time you start yahoo messenger, it still creates those entries. As administrator, you can't access another user's registry entries. They don't appear until you log in as that user. This just a messenger client... malware has much nastier methods. It's like the registry is designed to facilitate malware. If someone has come across a solution to prevent a user/user-level programs from modifying the registry at all, I am all ears.

  98. SUS good, not perfect by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    you'd find MS has a nice toold called SUS server, that will roll them out to your network for you.

    While I agree it is a great tool, it needs a few tweaks to be great... Unfortunately, MS doesn't want this to be too good because SMS still costs a lot of money to buy... This is why it doesn't apply Office patches, (the one exception being the critical update for Office XP users running XP sp2) or even anything besides critical and security patches.

    An install log might be a nice option too... Of course, once it has been up and running through a couple patch cycles you find it to be pretty much a cake-walk... setup would have been simpler with a log I can enable/disable when I needed to, though.
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    1. Re:SUS good, not perfect by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      FYI, Microsoft has WUS server in beta testing. It's going to replace SUS server, and it rolls out patches to Office, etc, as well.

      You can download it and try it if you like. I downloaded it, but haven't had time to try it out yet. So I don't know about the logging in it or anything yet.

  99. Fixes are due on Feb 14 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... when Red Hat is scheduled to release Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4.

  100. Better colours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  101. True. by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Instead you could be rebooting until Easter. Such convenience. (-:

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    1. Re:True. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Since neither I nor any admin I know, nor the admins at thousands of other large institutions had such a problem in November, I'd say they are running some very non-standard configuration and didn't bother to test things before rolling them out. That's just bad administration. The same could happen on a *nix platform if the admins are incompetent. What was your point?

  102. Fair's fair by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Microsoft persist in asserting that MSIE is part of the OS, so I see nothing wrong with counting its vulnerabilities as part of the OS's. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, after all. And their dotNYET implementation is even more tightly bound to the OS than their "I-do-colour-management-on-images-with-no-ICC*" browser.

    For a more realistic comparison, pick one browser, one email client, one database, one MTA, one webserver, one nameserver, one office suite, one media player, one proxy for Linux and compare just those.

    I usually use Konqueror, KMail, PostgreSQL, PostFix, Apache2, BIND, OpenOffice, MPlayer and Squid. In Linux land, the web-server and name-server in particular are not noted for their security, yet I can run both of them chrooted (BIND is set to do this by default), which is not possible with IIS or MS-Proxy.

    Filter your terrible Linux stats through those, and you'll get something like a reasonable comparison of a fully loaded MS machine (server and workstation in one) versus a typical Linux machine (ditto).

    The machine I'm facing saw four vulnerabilities in the time-slice touted by the GPP, two of them remote or remoteable, and that's unusually bad. Harking back to the distribution running on this machine I count 9 vulnerabilities in that package set (plus CUPS and X11, which are kinda-sorta built in to Windoze in a limited way) since last year, an average of one every four days. Most of those 9 are extremely difficult to exploit and several of them are "dupes" in that they're several packages recompiled to close a vulnerability in a common library, so three for four reports might really be one vulnerability. December was also very heavy with 14 fixes; November is more typical and saw 5, of which 3 were one (libXpm) vulnerability and one was a DoS rather than an intrusion.

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  103. Still better than TSG by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    Who recently fixed one remote root vulnerability which was over a year old. Sorry, their security reporting system is so opaque I'm having trouble re-finding the link for you.

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  104. New section, please. by SunFan · · Score: 1


    Microsoft Security Vulnerabilities is prime for its own dedicated section at slashdot. The number of stories certainly warrants it.

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  105. Less updates , use opensource programs instead by tafedood · · Score: 1

    So if Windows users dont use SharePoint Services, Microsoft Office ( open office instead ) , Dont use Windows Media Player ( Use Media Player Classic) , and MSN Messenger ( Use Gaim or Miranda opensource programs instead )

    Then would it really be Critical update ???

    My guess , probly not ...

    Swap to open source today and feel the difference !

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  106. -1, Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IE is not a "major update". Upgrading IE requires a reboot because the way used by the installation program to replace existing binaries if they are in use is MoveFileEx with move on reboot.

  107. Actively? What a crock of SHIT. by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

    How is it that all 13 patches are magically ready on the same day? Are they not withholding them when they could have released the patches earlier, as they were developed?

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  108. So... by HeMax · · Score: 1

    At least they report these things open and loud, and the fixes are soon availabe. It's actually kind a funny that Linux community pay so much attention to Windows vulnerabilities, so people kind a know about them more and are using Windows Update more often :D Why doesnt Linux vulnerabilities get so much attention althought they exists and there are many of, even home users whos pc's get 0wn3d while online? (patching FC2 at the moment.. again.. )

  109. This: just because MS make it _look_ easy... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...doesn't mean it actually is easier.

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  110. Re: It's a trap. by azyuroth · · Score: 1

    Nahh. They're actually going to cut Windows Update access to any known pirated copies of Windows, then in the webcast later they'll tell everyone exactly how to use these exploits. Bastards.

  111. Redundant by panth0r · · Score: 0

    Perhaps by "Monday morning" the writer meant monday morning late at night... blah, no, he's just an idiot.

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